*groan*
I do not care how idealistic you are... you have to eat. You have to pay the bills. You have to keep a roof over your head.
These 'idealists' got screwed because they let themselves get screwed. If an employer said "sorry, we are out of capital and reserve monies... we cannot pay you this week." I would be immediately out the door, with some of the companies property underarm in the value of my paycheck, and woe onto the management weenie that thinks they can stop me or tries to pick up the phone to use it against me. Hell, if they shorted me one day's pay I would be the same way.
See, this is what scares me most about Linux. Loki, for all of it's 'good' intent in spurring on the Linux dev cycle and getting it into the hands of the average joe user (games/entertainment being one of the key points Linux just can't do right now for average joe at home) was a failure. You can point to the positives in their business model, but it was a failure.
Now you have the biggest and brightest hope for Linux on the desktop dead. Without some viable, and quite public (not that Loki was that well known) push by Linux to actualy become as or more user friendly than MS desktop OS's (and even Mac OSs), you have just seen the digging of the linux hole that much deeper. People in the know will sneer and laugh, discounting Linux for home use for years to come, while those in the know miss out even more thanks to the failing sof Loki and how it let down a small, geeky community that is ardently committed to their hobbiest OS. This breeds hopelessness, which brings further fanatasicm and obscurity.
You have a bunch of broke employees who have little future in the IT industry. These are people who failed to make software work on their platform... their careers and training are centered on Linux and games, and this combo does not work thanks to the grand demonstration that was Loki. Now they are broke, meaning they can't get decent retraining. Now they are broke, demonstrating a lack of certain intelligence and smarts. Now they are broke and show the world in some cases that they are dedicated, but most will regard them as fanatical hobbiest who stupidly supported a failed experiment. Now they are broke and hungry and no better for their time at Loki.
You have numerous companies who are no-doubtedly out of large sums of monies thanks to Loki. This in itself is criminal, IMHO, and reflects bad on the Linux 'community'. No coming back easily from that if you are a future Linux related start up... it will effect your potential investors, suppliers, etc.
Just another nail in the coffin of Linux and any other *nix at home. Sure, you hobbiests will use it at home, with it's limited and difficult interface/functionality... you are fanatics, what can be said. But, Linux at home as a movement and market force is dead today, and maybe forever given the hole Loki has dug you.
*nix may survive and prosper even (as maybe it should) in the behind the scenes server market, all the little hobbiest server gnomes scurrying about in the darkened server rooms speaking their little geeky haxor k3rn4l language to each other (then again this image surely dooms them to obscurity and ignomanity that will certainly ensure the demise of the OS...). But, it will not step beyond the darkness of server havens and into the consumers' home PC... Loki saw to that.
Wing Commander... the light carrier moving into battle against the Cats heavy CR and two DD's. The ship to ship fighting was interesting, though I would picture more missles in each volley. When they closed to 'broadside range', it was interesting also.
Bab 5 has some of these elements too.
But ultimately, no movie has yet tackled massive emperial warfare between empires having thousands of planets and trillions of citizens, massive fleets with captial ships on the scale of the Executioner (and lots of them). The Wingman books capture this somewhat, in WWII hero fashion, as do the Sten and Lensman books.
I have always dreamed of a 4X game that focuses on massive empires with massive multiple fleets and legion sized ground units hurling anti-matter energy at each other from long and close range, fighters slashing in to nip away while fast escorts in the van duke it out with hunter killer torpedos the size of small fighters. Won't happen though... the graphics for computer games won't deal with the poly and this won't get made until they can release it as a game.
FreeSpace 2 is somewhat close...
Try the Sten series for some seriously fun, yet light james bond like sci-fi with the baddest space battles imaginable, especially towards the end of the seris. It's fun and at the same type has several condemations of man, all wrapped up in epic sci-fi style and giant battles.
Cool stuff, just take it with a grain.
Honor Harrington is good stuff too, so are the Man-Kzin Wars, and for ground warfare David Drake puts out some interesting stuff (BOLOs Rule!)
How in the hell have consumers been gyped? Because they didn't have RedHat waved in their face in the same manner? Well, on a very technical level, maybe, but in the end an *nix based OS is not for the consumer.
Maybe they got gyped because Netscape wasn't installed on every Win98 and XP box... yeah, that's it. Did you use Ver6? Did you even use a version 4.xx anything and then compare it to IE 5? Dear lord, if you still think Nutscrap had a better product, you are sorely funked in the head. Only with 6.2 does Nutscrap have a viable product again.
Real player... yeah, they didn't get to use real players crapola adware with it's awful streaming video and deplorable audio quality. That must be it then, right?
AOHell! Eureka, they didn't get signed up to AOHell or have it waved in there face... yeah right. AOHell has the largest share of internet users... by and large.
Man... alot of these companies, including Sun are lawsuit happy because they just can't compete. Yeah, MS is a Monopoly, but that in itself is NOT illegal. Yes, they have done some really bad things to OEM in terms of licensing to ensure they get on the PC and no one else does, for that they need to pay. Yes, MS has also bundled software, but that is their right and not anti-competitive as long as they didn't block access or functionality of the competitions products, which they didn't.
Actually, there is a major difference in how Java (JRE) addresses the CE OS and how CE works with Java. Remember that CE is seriously stripped down, with a lot less overhead than a desktop OS (ANY desktop OS). It also has hooks built in directly to the OS to better run Java since alot of handheld apps are in one of three big language, one of which is Java.
XP/2K on the other hand have no special hooks, and alot more overhead for hardware. I have noticed this too, but also on my 98SE box and my RedHat box... Java just doesn't perform very well honestly.
How about some empircal evidence there bub!!!???
I am always on, running an external firewall. Never had a hint of any traffic going out like this at any time. Haven't read anything about it happening during autoupdate either (there was a great article on The Register two months ago to dispell that myth).
Stop being a rabid dog *nix flag waving nazi and back your bald ass statements with some fact.
Just a push over the table before they shoved it up my ass. Thanks to years of lovely liberal trash in power, we are now down to this; companies feel they can do what they want and it will take YEARS before anyone actually acts, which by that point it's too late.
Didn't they say that in Nazi Germany in the 30's?
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Hmmm... didn't alot of moderates and non-commital people in Germany say that during the early and mid 1930's?
Didn't alot of people say that there was no point to voting just before and during the Reign of Terror that was the Clinton administration???
I bet you similar words flowed from the mouths of Southern Italians just before Musolini took power too.
Just because today a company or government does nothing does not mean that their newly acquired data cannot be used in the future in a way that is negative towards you.
You have posted what has to be the most stupid thing yet I have seen on/. in the years I have been here... contratulations.
Turn on a fire wall or packet sniffer along with a thread process monitor and watch what goes out to www6.winamp.org/cgi-bin/sc2a.pl
I haven't had time to do much more than this, and I noticed that sometimes is is www2.winamp.org/cgi-bin/sc2a.pl.
Makes you wonder what is being reported, but I find no report cache files so what ever it is happening on the flyin the main exe file.
On IRC and in a few news threads hosted for Mozilla... they are doing the same and it has been in there for a while.
How do you think they can make money???
And better, I love how the most ardent MS bashers are now himmin and hawwin about NS not being the giant evil, even though only a few weeks ago MS got bashed by the same people for doing the same thing.
Chinese junks of the period sailed in the Sea of Japan and all along the coast of China, as well as in the very violent South China Sea. They have typhoons there that would make the Atlantic blows look like mere windstorms.
Also, unlike the Oak type woods used in Euro and later US ships, they used Teak... this is, when cured correctly, the hardest and toughest of woods, and also the most tensile strength of all wood materials used commonly (iron wood is actually 'tougher' so I have read, but it is not available in the abundance Teak wood is found in Asia).
I see your point about engineering a ship that large that would still be able to weather a moderate storm in the Pacific, but wood engineering is a bit different than steel engineering. Different processes, tools, methods, etc.
Remember that US nuclear powered carriers and some of the latest super tankers exceed this length now, and modern engineering and metulurgy both support the building of 'super' ships or 'city' ships for the future (there even is a project for one based out of Florida that might just get the start up money needed for a 2200 foot ship).
I really would be curious to see the material evidence that support the idea that the chinese had a 1000 foot ship.
Remember, people didn't think you could build a wood submarine that could actually submerse and run, but it was done in for the first time in the 1700's. Man has managed to engineer a process that allowed him to build the pyramids out of 200 ton stone blocks in just 30 years, even though today the largest crane would find it difficult to do so in 60-100 years.
Hehe, when I read the heading, I immediately thought of a cold swimming pool on a hot summer day with your bikini clad girlfriend watching you get out after a quick dunk. OWIE!
Seriously, I have to agree about phones being too small. My wife and I just switched off our land line in our apartment and went with two cell phones as it is cheaper. We got a good deal from verizon on service and two motorola mid-range 3system phones.
These are largish phones compared to flip phones, and I still find them annoyingly small. I don't mind thin, but they are too short. You can't cradle them well on your ear or anything! And I get this feeling like I should be moving it from my ear to my mouth and back in a conversation (though you certainly don't have to), and manipulating the three little speaker hole grill over your ear so you can hear correctly takes some getting used to as well.
Why not... chinese intercoastal junks were large even in the 1200's. They had the technology to build these wide, shallow draft sailing vessels to very large sizes.
Hell, there are viking records of their best long ships being much larger than ships of Columbus's time.
Remember, this is an empire that had very advanced sciences for the age. Woodworking, chemistry, metalurgy, and mathmatics were right up there with things the Europeans were not able to do for another 200 - 300 years.
Two schools of thought.
First, what is "discovered"? Since native indians had been on the whole North/South American continent for up to 20K years, did anyone really discover it (other than the natives)?.
Secondly, what about the ballast stone and other artifacts that date back further from both the South Pacific Islanders and an even earlier Chinese dynasty.
There are even now quite a few historians and other academic types who think that there may have been a true 'Atlantis' and that this society had sailing vessels comparable to the 1400's as early as 3000 - 5000 years before, but sucumbed to a cataclysm related to the 'great flood' of noah's arc fame.
The Europeans were certainly not first, and neither were the scandinavians. Maybe the Chinese, but then again 'what is discovery'?
Just put up a dozen or two web pages on a dozen or two different free websites with links that point wildly all over the net, especially to pr0n.
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*groan* I do not care how idealistic you are... you have to eat. You have to pay the bills. You have to keep a roof over your head. These 'idealists' got screwed because they let themselves get screwed. If an employer said "sorry, we are out of capital and reserve monies... we cannot pay you this week." I would be immediately out the door, with some of the companies property underarm in the value of my paycheck, and woe onto the management weenie that thinks they can stop me or tries to pick up the phone to use it against me. Hell, if they shorted me one day's pay I would be the same way. See, this is what scares me most about Linux. Loki, for all of it's 'good' intent in spurring on the Linux dev cycle and getting it into the hands of the average joe user (games/entertainment being one of the key points Linux just can't do right now for average joe at home) was a failure. You can point to the positives in their business model, but it was a failure. Now you have the biggest and brightest hope for Linux on the desktop dead. Without some viable, and quite public (not that Loki was that well known) push by Linux to actualy become as or more user friendly than MS desktop OS's (and even Mac OSs), you have just seen the digging of the linux hole that much deeper. People in the know will sneer and laugh, discounting Linux for home use for years to come, while those in the know miss out even more thanks to the failing sof Loki and how it let down a small, geeky community that is ardently committed to their hobbiest OS. This breeds hopelessness, which brings further fanatasicm and obscurity. You have a bunch of broke employees who have little future in the IT industry. These are people who failed to make software work on their platform... their careers and training are centered on Linux and games, and this combo does not work thanks to the grand demonstration that was Loki. Now they are broke, meaning they can't get decent retraining. Now they are broke, demonstrating a lack of certain intelligence and smarts. Now they are broke and show the world in some cases that they are dedicated, but most will regard them as fanatical hobbiest who stupidly supported a failed experiment. Now they are broke and hungry and no better for their time at Loki. You have numerous companies who are no-doubtedly out of large sums of monies thanks to Loki. This in itself is criminal, IMHO, and reflects bad on the Linux 'community'. No coming back easily from that if you are a future Linux related start up... it will effect your potential investors, suppliers, etc. Just another nail in the coffin of Linux and any other *nix at home. Sure, you hobbiests will use it at home, with it's limited and difficult interface/functionality... you are fanatics, what can be said. But, Linux at home as a movement and market force is dead today, and maybe forever given the hole Loki has dug you. *nix may survive and prosper even (as maybe it should) in the behind the scenes server market, all the little hobbiest server gnomes scurrying about in the darkened server rooms speaking their little geeky haxor k3rn4l language to each other (then again this image surely dooms them to obscurity and ignomanity that will certainly ensure the demise of the OS...). But, it will not step beyond the darkness of server havens and into the consumers' home PC... Loki saw to that.
Wing Commander... the light carrier moving into battle against the Cats heavy CR and two DD's. The ship to ship fighting was interesting, though I would picture more missles in each volley. When they closed to 'broadside range', it was interesting also. Bab 5 has some of these elements too. But ultimately, no movie has yet tackled massive emperial warfare between empires having thousands of planets and trillions of citizens, massive fleets with captial ships on the scale of the Executioner (and lots of them). The Wingman books capture this somewhat, in WWII hero fashion, as do the Sten and Lensman books. I have always dreamed of a 4X game that focuses on massive empires with massive multiple fleets and legion sized ground units hurling anti-matter energy at each other from long and close range, fighters slashing in to nip away while fast escorts in the van duke it out with hunter killer torpedos the size of small fighters. Won't happen though... the graphics for computer games won't deal with the poly and this won't get made until they can release it as a game. FreeSpace 2 is somewhat close...
Try the Sten series for some seriously fun, yet light james bond like sci-fi with the baddest space battles imaginable, especially towards the end of the seris. It's fun and at the same type has several condemations of man, all wrapped up in epic sci-fi style and giant battles. Cool stuff, just take it with a grain. Honor Harrington is good stuff too, so are the Man-Kzin Wars, and for ground warfare David Drake puts out some interesting stuff (BOLOs Rule!)
His father he is, but face him he will!!! Die rebel scum...
Who cares about PGP... if companies and investors are not opting in, there is a reason... ponder that.
How in the hell have consumers been gyped? Because they didn't have RedHat waved in their face in the same manner? Well, on a very technical level, maybe, but in the end an *nix based OS is not for the consumer. Maybe they got gyped because Netscape wasn't installed on every Win98 and XP box... yeah, that's it. Did you use Ver6? Did you even use a version 4.xx anything and then compare it to IE 5? Dear lord, if you still think Nutscrap had a better product, you are sorely funked in the head. Only with 6.2 does Nutscrap have a viable product again. Real player... yeah, they didn't get to use real players crapola adware with it's awful streaming video and deplorable audio quality. That must be it then, right? AOHell! Eureka, they didn't get signed up to AOHell or have it waved in there face... yeah right. AOHell has the largest share of internet users... by and large. Man... alot of these companies, including Sun are lawsuit happy because they just can't compete. Yeah, MS is a Monopoly, but that in itself is NOT illegal. Yes, they have done some really bad things to OEM in terms of licensing to ensure they get on the PC and no one else does, for that they need to pay. Yes, MS has also bundled software, but that is their right and not anti-competitive as long as they didn't block access or functionality of the competitions products, which they didn't.
Actually, there is a major difference in how Java (JRE) addresses the CE OS and how CE works with Java. Remember that CE is seriously stripped down, with a lot less overhead than a desktop OS (ANY desktop OS). It also has hooks built in directly to the OS to better run Java since alot of handheld apps are in one of three big language, one of which is Java. XP/2K on the other hand have no special hooks, and alot more overhead for hardware. I have noticed this too, but also on my 98SE box and my RedHat box... Java just doesn't perform very well honestly.
Since Sun doesn't make or profit from a web browser and OS that competes in the same market segments.
How about some empircal evidence there bub!!!??? I am always on, running an external firewall. Never had a hint of any traffic going out like this at any time. Haven't read anything about it happening during autoupdate either (there was a great article on The Register two months ago to dispell that myth). Stop being a rabid dog *nix flag waving nazi and back your bald ass statements with some fact.
Just a push over the table before they shoved it up my ass. Thanks to years of lovely liberal trash in power, we are now down to this; companies feel they can do what they want and it will take YEARS before anyone actually acts, which by that point it's too late.
Hmmm... didn't alot of moderates and non-commital people in Germany say that during the early and mid 1930's? Didn't alot of people say that there was no point to voting just before and during the Reign of Terror that was the Clinton administration??? I bet you similar words flowed from the mouths of Southern Italians just before Musolini took power too. Just because today a company or government does nothing does not mean that their newly acquired data cannot be used in the future in a way that is negative towards you. You have posted what has to be the most stupid thing yet I have seen on /. in the years I have been here... contratulations.
Turn on a fire wall or packet sniffer along with a thread process monitor and watch what goes out to www6.winamp.org/cgi-bin/sc2a.pl I haven't had time to do much more than this, and I noticed that sometimes is is www2.winamp.org/cgi-bin/sc2a.pl. Makes you wonder what is being reported, but I find no report cache files so what ever it is happening on the flyin the main exe file.
On IRC and in a few news threads hosted for Mozilla... they are doing the same and it has been in there for a while. How do you think they can make money??? And better, I love how the most ardent MS bashers are now himmin and hawwin about NS not being the giant evil, even though only a few weeks ago MS got bashed by the same people for doing the same thing.
Chinese junks of the period sailed in the Sea of Japan and all along the coast of China, as well as in the very violent South China Sea. They have typhoons there that would make the Atlantic blows look like mere windstorms. Also, unlike the Oak type woods used in Euro and later US ships, they used Teak... this is, when cured correctly, the hardest and toughest of woods, and also the most tensile strength of all wood materials used commonly (iron wood is actually 'tougher' so I have read, but it is not available in the abundance Teak wood is found in Asia). I see your point about engineering a ship that large that would still be able to weather a moderate storm in the Pacific, but wood engineering is a bit different than steel engineering. Different processes, tools, methods, etc. Remember that US nuclear powered carriers and some of the latest super tankers exceed this length now, and modern engineering and metulurgy both support the building of 'super' ships or 'city' ships for the future (there even is a project for one based out of Florida that might just get the start up money needed for a 2200 foot ship). I really would be curious to see the material evidence that support the idea that the chinese had a 1000 foot ship. Remember, people didn't think you could build a wood submarine that could actually submerse and run, but it was done in for the first time in the 1700's. Man has managed to engineer a process that allowed him to build the pyramids out of 200 ton stone blocks in just 30 years, even though today the largest crane would find it difficult to do so in 60-100 years.
Hehe, when I read the heading, I immediately thought of a cold swimming pool on a hot summer day with your bikini clad girlfriend watching you get out after a quick dunk. OWIE! Seriously, I have to agree about phones being too small. My wife and I just switched off our land line in our apartment and went with two cell phones as it is cheaper. We got a good deal from verizon on service and two motorola mid-range 3system phones. These are largish phones compared to flip phones, and I still find them annoyingly small. I don't mind thin, but they are too short. You can't cradle them well on your ear or anything! And I get this feeling like I should be moving it from my ear to my mouth and back in a conversation (though you certainly don't have to), and manipulating the three little speaker hole grill over your ear so you can hear correctly takes some getting used to as well.
Why not... chinese intercoastal junks were large even in the 1200's. They had the technology to build these wide, shallow draft sailing vessels to very large sizes. Hell, there are viking records of their best long ships being much larger than ships of Columbus's time. Remember, this is an empire that had very advanced sciences for the age. Woodworking, chemistry, metalurgy, and mathmatics were right up there with things the Europeans were not able to do for another 200 - 300 years.
Two schools of thought. First, what is "discovered"? Since native indians had been on the whole North/South American continent for up to 20K years, did anyone really discover it (other than the natives)?. Secondly, what about the ballast stone and other artifacts that date back further from both the South Pacific Islanders and an even earlier Chinese dynasty. There are even now quite a few historians and other academic types who think that there may have been a true 'Atlantis' and that this society had sailing vessels comparable to the 1400's as early as 3000 - 5000 years before, but sucumbed to a cataclysm related to the 'great flood' of noah's arc fame. The Europeans were certainly not first, and neither were the scandinavians. Maybe the Chinese, but then again 'what is discovery'?
Just put up a dozen or two web pages on a dozen or two different free websites with links that point wildly all over the net, especially to pr0n. MUHUHAAAAAA
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