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Mozilla Thunderbird 3 Released
supersloshy writes Today Mozilla released Thunderbird 3.
Many new features are available, including Tabs and enhanced search features, a message archive for emails you don't want to delete but still want to keep, Firefox 3's improved Add-ons Manager, Personas support, and many other improvements. Download here."
a message archive for emails you don't want to delete but still want to keep
Well that was cleverly written :)
But tabbed email sounds interesting. It makes text editors, web browsers and many other apps so much better and makes so much sense for email application that I'm thinking why didn't Thunderbird have it before.
One thing I would surely like to see in email clients however - the gmail like threaded conversation view. It's just so much better and nicer to use, but still many email applications tend to have the plain-list-of-messages view.
Too bad I switched to Postbox.
... slashdot story summaries i don't want to delete but still want to keep
I know it had a feature to integrate itself with search in Windows 7, but it was pretty broken in the beta. I hope it's fixed now.
because hell just froze over. First we get Chrome for Linux, then Thunderbird 3. What next, Duke Nukem Forever?
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
I've been using Thunderbird 3 in beta for the last few months on an ubuntu system. TB 3 doesn't look dramatically different than TB 2, but the performance difference is *enormous*. TB 2 would crash frequently, it would periodically use all resources while it did heaven knows what, and Gmail IMAP was a disaster.
TB 3 is responsive, hardly ever crashes (perhaps twice in 3 months), search is *way* improved, and it finally feels like first-rate software. My hat is off to the Thunderbird team.
"hardly ever crashes (perhaps twice in 3 months), search is *way* improved, and it finally feels like first-rate software."
You've got some low standards. I don't use software that crashes. If I do, it's only because nothing else is available to do what I need to do, but I certainly wouldn't call it "first-rate software".
I don't respond to AC's.
I just installed it on Fedora Core 12 and I'm having some serious problems. I don't know if these are Thunderbird problems or Fedora problems, but maybe you guys can help.
I'm connecting to my college's IMAP account. I currently use Evolution and it works mostly fine.
When I first installed it, it crashed half way through the process of configuring it. So I removed the ~/.mozilla-thunderbird directory it created and tried again. It worked the second time.
Now that I've been using it for a few minutes, it keeps frightening me. It gets my messages from the IMAP server and lets me view some of them, but as soon as I send a message, it says that my inbox has 0 messages in it! The first time I was scared shitless so I checked using Evolution and all my messages were still there. So I opened up Thunderbird again and it saw the messages too. But after I sent another email using Thunderbird, it said there were no messages in my inbox! So I checked again with Evolution and they're all there.
Frankly, I don't know what to think at this point. I'm not going to be using it any longer. I'm thinking it might just be Fedora Core 12. I've had a lot of other problems with it, and earlier today was thinking about going to back Ubuntu.
Does this version get rid of or offer a way to disable the message that says: "The current command did not succeed. The mail server responded: The requested message could not be converted to RFC-822 compatible formate.." Thunderbird 2.0 seems like a bad choice for accessing Exchange (via IMAP) - is 3.0 any better?
Every single time I see this discussion, someone pipes up to say "but thunderbird DOES do threads!".
That it does. And that has absolutely no bearing on the discussion at hand.
Conversation view as provided by gmail gives you a single page for each entire conversation AND it inserts your replies online as appropriate.
There's several other features that make conversation view work so well, but you'll have to actually try gmail to understand what we are talking about.
I just ran the upgrade, and the bad news is that TB 3 asked for my long-forgotten passwords when checking for mail. You know, the ones that TB 2 so helpfully remembered years ago when I first installed it.
It would have been nice to get some warning before running the upgrade. Fortunately, I use webmail for one account, so I knew its password, and guessed lucky on another.
The new version looks shiny, but who'll care if they can't get their fricking mail?
*holds gun to head*
Persona!
Why does the download link say "Thunderbird 2"?
One of the early releases I downloaded had the amusing "feature" of downloading every message in the background - not just headers, full messages, with attachments. According to the bug report, this was intentional, so that your folders would be accessible without being connected to the network, but it never seemed to know where to stop. It was *constantly* and repeatedly downloading messages, and ate 40 some-odd gigs before I noticed it and went back to 2.
--riney
still isn't included, and none of the add-ons that enable it are updated yet. I knew updating this soon was a bad idea.
Anyone check if it supports address cards yet?
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
a message archive for emails you don’t want to delete but still want to keep
To be more specific, the message archive is for emails that you want to get rid of, but don't exactly want to delete. Like if you're in a mailing list and want to clean out your inbox, but you don't want to delete all of (or at least some of) your messages in that mailing list. It's basically just another way of organizing things. Sorry if I didn't make any sense before :\.
"Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded." -Archbishop Fulton Sheen
Ok, does anyone know how to turn off the tabs bar, or at least hide it when there is only one tab, like firefox does?
99% of the time I read my mail in the reading pane instead of popping open a new window, so the tabs bar is just sitting there with only one tab showing.
Plus pressing the write button opens a new window instead of a tab anyway...
Come as you are, do what you must, be who you will.
Now I can't get to my calendar anymore. Thanks for synchronizing an update with the Lightning extension
Morphing Software
I have been a Thunderbird user for as long as it's been around (and before it was "Thunderbird"), and I thought I would be one forever. Even once I started using Gmail for my personal email, I thought I'd need Thunderbird for my work stuff. But, you know, the university started offering hosted Gmail, and I decided to try it... and, months later, I don't miss T-bird at all.
Thing is, I was one of the hold-outs. While quite a few staff and faculty here are still on desktop email, almost all of our students have preferred web mail for quite a few years now - even when the only web-based option was that gosh-awful "Webpine" (Hey! Here's a great idea! Let's use our awful, counter-intuitive, ugly Pine command line program as a design template for a new web-based email client!). So I wonder for how much longer any desktop email programs will even be considered relevant.
#DeleteChrome
That seems quite an important extension - any idea when (or if) it will be supported by TB3?
To me, it seems like an error of judgement to mainstream release a new version when key addons have not been satisfactorily updated. For the likes of Lightening, it isn't just eye-candy... and, for many, I suspect, breaking existing (addon) functionality will be unacceptable.
That said, I'm looking forward to 'conversation' view - and I've craved an improved address book for years... though what I saw when I last took a peek at the Beta wasn't much better than in TB2.
You might have encountered some shitty bug. It did keep my passwords, the only things it did (well, it said it was doing, at least) was synchronizing the whole Gmail IMAP folder over again and indexing all folders (I don't know if indexing was done in TB2?).
The first thing I want from a new version of Thunderbird is fixing the data loss bugs, because right now I'm on the point of moving to another e-mail client.
(For the uninitiated, Thunderbird can literally nuke your e-mails without trace under some circumstances, such as if you move it from one folder to another. This is not just the old problems with the silly approach to indexing and "compacting", this is an actual, irretrievable, without-warning, 100% data loss. That's just not acceptable in this kind of software.)
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
No, there isn't, not without manually moving everything back.
In addition, Mozilla will likely cease support for the 3.0 branch in the very near future, which includes fixing security vulnerabilities.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
It consolidates all the messages from different accounts' inbox folders into one common inbox folder.
What I don't get is, if I wanted to receive all my messages in a single inbox, I would have used only one email address. This feature sounds totally useless to me.
The last time I looked into thunderbird 3 all the mail was no going to be stored in an mbox format and wouldn't be stored in anything close to plain text. That's a deal breaker for me. I love the ability to grep a folder or even the entire inbox. The search in thunderbird has always been lacking but no matter how much the search is improved in thunderbird 3 it can't be good enough to replace the speed and power of what can be done on the command line.
If that's still the case and I had to switch to anything I'd go back to using to fetchmail
...because the UI for Thunderbird is THE. WORST.
For example, want to copy the people who have been cc'd on a message so you can paste it into a new one? BZZZZT. Can't do it.
Only in the open source world would it be normal to have to do about 3-4 steps to add "cc" or "bcc" to an email, instead of one tab or click.
Please help metamoderate.
The new features sound good, but does it have some way of synchronising address books/settings etc. over multiple computers? Something like Xmarks for firefox/Operas built in bookmark synchronisation. It's one thing all the mail clients I've used are missing. Seems silly I'd have to resort to a horrible web based email system to get this feature...
i used thunderbird for several years, really tried, but never liked it like outlook, then when i had to get a job, the deficiencys were to much.
in particular, the inability to easily control the format of mgs drove me nuts; i'm sure there is some complex command line driven descended setting somewhere, but who has the time ?
and a host of other problems - it was never clear to me how to backup msgs, the search function sucked bigtime (you could teach a course on bad gui with the thunderbird search feature) crappy calendar and contact support....
of course my new laptop with vista is fubared and my old outlook 2000 won't load, but even the builtin vista windows mail program is better then thunderbird
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become one
Have they done something about the 4GB mailbox limit? Are they still living in the FAT32 world or whats the deal with that anyways?
What about automatically moving attachments out of the bloated mbox file and into their own directory? I know they have extensions to do this manually, but tedious tasks such as these are what computers are good at, it should be automatic, especially if they limit the size of a mailbox to something archaic like 4gb.
As much as I would like to use Thunderbird, these two things are pretty much deal breakers for me.
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Dear Mozilla, let me know when you've added the functionality of my add-ons (Lightning, Minimize-to-Tray, Remember Mismatched Domains, Contacts Sidebar, Mail Redirect and Import/Export Tools) to your base program and I'll think about upgrading . . .
Why are none of the mozilla programs ever packaged for download?
Did you try setting mail.check_all_imap_folders_for_new to true?
For as long as I can remember I've read on people's blogs (Tinymail's initial implementor's blog, for example) that GMail's IMAP has always been poor and that this is the fault of the implementor (Google), not the client. Van Hoof recommends Dovecot and Cyrus for IMAP service instead, but to be sure, people are probably more attracted to Google's gratis service and large mail quota even if it means allowing Google to index all of your mail.
Digital Citizen
From another poster in this discussion, it sounds like Gmail's conversation view is not threaded. One can mail a response with a different subject header and that email is still in the same thread (because threads are tracked by ordered lists of message-IDs, not the subject header). From what it sounds like, Gmail, sorts emails into "conversations" by subjects and date/timestamps.
So asking for Gmail-style conversations means giving up something quite valuable Thunderbird has provided for a long time (possibly for as long as it has been available), which can scale up to handling discussions with more than 2 participants, and handle participants who edit the subject header reflect what they're talking about.
Digital Citizen
Just installed it. The account creator tool is a real pain in the ass. There's no simple option to just create a regular IMAP account. The menus kept resetting on me. They needa work out the bugs and let people skip those auto-wizards more easily.
MABASPLOOM!
If you are running XP you might be able to pull it off using system restore, but there isn't any way of doing a fall back through Firefox, no. Are you on dialup? As I have found FF 3.5 sucks on slower connections and has to be seriously tweaked to regain its former speed, it uses too many connections for slower connections with low bandwidth on the newer version.
Here is the tweaks I use for my customers on slower connections. I hope this helps!
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
I'm more worried about the messages I want to keep but that it decides to blindly delete anyway when a folder goes over 2GB in size. Did they fix that bug yet? IMO any product that knows it has that serious a bug - for years - and does nothing is not trustworthy enough to use.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
3.6 is due out soon. Switch to that. It has some nice technology updates that will make it render pages nicer. Hopefully it'd also fix whatever is unhappy about 3.5.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
You still use dial-up? Almost nobody does anymore. All my websites show something less than 1% use dial-up. Any reason why other than to inflict suffering on yourself?
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
I just tried it out under OS X and my verdict is mixed.
Good: Thunderbird 3 allows you to scroll widgets even when it doesn't have focus. This was something that always annoyed me with TB2. Also, TB3 says it has Spotlight integration although it seems that Spotlight hasn't yet deemed my mail boxes index-worthy. Maybe it only works for new mails.
Bad: Thunderbird 3 covers the entire screen when it starts up. There doesn't seem to be a way to get it to stop doing that.
Worth noting: If you use the "TB Change From and Fcc on Compose Extension" it won't work anymore as it's not rated for TB3 (and unmaintained). However, if you install the Nightly Tester Tools and override the compatibility check it will work just fine. I tested it (version 0.1.7) and it worked just like it did before.
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Lightning isn't ready yet, it's 1.0 release is lagging behind TB 3.0. You can use the current nightly builds and they should work with Thunderbird 3. They're marked as Lightning 1.0B1pre. You can grab a nightly here:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/download.html#nightly
They said they're basically at 1.0 Beta 1 Release Candidate status and hope to have the official 1.0 Beta 1 release out within a couple weeks, at least according to the Mozilla Calendar blog. Details are in the Mozilla Calendar Blog (currently offline):
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/
We're going to stick with recommending Thunderbird 2.0 for a little bit on PortableApps.com because Lightning isn't ready, and it is (arguably) the most important Thunderbird extension. And recommending nightlies to regular users is a bad idea.
Portable versions of Firefox, GIMP, LibreOffice, etc
http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/download/?product=thunderbird-3.0&os=linux&lang=en-US
is a beauty. Then clicking Linux or - cough-cough - Windows, results in
Hmmm, we're having trouble finding that one.
No cigar. More of a brown bag.
There are times I wish Gmail had never implemented conversation view. The presentation of email threads in a flat chronological progression encourages users to reply the last message in the thread regardless of which message(s) they are actually responding to.
Because of this, it's not uncommon to see threads with replies four or more levels deep when most of the participants are using Gmail. The traditional use of a tree view to track the flow of conversations becomes useless in such cases. Add in Gmail's (unalterable) behavior of placing quotes at the end of replies and you have the recipe for a very frustrating experience when participating in long discussions.
(Note for those backwards people who still use POP: IMAP users normally download their message bodies on the fly.)
Sigh. Been using the beta for a couple of weeks, so I'm familiar with this download-everything behavior. This is not actually a new feature. What's changed is that it's enabled by default. Which is, I agree, pretty dumb.
Here's why they did this. This version has vastly improved searching (far and away, my favorite new feature) which doesn't work unless you have a local copy of the mailbox for indexing.
(I find this a godsend. In the past, I've turned on the local copy feature and then used Google desktop search. The problem here is that the user interface for GD sucks. Also, on one of my machines, I can't get GD to even look at the local mailbox file — no idea why.)
The way Firefox 3 does searching is Ultimately Kewl. (Won't try to describe it, go give it a try.) Naturally, they were proud of this feature and wanted everybody to try it. But just enabling such a potential bandwidth raper was dumb. Somebody should have designed a wizard or something so you could select the mailbox folders you wanted to index.
The internet is not 100% redundant. If something does not work for you, try again in a few minutes.
There's still no outbox it seems. While it's not an essential feature, it would certainly be nice to have the message disappear and take care of the sending process while you move on to other tasks.
So, are they ever going to add combine-and-decode support? Maybe even support for other encoding formats?
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I am a PC repairman that covers a two county area. While I myself enjoy 2Mbs Cable (with no neighbors on cable,Yay me!) sadly new lines haven't been run by the cable/teleco duopoly since the mid 80s, so anyone even slightly out of town gets told "dial up or fuck off". So I have to know such tricks to help out my buttraped customers.
Considering that the telecos are gouging to the tune of $130 a month! (yeah, no shit, that's what they charge here for dial up) and have shut out WISPs and other attempts to service the area (and thus cut off their $130 a month dial up gravy train) frankly I don't see how we will EVER get nationwide broadband without nationalizing the last mile and opening it to competition. They have a duopoly and will viciously shut out ANY competition that dares to try to gain an inch on their turf. I had a friend a few years back that tried to service one of these areas by paying $15k for a T-1 run and renting out connections and when they teleco saw their $130 a month customers start to drop off they jacked up his price to over $4k A MONTH and told him "don't like it? Try to sue us!" and was told by every lawyer he could find that the minimum for a drawn out fight with a teleco was 1 million+ and 10 years of his life. Needless to say he abandoned the T-1 and walked away.
So please don't buy the "everyone can get broadband if they want it" bullshit. I can tell your from experience that there are still many areas that are being told "dial up or fuck off" and are being gouged truly insane amounts of money by the telecos. I myself tried to offer the local cableco $15k to run a line the whole 2 1/2 blocks to my mother, which would have also covered another 8 homes, 25 if they would have ran the whole half mile length of the road. Their answer? $75k UP FRONT, plus a FIVE YEAR no questions asked maximum package with NO price limits to what they could charge, or GTFO. Needless to say in the 29 years my mother's house has stood they have yet to move the whole 2 1/2 BLOCKS to where she is, so for her it is "dial up or fuck off". So yeah, for my customers and my mother it sucks, but it is a choice of that or abandoning their homes. Some choice, huh?
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
http://www.smartcomputing.com/techsupport/detail.aspx?guid=&ErrorID=29874
Will help.
The problem is that TB3 has Master Password clicked on by default. The bug is that if you didn't have a master password set (just keeps your pop passwords), then your stuffed.
Back up your emails, uninstall TB3, reinstall TB2, assign a master password, reinstall TB3.
TB3 has issues with mailtweak http://mailtweak.mozdev.org/tweaks.html#personal - at least for me. I can't email merge with it now and had to roll back to TB2
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
> Considering that the telecos are gouging to the tune of $130 a month!
So why are you still repairing computers instead of running a dial-up ISP charging, say, $30 per month?
Well, I love tbird, but this release has some big issues for me. They've sacrificed too much message viewing space with tab bar and enlarged header display. These things should be configurable (I need to check advanced config properties). But ok, I could live with that. The grouped inboxes are nice.
But....
They have broken the new mail indicator on folders. WHY??? WHYYYYYYYYYY????? Argh!!!! The best feature of tbird is gone. How could they commit this crime? I might have to go back to 2. This is just shocking to me. It was so awesome to just scan the folders down the side, even when just peaking out from behind another window, and see those red stars on the folders with new mail. Now they're gone. For no reason. They're still on the messages, but not the folders. Who makes these decisions? Seriously? Who in their right mind would decide to throw out this feature??? Meanwhile, they've gone crazy copying Gmail features, and they leave out the main feature they have that Gmail doesn't have. Incredible.
Fix it. Please. Put the stars back. ASAP. Or I'm switching to Gmail client. Thanks in advance.
Thunderbird 3 still has the search bar but results appear in a new tab. This tab does not show results as a list but in a fancy HTML based summary view. That's great if you were searching for a particular message but utterly useless for bulk operations. What if I want to drag and drop a few files around, or delete them or flag them as junk? Even as a summary view it is stupid since it only shows 10 results at a time with a More button at the bottom. FFS, stop mimicking an AJAX web application - the results are RIGHT THERE on the disk and you can certainly show more than 10 results at a time.
The workaround is to create a saved search but that's even more hassle for something that could be achieved in seconds in v2.0. So much for progress. I suggest if Thunderbird 3.1 turns up, they put an option or two in to control this behaviour and remember what the user has chosen. There is even a "save search as virtual folder" option in the quick search menu suggesting someone was thinking of doing something like this, it just appears to be inexplicably greyed out.
Thunderbird 3 has potential but it really feels like a regression in several important respects. It also inexplicably lacks things I would have expected to be improved. For example, you still can't select an email, and right mouse and create a filter from it. This is something that Outlook has had for donkey's years.
Wow, I've always been a huge Thunderbird fan but my gosh, does Thunderbird 3.0 feel like a beta product. There's dialogs whose buttons won't fit. In the account settings dialog there's several submenu items that contain combo boxes that don't fit inside the dialog. Also, the buttons for replying and forwarding are moved to a really awkward position, not to mention the fact that the reply button has an expand feature that only shows a "reply" option while the reply all button shows both "reply" and "reply all". What's the use of that? Why would I expand the reply all button to click reply when there's also a reply button? The fancy search feature doesn't seem to turn up any results here either. I want the fancy bar graphs too :-(
I know, I know. It's open source so "go fix it yourself". In response to that, a simple "no" should suffice. These are all flaws that are of such a level that they shouldn't be let through by the Mozilla foundation. Besides, I have zero C++ experience, so I'm pretty sure they wouldn't like it if I went stampeding through their code and end up breaking everything.
Because to run an ISP you need access to the backbone, which is how the local teleco rules the market with an iron fist. As I say we have had guys try to run a T-1, even one bunch try to set up a WISP, but ultimately you have to plug into the teleco backbone somewhere and when their $130 a month gravy train starts to dry up you'll suddenly find your access costing 5 figures and be told "Don't like it? Just try to sue us!". We've had no less than 4 dial up providers try the same shit, and the ones that weren't crushed were simply bought out and shut down.
So yeah, nice thought and all, but it would be like saying "I think I'll go into competition with Comcast!". The simple facts are they have enough money and lawyers to crush you like a bug. Some free market, huh?
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
It has been how many years now and Thunderbird STILL doesn't have a redirect command? WTF? I had an add-on that I used with Thunderbird 2 for this purpose but it's not compatible with version 3. Guess I'm going back to version 2.
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
The nightly Lightning/GData extensions do not work with TBird 3.0, only the TBird betas.
They finally fixed word wrap! In TB 2, saved message drafts were stuck with carriage returns at the end of each line.
What has been working for me (no guarantees about the future!) is to use this exact path (for win32):
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/win32-xpi/
Note the "latest-comm-1.9.1". If I use nightly/win32-xpi/ instead --- that's what seem like it *should* work --- the extension doesn't work. Go figure. All of this may change, I am not sure what the differences are in the different locations.
I know that this works because I just installed the release version of 3.0 and Lightning on my wife's laptop.
I am disappointed that the Lightning folks have made it so hard to find an extension that works with 3.0. This seems *very* important.
Does it have the option to show the date and time when the message was received, and sort messages accodring to that and *not* the "sent" timestamp?
it was never clear to me how to backup msgs
MozBackup is the best way. Or switch to an IMAP server where the server admins are backing up the mailbox files nightly. Or backup your Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Thunderbird folder (on WinXP).
As for controlling HTML vs plain text... TB3 is slightly better then TB2, but still gets confused. For my primary account, I compose in HTML. However, if the message contains no special formatting, TB will always send the message as plain text. Which has a few problems of its own.
You can also somewhat force the issue by going to the Options, Format when composing the email. Unless you forgot and started the message in an account where you told TB to compose in plain text. At that point, you're screwed and can't toggle the compose window into HTML mode.
Basically, that issue boils down to a structural design issue inside the compose window. The code is written in such a way that you can't switch modes - at least not until they rewrite the entire compose window code. (Rumored for TB v4.)
Then there's also the ability to tell TB on a contact-by-contact basis that a particular recipient only wants plain text.
Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
My parents live in the boonies. They can get 768k DSL but it costs as much as 15 meg cable does here and is constantly down. I think the American public should demand our money back from the telcos that were supposed to get broadband to everyone.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
It was the first thing I noticed too, and it irked me
Change the search type (click on the little magnifying glass) to "message body filter". You get the old functionality back.
...wherein when you set up a new IMAP account it purges all the messages you had marked-as-deleted without asking you. Or in this case does it when migrating settings from version 2, again without asking you.
I actually had a developer try to argue this wasn't a bug. Are you fucking serious, guys? Permanently deleting 10,000+ messages with no confirmation is a FEATURE?
I also like how it had to re-download all my folders for no good reason.
Pretty close to re-installing 2.x at this point.
Either they did fix it or migrating settings skips over it. It was Smart Folders (which I swear I disabled on the setup tab) making it appear as if it had happened.
Edit -> Preferences -> Privacy -> Show Passwords and get the passwords, then doing the upgrade also works.
(Now very thankful that I always do this when upgrading T-Bird.)
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Outlook, sucks. Thunderbird isn't a lot better.
I have to use outlook in a corporate environment and for large volumes of emails (tens plus per day), it's basically useless. Hours per day can be spent on the busy work of manipulating, searching and filtering.
Computers are there to do repetitive tasks and mail classification is exactly that. We are even able to automatically classify mail as spam or not, these days so automatically classifying, sorting, tagging and prioritising emails isn't new. Yet where are the mail clients which do so?
All that seems to happen is that the mail clients change GUI widgets, storage engines, gui widgets, storage engines etc etc... They are no cleverer today than PINE was 20 years ago.
So, we're back to procmail, bogofilter and a couple of custom scripts to autotag and prioritise emails.
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What about all the national dial-up providers like NetZero (first name that came to mind, I know they charge money now)? How does your phone company stop people from using them?
Because you'll find that the "service" from someone like Netzero suddenly drops in quality from a shitty 14-28k on the local "FU" ISP to a completely useless 4-8k on something like netzero, at least around here. They also gouge you more if you don't join for one of their "bundles" so that by the time they are done tacking on fees it'll cost you damned near as much for basic phone + Netzero as it did for phone + dial up.
Sadly the local teleco/cableco duopoly has such a stranglehold they can pretty much screw you raw and you just have to take it. They have raised basic cable+phone+Internet to over $150+ bucks a month, and no ala carte option, because they know your choice is that or the falling apart DSL lines where you are looking at a max 512k if you are lucky. Most of my customers on DSL are looking at 256k for $50 a month, and by the time they figure in the phone charges you are looking at $110.
So sadly I fear that without the government seizing the last mile things will only get worse. The prices keep climbing, the service gets nothing but shittier, and with prices that high the poor can't afford any service at all. Considering we already paid 200 Billion, yes with a B, and got nothing but the finger in return, I say we should give them 90 days to either give us what we paid for, give us back the money WITH interest, or we seize the last mile. If they want a monopoly they will get x number of years for every person they bring fiber to the neighborhood to that isn't being served, and x+y for everyone they give fiber to the door to that isn't already served.
Because otherwise we are going to have way too many places like my local area, where they have gotten together and cherry picked all the choice neighborhoods and everyone else can pay $130 for dial up or suck it. Considering how much the Internet can help the poor by giving them access to information and free classes this is frankly highway robbery the way they are screwing so many. Of course expecting our greedy congress critters to do anything more than line their pockets is like pissing in the wind, so we will just fall farther and farther behind thanks to our "free market" ideals.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Oh man, awesome. Thanks!
There is no way to know the file size of attachments for incoming or outgoing mails in TB 3
For that single reason I reinstalled TB 2 and added the add-on for this - it only works in ver. 2
IMO It's the craziest and most stupid omission I've seen in 20 years of computing.