>> Apple has this serious hang-up with free software--they want to control everything on their platform.
What on earth are you talking about? QuickTime is free, Darwin and Darwin Stream Server are open source projects, for Macs and PCs.
Do you realize that Quicktime 6 is the only thing out there that allow you to play and broadcast MPEG-4 plus virtually any other types of video and audio contents. Please remember, you ungrateful idiot, that Apple and Apple alone has fought so hard on behalf of the end users to get us the MPEG-4 license deal. Neither MS nor Real has made any commitment to MPEG-4.
>> Apart from the Open Source community, they have no chance to make any progress against Microsoft.
Sorry, do you care to remind us what the Open Source community has achieved in this regard.
>> You have an incorrectled installed copy of XP or a hardware problem then. I've not had XP crash on me even once since I installed it.
An idiot like you always blame yourself or even the weather for your PC problems. The whole fucking point of this debate is that a Wintel PC takes much more effort to set up PROPERLY and is statistically more likely to crash than a Mac OS X machine, for whatever reason. It takes 20 minutes to install Mac OS X properly, and hours to setup XP or Win 2000 but still not proper (and this happens to a friend of mine who is a PC hardware junky), so don't you think MS is partly to blame. As another example, I have a home network connected with an old HP printer, OS X can always find the printer when connected either through wireless or Ethernet, but XP refuses to print because it doesn't know the printer's IP address. The problem is that there is no way for me to find out or set the IP address, so to this day, whenever I want print from XP, I have to unplug the printer from the router and plug it directly to the stupid PC.
>> You might want to consider learning something about PC hardware and software before you start installing and screwing around with settings.
You are an arrogant asshole - don't ever assume that others are ignorant just because they have experienced something that you haven't. FYI, I have been using PCs for over 10 years and I know what I am talking about. It reminds me about a earlier debate about whether Mac users are smarter, and I think they are. Mac users choose their platform based on experiences, while most PC zealots stick to Windows because of ignorance. Have you ever used Mac OS X?
In case you haven't noticed here, no one is talking about older Macs. Have you used OS X at all? If not, you are not qualified to comment and wasting your time.
Speaking as a software engineer with over 10 years experiences with Unix, Windows and Macs, let me tell you that Mac OS X is simply better than any other OS, and certainly years ahead of any flavor of the Windows shit from MS. FYI, according to Tim O'Reilly, the entire PERL 6 core team has switched to Mac OS X, so have many of the top Java developers including James Gosling (Sun's co-inventor of Java). With a much smaller market share and R&D resources, Apple still beats MS with superior design and innovation, and definitely generates more excitement in the geek community.
My XP is a clean installation, not an upgrade, and it took much longer than my OS X.
>> Have you ever tried to figure out why you are crashing every day in XP? If most of the world is not crashing and you are then there might actually be something wrong with your machine.
The sad thing about typical PC users is that when something goes wrong they automatically blame themselves for not setting up the machine properly and they are happy to waste days or weeks to fix things. As a long term PC user myself, I know where this mentality comes from - bad experiences. But Mac users have higher expectations, because by and large Macs have far less problems.
By the way, I did try to figure out the problem, but had to gave up at some point.
"A properly set up XP or 2000 machine should rarely, if ever blue screen."
I use OS X and Win XP everyday, OS X has never ever crashed on me for over a year now, and XP has been crashing once every day or two, although it's now the black rather than the blue screen of sudden death - the most rude sort - just rebooting - no warning - no chance to save anything. Luckily, I don't use XP for anything other than running IE, which is why I can still bear to keep it around. OS X is for everything else: graphics, programming, surfing, word processing, music, DVD, and it will go asleep when not used and never gets shut down unless for software update or installation. The PC has to be switched off everyday due to the unbearable noise, and XP still crash like hell.
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> Unfortunately, I have almost no hope. Apple has demonstrated for more than 10 years that they do not care about unix users, and they will not address their concerns [google.com]. I sincerely hope that they change their ways, and start to care. The fact that they now have a very-high quality unix OS gives me hope that they might start to care about unix users.
Apple do care about Unix users. In fact, if you listen to Steve Jobs, Avi Tevanian, or Phil Shiller, you would know that they take great pride in the fact that OS X has already become the single largest Unix platform since its first release just over a year ago.
According to Tim O'Reilly
http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/19/invit e. html
alpha geeks simply love Mac OS X because they get the best of both worlds without the hassle of dual-boot - a fully functional Unix system to hack around and an amazingly rich collection of applications for home and office. To further prove his point, O'Really stated
"Almost all of the Perl 6 core team has switched to Mac OS X, as have many of the top Java and XML developers. Developers in new fields like bioinformatics and peer-to-peer networking are also climbing on board."
and apparently, James Gosling (co-inventor of Java) from Sun uses OS X on a TiBook.
The keyboard is might be valid point for you personally, but it doesn't seem to bother others. I myself is a Unix developer for many years, but never noticed any inconvenience with any Apple keyboard, and my PC keyboard is similar to the iBook's.
My iBook is much slower than the latest with only a 500 MHz G3 and 66 MHz bus, but I love it and use it for almost everything I do, because it's light, beautiful, quiet, faster than my 600 MHz PC. Most importantly, it has never crashed since I got it nearly a year ago, and I normally leave all applications (a dozen or more) running in the background for weeks and never shut down the system unless necessary.
In contrast, my 600 MHz PC running Win XP is only used to run IE and Outlook, and is hybernated or shut down daily because it's too noisy, but it typically crashes once every 2 days or so. The crash is the most destructive I have ever seen - it simply restarts with a black screen and disk checking followed by a half screenful of text messages that only Bill Gates cares to read - no warning - no time to save anything.
So if the keyboard is the only issue for you, consider that as a blessing and go get yourself a iBook now and you will enjoy it.
> As a former user of this machine, let me tell you that this computer (even after the speed-bump) is woefully underpowered if you intend to run OS X.
Speed was an issue with my 500 MHz (66 MHz system bus) before OS X 10.1, but not any more.
In fact, with OS X 10.1.4, the machine is fast for almost everything I do (surfing, programming, graphics, etc). IE is still slower on my iBook relative to an equivalent Wintel notebook, but I use OmniWeb most of the times.
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> I did nothing in making my comments that financial analysts everywhere haven't already done. *Every* time I hear nVidia mentioned on the financial news, I hear phrases like "allegations of Enron-like financial misstatements" or "the SEC probe into possible problems brings up shades of the Enron scandal and recent financial readjustments by Big Blue," etc.
We all know how the media loves to spread FUD, and you obviously are no better.
In fact, in the case of nVidia, all Ianalysts appear to agree that the issue is benign but could be blown out of proportion in the wake of Enron scandal, while your statement
"Second, much like Enron, nVidia (allegedly) inflated their financial statements in a very unethical manner in order to draw in more investment due to steadily rising stock prices during the investment bubble. Honesty is punished by investors if it isn't all wine and roses; inflated financial statements draw more investment. In the case of Enron, the house of cards collapsed. In the case of nVidia, the tail wagged the dog--inflated financials drew more and more investment, which funded more and faster product cycles, which allowed nVidia to really pull ahead of 3Dfx, just as 3Dfx fell further and further behind thanks to their Rampage sinkhole. The high investment due to questionable financial statements is what allowed nVidia to fund its whirlwind snowjob, culminating in the purchase of its beaten and devalued old rival. There's been an SEC probe into these purported financial improprieties, and from everything I've seen, it looks like nVidia's creative accounting was their source of power, funding their product cycles--kind of like winning by cheating. No, *exactly* like winning by cheating..."
draws a clear parallel between the two cases.
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> Second, much like Enron, nVidia (allegedly) inflated their financial statements in a very unethical manner in order to draw in more investment due to steadily rising stock prices during the investment bubble.
FYI, nVidia have come out of the SEC probe with better than clean results - the re-statements for the last 3 years leads to $1.3 mln INCREASE in net incomes.
In any case, you are not being fair to even mention Enron. What's a few million dollars to a multi-billion dollar company that has made enormous contribution to the graphics industry and managed to grow 4,000% since 1999 - they don't need to resort to any accounting trick.
I use Mail everyday since 10.0 and never have that problem.
It's a wonderful tool, better than Outlook on Windows in my opinion. The only minor issue is that sometime Mail refuse to quit, not a big deal because you can always force quit.
Apple must have done something right, and it's incredible that
"Almost all of the Perl 6 core team has switched to Mac OS X, as have many of the top Java and XML developers."
I wish I can be there. This is really more exciting than anything from Windows or even Linux world.
An Invitation From Tim O'Reilly and Rael Dornfest
We make our living at O'Reilly watching the "alpha geeks" and documenting what they do, since the early adopters tell us a lot about the shape of the future. Well, one thing that's been overwhelmingly clear this year is that the alpha geeks are choosing Mac OS X. Why?
Unix developers are excited by Mac OS X because they finally have a platform that gives them the best of both worlds -- a fully-functional Unix environment plus full support for office applications -- no more need to dual-boot, and no more need to feel like a fish out of water on the wrong side of that dual boot! Almost all of the Perl 6 core team has switched to Mac OS X, as have many of the top Java and XML developers. Developers in new fields like bioinformatics and peer-to-peer networking are also climbing on board.
Mac developers and power users are drawn by the vision that Apple has laid out. Just as in the early days of desktop publishing, Apple has made a bold move to build the future into the platform. The iApps -- iMovie, iPhoto, iTunes, iDvd -- are not only the key to expansive new markets, they are extensible by hackers and power users.
And of course, the machines are sleek, sexy, and reasonably priced. The iApps and other features like built-in support for 802.11b (so-called wi-fi networking) are making the Mac the must-have choice for anyone who is buying a new machine, and making a lot of people invent reasons why they NEED a new machine NOW. In short, Apple has put some excitement back into the industry.
Of course, Apple has put a steep learning curve in as well. The upgrade from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X is a major shift. Old Mac hands have as much to learn as Unix users. As a result, the demand for information about using and developing on Mac OS X is intense. David Pogue's Mac OS X: The Missing Manual, is O'Reilly's bestselling book out of the gate since the 1992 introduction of The Whole Internet User's Guide and Catalog -- and we all know what a feeding frenzy that portended.
In short, Mac OS X is one of the most exciting things happening in the industry today, and we've tried to put together a conference that features the many traditions and technologies that come together in this new crossroads. We've got tracks for both developers and power users. One of the most exciting things about conferences is the opportunity for people to meet and share ideas and knowledge face to face. The Mac OS X Conference is designed to let Unix people and Mac people learn from each other, and to let both learn from the people who're pushing the envelope, using the new Mac as a platform for building the future.
IE is a PoS on OS X, but OmniWeb 4.1 on my 400 Mhz G3 iMac is much faster visually more appealing than IE on my 600 MHz PC running Win XP.
In terms of stability, OS X is simply unmatched. It has never crashed once ever since 10.1, and you never have to quit applications or turn off the system, you just hide them or put the machine to sleep. I leave dozens of apps running for weeks and there is very little performance degradation. In contrast, I hardly use anything other than IE on the PC, and XP appears slower after a day's use, and it does crash quite a few times over the last month or so since installed.
The only thing that is fast on the PC is booting XP, but then I only restart OS X once in a few weeks, so what do I care about booting?
The latest OmniWeb is 4.1 sneaky peek 50 (v361) which is very fast and much better than the released version. Get it from
http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp/pub/software/MacOSX/. sneakypeek/
and enjoy. OmniWeb SP is getting better almost everyday.
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>> Apple has this serious hang-up with free software--they want to control everything on their platform.
What on earth are you talking about? QuickTime is free, Darwin and Darwin Stream Server are open source projects, for Macs and PCs.
Do you realize that Quicktime 6 is the only thing out there that allow you to play and broadcast MPEG-4 plus virtually any other types of video and audio contents. Please remember, you ungrateful idiot, that Apple and Apple alone has fought so hard on behalf of the end users to get us the MPEG-4 license deal. Neither MS nor Real has made any commitment to MPEG-4.
>> Apart from the Open Source community, they have no chance to make any progress against Microsoft.
Sorry, do you care to remind us what the Open Source community has achieved in this regard.
>> You have an incorrectled installed copy of XP or a hardware problem then. I've not had XP crash on me even once since I installed it.
An idiot like you always blame yourself or even the weather for your PC problems. The whole fucking point of this debate is that a Wintel PC takes much more effort to set up PROPERLY and is statistically more likely to crash than a Mac OS X machine, for whatever reason. It takes 20 minutes to install Mac OS X properly, and hours to setup XP or Win 2000 but still not proper (and this happens to a friend of mine who is a PC hardware junky), so don't you think MS is partly to blame. As another example, I have a home network connected with an old HP printer, OS X can always find the printer when connected either through wireless or Ethernet, but XP refuses to print because it doesn't know the printer's IP address. The problem is that there is no way for me to find out or set the IP address, so to this day, whenever I want print from XP, I have to unplug the printer from the router and plug it directly to the stupid PC.
>> You might want to consider learning something about PC hardware and software before you start installing and screwing around with settings.
You are an arrogant asshole - don't ever assume that others are ignorant just because they have experienced something that you haven't. FYI, I have been using PCs for over 10 years and I know what I am talking about. It reminds me about a earlier debate about whether Mac users are smarter, and I think they are. Mac users choose their platform based on experiences, while most PC zealots stick to Windows because of ignorance. Have you ever used Mac OS X?
In case you haven't noticed here, no one is talking about older Macs. Have you used OS X at all? If not, you are not qualified to comment and wasting your time.
Speaking as a software engineer with over 10 years experiences with Unix, Windows and Macs, let me tell you that Mac OS X is simply better than any other OS, and certainly years ahead of any flavor of the Windows shit from MS. FYI, according to Tim O'Reilly, the entire PERL 6 core team has switched to Mac OS X, so have many of the top Java developers including James Gosling (Sun's co-inventor of Java). With a much smaller market share and R&D resources, Apple still beats MS with superior design and innovation, and definitely generates more excitement in the geek community.
My XP is a clean installation, not an upgrade, and it took much longer than my OS X.
>> Have you ever tried to figure out why you are crashing every day in XP? If most of the world is not crashing and you are then there might actually be something wrong with your machine.
The sad thing about typical PC users is that when something goes wrong they automatically blame themselves for not setting up the machine properly and they are happy to waste days or weeks to fix things. As a long term PC user myself, I know where this mentality comes from - bad experiences. But Mac users have higher expectations, because by and large Macs have far less problems.
By the way, I did try to figure out the problem, but had to gave up at some point.
"A properly set up XP or 2000 machine should rarely, if ever blue screen."
I use OS X and Win XP everyday, OS X has never ever crashed on me for over a year now, and XP has been crashing once every day or two, although it's now the black rather than the blue screen of sudden death - the most rude sort - just rebooting - no warning - no chance to save anything. Luckily, I don't use XP for anything other than running IE, which is why I can still bear to keep it around. OS X is for everything else: graphics, programming, surfing, word processing, music, DVD, and it will go asleep when not used and never gets shut down unless for software update or installation. The PC has to be switched off everyday due to the unbearable noise, and XP still crash like hell.
> Unfortunately, I have almost no hope. Apple has demonstrated for more than 10 years that they do not care about unix users, and they will not address their concerns [google.com]. I sincerely hope that they change their ways, and start to care. The fact that they now have a very-high quality unix OS gives me hope that they might start to care about unix users.
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Apple do care about Unix users. In fact, if you listen to Steve Jobs, Avi Tevanian, or Phil Shiller, you would know that they take great pride in the fact that OS X has already become the single largest Unix platform since its first release just over a year ago.
According to Tim O'Reilly
http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/19/invi
alpha geeks simply love Mac OS X because they get the best of both worlds without the hassle of dual-boot - a fully functional Unix system to hack around and an amazingly rich collection of applications for home and office. To further prove his point, O'Really stated
"Almost all of the Perl 6 core team has switched to Mac OS X, as have many of the top Java and XML developers. Developers in new fields like bioinformatics and peer-to-peer networking are also climbing on board."
and apparently, James Gosling (co-inventor of Java) from Sun uses OS X on a TiBook.
The keyboard is might be valid point for you personally, but it doesn't seem to bother others. I myself is a Unix developer for many years, but never noticed any inconvenience with any Apple keyboard, and my PC keyboard is similar to the iBook's.
My iBook is much slower than the latest with only a 500 MHz G3 and 66 MHz bus, but I love it and use it for almost everything I do, because it's light, beautiful, quiet, faster than my 600 MHz PC. Most importantly, it has never crashed since I got it nearly a year ago, and I normally leave all applications (a dozen or more) running in the background for weeks and never shut down the system unless necessary.
In contrast, my 600 MHz PC running Win XP is only used to run IE and Outlook, and is hybernated or shut down daily because it's too noisy, but it typically crashes once every 2 days or so. The crash is the most destructive I have ever seen - it simply restarts with a black screen and disk checking followed by a half screenful of text messages that only Bill Gates cares to read - no warning - no time to save anything.
So if the keyboard is the only issue for you, consider that as a blessing and go get yourself a iBook now and you will enjoy it.
Is there anything perfect in this world?
> As a former user of this machine, let me tell you that this computer (even after the speed-bump) is woefully underpowered if you intend to run OS X.
Speed was an issue with my 500 MHz (66 MHz system bus) before OS X 10.1, but not any more.
In fact, with OS X 10.1.4, the machine is fast for almost everything I do (surfing, programming, graphics, etc). IE is still slower on my iBook relative to an equivalent Wintel notebook, but I use OmniWeb most of the times.
> I did nothing in making my comments that financial analysts everywhere haven't already done. *Every* time I hear nVidia mentioned on the financial news, I hear phrases like "allegations of Enron-like financial misstatements" or "the SEC probe into possible problems brings up shades of the Enron scandal and recent financial readjustments by Big Blue," etc.
We all know how the media loves to spread FUD, and you obviously are no better.
In fact, in the case of nVidia, all Ianalysts appear to agree that the issue is benign but could be blown out of proportion in the wake of Enron scandal, while your statement
"Second, much like Enron, nVidia (allegedly) inflated their financial statements in a very unethical manner in order to draw in more investment due to steadily rising stock prices during the investment bubble. Honesty is punished by investors if it isn't all wine and roses; inflated financial statements draw more investment. In the case of Enron, the house of cards collapsed. In the case of nVidia, the tail wagged the dog--inflated financials drew more and more investment, which funded more and faster product cycles, which allowed nVidia to really pull ahead of 3Dfx, just as 3Dfx fell further and further behind thanks to their Rampage sinkhole. The high investment due to questionable financial statements is what allowed nVidia to fund its whirlwind snowjob, culminating in the purchase of its beaten and devalued old rival. There's been an SEC probe into these purported financial improprieties, and from everything I've seen, it looks like nVidia's creative accounting was their source of power, funding their product cycles--kind of like winning by cheating. No, *exactly* like winning by cheating..."
draws a clear parallel between the two cases.
> Second, much like Enron, nVidia (allegedly) inflated their financial statements in a very unethical manner in order to draw in more investment due to steadily rising stock prices during the investment bubble. FYI, nVidia have come out of the SEC probe with better than clean results - the re-statements for the last 3 years leads to $1.3 mln INCREASE in net incomes. In any case, you are not being fair to even mention Enron. What's a few million dollars to a multi-billion dollar company that has made enormous contribution to the graphics industry and managed to grow 4,000% since 1999 - they don't need to resort to any accounting trick.
I use Mail everyday since 10.0 and never have that problem. It's a wonderful tool, better than Outlook on Windows in my opinion. The only minor issue is that sometime Mail refuse to quit, not a big deal because you can always force quit.
Apple must have done something right, and it's incredible that
"Almost all of the Perl 6 core team has switched to Mac OS X, as have many of the top Java and XML developers."
I wish I can be there. This is really more exciting than anything from Windows or even Linux world.
An Invitation From Tim O'Reilly and Rael Dornfest
We make our living at O'Reilly watching the "alpha geeks" and documenting what they do, since the early adopters tell us a lot about the shape of the future. Well, one thing that's been overwhelmingly clear this year is that the alpha geeks are choosing Mac OS X. Why?
Unix developers are excited by Mac OS X because they finally have a platform that gives them the best of both worlds -- a fully-functional Unix environment plus full support for office applications -- no more need to dual-boot, and no more need to feel like a fish out of water on the wrong side of that dual boot! Almost all of the Perl 6 core team has switched to Mac OS X, as have many of the top Java and XML developers. Developers in new fields like bioinformatics and peer-to-peer networking are also climbing on board.
Mac developers and power users are drawn by the vision that Apple has laid out. Just as in the early days of desktop publishing, Apple has made a bold move to build the future into the platform. The iApps -- iMovie, iPhoto, iTunes, iDvd -- are not only the key to expansive new markets, they are extensible by hackers and power users.
And of course, the machines are sleek, sexy, and reasonably priced. The iApps and other features like built-in support for 802.11b (so-called wi-fi networking) are making the Mac the must-have choice for anyone who is buying a new machine, and making a lot of people invent reasons why they NEED a new machine NOW. In short, Apple has put some excitement back into the industry.
Of course, Apple has put a steep learning curve in as well. The upgrade from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X is a major shift. Old Mac hands have as much to learn as Unix users. As a result, the demand for information about using and developing on Mac OS X is intense. David Pogue's Mac OS X: The Missing Manual, is O'Reilly's bestselling book out of the gate since the 1992 introduction of The Whole Internet User's Guide and Catalog -- and we all know what a feeding frenzy that portended.
In short, Mac OS X is one of the most exciting things happening in the industry today, and we've tried to put together a conference that features the many traditions and technologies that come together in this new crossroads. We've got tracks for both developers and power users. One of the most exciting things about conferences is the opportunity for people to meet and share ideas and knowledge face to face. The Mac OS X Conference is designed to let Unix people and Mac people learn from each other, and to let both learn from the people who're pushing the envelope, using the new Mac as a platform for building the future.
IE is a PoS on OS X, but OmniWeb 4.1 on my 400 Mhz G3 iMac is much faster visually more appealing than IE on my 600 MHz PC running Win XP. In terms of stability, OS X is simply unmatched. It has never crashed once ever since 10.1, and you never have to quit applications or turn off the system, you just hide them or put the machine to sleep. I leave dozens of apps running for weeks and there is very little performance degradation. In contrast, I hardly use anything other than IE on the PC, and XP appears slower after a day's use, and it does crash quite a few times over the last month or so since installed. The only thing that is fast on the PC is booting XP, but then I only restart OS X once in a few weeks, so what do I care about booting?
The latest OmniWeb is 4.1 sneaky peek 50 (v361) which is very fast and much better than the released version. Get it from http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp/pub/software/MacOSX/. sneakypeek/
and enjoy. OmniWeb SP is getting better almost everyday.