The problem that you describe would be, that stating that a human should do something, and then expecting him to always do it, is a giant fallacy. And a very stupid one to expect, if you ever saw a real human. ^^
The rule is: If someone can do something wrong or the bad way, someone will. No exceptions. And that's why those guidelines just useless dreams with no relation to physical reality.
Done right, you would have to set up a system where nothing is possible, except for the things you absolutely need, to achieve what it meant to be possible. But who has the brains to actually do that?
Seconded. But I thing everyone needs to be forgiven sometime. It's just that for MS, this would be 10-20 years without further crimes in that time. Something I doubt will happen, but wish it would.
The biggest joke is, that by playing fair, and supporting open source, they would actually profit! Directly and indirectly. It's similar to having such a tight grip around something, that it comes out left and right, and you will be left with nothing. Something we already see happening with Firefox and Linux.
Why would you pick a side? Too much TV lately? They always pick sides when in fact, it rarely makes sense.
In reality, Stallman and De Icaza are two point in a multidimensional space of views, and you can choose any place between them, outside them, wherever you like.
Stallman is very reliably pretty close to a border of that space. And De Icaza is moving closer to the other border of that dimension. But he's constantly moving, because he's only planning his movements in the short term.
So which one would you rather pick as a reference point? (A reference point can also be something you're far away from.) And which one would you pick as a source of new discoveries? (That you don't have to like or go to.)
Pretty clear this way, huh?:) You can use both of them (and in fact everyone and everything) as a information source for the world, to then choose your own position. If you know how make the best out of it.
Now, floating in that space, with your reference points, sources of information, and all that, just picking a person and following it sounds pretty primitive, doesn't it?:)
just would out of principle never do a deal with Microsoft. And I'll explain why:
The whole openness debate is a straw man. The thing is not openness. It's that giant elephant in the room that nobody speaks about. Because it has to do with having emotions. They are the reason that I think anyone who can just work with MS as if nothing happened, either forgot what they did, or just simply has no soul. We that we watched the whole life of Microsoft... The whole state of the industry is damaged and partially stalled because of them. All because they wanted to make loads of money with other people's ideas, and buying or simply extinguishing them when they complained. All the good things they destroyed and progress they blocked. (Example: For web development IE was practically the dark ages. I did AJAX-like webapps in 1999. Look at when Web 2.0 started. It's when Firefox got strong enough to push even IE out of its sleep.)
We've got burned. Simple as that. So we would turn down even the "best" offer. No matter what its "openness" would be. Because we have principles, and a spine to hold them up. Stallman, being a bit of an extremist, of course goes to the outer extreme of this view. But he's not there to have the average view. He's there to show us the boundary of where it would be too much. And I respect him for doing that.
Microsoft's actions are unforgivable for at least one or two decades (IF they don't do anything stupid in that time). In that time, you won't see people like us accept Microsoft. Ever. And you will wonder what all the hate and fuss is about. Because you missed or forgot these actions.
(Although asking me what those actions were is a good thing, I won't repeat them, as there are thousands of sources out there to read about them.:)
...the love child of Worf* and Barf arguing with Gordon Moore in a court room? ___ * Warning: Strong heart required. Not advised for people without eye bleach at hand.
This Noone must be a real good agent then. If he's on weed, is he then called "High Noone"? And is he in any way related to the German singer "Heinoone"? Or rather to "Nooneien Soong"?
It's my old PC. It also is my firewall, IDS, trojan horse honeypot*, VPN, file and p2p server, printer and Samba server, development stage and database machine. (Don't worry, I am aware of the risks of putting that all on the same machine, and have nicely separated them in SElinux-protected VMs, etc. It's just a bit slow. ^^)
___ * Infecting your system while you're thinking you're infecting mine.
Speak for yourself. I have two (also old) 21" Eizo FlexScans (I think they are from 2000) which can do 2048*1536. So I have a total of 4096*1536. Do you know what I payed? 200€!
Now those CRTs did cost 2500€ (converted price, ignored loss of value for simplicity) when they were new. For that price I would get twenty-five displays. With a total resolution of 10240*7680 !!
That is a bit more than those 1200px, isn't it?:)
Of course if you want those fancy TFTs, with their annoying problem to be able to see the single pixels, the bad color space for anything below the most expensive ones, and their inability to display more than one resolution... while still costing a arm and a leg for resolutions of 10240*7680... then you have to pay the price. ^^
Uum, why would it be their only source of energy? I know that there are even titan and uranium breathers in the deep sea, living from volcanic heat and needing neither water nor sunlight.
And it's already happening. Also, a "economic crisis" is a good way, to weed out people. "Health" systems designed for death and disease also work fine. But you're right: Combine them with "war" and you got a quicker solution.
Especially since it's easy to hide behind the stress that by laws of nature will come upon a population that has less and less resources per person. Naturally population growth will slow down and stall at the point of balance. Until there is a way to optimize things more, or someone finds new resources.
I don't care so much about the price. The reason those pre-assembled boxes are so cheap, is because there is only cheap crap in them. Half of it is what you have to replace because it's so weak (eg the graphics card) and the other half consists of pieces which you already had, and now own twice for no reason. Which essentially makes them a very expensive choice.
I specifically loathe the mainboard chipsets of those things. With fun things like the sound card stuttering when you write something to disk, because the main bus is too weak (typical nForce problem) or the network card just not working at all (also typical nForce problem). Etc, etc, etc.
I want and buy quality components. And strangely, my computers are not outdated and useless after the two years that it takes for such a cheap thing to get there. My condensators do not melt. My disks do not die after some months. I have no strange drives being unable to read things.
Because before buying, I inform myself about what hardware has which problems (they all have problems, just some have smaller ones). I could not even imagine buying such a complete case. Hell, how am I to modify it, when I lose the freakin' guarantee when I open the box?? How do I add my tons hardware? And who offers big towers anymore, that fit all the devices I use (I *need* five 5 1/4 bays *and* a couple of 3 1/2 ones. But more are better.)
Maybe it's because I actually *use* my computer at home. A very rare case nowadays.
Um... because for us real humans, money is not our only (pointless) reason of existence.
Actually, there was at least one big survey, that showed, that people actually prefer doing what they want, to having more money.
I chose more than once in my life, not to get more money, so I can do what I want. And I'm very happy with that decision. As long as I have food, shelter, friends, and can do what I want, what do I need all the rest for? The only reason money exists at all, is to get to those goals. It is no reason in itself, never was, and never will be. If you can get there with less money, so be it.:)
Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old Slashdotters. There is a pestilence upon this site, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design non-stories are under considerable economic stress in this period in history.
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The problem that you describe would be, that stating that a human should do something, and then expecting him to always do it, is a giant fallacy. And a very stupid one to expect, if you ever saw a real human. ^^
The rule is: If someone can do something wrong or the bad way, someone will. No exceptions.
And that's why those guidelines just useless dreams with no relation to physical reality.
Done right, you would have to set up a system where nothing is possible, except for the things you absolutely need, to achieve what it meant to be possible.
But who has the brains to actually do that?
Seconded. But I thing everyone needs to be forgiven sometime. It's just that for MS, this would be 10-20 years without further crimes in that time. Something I doubt will happen, but wish it would.
The biggest joke is, that by playing fair, and supporting open source, they would actually profit! Directly and indirectly. It's similar to having such a tight grip around something, that it comes out left and right, and you will be left with nothing. Something we already see happening with Firefox and Linux.
Why would you pick a side? Too much TV lately? They always pick sides when in fact, it rarely makes sense.
In reality, Stallman and De Icaza are two point in a multidimensional space of views, and you can choose any place between them, outside them, wherever you like.
Stallman is very reliably pretty close to a border of that space.
And De Icaza is moving closer to the other border of that dimension. But he's constantly moving, because he's only planning his movements in the short term.
So which one would you rather pick as a reference point? (A reference point can also be something you're far away from.)
And which one would you pick as a source of new discoveries? (That you don't have to like or go to.)
Pretty clear this way, huh? :)
You can use both of them (and in fact everyone and everything) as a information source for the world, to then choose your own position. If you know how make the best out of it.
Now, floating in that space, with your reference points, sources of information, and all that, just picking a person and following it sounds pretty primitive, doesn't it? :)
Note the lack of the term "free software" in your Miguel line. ^^
just would out of principle never do a deal with Microsoft. And I'll explain why:
The whole openness debate is a straw man. The thing is not openness. It's that giant elephant in the room that nobody speaks about. Because it has to do with having emotions.
They are the reason that I think anyone who can just work with MS as if nothing happened, either forgot what they did, or just simply has no soul.
We that we watched the whole life of Microsoft... The whole state of the industry is damaged and partially stalled because of them. All because they wanted to make loads of money with other people's ideas, and buying or simply extinguishing them when they complained. All the good things they destroyed and progress they blocked. (Example: For web development IE was practically the dark ages. I did AJAX-like webapps in 1999. Look at when Web 2.0 started. It's when Firefox got strong enough to push even IE out of its sleep.)
We've got burned. Simple as that.
So we would turn down even the "best" offer. No matter what its "openness" would be. Because we have principles, and a spine to hold them up.
Stallman, being a bit of an extremist, of course goes to the outer extreme of this view. But he's not there to have the average view. He's there to show us the boundary of where it would be too much. And I respect him for doing that.
Microsoft's actions are unforgivable for at least one or two decades (IF they don't do anything stupid in that time).
In that time, you won't see people like us accept Microsoft. Ever. And you will wonder what all the hate and fuss is about. Because you missed or forgot these actions.
(Although asking me what those actions were is a good thing, I won't repeat them, as there are thousands of sources out there to read about them. :)
...the love child of Worf* and Barf arguing with Gordon Moore in a court room?
___
* Warning: Strong heart required. Not advised for people without eye bleach at hand.
This Noone must be a real good agent then. If he's on weed, is he then called "High Noone"? And is he in any way related to the German singer "Heinoone"? Or rather to "Nooneien Soong"?
Let me guess: It went something like this (pseudo-code):
while (!stdin.eof) buf = stdin.read();
print("CITIZENBENDOVER");
It's called "bio bricks", and it's old news.
I read about before 2006.
It's my old PC. It also is my firewall, IDS, trojan horse honeypot*, VPN, file and p2p server, printer and Samba server, development stage and database machine. (Don't worry, I am aware of the risks of putting that all on the same machine, and have nicely separated them in SElinux-protected VMs, etc. It's just a bit slow. ^^)
___
* Infecting your system while you're thinking you're infecting mine.
Speak for yourself. I have two (also old) 21" Eizo FlexScans (I think they are from 2000) which can do 2048*1536. So I have a total of 4096*1536. Do you know what I payed? 200€!
Now those CRTs did cost 2500€ (converted price, ignored loss of value for simplicity) when they were new. For that price I would get twenty-five displays. With a total resolution of 10240*7680 !!
That is a bit more than those 1200px, isn't it? :)
Of course if you want those fancy TFTs, with their annoying problem to be able to see the single pixels, the bad color space for anything below the most expensive ones, and their inability to display more than one resolution... while still costing a arm and a leg for resolutions of 10240*7680... then you have to pay the price. ^^
Fine kerning doesn't matter, if there's only Arial and Comic Sans MS to look at.
No Fantasy
They are already dumbed down enough. No need to add to that.
That's no asteroid! It's a space ship! It will just act like a asteroid when it approaches the giant garbage planet in the Andromeda galaxy.
Uum, why would it be their only source of energy? I know that there are even titan and uranium breathers in the deep sea, living from volcanic heat and needing neither water nor sunlight.
The funny thing is: You will also start to act like a child again. :D
And it's already happening. Also, a "economic crisis" is a good way, to weed out people. "Health" systems designed for death and disease also work fine. But you're right: Combine them with "war" and you got a quicker solution.
Especially since it's easy to hide behind the stress that by laws of nature will come upon a population that has less and less resources per person. Naturally population growth will slow down and stall at the point of balance. Until there is a way to optimize things more, or someone finds new resources.
I don't care so much about the price. The reason those pre-assembled boxes are so cheap, is because there is only cheap crap in them. Half of it is what you have to replace because it's so weak (eg the graphics card) and the other half consists of pieces which you already had, and now own twice for no reason. Which essentially makes them a very expensive choice.
I specifically loathe the mainboard chipsets of those things. With fun things like the sound card stuttering when you write something to disk, because the main bus is too weak (typical nForce problem) or the network card just not working at all (also typical nForce problem). Etc, etc, etc.
I want and buy quality components. And strangely, my computers are not outdated and useless after the two years that it takes for such a cheap thing to get there. My condensators do not melt. My disks do not die after some months. I have no strange drives being unable to read things.
Because before buying, I inform myself about what hardware has which problems (they all have problems, just some have smaller ones). I could not even imagine buying such a complete case. Hell, how am I to modify it, when I lose the freakin' guarantee when I open the box?? How do I add my tons hardware? And who offers big towers anymore, that fit all the devices I use (I *need* five 5 1/4 bays *and* a couple of 3 1/2 ones. But more are better.)
Maybe it's because I actually *use* my computer at home. A very rare case nowadays.
Real men don't buy "computers". We buy devices that we build into a box. Then we call that a computer.
It's like making your own food as compared to McDonalds (which is no food).
Um... because for us real humans, money is not our only (pointless) reason of existence.
Actually, there was at least one big survey, that showed, that people actually prefer doing what they want, to having more money.
I chose more than once in my life, not to get more money, so I can do what I want. And I'm very happy with that decision. As long as I have food, shelter, friends, and can do what I want, what do I need all the rest for? The only reason money exists at all, is to get to those goals. It is no reason in itself, never was, and never will be. :)
If you can get there with less money, so be it.
neurovish on the other hand... it's a bit tinny isn't it?
tinny tinny tinny...
Whoooosh! And "knowing what you state to love FAIL".
Definitely. I second that. Boy has got no humor. Might as well drop a 16 ton weight on is head.
Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old Slashdotters. There is a pestilence upon this site, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design non-stories are under considerable economic stress in this period in history.
Man did you all miss a load of karma by posting as AC. Oh... wait...