So to put all the bullshit aside, and look at the basic facts: Cellphone radiation heats the outer centimeter of the head/brain a tiny teeny bit, because of it being so weak. Which of course, as with any excitation, can in rare events cause a molecular bond to break, or something like that. But normally, this is no different than natural radiation. Right? Our body is obviously built to stand natural radiation. So...
Another question would be: If it’s not stronger than natural radiation, then how do you get the signal back? There has to be a relevant signal-to-noise ratio, no?
(I’d love to have actual numbers on that. E.g. a formula describing the depth of penetration into the head related to the stength and frequency of the wave and the type of tissue. Anyone?)
That is the first good point I see on this whole shitstorm of extremist locked-down points of views on either side, I see here. Sad, sad... so many people here who think they are right and scientific, while just having knee-jerk reactions without any thought or open mind. Again: On either “side”. That’s the saddest thing. That they think the point is to take “sides”...
We’re not talking about the if. We’re talking about the when. And I, for one, would like the when of me being unable to do certain things (including getting hot young women), to be as late as possible.
Physics FAIL! Have you EVER heard of the wave-particle duality. Or that mass equals energy? Particle, energy... it’s the same thing! That’s why it’s also called the photon particle!
Were you raised at the tree nursery or what? Every child knows that!
Make the frequency and energy high enough, and it wrecks whatever it comes in contact with. That’s the difference between bad and good. (And in-between there is a huge gradient of “only corrupting things a little bit, which will show in some decades”)
You sound like you missed the last 100 years of science or so... Light excites an electron (of an atom) to a higher state, for it to work! Yeah right. So according to you, everything that uses that effect is literally impossible. Including solar cells!!
You should be ashamed for your extremist hatred of unscientific idiots blinding you so much, that you have become exactly like them. Ignoring everything that does not fit your detached sense of reality. The only difference between you an them? You act as if your arguments had a relation to science. You’re an insult to science.
Uuum, you’re not only using doublethink, but you’re also making stataments without anything to back it up. Even if one agrees with you, that is not acceptable.
The thing is: If it can protect from Alzheimers, this proves that it does something to the brain. Because Alzheimers protection is a subset of “doing something”. Or it does not protect, and there is nothing happening in the brain. You can’t have both, as long as you stay attached to reality.
So if it does something after all, then it actually crazy unlikely, that it would just happen that it only protects from Alzheimers, and has no other effects whatsoever. That would be a silly unscientific assumption.
So since we haven’t studied it yet, we do not know all actual effect. Which is why a long-term study (whole mouse life) on living mice, with different types of radiation, them all being (nearly) clones, and with control groups, does make sense. Then we would have to check for all differences. Which is where it becomes hard. Because as soon as the mouse is dead, a big share of important factors vanish. (Electrochemical state decay.) And most importantly, as anyone who even remotely understands the scientific method, knows, you can not prove that there is no effect, Because you can not read in the whole state of the matter like in a “teleporter buffer”, and therefore can not ever measure everything. (And even that would change things.) So you can only disprove a certain set. Which can be big, but never will be complete. You could check for cancer, of course. And other diseases.
Now if you happen to have such a, properly done, study, disproving something, I’d like to see it. Until then, I do not make any stupid assumptions on either side. Because, frankly, if you put yourself on one “side” without having a fuckin’ clue, it does not matter what side you are on, because you are exactly like the other side that you hate so much. Only primitive people even think about it in terms of “sides”.
And what’s all the heat and fuss about? Smells just like religious fundamentalism. Just sit, wait, drink tee, and we will see. Live your life. There’s no point in freaking out about shit that you can’t do anything about and don’t know anything about.:)
I thought there was no effect on the human body... Wouldn’t this here be proof that it does have an effect after all? And wouldn’t that mean that the loonies who demanded no cell phone towers in their area, were right too? But would they still sue the companies for it, or would the companies demand money for protecting them from Alzheimers? ^^ I guess it depends on the extremely unlikely effect, that Alzheimers protection is the only effect it has...
Aaahh, it’s all so confusing... And I can’t even put on my tinfoil hat, because it’s an amplifying antenna... *waaahhh* *head explodes*.
I even think of putting a show on for them! So that THEY don’t want to see me. Now this is the first time I regret, not being Goatse. ^^ But I think of at least making it look like a huge buttplug. ^^ And one of those elephant trunk underwear things. Perhaps some huge fake nipple rings (close to exploding with delight) with a chain in-between them, and a throbbing fake cock hanging on them. And just to fuck with them, I might simulate cumming when being patted down in the hip region.;)
Yes, around people I don’t know and don’t like I have no shame, as long as it’s hilarious to me to see their faces in disgust.:D
The real point of the legal definition of CP should be: Something that hurts children, and therefore must be prevented. But of course, right now, the real point is: Something that a politician thinks, the most extreme conservative groups might objet to, and therefore cost him votes, or will be picked up by the media, and so in the end costs him power. They don’t fuckin’ care about children getting hurt. All they care about are their own asses. The whole idea of just forbidding to talk/see/hear anything about CP, instead of preventing the actual action that hurts children, is just sick. Because it protects CP. If accidentally stumbling upon a CP site and then call the cops to put them in jail, means that you will be put in jail, then CP is safer than it ever was! And that is what ever people who got themselves raped as children say.
Besides: About full nudity of children: I remember that when I was a child, we were at nude beaches in France, where parents and their small children run around completely naked. So what? They are children. If you see them, that caring instinct instantly kicks in. And if not, then still what’s so special about nudity?? I just don’t get it. It’s the freakin default. Being clothed is the weird thing. You’re not a perv when you let them run around naked. That’s just natural. But, you’re a perv, if your thoughts when you see them, circles around sex. Also here in Germany, it’s nothing special to let small children run around naked at swimming pools (especially open air ones) in the summer. I think: How weird is it, that we aren’t naked too. We did it for centuries. Millenia. Hundrets of ’em. Until that sick disgusting religious mind-twisting came around.
Oh, and how did one guy say: And you can put everyone in prison who has a penis. Because he has the necessary tools to commit rape.
In fact just put the road construction office and companies into jail, because murder, rape and many other bad things happened on the streets.
Or just put everyone into jail, because he has a brain... which means he has the tool to think about a crime, which means he can commit it, which means he will commit it. No?;)
Actually, the most recent stuff suggests, that all of the DNA is used. “Junk” or not. Isn’t the new name now “Mitochondrial DNA”?
But the most interesting thing about DNA is in my eyes, that it’s compressed. Yes, as in ZIP compressed. (Of course with its own algorithm.) Every part can be read in at least four ways.
Which is, why we have less total genes than some very primitive lifeforms. We’re just so cool, we use compression for understatement.;)
The theory that most of the DNA is junk, is long outdated and dumped. All of DNA is used. Just not in the same way. Some uses are not even understood yet. But it’s proven that the parts are used.
I have written many lengthy comments about it. When they did still use APIs that were so old, that after being deprecated for a long time, they were taken completely out of the kernel. Rendering the drivers useless.
The same thing now happened with Xorg 1.7.
And how long ago did neither compositing, nor xrandr work? One or two months?
Hell, video still does not work. (Oh, it renders it. But unless you want to see huge black and white blots of over and underexposure at the same time, while having huge blocking in that tiny color space in-between, you can not call it “working”.) Also, acceleration is NIL.
And let’s not forget that I can reproducibly crash the driver, by compiling the kernel or a big program in a terminal. Or swich a monitor off when in console mode. Basically everything where that crutch called “atieventsd” does not receive an event.
And don’t even dare to ask about proper OpenGL 3.0 + GLSL support.
And for the Linux driver being a the piece of shit that the Windows driver is, with a emergency layer wrapped around by a one-man team (seriously: ATi Linux driver development is one poor guy), that’s still impressive!
I will never again buy an ATi card, unless they open-source EVERYTHING! No exceptions. And then I wait a year on top of that, for the Xorg team to catch up.
You can say what you want about nVidia’s binary blob. But when I could not use my brand-new HD 4850 at all, a year ago, I was very happy that the onboard nVidia chip “just worked”. No hassle. emerge nvidia-drivers, and DONE.
Let’s calculate this: So taking you $defaultCPU, whatever that is, a botnet of hundrets of thousands of systems, with (for simplicity let’s say) 1 core, you could crack a 768-bit RSA in... roughly guessed......a third of a day. (hundrets of years * 365 / hundrets of thousands of sytems)
I need a botnet! ^^ By the way: It is possible to infect a botnet by infecting the botnet client itself? Should be doable, right? Or do those clients have some extreme self-protection form being compromised? (After all, the programmer should be an expert in this area.;)
Great. Even more colorful touchables. And the back-end still is a p.o.s. I mean women still bleed for no freakin’ reason, there are still diseases, disasters, wars. And the physics algorithms still lack basic supersymetries, like repelling gravity. Hell, he doesn’t even have the memory leaks fixed, as there are tons of black holes where stuff just gets lost.
Apropos hell: If this does not get fixed, I’m planning to move to hell. I heard, that since last November, it’s much more comfortable down there. I also heard that there is flight planned in some years, with the Event Horizon. At least Satan has his shit together, and a straight policy. You don’t see him flip-flopping about the weather!
Now how exactly is this a troll?? Or were you just disagreeing, and lacked arguments because you were wrong. So you could not answer, but instead just moderated me down by any means? Well, that does make only you look like jerks, moderators.
This is a fact. Come with me, let’s meet a doctor. Let’s test this out. I bet you $100 this is how it”s working. You being in denial and repressing it (also trough moderation) does not change that. Even doctors themselves complain about other doctors acting like that. While doing it themselves.
Man, some moderators are intolerant stupid close-minded asses...
That is exactly where open source shines: Clone just the date/time/calendar part of the (GNU) standard library, and patch it so it works with your needs. Then either offer this back to GNU, and continue to clone every release. Or just use updates of the library, to carefully apply applicable patches to your fork of that part.
You avoid rolling your own custom solution (with all the huge traps inside date/time calculations), and you avoid having to depend on someone else (since you forked it, and can choose to ignore the original and its updates).
only to discover that it had the longest migratory journey of any insect in the world."
...known to man! It’s like a doctor stating “there is no cure” (Implying “and there never will be. Ever.”) When what he should have said, is “I personally have never heard of a cure. But maybe it’s just because I would never think about learning something new, because I think I already know everything. After all, I’m god!”
(This no critique of anything or anyone other, than that part of the quote, and the person who wrote it.)
Have you talked with some of those heating installation companies? Or companies who build heating systems? I’m pretty sure that if you can make them believe this will make them money, that they will love it. And you’re right: The carbon credits argument is a great selling point. Also the fact that you are effectively throwing away money by letting shit (literally) flow out of your house.:) Draw them a picture with a pipe that goes out of their house, which is full of money and carbon credits (colored golden to show the value).
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So to put all the bullshit aside, and look at the basic facts:
Cellphone radiation heats the outer centimeter of the head/brain a tiny teeny bit, because of it being so weak. Which of course, as with any excitation, can in rare events cause a molecular bond to break, or something like that. But normally, this is no different than natural radiation. Right?
Our body is obviously built to stand natural radiation. So...
Another question would be: If it’s not stronger than natural radiation, then how do you get the signal back? There has to be a relevant signal-to-noise ratio, no?
(I’d love to have actual numbers on that. E.g. a formula describing the depth of penetration into the head related to the stength and frequency of the wave and the type of tissue. Anyone?)
That is the first good point I see on this whole shitstorm of extremist locked-down points of views on either side, I see here. Sad, sad... so many people here who think they are right and scientific, while just having knee-jerk reactions without any thought or open mind.
Again: On either “side”. That’s the saddest thing. That they think the point is to take “sides”...
We’re not talking about the if. We’re talking about the when.
And I, for one, would like the when of me being unable to do certain things (including getting hot young women), to be as late as possible.
Physics FAIL!
Have you EVER heard of the wave-particle duality. Or that mass equals energy?
Particle, energy... it’s the same thing!
That’s why it’s also called the photon particle!
Were you raised at the tree nursery or what? Every child knows that!
Make the frequency and energy high enough, and it wrecks whatever it comes in contact with. That’s the difference between bad and good. (And in-between there is a huge gradient of “only corrupting things a little bit, which will show in some decades”)
You sound like you missed the last 100 years of science or so...
Light excites an electron (of an atom) to a higher state, for it to work!
Yeah right. So according to you, everything that uses that effect is literally impossible. Including solar cells!!
You should be ashamed for your extremist hatred of unscientific idiots blinding you so much, that you have become exactly like them. Ignoring everything that does not fit your detached sense of reality. The only difference between you an them? You act as if your arguments had a relation to science.
You’re an insult to science.
Uuum, you’re not only using doublethink, but you’re also making stataments without anything to back it up. Even if one agrees with you, that is not acceptable.
The thing is: If it can protect from Alzheimers, this proves that it does something to the brain. Because Alzheimers protection is a subset of “doing something”.
Or it does not protect, and there is nothing happening in the brain.
You can’t have both, as long as you stay attached to reality.
So if it does something after all, then it actually crazy unlikely, that it would just happen that it only protects from Alzheimers, and has no other effects whatsoever. That would be a silly unscientific assumption.
So since we haven’t studied it yet, we do not know all actual effect. Which is why a long-term study (whole mouse life) on living mice, with different types of radiation, them all being (nearly) clones, and with control groups, does make sense. Then we would have to check for all differences. Which is where it becomes hard. Because as soon as the mouse is dead, a big share of important factors vanish. (Electrochemical state decay.)
And most importantly, as anyone who even remotely understands the scientific method, knows, you can not prove that there is no effect, Because you can not read in the whole state of the matter like in a “teleporter buffer”, and therefore can not ever measure everything. (And even that would change things.) So you can only disprove a certain set. Which can be big, but never will be complete.
You could check for cancer, of course. And other diseases.
Now if you happen to have such a, properly done, study, disproving something, I’d like to see it.
Until then, I do not make any stupid assumptions on either side. Because, frankly, if you put yourself on one “side” without having a fuckin’ clue, it does not matter what side you are on, because you are exactly like the other side that you hate so much. Only primitive people even think about it in terms of “sides”.
And what’s all the heat and fuss about? Smells just like religious fundamentalism. :)
Just sit, wait, drink tee, and we will see. Live your life. There’s no point in freaking out about shit that you can’t do anything about and don’t know anything about.
I thought there was no effect on the human body...
Wouldn’t this here be proof that it does have an effect after all?
And wouldn’t that mean that the loonies who demanded no cell phone towers in their area, were right too?
But would they still sue the companies for it, or would the companies demand money for protecting them from Alzheimers? ^^
I guess it depends on the extremely unlikely effect, that Alzheimers protection is the only effect it has...
Aaahh, it’s all so confusing...
And I can’t even put on my tinfoil hat, because it’s an amplifying antenna... *waaahhh* *head explodes*.
*Imagines Goatse and his club going trough airport security all at once*
I even think of putting a show on for them! So that THEY don’t want to see me. ;)
Now this is the first time I regret, not being Goatse. ^^
But I think of at least making it look like a huge buttplug. ^^
And one of those elephant trunk underwear things.
Perhaps some huge fake nipple rings (close to exploding with delight) with a chain in-between them, and a throbbing fake cock hanging on them.
And just to fuck with them, I might simulate cumming when being patted down in the hip region.
Yes, around people I don’t know and don’t like I have no shame, as long as it’s hilarious to me to see their faces in disgust. :D
Which is absolutely not the point.
The real point of the legal definition of CP should be: Something that hurts children, and therefore must be prevented.
But of course, right now, the real point is: Something that a politician thinks, the most extreme conservative groups might objet to, and therefore cost him votes, or will be picked up by the media, and so in the end costs him power.
They don’t fuckin’ care about children getting hurt. All they care about are their own asses. The whole idea of just forbidding to talk/see/hear anything about CP, instead of preventing the actual action that hurts children, is just sick. Because it protects CP. If accidentally stumbling upon a CP site and then call the cops to put them in jail, means that you will be put in jail, then CP is safer than it ever was!
And that is what ever people who got themselves raped as children say.
Besides: About full nudity of children:
I remember that when I was a child, we were at nude beaches in France, where parents and their small children run around completely naked. So what? They are children. If you see them, that caring instinct instantly kicks in. And if not, then still what’s so special about nudity?? I just don’t get it. It’s the freakin default. Being clothed is the weird thing.
You’re not a perv when you let them run around naked. That’s just natural.
But, you’re a perv, if your thoughts when you see them, circles around sex.
Also here in Germany, it’s nothing special to let small children run around naked at swimming pools (especially open air ones) in the summer. I think: How weird is it, that we aren’t naked too.
We did it for centuries. Millenia. Hundrets of ’em. Until that sick disgusting religious mind-twisting came around.
Oh, and how did one guy say: And you can put everyone in prison who has a penis. Because he has the necessary tools to commit rape.
In fact just put the road construction office and companies into jail, because murder, rape and many other bad things happened on the streets.
Or just put everyone into jail, because he has a brain... which means he has the tool to think about a crime, which means he can commit it, which means he will commit it. No? ;)
Actually, the most recent stuff suggests, that all of the DNA is used. “Junk” or not. Isn’t the new name now “Mitochondrial DNA”?
But the most interesting thing about DNA is in my eyes, that it’s compressed. Yes, as in ZIP compressed. (Of course with its own algorithm.) Every part can be read in at least four ways.
Which is, why we have less total genes than some very primitive lifeforms. We’re just so cool, we use compression for understatement. ;)
Obligatory xkcd link.
The theory that most of the DNA is junk, is long outdated and dumped. All of DNA is used. Just not in the same way. Some uses are not even understood yet. But it’s proven that the parts are used.
So: Yes, it is in use.
Well, perhaps it’b BECAUSE THEY STILL ARE!
I have written many lengthy comments about it. When they did still use APIs that were so old, that after being deprecated for a long time, they were taken completely out of the kernel. Rendering the drivers useless.
The same thing now happened with Xorg 1.7.
And how long ago did neither compositing, nor xrandr work? One or two months?
Hell, video still does not work. (Oh, it renders it. But unless you want to see huge black and white blots of over and underexposure at the same time, while having huge blocking in that tiny color space in-between, you can not call it “working”.)
Also, acceleration is NIL.
And let’s not forget that I can reproducibly crash the driver, by compiling the kernel or a big program in a terminal. Or swich a monitor off when in console mode. Basically everything where that crutch called “atieventsd” does not receive an event.
And don’t even dare to ask about proper OpenGL 3.0 + GLSL support.
And for the Linux driver being a the piece of shit that the Windows driver is, with a emergency layer wrapped around by a one-man team (seriously: ATi Linux driver development is one poor guy), that’s still impressive!
I will never again buy an ATi card, unless they open-source EVERYTHING! No exceptions. And then I wait a year on top of that, for the Xorg team to catch up.
You can say what you want about nVidia’s binary blob. But when I could not use my brand-new HD 4850 at all, a year ago, I was very happy that the onboard nVidia chip “just worked”. No hassle. emerge nvidia-drivers, and DONE.
Like say, a botnet.
Let’s calculate this: ...a third of a day. (hundrets of years * 365 / hundrets of thousands of sytems)
So taking you $defaultCPU, whatever that is, a botnet of hundrets of thousands of systems, with (for simplicity let’s say) 1 core, you could crack a 768-bit RSA in... roughly guessed...
I need a botnet! ^^ ;)
By the way: It is possible to infect a botnet by infecting the botnet client itself? Should be doable, right?
Or do those clients have some extreme self-protection form being compromised? (After all, the programmer should be an expert in this area.
Or an old Mechwarrior (e.g. 2 Mercenaries).
Well, if I ever see a box of it in my home, you can be sure it gets some damage from this little buddy here:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/37/114315512_a8c8669676.jpg?v=0
Great. Even more colorful touchables. And the back-end still is a p.o.s. I mean women still bleed for no freakin’ reason, there are still diseases, disasters, wars. And the physics algorithms still lack basic supersymetries, like repelling gravity. Hell, he doesn’t even have the memory leaks fixed, as there are tons of black holes where stuff just gets lost.
Apropos hell: If this does not get fixed, I’m planning to move to hell. I heard, that since last November, it’s much more comfortable down there.
I also heard that there is flight planned in some years, with the Event Horizon.
At least Satan has his shit together, and a straight policy. You don’t see him flip-flopping about the weather!
Did anyone else notice, how the lenses seem too close to each other?
Looks like everything recorded by that thing will look like a dog’s perspective (eye-distance-wise).
YOU’RE WINNER! ;)
Now how exactly is this a troll?? Or were you just disagreeing, and lacked arguments because you were wrong. So you could not answer, but instead just moderated me down by any means? Well, that does make only you look like jerks, moderators.
Hey, you disagreeing does NOT make this a troll.
This is a fact. Come with me, let’s meet a doctor. Let’s test this out. I bet you $100 this is how it”s working.
You being in denial and repressing it (also trough moderation) does not change that.
Even doctors themselves complain about other doctors acting like that. While doing it themselves.
Man, some moderators are intolerant stupid close-minded asses...
That is exactly where open source shines: Clone just the date/time/calendar part of the (GNU) standard library, and patch it so it works with your needs. Then either offer this back to GNU, and continue to clone every release. Or just use updates of the library, to carefully apply applicable patches to your fork of that part.
You avoid rolling your own custom solution (with all the huge traps inside date/time calculations), and you avoid having to depend on someone else (since you forked it, and can choose to ignore the original and its updates).
Sounds like a great deal to me. :)
only to discover that it had the longest migratory journey of any insect in the world."
...known to man! It’s like a doctor stating “there is no cure” (Implying “and there never will be. Ever.”) When what he should have said, is “I personally have never heard of a cure. But maybe it’s just because I would never think about learning something new, because I think I already know everything. After all, I’m god!”
(This no critique of anything or anyone other, than that part of the quote, and the person who wrote it.)
Let me guess. They are doing it in the south. But in the north. ^^
Have you talked with some of those heating installation companies? Or companies who build heating systems? I’m pretty sure that if you can make them believe this will make them money, that they will love it. And you’re right: The carbon credits argument is a great selling point. Also the fact that you are effectively throwing away money by letting shit (literally) flow out of your house. :)
Draw them a picture with a pipe that goes out of their house, which is full of money and carbon credits (colored golden to show the value).