Precisely - I might say that, and so do TiVo's 4.5 million subscribers. You don't. So you don't subscribe. That doesn't mean no one else sees value in the deal. "You" don't equal "Everyone".
That represents about a 1% market penetration (US and UK), which is a dismal flop, and the reason TiVo can't make any money. They people have spoken and they don't like it.
Jeez, easy there, fella.
Every time this comes up, some idiots bring up how the service of TiVo is worth the monthly fee. Which is besides the point. I was trying to avoid them in advance:).
Three years ago, I'd have agreed with you. But TiVo has shown themselves to be so vile and customer-hostile they make microsoft look at the good guys. At this point I'm just hopping TiVo dies quickly so someone else can come along and do what you suggest.
I will never own a TiVo. Yet I would have happily paid the price of a 300 hour TiVo + $300 for a lifetime contract for a device that does exactly what TiVo does but doesn't play stupid games with the contract.
As the other poster already said, it does turn into a paperweight if you don't pay the fees.
The fees are not $10/month like you said, but $13/month subject to go up any time TiVo has a whim.
$13/month is total BS for the service of letting me download TV listings. It's more than having a print TV guide mailed to me every week.
Before you spew some garbage about it being a wonderful service well worth the price, consider this: I pay $5 per to have thousands of gallons of water delivered to me. If the alternative is carrying those thousands of gallons a few miles from the pumping station, I would gladly pay $100. Having the water delivered by pipes is so much more wonderful than carrying it. At the other end, my sewage bill is $15 per month. So I can either carry thousands of gallons of raw sewage out of my house or I can pay the $15 fee. If they charged $300/month it would be a bargain.
TiVo is the same thing. You might say the convenience is worth the $13 monthly fee but all you're getting for the money is some downloaded listings. 99% of the population is smart enough to see the emperor has no clothes, and that's why TiVo is going to die. I just wish they'd die faster so the market would be more open for a real set top DVR.
Even if you're happy paying your addiction money to TiVo, you should still be pissed off that their stupidity in charging it means you're not going to have a TiVo when the company fails. And it will.
What they needed right from the start was having no monthly plan option, just a lifetime contract. Except they don't call it a lifetime contract, they simply build it into the retail cost of the box.
That gets around all the arguements of people feeling they they're renting the box, and it avoids pissed off people with a broken box not being able to move their "lifetime contract" to a new box. They simply buy a new box, pay the fee again, and think of it as just part of the hardware cost.
Of course, they were far too stupid to figure that out. Their move to eliminate the lifetime contract is totally the wrong direction it makes it even more like they're renting the hardware.
Don't toss out those cassettes, keep them in a box somewhere are your "license" to have the song, then download a high quality version from a p2p network.
It's not that complex a piece of code. The hard parts are coming up with an idea and getting people to use it. He copied someone else's idea and so far nobody uses his version.
* monitor health,
* detect and investigate health problems,
* conduct research to enhance prevention,
* develop and advocate sound public health policies,
* implement prevention strategies,
* promote healthy behaviors,
* foster safe and healthful environments,
* provide leadership and training.
They are going to do a conduct research to detect and investigate if this is a health problem. If there is a health problem they will do everthing else listed. This falls well within their mission statement.
Netflix users are suckers (see your own logic above)
How so? I pay $18/month to have a company buy DVDs and mail them to me. I cycle through 15-20 discs/month so it's amazing that that even covers poastage and those red envelopes muchless buying the discs. 15-20 discs at blockbuster type stores would be $45-60 and there's not even postage involved.
You pay $13/month so TiVo won't turn off a piece of hardware you've already paid for, and to download a few hundred kb of free data each month.
I've got a service you might check into. It is a flat fee (no $2 an episode) and just a slight delay after the original air date. No commercials, good quality, don't even need a PC connected to your TV, plus you get free downloads of other programs you might like in the background. Tivo + Cable.
First, if it has those station watermarks in the corner, it's completely unwatchable. It also does have commercials.
Second, your flat rate is about $50/month, or $600 per year. At $2/episode that would be 300 episodes per year. An average show has at most 25 episodes per seasion, so I would have to buy more than 12 shows each year to be ahead. Frankly, there's just not 12 shows worth watching.
Darwin Awards aside, what made people think that evolution stopped with the modern era?
The fact that modern science and medicine help people overcome many genetic problems that would normally be selected against, but now have no impact on natual selection.
(Back before TV listings became available online for free, people used to spend $3/month for TV Guide just so they'd known what was on. Same idea, only more advanced.)
So for $3/month you can have TV Guide print out the weeks listings, and mail it right to your door. On top of that, they pay jouranlists to write articles about the shows to help you decide what you'll like and find out behind the scenes stuff. If you don't care about the articles, you can get the listings magazine for free in your weekly newspaper.
Or you can pay $13/month just to download the listing data. What value compared to mailing a printout.
What bugs me is that they no longer allow you to buy lifetime service for a flat fee. I guess too many people realized that you came out ahead if you owned your TiVo more than 18 months. Though if you were unlucky (as I was) your TiVo died on you before the 18 months was up!
This is one of the stupidest things about TiVo. You pay $300 for "lifetime" service, but that only lasts as long as you own that box. If the box dies or you upgrade it, your $300 is lost. Once again, you'd have to be an idiot to buy into that (no offense).
If I ever had cable TV again, I'd have to have a TiVo. I mean, what's the use of having 200 channels if you can't separate the few shows you want to watch from all the crap? But I'll probably never have cable again -- at current prices, that's really for suckers.
I aggree with you there. What really gets me is the commercials and the way the stations ruin the content with ID logos and using the credits as extra commercial time.
I actually don't have cable now and do all my tv watching on DVDs rented from netflix. It's just annoying to have to wait 6 months to see each season. If something like Apples service ever comes along but has decent quality downloads for $2/episode without commercials and available before or at the same time as the broadcast, I'd be happy.
They'll pay $13/month for a "service" that is just letting them use hardware they already bought. Of course they'll pay $5/month to send SMS on a phone they already pay to send SMS on.
I just enjoy seeing one-sided statements made as though that's the only group who would commit such an act.
I don't understand the question....they are the only group who has commited such an act.
As far as your devil's advocate question that's like saying "would you call PETA inhumane if they sent a group to alaska to bash seals skulls in with clubs?". PETA wouldn't do it, so what does the question mean?
Apple is having a big media event to launch new products tomorrow. It's pretty much a given they'll be releasing the Intel Mini, and there's some strong speculation it will include a DVR and TiVo-killer software.
This is not a valid comparison. There is a huge difference between wathing a movie in a theatre and watching one in a home. Size of screen, number and quality of speakers and a few other things. A better comparison would be the New vs. Used market for Video games ($50 vs. $10).
How is that a valid comparison? Used video games are usually scratched up badly, missing documentation and packaging, and are still a lot more than $10 unless they're titles that flopped badly.
Up until 10 years ago, the movie industry made most of it's income from the box office, so I think my comparison is pretty solid.
I *really* don't think I'm in the minority here. I'm perhaps a bit more patient than some would be with regards to the movies and music, but stuff that's more than 3 years old are still big movers in stores.
Actually, you are in the minority. Look how many people see movies in theatres and pay $25+ for 2 people to get a single viewing. They can wait 3 months and buy the DVD for $15 or rent it for $3 (a savings of 88%). Yet millions of people still go to the theatre for most movies, and 10's of millions go for big hits.
2 or 3 years is a long time for movies. To put the timescale in perspective, in 2003, we had the release of LotR: Return of the King, Seabiscuit, Pirates of the Carribean, and Finding Nemo. To save $3 on a rental, you think people would have waited until later this year to seem the for free? First, life is just too short for that kind of waiting, and second you're 3 years behind the pop culture and current events references; you lose a lot of the enjoyment of the movie. In 2008, when we're rid of Bush, do you really thing the "Shock and Awe" and "If you're not with me you're against me" type quotes from Anakin in Revenge of the Sith will be timely and funny?
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Precisely - I might say that, and so do TiVo's 4.5 million subscribers. You don't. So you don't subscribe. That doesn't mean no one else sees value in the deal. "You" don't equal "Everyone".
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That represents about a 1% market penetration (US and UK), which is a dismal flop, and the reason TiVo can't make any money. They people have spoken and they don't like it.
Jeez, easy there, fella. Every time this comes up, some idiots bring up how the service of TiVo is worth the monthly fee. Which is besides the point. I was trying to avoid them in advance
Three years ago, I'd have agreed with you. But TiVo has shown themselves to be so vile and customer-hostile they make microsoft look at the good guys. At this point I'm just hopping TiVo dies quickly so someone else can come along and do what you suggest.
I will never own a TiVo. Yet I would have happily paid the price of a 300 hour TiVo + $300 for a lifetime contract for a device that does exactly what TiVo does but doesn't play stupid games with the contract.
As the other poster already said, it does turn into a paperweight if you don't pay the fees.
The fees are not $10/month like you said, but $13/month subject to go up any time TiVo has a whim.
$13/month is total BS for the service of letting me download TV listings. It's more than having a print TV guide mailed to me every week.
Before you spew some garbage about it being a wonderful service well worth the price, consider this: I pay $5 per to have thousands of gallons of water delivered to me. If the alternative is carrying those thousands of gallons a few miles from the pumping station, I would gladly pay $100. Having the water delivered by pipes is so much more wonderful than carrying it. At the other end, my sewage bill is $15 per month. So I can either carry thousands of gallons of raw sewage out of my house or I can pay the $15 fee. If they charged $300/month it would be a bargain.
TiVo is the same thing. You might say the convenience is worth the $13 monthly fee but all you're getting for the money is some downloaded listings. 99% of the population is smart enough to see the emperor has no clothes, and that's why TiVo is going to die. I just wish they'd die faster so the market would be more open for a real set top DVR.
Even if you're happy paying your addiction money to TiVo, you should still be pissed off that their stupidity in charging it means you're not going to have a TiVo when the company fails. And it will.
What they needed right from the start was having no monthly plan option, just a lifetime contract. Except they don't call it a lifetime contract, they simply build it into the retail cost of the box.
That gets around all the arguements of people feeling they they're renting the box, and it avoids pissed off people with a broken box not being able to move their "lifetime contract" to a new box. They simply buy a new box, pay the fee again, and think of it as just part of the hardware cost.
Of course, they were far too stupid to figure that out. Their move to eliminate the lifetime contract is totally the wrong direction it makes it even more like they're renting the hardware.
Huh?
The 95% * 1000 = 950 is the amount lost on losing ventures.
The 5% * 1000 * 10 = 500 is the amount won on winning ventures.
From that, the rest of your numbers are garbage.
Don't toss out those cassettes, keep them in a box somewhere are your "license" to have the song, then download a high quality version from a p2p network.
It's not that complex a piece of code. The hard parts are coming up with an idea and getting people to use it. He copied someone else's idea and so far nobody uses his version.
* monitor health, * detect and investigate health problems, * conduct research to enhance prevention, * develop and advocate sound public health policies, * implement prevention strategies, * promote healthy behaviors, * foster safe and healthful environments, * provide leadership and training.
They are going to do a conduct research to detect and investigate if this is a health problem. If there is a health problem they will do everthing else listed. This falls well within their mission statement.
Netflix users are suckers (see your own logic above)
How so? I pay $18/month to have a company buy DVDs and mail them to me. I cycle through 15-20 discs/month so it's amazing that that even covers poastage and those red envelopes muchless buying the discs. 15-20 discs at blockbuster type stores would be $45-60 and there's not even postage involved.
You pay $13/month so TiVo won't turn off a piece of hardware you've already paid for, and to download a few hundred kb of free data each month.
I've got a service you might check into. It is a flat fee (no $2 an episode) and just a slight delay after the original air date. No commercials, good quality, don't even need a PC connected to your TV, plus you get free downloads of other programs you might like in the background. Tivo + Cable.
First, if it has those station watermarks in the corner, it's completely unwatchable. It also does have commercials.
Second, your flat rate is about $50/month, or $600 per year. At $2/episode that would be 300 episodes per year. An average show has at most 25 episodes per seasion, so I would have to buy more than 12 shows each year to be ahead. Frankly, there's just not 12 shows worth watching.
Darwin Awards aside, what made people think that evolution stopped with the modern era?
The fact that modern science and medicine help people overcome many genetic problems that would normally be selected against, but now have no impact on natual selection.
(Back before TV listings became available online for free, people used to spend $3/month for TV Guide just so they'd known what was on. Same idea, only more advanced.) So for $3/month you can have TV Guide print out the weeks listings, and mail it right to your door. On top of that, they pay jouranlists to write articles about the shows to help you decide what you'll like and find out behind the scenes stuff. If you don't care about the articles, you can get the listings magazine for free in your weekly newspaper. Or you can pay $13/month just to download the listing data. What value compared to mailing a printout. What bugs me is that they no longer allow you to buy lifetime service for a flat fee. I guess too many people realized that you came out ahead if you owned your TiVo more than 18 months. Though if you were unlucky (as I was) your TiVo died on you before the 18 months was up! This is one of the stupidest things about TiVo. You pay $300 for "lifetime" service, but that only lasts as long as you own that box. If the box dies or you upgrade it, your $300 is lost. Once again, you'd have to be an idiot to buy into that (no offense). If I ever had cable TV again, I'd have to have a TiVo. I mean, what's the use of having 200 channels if you can't separate the few shows you want to watch from all the crap? But I'll probably never have cable again -- at current prices, that's really for suckers. I aggree with you there. What really gets me is the commercials and the way the stations ruin the content with ID logos and using the credits as extra commercial time. I actually don't have cable now and do all my tv watching on DVDs rented from netflix. It's just annoying to have to wait 6 months to see each season. If something like Apples service ever comes along but has decent quality downloads for $2/episode without commercials and available before or at the same time as the broadcast, I'd be happy.
They'll pay $13/month for a "service" that is just letting them use hardware they already bought. Of course they'll pay $5/month to send SMS on a phone they already pay to send SMS on.
At least get your joke right....attach the magnet to the casket and wrap the headstone in wire.
Hey we found one of those flat earth types...and the issue went way over his head.
Both options sound good. I'm not sure which is better...but I don't really care.
I just enjoy seeing one-sided statements made as though that's the only group who would commit such an act.
I don't understand the question....they are the only group who has commited such an act.
As far as your devil's advocate question that's like saying "would you call PETA inhumane if they sent a group to alaska to bash seals skulls in with clubs?". PETA wouldn't do it, so what does the question mean?
You're right. I'm just really hoping for a mini with DVR features to play with this weekend :)
Apple is having a big media event to launch new products tomorrow. It's pretty much a given they'll be releasing the Intel Mini, and there's some strong speculation it will include a DVR and TiVo-killer software.
Leaving it out makes a difference to everyone in Canada and people outside Canada familiar with some of our universities.
Including it makes no difference to anyone.
Like say "Lakehead, A Canadian University".
Having gone to university in Ontario, it wouldn't surprise me if this were based on a study from Lakehead's engineering department (if they have one).
This is not a valid comparison. There is a huge difference between wathing a movie in a theatre and watching one in a home. Size of screen, number and quality of speakers and a few other things. A better comparison would be the New vs. Used market for Video games ($50 vs. $10).
How is that a valid comparison? Used video games are usually scratched up badly, missing documentation and packaging, and are still a lot more than $10 unless they're titles that flopped badly.
Up until 10 years ago, the movie industry made most of it's income from the box office, so I think my comparison is pretty solid.
First, MS did not put in security holes on purpose (at least it's not been proven).
Second, the Windows -> Xbox market has a lot less overlap than music -> PS3
I *really* don't think I'm in the minority here. I'm perhaps a bit more patient than some would be with regards to the movies and music, but stuff that's more than 3 years old are still big movers in stores.
Actually, you are in the minority. Look how many people see movies in theatres and pay $25+ for 2 people to get a single viewing. They can wait 3 months and buy the DVD for $15 or rent it for $3 (a savings of 88%). Yet millions of people still go to the theatre for most movies, and 10's of millions go for big hits.
2 or 3 years is a long time for movies. To put the timescale in perspective, in 2003, we had the release of LotR: Return of the King, Seabiscuit, Pirates of the Carribean, and Finding Nemo. To save $3 on a rental, you think people would have waited until later this year to seem the for free? First, life is just too short for that kind of waiting, and second you're 3 years behind the pop culture and current events references; you lose a lot of the enjoyment of the movie. In 2008, when we're rid of Bush, do you really thing the "Shock and Awe" and "If you're not with me you're against me" type quotes from Anakin in Revenge of the Sith will be timely and funny?
The target audience for the PS3 is the same people who buy lots of CDs, and were most affected by the rootkit.
Since the rootkit got so much attention, victims will remember it when the PS3 comes out.
That summary wsa painful to read.