While I consider your comment as 'Interesting', if not 'Insightful', I still can't approve of your
This is the story Slashdot should have included to run.
The story is about the release of the most recent OpenBSD, 4.7; its availability, funding, etc. The discussion about its 'lack of security' is surely of a very different nature.
Having read the article mentioned by you (I saw 43 comments,?), I can only agree - and I knew that for long - that OpenBSD has no access control systems on top of the Unix-permissions. If they should be there, and how their lack renders OpenBSD less secure than Linux, is quite another topic. Actually, I was kind of disappointed when reading the article, because it focuses solely on access control to crack OpenBSD. So even the title was badly chosen: the article talks about a perceived 'lack of a security feature' or something to that behalf; not about an 'insecure' OS. And yes, there is a difference, and the article is clear about it: If, and only if, the system is broken into (already), can additional access controls eventually contain damage.
The reason the upper shaft slows down when you spin up the bottom shaft is that you're throwing the power away.
Hmm. Your last sentence makes me think you forgot about one of the laws of thermodynamics: There is no/dev/null for energy. So what do you mean with 'throwing power away'? Where would it go in your opinion?
If you really, really, want to read about why it is a mess, just read the ZFS mailing list (dunno if it is still up at Oracle, but there are plenty of other places where the archives can be found), and you'll read not only our gripes. We could be 'just dumb' (R). Others ran into similar trouble, and (Open)Solaris even confirmed some of those.
If you really are not a troll, let me add this info for you: SUN employees confirmed that ZFS has a tendency to die, and lose data (!!) running off a 'cheap' power supply, that - so confirmed by the same employees - make other file systems work properly. Another 'hot tip' was, to never, ever, run ZFS without RAID if you don't want to *lose* data. Not to talk about 'cheap' controllers. If enough money is in the offing, I will gladly undig all those posts. Otherwise you're on your own. No need to believe me, do as you like. Have fun with ZFS!
Why AC? I second you with your effort (trying fscking hard to fall in love with ZFS). I was hoping for a ground-breaking filesystem for the rest of my lifetime. After some bad crashes and loss of data (well documented in the Internets), we had to declare it a full-blown failure.
Yes. Correct on almost all accounts. It might even be worthwhile, but SUN managed to create an artificial community only. According to my 2 Sen, this also broke its neck: In and out. Free Java, no, don't, free Solaris, yes, no, new license. And the 'community' could decide what they wanted, as SUN employees they had to follow Ponytail's zig-zag course. No, it is not 'fairly similar' to the other Unix-like systems, though. Actually, it is the furthest away from those systems.
You tried your best, but missed the relevant points, sorry to say:
The inverse-square actually depends on the directivity of the whole lot. A point source is fine, a laser isn't. Therefore, the 'proximity' isn't good neither. Roughly, considering your side of the head to be flat and the phone a point on that plane, you get half of the energy into your brain. That's not convincing, to me, because that's easily half a watt of RF that seeps through my brains. If I put my phone 20 feet away (let's stick to scientific units: 6 m), the point source would seep around 1 watt through a surface of a sphere 4*pi*r*r, that is around 100 square meters. With the average head diameter being around 22 cm, the surface of the head through which the energy seeps is around pi*r*r, that is around 0.04 square meter. So you'd get around 1/100*0.04, that is 0.0004 watt of RF radiation. That wouldn't bug me at all. But I wouldn't buy the place nevertheless: Firstly, you don't know the actual RF-wattage as produced. It can be significantly above 1 watt. How about 100 watt? And then, you don't know the directivity of that antenna. If it focuses the energy into your direction, and the main beam has a diameter of 1 m at 6 m of distance, it would blow 4 watt through your brain, and that 24/7. A parabola antenna is very good at concentrating energy. The place is not good at all. Fingers off, it might be totally harmless (see above), and it might be bad for your health (see below). Better safe than sorry!
We also wrote a book, completely in OpenOffice. I can only suggest you go and buy it; and, yes, it has the main chapter title in the left header, and the sub-chapter title in the right header. Automagically; offered by OpenOffice. I hope you can forgive me for not remembering; I did it once, and we've been having it ever since. Ask the very helpful forum, if you don't find it in the help file. And this is the book: http://www.stauffenburg.de/asp/books.asp?id=1112
But if you read the story, he is looking for a commercial grade system for an ISP. Then you have easily 1000 times the throughput of a little Broadcom box. And its limitation of 2 physical interfaces doesn't help neither.
we didn't test for allergies, so we had lots of unexplained deaths in infants. Nowadays, kids are assessed for allergies pretty much on birth, so we can avoid exposing them to allergens rather earlier
"Don't expose them to life", is that what you mean?
I really like your last sentence "As we are born with less and less protective bacteria, it is not unreasonable to investigate whether infant mortality might again start to increase." Maybe infant mortality will not start to increase, though, but our grandkids will have (or need) regular infusions as 'standard procedure' to prevent that from happening? That is, moving away from a healthy and natural balance ever further?
Re:Your argument is over 20 years out of date
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A Requiem For Saab
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I attacked were about how great Saab was back in the Eighties. My point was that it was NEVER great.
[I wonder how this was modded Insightful? - Not by an owner of SAAB, in any case]
Actually, sitting in our Volvo 240 GLE comes only second to sitting in a(n old) SAAB. Front-wheel drive, safety, it was a great car; and greatly missed here. Except of its price, by then. No, not everyone feels great sitting in a bumpy 4WD Jeep (that includes Range Rover at al).
They are the platform that anyone can compete on openly. Their platform is well documented and their formats are widely used. Many vendors compete head to head running from the same operating platform creating an open market that anyone can compete in. Does it matter that Microsoft owns that market and the apps that access the data? Does it matter that the formats of the data are not open? Control the apps and the format and you control the data. If that data is public/government data, does that disturb your sleep at all?
Did you forget to click 'Post Anonymously', or are you expecting mod points of the 'Funny' type? - whoosh -
Does it matter that the formats of the data are not open?
Yes, that actually would matter. If only to historians. Because data that I (or my government) produce, are mine (theirs/ours), and I (they/we) am entitled to retrieve them. As of today we have the problem that data produced in proprietary formats one generation ago cannot be retrieved any longer, because subsequent versions of the product have seen other methods of storage (so-called format); and don't open those earlier files any longer.
They are the platform that anyone can compete on openly.
That's simply wrong, because exactly that platform is not fully documented, and requires the competitors to pay for some of that information, respectively enter a contract. One might call that capitalism, never mind, 'openly' this is not.
... creating an open market that anyone can compete in.
[Someone seems to be taken in by the word 'open'.] How can I compete in the market of word processors, if the format of the files are closed? How would that constitute an 'open market'?
To give you just one example: I'm an IT person (CS, to be precise), and I have used Linux almost exclusively on the desktop for the last 10 years. And so forth. Now, when I click on that shiny icon in the right hand upper corner, and click 'Zoom Out', it scares the hell out of me. I have no slightest clue what to do, it looks like it my machine needed a fresh install, and I barely can get my desktop back. http://i30.tinypic.com/2sbqr05.jpg gives you an example. Aside of the hand-drawn red arrows, it is supposed to look like that and it does. It 'helps' users to define their 'activities'. One way or another, it's totally over my top. 'Usability' must be a word lacking in the German language.
Of course. That's what I have been waiting for since the first rumours crept up around a year ago. My Acer Aspire One running some version of Linux is my everyday companion. Too small a screen and keyboard for long working hours, but phantastic to just jug it in my bag and carry it wherever I go, including doing presentations, conferences, reading mail, while on the go. I understand, if there was some ARM at a similar level of performance, it'd be cheaper, consume less power, and run Linux (e.g. Debian) just as well.
If I'm wrong, correct me. If I'm right, tell me where I can queue up and buy one.
I know RMS is unpopular in/. I know Miguel de Icaza is more popular.
But I also know that I am a fan of Free Software. I'd be too happy Gnome could shed non-free software (like Tomboy notes - based on Mono) instead of priding themselves for functionality. KDE is not much of an alternative, they are hopeless. German engineering, for the sake of engineering, great ideas, but agnostic to the concept of 'user requirements'. I might have to go back to xfce?
May I know if Windows will work out of the box for all 3 cases above?
Being the OP, I will gladly answer this question. Get two genuine, original, Windows of your choice shipped to me, and I will install them on a spare partition each and report back in detail. Then I'll nicely fsck the partition of temporary usage, and dispose of the installation material in an environment-conscious way. That is, probably follow this guy's method: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno
(I was actually pondering if I were to post this, because/.-ers might then say: "See, just a bug, only". While the great grandpa was asking about something else.)
fglrx and nvidia are *not* our fault or our problem. Go bitch at nVidia for a while instead.
I'd expect you wrote 'go bitch at KDE for a while', because the Gnome 'Desktop' is clever enough to tell me that there's another, possibly better, applet for this. While KDE is blind; blind to the nvidia driver, and blind to (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a (--) NVIDIA(0): at PCI:0:18:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA TV Encoder (TV-0) (--) NVIDIA(0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-0) (--) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA TV Encoder (TV-0): 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock (--) NVIDIA(0): TV encoder: NVIDIA Meaning, KDE is pretty blind.
Let's not pretend there was no problem with multiple monitors at times. To me, Linux has been ready for the desktop for 10 years, and I've been using it almost exclusively. So, that's said. Though, using dual monitor out of the box has failed me at the first instance a good number of times. And that's far away from perfect. Because I know how to handle Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf; and I know where to post for help; but Aunty Tilly doesn't.
Example 1: 1600x1200 next to 1024x768, Gnome, year:2009. Failed. Took me a few hours until I found a filed bug, that Xorg would not accept a higher resolution of the virtual desktop than 2048x2048. Placing 1600x1200 above 1024x768 finally worked; based on Gnome's GUI. Still not good.
Example 2: Playing with KDE (4.3.2-4), that same thing doesn't. The desktop configuration applet (Computer Administration->Display) simply doesn't allow to un-mirror the two screens; contrary to the 'Display' applet in Gnome. Another need to resort to Google, and a forum. Solution: I need to issue a number of xrandr commands to split the two displays to show separate content. Not good.
Example 3: Having another box with Nvidia-card with TV out. The same KDE (4.3.2-4) applet simply is not aware of the TV output. It shows one standard display, the LCD monitor. Over. Of course, the Nvidia-applet works fine, doing anything with the TV of my liking. But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia card, and that there is another applet that she needs to use. Not good.
The problem, AFAIK, is not that on Linux one couldn't; but one can't, once too often, not simply out of the box.
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While I consider your comment as 'Interesting', if not 'Insightful', I still can't approve of your
This is the story Slashdot should have included to run.
The story is about the release of the most recent OpenBSD, 4.7; its availability, funding, etc. The discussion about its 'lack of security' is surely of a very different nature.
Having read the article mentioned by you (I saw 43 comments,?), I can only agree - and I knew that for long - that OpenBSD has no access control systems on top of the Unix-permissions. If they should be there, and how their lack renders OpenBSD less secure than Linux, is quite another topic. Actually, I was kind of disappointed when reading the article, because it focuses solely on access control to crack OpenBSD. So even the title was badly chosen: the article talks about a perceived 'lack of a security feature' or something to that behalf; not about an 'insecure' OS. And yes, there is a difference, and the article is clear about it: If, and only if, the system is broken into (already), can additional access controls eventually contain damage.
The reason the upper shaft slows down when you spin up the bottom shaft is that you're throwing the power away.
Hmm. Your last sentence makes me think you forgot about one of the laws of thermodynamics: There is no /dev/null for energy.
So what do you mean with 'throwing power away'? Where would it go in your opinion?
Amen!
If you really, really, want to read about why it is a mess, just read the ZFS mailing list (dunno if it is still up at Oracle, but there are plenty of other places where the archives can be found), and you'll read not only our gripes. We could be 'just dumb' (R). Others ran into similar trouble, and (Open)Solaris even confirmed some of those.
If you really are not a troll, let me add this info for you: SUN employees confirmed that ZFS has a tendency to die, and lose data (!!) running off a 'cheap' power supply, that - so confirmed by the same employees - make other file systems work properly. Another 'hot tip' was, to never, ever, run ZFS without RAID if you don't want to *lose* data. Not to talk about 'cheap' controllers.
If enough money is in the offing, I will gladly undig all those posts. Otherwise you're on your own. No need to believe me, do as you like. Have fun with ZFS!
Why AC? I second you with your effort (trying fscking hard to fall in love with ZFS). I was hoping for a ground-breaking filesystem for the rest of my lifetime. After some bad crashes and loss of data (well documented in the Internets), we had to declare it a full-blown failure.
Yes. Correct on almost all accounts. It might even be worthwhile, but SUN managed to create an artificial community only. According to my 2 Sen, this also broke its neck: In and out. Free Java, no, don't, free Solaris, yes, no, new license. And the 'community' could decide what they wanted, as SUN employees they had to follow Ponytail's zig-zag course.
No, it is not 'fairly similar' to the other Unix-like systems, though. Actually, it is the furthest away from those systems.
You tried your best, but missed the relevant points, sorry to say:
The inverse-square actually depends on the directivity of the whole lot. A point source is fine, a laser isn't.
Therefore, the 'proximity' isn't good neither. Roughly, considering your side of the head to be flat and the phone a point on that plane, you get half of the energy into your brain. That's not convincing, to me, because that's easily half a watt of RF that seeps through my brains. If I put my phone 20 feet away (let's stick to scientific units: 6 m), the point source would seep around 1 watt through a surface of a sphere 4*pi*r*r, that is around 100 square meters. With the average head diameter being around 22 cm, the surface of the head through which the energy seeps is around pi*r*r, that is around 0.04 square meter. So you'd get around 1/100*0.04, that is 0.0004 watt of RF radiation. That wouldn't bug me at all.
But I wouldn't buy the place nevertheless: Firstly, you don't know the actual RF-wattage as produced. It can be significantly above 1 watt. How about 100 watt? And then, you don't know the directivity of that antenna. If it focuses the energy into your direction, and the main beam has a diameter of 1 m at 6 m of distance, it would blow 4 watt through your brain, and that 24/7. A parabola antenna is very good at concentrating energy. The place is not good at all. Fingers off, it might be totally harmless (see above), and it might be bad for your health (see below). Better safe than sorry!
That's my advice!
We also wrote a book, completely in OpenOffice. I can only suggest you go and buy it; and, yes, it has the main chapter title in the left header, and the sub-chapter title in the right header. Automagically; offered by OpenOffice. I hope you can forgive me for not remembering; I did it once, and we've been having it ever since. Ask the very helpful forum, if you don't find it in the help file.
And this is the book:
http://www.stauffenburg.de/asp/books.asp?id=1112
Tomato is great, really.
On 40$-plastic-boxes.
But if you read the story, he is looking for a commercial grade system for an ISP. Then you have easily 1000 times the throughput of a little Broadcom box.
And its limitation of 2 physical interfaces doesn't help neither.
I shudder to think how this will affect the growing colon cleasing industry.
Huh? When I do colon cleansing, there are no antibiotics or stuff involved. How would that affect this industry?
On a side note, can you kill windows with antibiotics?
No need, it usually dies on its own.
we didn't test for allergies, so we had lots of unexplained deaths in infants. Nowadays, kids are assessed for allergies pretty much on birth, so we can avoid exposing them to allergens rather earlier
"Don't expose them to life", is that what you mean?
I seriously need to disappoint you: You missed the point.
May we know your current age?
Would my guess be correct it is beyond 30?
(I fully agree with your argument, in general. I don't like the precise numbers, though. I enjoyed my last 18 years.)
I really like your last sentence "As we are born with less and less protective bacteria, it is not unreasonable to investigate whether infant mortality might again start to increase."
Maybe infant mortality will not start to increase, though, but our grandkids will have (or need) regular infusions as 'standard procedure' to prevent that from happening? That is, moving away from a healthy and natural balance ever further?
I attacked were about how great Saab was back in the Eighties. My point was that it was NEVER great.
[I wonder how this was modded Insightful? - Not by an owner of SAAB, in any case]
Actually, sitting in our Volvo 240 GLE comes only second to sitting in a(n old) SAAB. Front-wheel drive, safety, it was a great car; and greatly missed here. Except of its price, by then. No, not everyone feels great sitting in a bumpy 4WD Jeep (that includes Range Rover at al).
They are the platform that anyone can compete on openly. Their platform is well documented and their formats are widely used. Many vendors compete head to head running from the same operating platform creating an open market that anyone can compete in.
Does it matter that Microsoft owns that market and the apps that access the data? Does it matter that the formats of the data are not open?
Control the apps and the format and you control the data. If that data is public/government data, does that disturb your sleep at all?
Did you forget to click 'Post Anonymously', or are you expecting mod points of the 'Funny' type? - whoosh -
Does it matter that the formats of the data are not open?
Yes, that actually would matter. If only to historians. Because data that I (or my government) produce, are mine (theirs/ours), and I (they/we) am entitled to retrieve them. As of today we have the problem that data produced in proprietary formats one generation ago cannot be retrieved any longer, because subsequent versions of the product have seen other methods of storage (so-called format); and don't open those earlier files any longer.
They are the platform that anyone can compete on openly.
That's simply wrong, because exactly that platform is not fully documented, and requires the competitors to pay for some of that information, respectively enter a contract. One might call that capitalism, never mind, 'openly' this is not.
[Someone seems to be taken in by the word 'open'.] How can I compete in the market of word processors, if the format of the files are closed? How would that constitute an 'open market'?
Yes, a cauchemar is a disturbance of my sleep.
What's wrong with KDE?
To give you just one example:
I'm an IT person (CS, to be precise), and I have used Linux almost exclusively on the desktop for the last 10 years. And so forth.
Now, when I click on that shiny icon in the right hand upper corner, and click 'Zoom Out', it scares the hell out of me. I have no slightest clue what to do, it looks like it my machine needed a fresh install, and I barely can get my desktop back.
http://i30.tinypic.com/2sbqr05.jpg gives you an example. Aside of the hand-drawn red arrows, it is supposed to look like that and it does. It 'helps' users to define their 'activities'. One way or another, it's totally over my top. 'Usability' must be a word lacking in the German language.
Of course. That's what I have been waiting for since the first rumours crept up around a year ago.
My Acer Aspire One running some version of Linux is my everyday companion. Too small a screen and keyboard for long working hours, but phantastic to just jug it in my bag and carry it wherever I go, including doing presentations, conferences, reading mail, while on the go.
I understand, if there was some ARM at a similar level of performance, it'd be cheaper, consume less power, and run Linux (e.g. Debian) just as well.
If I'm wrong, correct me.
If I'm right, tell me where I can queue up and buy one.
I know RMS is unpopular in /.
I know Miguel de Icaza is more popular.
But I also know that I am a fan of Free Software. I'd be too happy Gnome could shed non-free software (like Tomboy notes - based on Mono) instead of priding themselves for functionality. KDE is not much of an alternative, they are hopeless. German engineering, for the sake of engineering, great ideas, but agnostic to the concept of 'user requirements'.
I might have to go back to xfce?
http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/download/?product=thunderbird-3.0&os=linux&lang=en-US
is a beauty. Then clicking Linux or - cough-cough - Windows, results in
Hmmm, we're having trouble finding that one.
No cigar. More of a brown bag.
He didn't explicitly say he was using the same hardware for each example
So true. Though, I did explicitly say 'on another box'. So, explicitly, I did say ... . Hmm.
May I know if Windows will work out of the box for all 3 cases above?
Being the OP, I will gladly answer this question. Get two genuine, original, Windows of your choice shipped to me, and I will install them on a spare partition each and report back in detail. Then I'll nicely fsck the partition of temporary usage, and dispose of the installation material in an environment-conscious way. That is, probably follow this guy's method: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno
You had an i915, or maybe an r200. Lots of turn-of-the-millennium chipsets couldn't deal with total framebuffers larger than 2048x2048
Just for completeness: 965, and an upstream driver bug of the genuine and generic intel driver:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/universe-bugs/2009-May/094108.html
(I was actually pondering if I were to post this, because /.-ers might then say: "See, just a bug, only". While the great grandpa was asking about something else.)
fglrx and nvidia are *not* our fault or our problem. Go bitch at nVidia for a while instead.
I'd expect you wrote 'go bitch at KDE for a while', because the Gnome 'Desktop' is clever enough to tell me that there's another, possibly better, applet for this. While KDE is blind; blind to the nvidia driver, and blind to
(--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a
(--) NVIDIA(0): at PCI:0:18:0:
(--) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA TV Encoder (TV-0)
(--) NVIDIA(0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-0)
(--) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA TV Encoder (TV-0): 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
(--) NVIDIA(0): TV encoder: NVIDIA
Meaning, KDE is pretty blind.
Let's not pretend there was no problem with multiple monitors at times.
To me, Linux has been ready for the desktop for 10 years, and I've been using it almost exclusively. So, that's said.
Though, using dual monitor out of the box has failed me at the first instance a good number of times. And that's far away from perfect. Because I know how to handle Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf; and I know where to post for help; but Aunty Tilly doesn't.
Example 1: 1600x1200 next to 1024x768, Gnome, year:2009. Failed. Took me a few hours until I found a filed bug, that Xorg would not accept a higher resolution of the virtual desktop than 2048x2048. Placing 1600x1200 above 1024x768 finally worked; based on Gnome's GUI. Still not good.
Example 2: Playing with KDE (4.3.2-4), that same thing doesn't. The desktop configuration applet (Computer Administration->Display) simply doesn't allow to un-mirror the two screens; contrary to the 'Display' applet in Gnome. Another need to resort to Google, and a forum. Solution: I need to issue a number of xrandr commands to split the two displays to show separate content. Not good.
Example 3: Having another box with Nvidia-card with TV out. The same KDE (4.3.2-4) applet simply is not aware of the TV output. It shows one standard display, the LCD monitor. Over. Of course, the Nvidia-applet works fine, doing anything with the TV of my liking. But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia card, and that there is another applet that she needs to use. Not good.
The problem, AFAIK, is not that on Linux one couldn't; but one can't, once too often, not simply out of the box.