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The Incredible Shrinking Antenna

pinkUZI writes "NYTimes ran an article yesterday about a new material, created by a general manager at Integral Technologies, that would enable use of the plastic mold of a cell phone as its Antenna. Pretty neat, as it actually increases the size of the antenna while decreasing the footprint."

184 comments

  1. Capacitance? by LoonXTall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this even work with a hand holding the plastic case?

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    1. Re:Capacitance? by AlexDeGruven · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't see why it wouldn't. Your antenna on your car isn't affected a large amount if you grab it. And, who knows, if you have a metal plate in your head, it may increase your signal by several orders of magnitude. I can see it now, no roaming, even from China

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    2. Re:Capacitance? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

      Sure. Imagine holding a phone with an internal metal antenna -- it's almost the same thing, just a few extra millimeters of distance.

    3. Re:Capacitance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, that's just plain fucked up. We can put a man on the moon, create antenna smaller than a quarter and we can't find a way to prevent a cock from going flaccid after 30 seconds in some good pussy...
      No, not me... I'm just saying.

    4. Re:Capacitance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      viagra
      duh

    5. Re:Capacitance? by rfphill · · Score: 0

      Like Disneyland.. An hour wait for a five minute ride. No me, I'm just sayin'...

  2. Shrinkage = Bad by Duckz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great, now my phone is gonna be so tiny I can put it on my keychain!

    1. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by Brento · · Score: 4, Funny

      Great, now my phone is gonna be so tiny I can put it on my keychain!

      What's so bad about that? And come to think of it, a keychain might make a decent antenna if you could wrap the wire right...

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    2. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by Duckz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Nokia 3360's and smaller phones are very annoying. I want a phone large enough that I dont feel like I need to be moving the phone up to my ear when listening and down to the mouth when talking.

      I know they work well, but I feel like I have to do that, and the smaller they get the worst that 'feeling' will be.

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    3. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by jeffy210 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I have an 8260 (even smaller than the 3360) and it works just fine holding it normally. The mic is good enough to pick up your voice at a normal volume when it is next to your ear. You don't have to consistently move it back and forth for the other person to hear you. Coupled with the headset and sometimes it feels like the person is right next to me. Maybe it is the area that you are in?

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    4. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by SteamedGeek · · Score: 1

      Hehe, when I read the heading, I immediately thought of a cold swimming pool on a hot summer day with your bikini clad girlfriend watching you get out after a quick dunk. OWIE! Seriously, I have to agree about phones being too small. My wife and I just switched off our land line in our apartment and went with two cell phones as it is cheaper. We got a good deal from verizon on service and two motorola mid-range 3system phones. These are largish phones compared to flip phones, and I still find them annoyingly small. I don't mind thin, but they are too short. You can't cradle them well on your ear or anything! And I get this feeling like I should be moving it from my ear to my mouth and back in a conversation (though you certainly don't have to), and manipulating the three little speaker hole grill over your ear so you can hear correctly takes some getting used to as well.

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    5. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by Galvatron · · Score: 3, Informative

      He didn't say it doesn't work, he said it doesn't feel right, and I agree. I want what I'm talking into to be in front of my mouth, not over on the side of my face. Besides which, it seems that these small phones unconciously causes people to talk louder, to the point where many people on cell phones are almost shouting, to the great annoyance of all around them.

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    6. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by vicviper · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kind of like the people who think that they can/can't hear with glassess on/off? Tell me, when you talk to someone in person, do you put their ear in your mouth? :)

      Seriously, it's understandable why the asthetics of a phone (or any such device) would lead to use that was not intended by the designer. As long as there is a demand for phones that have mics close to the mouth, someone will make 'em.

    7. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by Equinox · · Score: 1

      Actually, I am one who suffers from the glasses deal...if my glasses aren't on, I can't hear. Sounds strange, but really makes since. My hearing isn't that great either. I found out I am subconciously (sp?) reading lips. One of my coworkers has the same condition.

    8. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by NivekEnterprises · · Score: 1

      but what if you lost it? people are always losing their keys...

    9. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by Galvatron · · Score: 2

      No, but I do face them when I talk. My mouth is still pointing in the direction that I am projecting sound. Do you stand at right angles to people when you talk to them?

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    10. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by farsighed · · Score: 1

      Oh, well, then you could always call your keys and track it down by the ring.

      One ring to hold them all and in the darkness find them!

      -- F.S.

    11. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by farsighed · · Score: 1

      Tell me, when you talk to someone in person, do you put their ear in your mouth? :)

      Depends on the person, depends on the situation. :)

      -- F.S. (She enjoys it, I tell you!)

    12. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by garf · · Score: 1

      Try having your head shrinked to fit the 'phone better.

      Don't be stuck with the pre-condition of your condition, change it. I have a list of good butchers if your want :)

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  3. Merge it with the chips by crumbz · · Score: 2

    With Intel planning on integrated circuits with radio antennas built in by 2010, I wonder if this technology can me melded to provided better range and gain. For example, if your PDA is the size of a 100mm square chip and is embedded in your neck, you can get a range of 10 meters instead of one.

  4. Brain Cancer? by FortKnox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How does this affect the old "Brain Cancer" study for cell phones?

    I heard that you want the antenna pointing out, not up, now the whole phone's the antenna.

    Anyone know the dealio with this? IANAD, so please take this with a grain of salt.

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    1. Re:Brain Cancer? by dallen · · Score: 2

      Moreover- from the article:

      When the antenna is structurally embedded in a car, it becomes "a very effective radiator" of electromagnetic waves, said Alan L. Haase, chief executive of Skycross. An antenna built into the walls of a building could do the same thing, he said.

      That's what we need, millions of E&M sources built into the plastic surfaces around us...

      On the bright side, the article says the material is such an effective conductor that antennas can be smaller with lower power usage. Hrm, but that doesn't mean the E&M fields are smaller.

    2. Re:Brain Cancer? by Geekboy(Wizard) · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It implies it. EM field size is partialy controlled by power. If the frequency stayed the same, then you would have less power, over a larger area (dissapated). That's good, but I'm still nervous about having a transmitter that close to my head.

    3. Re:Brain Cancer? by DavidBrown · · Score: 2

      I'm not worried about brain cancer. I'm worried about growing even MORE hair on my hands. I've got enough as it is.

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  5. How to make your own incredible shrinking antenna by cscx · · Score: 1, Funny

    1) Place said cell phone into a cold swimming pool.

    2) Watch and learn.

  6. Longer = BAD, right? by intrepidsilence · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm definitely not the athority on this subject, but i thought the antenna was tuned to the proper frequency and that making it longer (or shorter) would make it less effective. Anybody want to speak to this?

    1. Re:Longer = BAD, right? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Informative

      Good question!

      A resonant antenna, cut to exactly half a wavelength, has some advantages but it's not a necessity.

      The advantages are simpler circuit design, because it looks like a pure resistance and doesn't confuse the amplifier, and in theory a simple radiation pattern.

      In practice the pattern will depend on everything in the environment, so good antenna testing is Very Difficult. Take all claims with a grain of salt until you hear that the antenna has been tested on an expensive antenna test range by experienced people.

      When you're dealing with small fractions of a wavelength longer is better. For very short antennas, only a small fraction of the RF leaves as radiation before it's lost as heat from electrical resistance. "Longer is better" means "longer is more efficient".

      BTW you can take advantage of how antennas are affected by nearby objects. If you're in a fringe area, try standing right next to your car, with the base of the antenna level with the roof line. Circle around the car until you're in the right alignment with the cell tower for further optimization.

      Fred KC7YRN

    2. Re:Longer = BAD, right? by vyzar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Longer does not necessarily mean bad, or good.

      Antennae do have to have certain characteristics to resonate and therefore radio a signal effectively, but like many things in life, there is more than one way to do this. It all comes down to the length of the antenna relative to the wavelength of the signal.

      There are various "good" ratios of antenna length to wavelength. And the larger the antenna the better provided that the fit the "good ratio" models.

    3. Re:Longer = BAD, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please mod this up. Rarely do I actually learn something here.

    4. Re:Longer = BAD, right? by SWPadnos · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope.

      The frequency of an antenna is determined by its' size and the speed of current flow in the material (among other things). The "tuning" of an antenna is dependent on what fraction of a wavelength (at the frequency of interest) is present on the antenna element(s) at one time. This is where you get the terms quarter-wave, half-wave, etc.

      A measure of the effectiveness of an antenna is the "capture area". This is the effective size of the antenna. The conductivity of the material is important here - the better the conductor, the smaller the antenna can be made. (actually, some research shows that a superconducting antenna could be infinitessimally small, and still give the capture area of a full-wave antenna.)

      There are a zillion variables in antenna design, and it seems like voodoo, but the net effect is that you can change a bunch of parameters, including the size, and end up with many different antenna configurations tuned to the same frequency.

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    5. Re:Longer = BAD, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please mod ths up. Rarely do I actually learn something about someone learning something here.

    6. Re:Longer = BAD, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please mod this up. Rarely do I actually learn something about someone learning something about someone learning something here.

    7. Re:Longer = BAD, right? by stud_nouveau · · Score: 1

      The length of antenna may be lambda by 4, or mebbe lambda / 8 (lambda is wave length of EM Wave for e.g. @ 950 MHz lambda ~= 32 cm, lambda/4 = 8 cm).

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    8. Re:Longer = BAD, right? by bpowell423 · · Score: 2

      Antennas work best in multiples of the wavelength of the frequency. It is my understanding that antennas get better the longer they are, but that would only be true at multiples of the wavelength. I.E. if you antenna is tuned at a certain length, doubling it would be good, but just extending it a bit would cause the signal to get worse. Then again... I could be wrong. My dad's a HAM, but that doesn't mean I know anything. :)

  7. dangerous? by Sarin · · Score: 2

    This assumes that cellphones can give you braincancer (they certainly can give you headaches;)

    This makes the antenna bigger. That means that the phone will send the braincancer waves to a bigger part of your brain, don't it? And it will be more difficult to shield the antenna because the outside of the phone will be a complete antenna. Also a larger antenna doesn't neccesarely mean that it's better, I believe that for every wavelength there's an optimal size (if I remember correctly).

    1. Re:dangerous? by pacc · · Score: 1

      If that's the case it should only be better.

      A larger affected volume in the brain would actually lower the risks, think of a magnifier and an ant.

      Second, a more effective antenna could help in decreasing the effect needed to keep the link to the basestation and further reduce the risk.

      But there's always the point that the "shell antenna" will be selected for cosmetic reasons, only proper testing will tell you which phone to select if you are concerned about radiation.

    2. Re:dangerous? by SSJ2+Labsuit · · Score: 1

      This assumes that cellphones can give you braincancer

      Why assume that? AFAIK, the only argument ever advanced for this was from a guy whose wife died of brain cancer. She was constantly using a cellphone, and developed a tumor right next to where she always held the phone. The guys argument was essentially, "It's obvious! It *has* to be the phone that gave her cancer! What else could it be?"

      In actual studies there has been no correlation shown between cellphone use and brain cancer. A lot of people use cellphones, and have been for years. Wouldn't there be vastly more cases of brain cancer than there are, if it was such a risk?

    3. Re:dangerous? by Maddog+Batty · · Score: 2, Informative

      This assumes that cellphones can give you braincancer of which there is NO peer reviewed evidance.

      (they certainly can give you headaches;) not from the phone though speaking to the inlaws can cause this :-) There is some evidance that mobile phone use can improve your memory but that's about it. Mobile phones have not been proved to be safe but then this will never be possible. It has been proved that the dangers are far less than the dangers of using a mobile phone whilst driving which kills many many people every day.

      This makes the antenna bigger. That means that the phone will send the braincancer waves to a bigger part of your brain, don't it? The size of the antenna does change its performance but a larger antenna can mean either a performance gain or a performance loss. A simple antenna wants to be 1/4 of the wavelength of the signal it is transmitting. Either bigger or smaller will reduce its performance. You are also missing a very important point. An improvement in the antenna means that the signal driving it can be reduced so as to save battery life. The signal strength generated by a mobile phone is adjusted to be as weak as possible so as to just make a reliable connection. Therefore the radiated output from the phone will be the same.

      And it will be more difficult to shield the antenna because the outside of the phone will be a complete antenna. Mobile phone shields do not work. The phone simply increases the signal strength to compensate for any changes any so called shields provide. Transmission measurements in lab conditions have shown that shields make no difference at all.

      Also a larger antenna doesn't neccesarely mean that it's better. Correct. However a larger antenna "could" be better.

      I believe that for every wavelength there's an optimal size (if I remember correctly). The ideal length for a 1/4 wavelength antenna used on a mobile operating at 900MHz is 75mm. However, there are other options apart from 1/4 wavelength antennas.

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    4. Re:dangerous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Headaches? Are you nuts? You claim a 0.3 Watt handheld phone can give you a headache, but the 50,000 Watt FM transmitters you listen to every day don't? If a RF transmitter could give you a headache, you'd hear about people wanting to move away from radio stations.z

    5. Re:dangerous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "brain cancer waves?" That and the fact that your domain name includes "scriptkiddies" stinks of trolldom to me.

  8. Or... by NiftyNews · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or you can just plug yourself into a high-yield electrical outlet and become the antenna!

  9. "a very effective radiator" by mosch · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Am I the only person who doesn't particularly like the idea of "a very effective radiator" next to my head part of the time, and next to my balls the rest of the time?

    It'd be nice to not have an antenna to break off, but I don't want it to be any more effective than the current ones, unless it's more directional, which the article does not indicate it is. More effective cell coverage seems a better solution to me.

    On the other hand, some of the other applications sound mighty nice, especially for military vehicles and such.

    1. Re:"a very effective radiator" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Am I the only person who doesn't particularly like the idea of "a very effective radiator" next to my head part of the time, and next to my balls the rest of the time?

      You assume everyone reading /. *has* balls.

      Ok, fairly reasonable assumption, I guess.

    2. Re:"a very effective radiator" by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Am I the only person who doesn't particularly like the idea of "a very effective radiator" next to my head part of the time, and next to my balls the rest of the time?

      Then you had better stay away from table lamps - they're far more effective at spewing radiation than your cellphone

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    3. Re:"a very effective radiator" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually he isn't. At least you couldn't draw that conclusion from what he wrote. He asked if he was the only one with a combination of head, balls and disliking the idea of a radiator near them, not if everyone matched that description.

    4. Re:"a very effective radiator" by spamacon · · Score: 1

      I think the quote from the article was: "When the antenna is structurally embedded in a car, it becomes "a very effective radiator" of electromagnetic waves...". So, unless you are storing a car in your pants, or attaching it to your head, you probably are ok. Actually, if you are storing a car in your pants, or attaching it to your head, you are a lot worse off.

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    5. Re:"a very effective radiator" by clmensch · · Score: 1

      Actually, by the time this material is in widespread use, I expect to be using a bluetooth headset most of the time. Such a headset might isolate the antenna from your head a little better...just as when you extend the antenna on your mobile phone today. Since the distance to the handset is relatively short, the headset won't need a super-duper antenna. But it would be nice for the handset itself to have one of these to improve it's reception.

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    6. Re:"a very effective radiator" by YellowSubRoutine · · Score: 1

      What about laptops? PDA's? meters of utp cable?

    7. Re:"a very effective radiator" by gorilla · · Score: 2

      You really don't want a cellphone antenna to be directional - if it was, you'd have to point the cell phone directly at the cell site.

    8. Re:"a very effective radiator" by onion2k · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then you had better stay away from table lamps - they're far more effective at spewing radiation than your cellphone

      The last time I held a table lamp to my head Iwas told to see a doctor.. as for the time I held one to my balls.. well..

    9. Re:"a very effective radiator" by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First off, it radiates radio waves, as you seem to understand. It doesn't radiate alpha particles or gamma rays or any such fission by-products. It's radiation, but not nearly as bad as the name implies to some.

      Some persons believe the EM radiation given off by cell phones is a hazard to your health; I actually tend to agree. The problem is, you can't make it less of an issue by using a crappy antenna. If the antenna is worse, you just generate a stronger signal to overcome that limitation. The power needed to contact the cell tower remains the same.

      So, you will have the same amount of radiation emitted into your brain cave whether or not the phone's antenna is efficient. You might as well just get an efficient antenna and save batter power, instead of holding back the tech out of paranoia.

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    10. Re:"a very effective radiator" by squaretorus · · Score: 2

      "applications sound mighty nice"

      Combine this technology with a flat panel speaker in your LCD screen, and some batteries created using similar technologies where the case (dammit the KEYS) of your laptop ARE the battery and you get one hell of a light, dense piece of kit.

      With an antenna of that area you'd get great reception even in MY house!

    11. Re:"a very effective radiator" by avdp · · Score: 3, Informative

      There was a widely reported study (in the US anyway) about radiations of various cellphone and their possible connection to brain cancer. This report was also broadcasted on 60 minutes or 20/20 or Dateline (one of those news magazine, forgot which).

      And essentially, it came out that the Motorolla Startacs were the best because the the flip design - the antenna is at an angle, farthest from your head, and partially shielded by the part of the cellphone that flipped up (I don't think Motorolla designed this phone thinking about brain cancer, they just got lucky). The worse were the Nokias where the antenna is straight up on top of the phone and so when you talk on the phone is close (if not touching your head).

      I guess what I am getting at is that the original poster definetely has a point. If you make the whole casing of the cell phone the antenna, wouldn't that potentially be bad? It's one think to have radio wave all over the air, it's another to stick your head on the emitter.

    12. Re:"a very effective radiator" by Wumpus · · Score: 1

      All you need is a long fishing rod attached to your hat (you do wear a hat, don't you?) with the cell phone dangling from it, a good six to nine feet away.

      That's what I plan to do when I get a leash... Urrr...cell phone.

    13. Re:"a very effective radiator" by zmooc · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and eye cancer [com.com] [com.com] (just to emphasize the rather ridiculous domain name:P). Although this study was a bit small (as the researchers say themselves), the results aren't too accurate. But the conclusion is that cellphone users are 3 times more likely to develop cancer of the eye.

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    14. Re:"a very effective radiator" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next generation cellphone technology actually includes directional antennas, but instead of statically choosing a direction, which would have the consequence you describe, these antennas can be "programmed" to focus their beam in one direction. I'm not sure if that is going to go into the phones, but it certainly is an option for the cell tower.

    15. Re:"a very effective radiator" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do wear a hat, and it is already conveniently made of tinfoil.

    16. Re:"a very effective radiator" by gorilla · · Score: 2
      No argument about the cell tower, it's standard nowadays in all except for rural cells, you can have 4 or more cells from the same tower, by ensuring that each cell is radiated from a different pointing antenna. This lets you reuse frequencies much more than you would be able to with omnidirectional antennas, giving high celler density, and therefore more cell phone users able to connect at one time.

      For phones, I doubt if it would be worthwile, you'd have to have a variable directional antenna, which can be done, but it's complicated compared to fixed directional antennas, and they are relativily inefficent. Also the phone would have to be able to detect the best orientation for the antenna, and vary it quickly enough not to loose signal. To me, this means that it would actually cost power, instead of saving it, and saving power is the only reason that I can think of for switching to directional antennas on the phone.

    17. Re:"a very effective radiator" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm aware of segmented antennas on current cell towers. What I was writing about is different: The antenna can vary the intensity within the cell to reduce the amount of energy sent into directions without phone activity. The industry term for this technology is "smart antenna".Antenova claim that with their technology smart antennas can be used in cell phones.

  10. Ummm what external antenna? by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My Nokia 3330 (and I believe most nokias) already doesn't have an external antenna, so what's the big deal? Perhaps the antenna would effectivly be larger but again, I don't see a great deal of point in that, it's very rare that I get less than about 75% signal strength already, and there's more cells going up all the time.

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    1. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you outside the USA ? The US is about the only developed country in the world not to adopt GSM. They use a pretty creaky old system that operates at a much lower frequency. The result of this is that you need a bigger antenna.

    2. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by liquidsin · · Score: 2

      I have the 3390, and it's the same thing. I'm in a poor reception area as it is, but my signal strength is usually pretty good. Now my service provider on the other hand...

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    3. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1

      Yes I am, I'm in the UK where we have 4 excellent GSM networks, each with over 99 % coverage of the UK. I understand the situation in the rest of Europe is pretty much the same.

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    4. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by bluesangria · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yes, but look at it from the perspective of the cell phone signal providers. They can sell more phones if 1) their phones can pick up signals from further away and 2) they save money because they don't need to have as many towers for coverage.


      While I'm not an electrical expert, I see tons of potential for this. How about instead of that ugly TV antenna on your house, you just place a conductive plastic layer all over your roof?

    5. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by Jetboy01 · · Score: 1

      on these phones the antenna is internal.
      If you open the back case the plate at the top below the power button and behind the screen is the actual antenna, just think how much smaller the phone would be if this could be removed. the biggest part of a phone would become the battery.

    6. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by dslbrian · · Score: 3, Informative

      I design cellphone ICs for a living, so I can tell you that this could potentially be a "big deal". Reason is that high gain antennas mean you can either get longer range OR you can get the same range at a lower power.

      If the PA (power amp) in the phone was connected to a high gain antenna, and did not have to put out as much power to reach the cell tower, that translates directly into a major power savings (the PA is one of the dominant power drains). Power savings means I don't need as big of a battery in the phone, which means I can shrink the battery and make the phone lighter and smaller and (very importantly) cheaper. Phones that are lighter and smaller sell better, this means $$$ for anyone who can make it work.

      And of course when the company makes $$$, that means big bonuses for all us working in the trenches, which gets back to the "big deal" part..

    7. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1
      interesting points - but here in the uk, there is already an awful lot of overlap between cells and we're almost at 100 % coverage - I guess they could tear down some cells to save on running costs.

      We have cable tv so the roof analagy doesn't apply to me but I take your point :)

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    8. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1
      My phone is already tiny enough - but maybe there's mileage in reducing the size of integrated pda/phone type devices - but even with those the limit is the screen size, you can't make that too small.


      Possibly when we get truly wearable computers where the image is projected directly onto your retina (which would be really cool for me as I'm already a spectacle wearer) and the cpu etc is a little box in your pocket, then I can understand how it would be beneficial.

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    9. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the excellent explanation, now increased battery life and smaller power output I would defineitly go for! As to phone size, they're already way too small for a lot of people (including my wife) - my llast phone was the Motorola v3688 which was tiny (but crap battery life) and now they're making them even smaller - unless you want to walk around with a headset/mic all day long, most curreny phones are too small.

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    10. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by jafuser · · Score: 2

      Additional (seemingly redundant) towers are erected to provide additional capacity, not necessarily to improve signal strength. More towers operating at lower power (and instructing the phones to transmit at lower power) means more people can use the same radio frequency.

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    11. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by IsaacW · · Score: 1

      Well, you can't actually talk about a high-gain attenna in a cellphone application unless you want to require that the handset be constantly pointed in the direction of the tower. Of course, you can hope for higher efficiency antennas that will radiate more of the input power as useful energy.

      The only gain an antenna can provide is if it directs the outgoing radiation into a non-omnidirectional path, thus favoring certain directions to others. An antenna is a passive device, and cannot provide any kind of omnidirectional gain whatsoever. Of course, an antenna that only loses 1dB of input power over one that loses 3dB of input power is certainly still better.

    12. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by boster · · Score: 1
      In CDMA (and please note that if GSM providers move to 3G, they will also be going to a version of CDMA), the entire game is to always minimize power. A better antenna means you can broadcast with less power. As mentioned, battery life and size is also a constraint, but it's even more fundamental than that.

      You share all the spectrum with all local users in CDMA (it's spread spectrum as opposed to working by putting users into channels like TDMA/GSM and AMPS). It only works by having everyone broadcast at minimal power. The analogy is to imagine everyone in your cell at a party talking. You can hear the people you are talking to if everyone agrees to talk only loud enough to be heard. If someone starts yelling, everyone has to speak up (more power) and yet more noise is generated, and so on. (Since everything is encoded, you don't hear signal from other conversations, you only get noise -- this is also fundamental to how CDMA works.)

      Better antennas essentially enable more capacity in a cell -- they are one of the weaker links in the whole system, so an improvement there helps a lot.

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    13. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by segfaultdot · · Score: 1

      Not the same thing, though. The nokia 88xx (and the 33xx, i think) have a small internal antenna in a little compartment on the back. It could still benefit from the "case antenna."

    14. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by segfaultdot · · Score: 1

      Are you outside the USA ? The US is about the only developed country in the world not to adopt GSM. They use a pretty creaky old system that operates at a much lower frequency. The result of this is that you need a bigger antenna.

      Not so. There are the following systems in the usa:

      AMPS: 800 mhz ancient analogue system
      GSM: 900/1900 mhz (voicestream)
      TDMA 800/1900 mhz (att, cingular, etc)
      CDMA 800/1900 mhz (sprint)

      So you see, GSM and (t|c)dma run at the same (higher) frequency. Frankly however, i do wish more carriers used GSM, since the rest of the world uses it. If i travel to europe with my phone, it would be a paperweight.

    15. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      There are the following systems in the usa:
      AMPS: 800 mhz ancient analogue system
      GSM: 900/1900 mhz (voicestream)
      TDMA 800/1900 mhz (att, cingular, etc)
      CDMA 800/1900 mhz (sprint)
      So you see, GSM and (t|c)dma run at the same (higher) frequency.


      The above frequencies are mostly true for Canada as well (not sure about the 900 though).
      In the UK, GSM is 900Mhz, on the European continent it's 1800Mhz

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    16. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The US is about the only developed country in the world not to adopt GSM"

      In the US, we have something called a "free market". If the carriers don't want to use GSM for whatever reason, the government is not going to force them to.

      And, no, several carriers in the US use high-frequency systems such as CDMA (Sprint), TDMA (ATT & Friends), and, yes, even GSM (VoiceStream).

      So, no, we have not "adopted" GSM. Certain mobile carriers have adopted GSM. There are several different standards and networks in the US. Before 1994, digital phone service (of any type) was rare in the US - now it's the standard. You may very well piss your pants if US carriers get 3G service before those in the rest of the world (excluding Japan) do. The US faces challenges when deploying new moblie services, mainly the fact that the US is larger than most of western Europe.

      (this was a flame)

    17. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by Kanasta · · Score: 2

      The big deal is, it would use LESS BATTERY POWER.

      I cannot believe you don't get less than 75% signal. Have you never been inside a building and have it disappear in the lifts? While some places you will still have non 0% in the lifts.

    18. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1

      Nope. I work next door to the building that has the cell antenna on it. There's just one little spot on the train line that I can't get a signal, that lasts for about 30 seconds so I can live with that.

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    19. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by dbateman · · Score: 1
      Higher gain antenna means directivity. So where exact is you base station relative to the phone? You you want to make your users turn thier heads to get the best reception?


      So although as you say high gain antennas help you, keep them in the base stations.


      D.

  11. Doubling the output power? by psyconaut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You don't want the output power to actually be doubled...you want it to be just right, and your output power is effectively government by the cellsite that you're using for your upstream transmission.

    So hopefully this will just end up as a more *efficient* antenna and not a more powerful one ;-)

    I can also see some cellphone manufacturers not wanting to cast their phones in silcone -- preferring ABS.

    Plus, I wonder that without an RF "hotspot" where the antenna is, would this phone have a *better* chance of irradiating your head?

    1. Re:Doubling the output power? by Ioldanach · · Score: 1

      Plus, I wonder that without an RF "hotspot" where the antenna is, would this phone have a *better* chance of irradiating your head?

      I'd been chuckling at the em-irradiating of the head comments until I read this one. It actually presents an interesting thought...

      A standard antenna radiates from where the antenna is, thus bombarding the area of the head closest to it with strong EM waves. But, with the whole phone broadcasting the waves, the antenna is larger, power output observed near infinity is the same (because, as you say, the output power is 'just enough'), and therefore the average power/cm^2 of antenna is lower. Therefore, you have a larger area of the head being bombarded, but with a significantly reduced power level. I'd tend to say that the lower power level received per cell (biological cell, not cell-tower cell) would actually make the larger/less powerful antenna better for you.

    2. Re:Doubling the output power? by Isao · · Score: 1

      Most digital phone systems use something called "Forward Power Control". The base (tower) will instruct your handset to reduce its power output to just above the minimum required to maintain the connection. This serves several purposes, like increasing your battery life when in a good covereage area, and not having nearby handsets overshadow distant ones.

    3. Re:Doubling the output power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      D'oh, if it outputs at twice the power, then it only needs _half_ the input power of current antennas for same output power, right? That would be exactly more efficient antenna. More efficient antenna means longer battery life. Which is good.

  12. CyberPhone? by Aaron_Pike · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You know, some rejection-resistant artificial bones are made of plastics. Cochlear implanted speakers, remote control (or heck, subdermal) input for dialing and playing wacky snake games, subvocal microphones, and you've got an extremely subtle telephone system.

    Imagine all the implanted execs actually looking forward to boring meetings to call up their dial-a-pr0n.

    1. Re:CyberPhone? by carm$y$ · · Score: 1

      I imagine your execs combining this technology with this :)

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  13. Shocking! by FurryFeet · · Score: 1, Funny

    Gotta love those dry days, when you're walking on a thick carpet and your phone rings.
    Hope you don't keep it in your pants pocket.

  14. No evidence whatsoever. by carlcmc · · Score: 1

    All thorough studies with this topic have demonstrated no statistical significant difference between the general population and those that use cell phones.

    1. Re:No evidence whatsoever. by sbrown123 · · Score: 0

      That is incorrect. People using cell phones while driving are more likely to get into car wreaks than those not.

  15. Redundant? by DickPhallus · · Score: 2, Informative

    With antenna-less phones, like the Nokia 8260 and the Nokia 3360, I don't worry about antennas anyway, and these phones are here now, and work with my wireless company!

    Disclaimer: I'm not an employee of either, but I do use rogers...

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    1. Re:Redundant? by monkeydo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, the antenna on those phones is inside the case. This technolgy would allow the case to be the antenna, eliminating the need for any seperate internal or external antenna. This in turn allows the phone to be smaller and more efficient.

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    2. Re:Redundant? by DickPhallus · · Score: 1

      But take a look at the dimensions on those phones? Do they really need to get any smaller? Besides, battery size and the size of the human finger will keep phones around the same size they are now, because if they actually get any smaller, they will be harder to use.

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    3. Re:Redundant? by monkeydo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fuel cell technology will enable smaller batteries, and in the future your phone may be nothing more than a card in your wallet and you will talk on your wireless headset.

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    4. Re:Redundant? by seann · · Score: 1

      voice dialing
      "dial mavis"
      "dial nine oh five three seven four, three two five eight"

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    5. Re:Redundant? by DickPhallus · · Score: 1

      Naw, I think I'll stick to phone. Wearing a headset all the time is a pain. The phone is easier to hand off to someone else too.

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  16. Will a longer antenna be helpful or harmful? by Muddie · · Score: 5, Informative

    800 MHz cellular has a wavelength of approximately 37 centimeters, about 15 inches. So an ideal antenna would be half that, about seven and a half inches. This refers to the dipole, the distance from the tip of the antenna to the opposite end of the antenna buried inside the phone somewhere (usually near the bottom). 1900 MHz PCS has a wavelength of approximately 16 centimeters, about six inches. So the ideal antenna dipole is about 3 inches.

    The ideal antenna performs best if it is exactly perpendicular to the impinging waveform. In practice the orientation of the phone is somewhat random; the antenna will be pointed approximately upward, but probably at a slant. So cell phone manufacturers generally try to make the antenna 5/8's of a waveform, because if the antenna is at a slant, its cross-section relative to the impinging waveform will be near to the ideal half a wavelength. For a dual-band phone, one which operates at both 1900 and at 800 MHz, it's obvious that determining the antenna length is a bit of a problem. (But not insoluble; it's just a compromise. Since digital is usually more resilient than AMPS, usually the length is optimized for 800 MHz.)

    Making the antenna shorter will both decrease the amount of incoming signal the phone receives, and will make the phone's transmitter less efficient. But CDMA operates over a very wide range of effective powers, and it can usually compensate. That's why the phone will usually work with the antenna down. And because it's digital, if it is working it will sound exactly the same. This has lead some people to conclude that the antenna is not actually doing anything for them, which is not quite correct. While the phone can operate with the antenna down, it's easier on the phone if you raise the antenna; it has more signal ceiling to work with and will be less likely to drop the call. Also, it will use somewhat less transmit power, and your battery will last somewhat longer.

    Making it longer with some sort of extension is worse than useless; it actually degrades the signal. If the antenna is exactly one wavelength long and is exactly perpendicular to the impinging waveform, it will pick up essentially no signal at all.

    When it reaches one and a half wavelengths, signal strength is again maximized, but for physical reasons it's a bit lower than the strength with a half-wavelength antenna. (The physical reason is that the antenna is not an ideal conductor.)

    [stolen directly from the CDMA FAQ

    1. Re:Will a longer antenna be helpful or harmful? by cats-paw · · Score: 2
      The ideal antenna performs best if it is exactly perpendicular to the impinging waveform.

      This is somewhat misleading.

      You should really be talking about the relative orientations of the TX and RX antennas.

      It then depends on the polarization of the RX antenna and the polarization of the TX antenna.

      If the incoming wave and the antenna have the same polarizations, and the antenna is "perpendicular" to the incoming wave, you'll actually get 0 signal. You want the antenna to be "parallel".

      What cell phones really need from improved performance is diversity, i.e. 2 antennas, perferably of differing polarizations.

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    2. Re:Will a longer antenna be helpful or harmful? by The+MoMo+King · · Score: 0

      I believe its not the size of the antenna that is harmful but the power(WATTS) that the phone is producing. I guess if you have a better antenna, the phone wouldn't have to emmit as much power to connect to the cell towers. Of course if we allowed the tower companys to put up more towers the antenna is a moot point.

    3. Re:Will a longer antenna be helpful or harmful? by rcw-home · · Score: 2
      What cell phones really need from improved performance is diversity, i.e. 2 antennas, perferably of differing polarizations.

      That would involve something like a turnstile antenna.

      Those four elements you see in the top picture would each be 3.5" long. You could call them "ugly sticks", because there's no way you could conceal more than two of them in a cell phone's case.

      If the incoming wave and the antenna have the same polarizations, and the antenna is "perpendicular" to the incoming wave, you'll actually get 0 signal. You want the antenna to be "parallel".

      In theory, yes, in empty space one can get over 30db of signal discrimination by choosing the opposite polarization - in practice however, the signal bounces all over everything between your cellphone and the tower, so signals of all polarization get through. Otherwise you'd instantly drop calls every time you held your phone horizontally or pointed your phone's dipole directly at the tower (assuming your phone could only reach one tower).

      Cellphone towers are all vertically polarized (almost all amateur and business-band radio is as well). Broadcast TV/radio is horizontally polarized.

    4. Re:Will a longer antenna be helpful or harmful? by Muddie · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily true. The phone still needs a lot of power to carry out it's "idle" tasks.

      By far the most important thing it does is to wake periodically and turn on its receiver briefly to see if it has been paged, which means to find out if there is an incoming call. This happens on what is known as a slot cycle, and the period of the slot cycle is controlled by the cell (for all intents and purposes). Slot cycle indices are numbers from 0 to 7, and for any index the period is 1.28 seconds multiplied by 2^index. In North America, by far the most common slot cycle indices are 1 and 2, which indicates a period of 2.56 seconds or 5.12 seconds respectively. I haven't heard of anyone using anything longer than this, though the specification supports slot cycles of 163.84 seconds.

      The receiver consumes quite a lot of power. relatively speaking, and the purpose of the slot cycle is to permit the phone to keep the receiver turned off most of the time. This is vital to extend battery life. When the phone first registers with a cell, the cell and phone determine which paging channel the phone will use (if there is more than one) and what phase of the slot cycle that phone will use. Thereafter, the phone wakes periodically, turns its receiver on briefly to see if it has an incoming call or if there is other traffic from the cell it must respond to, and if there is nothing then it shuts the receiver down again and waits until the next slot time.

      When an incoming call arrives at the cell for a given phone, the phone system generates the sound of a phone ringing as a comfort tone back to the caller, and the cell waits until the slot time for the phone. When it comes around, the cell sends a message to the phone telling it that there is an incoming call. This causes the phone to waken and set up the call, and to begin to ring.

      If the phone doesn't respond to the page, the cell may try again on the next slot.

      The advantage of a longer slot cycle is that the phone spends a lower percentage of the time with its receiver on and thus the battery will last longer. It also means there is more capacity on the paging channel. The advantage of a shorter slot cycle is that the phone gets more chances to receive the page, and will receive the page sooner.

      When the cell system needs to send out that page, it obviously needs to know where to broadcast it. The cell system as a whole will be divided into zones, and when a phone is paged, every sector of every cell in the zone it's in will carry the page. This means that no matter where the phone is located in that zone, it will receive the page. When the phone moves from one zone to another, it registers again, which permits the cell to know where it is located. The size and layout of the zones is another tradeoff: if the zones are large, the traffic channels will carry a great deal of redundant paging information and can become overloaded, but the phone doesn't have to perform zone-based registration very often as it moves around, which means its battery will last longer. On the other hand, if the zones are small then the paging channels are used more efficiently but the phone will need to register more often and thus will use more battery power.

      You may have noticed that when you turn your phone off it takes several seconds for it to actually shut down. That's because it is sending a message to the cell to tell the cell that the phone is going offline. However, the phone can go down unexpectedly without having the chance to send this to the cell (for instance, the battery could be popped from the phone unexpectedly while the phone is operating, which is generally not recommended), and in that case the phone would be offline but the cell wouldn't know it. That would then mean that the cell would try to handle an incoming call for that phone by paging it even though the phone was off, and it generally means that the cell's database would be loaded with entries for phones which aren't available. As a long term recovery for that, the phone is required in most systems to do timer-based registration, which means that every ten or twenty minutes it turns its transmitter on to let the cell know that it's still there. If the cell misses a couple of these registrations in a row, it decides that the phone has gone offline and removes it from the database of "phones which are currently turned on".

      Under some circumstances, the cell system can directly challenge the phone for a registration. This happens on the paging channel at the slot, and when the phone receives this message, it turns its transmitter on and sends a registration immediately.

      If there is pending voice mail for the phone, the phone will be told on a slot to alert its user of this fact.

      All of these registration messages sent by the phone are nearly identical, and they simply identify the phone and contain a few other important pieces of information about it. Despite how it sounds, they (deliberately) don't happen very often and (deliberately) represent a negligible impact on standby time. But they are necessary for the phone system as a whole to work properly.

      Of course, the phone is also updating its display to show the current date and time and signal strength and amount of energy remaining in the battery, and perhaps other things depending on the phone model.

    5. Re:Will a longer antenna be helpful or harmful? by DarkEntropy · · Score: 1

      Half wave antennas are not ideal, they are merely easy to center-feed. Most portable devices use quarter wave antennas because they are easy to end-feed, and are half as long as half wave antennas. Five eighth wave antennas are improvements on quarter wave end-fed antennas in that they have somewhat better azimuthal gain than quarter wave, with slightly more complicated feed point circuitry. End-fed antennas longer than 5/8 wave actually have reduced azimuthal gain due to the presence of minor lobes.

  17. The quality of reporting is often poor. by Futurepower(tm) · · Score: 2


    From the article:

    "Integral is even talking to a provider of satellite tracking services about turning truck bumpers into giant antennas by making them out of a rubbery blend of the new material."

    Although it has improved in recent years, the quality of reporting of technical issues is often very poor. Truck bumpers are already metal. Why not just insulate them from the truck body, and use that as an antenna? The article does not say.

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    1. Re:The quality of reporting is often poor. by DJTodd242 · · Score: 1

      Fairly simple. A truck bumper is basically a horizontal peice of metal. Therefore it would be horizontally polarized. Which, unfortunately, is the opposite of the polarization of the receiving antenna.

      This doesn't mean that it wouldn't work, but it would be very inefficient.

  18. Ironic quote at the bottom by carlcmc · · Score: 1

    Here we are talking about cell phones and some of the paranoid folks are worrying about brain cancer (although there is no statistical significant difference between cell phone users and non users) and I see the quote at the bottom of the page. Arnold's Addendum: Anything not fitting into these categories causes cancer in rats. made me laugh...

    1. Re:Ironic quote at the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont think cell phones have been around long enough for you to be saying that theres no difference in cancer risks for cell and non-cell phones users.

  19. The laws of physics haven't changed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sad part is that the laws of changes haven't changed, and people are being duped into thinking that all of these small antennae will actually be efficient.

    Even sadder are the charlatans on TV advertising drop-in antennas for cell phones that purportedly increase the range of a cell phone. The FTC has already cracked down on the so-called "shields"; it's time they got together with the FCC to publically keel-haul the "antenna" vendors.

    Any high school physics books will have the equation describing the relationship between frequency and wavelength of an electromagnetic wave. Just because some clown can hook a 1cm bit of copper to a chip without any impedance matching or other attempt to make it resonate, doesn't mean it's done properly.

    OTOH, having these inefficient antennas will help reduce the noise floor on the bands involved which, after all are shared on a secondary basis with other users who'd like to be able to hear each other. (Yes, and I was a 75W rockbound Novice, and my Extra is a real one that required 20WPM!)

  20. Retrofit? by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2

    Can one make replacement battery covers or back covers that would serve as the antenna? My tiny little Nokia with the internal antenna could sure use some help.

  21. This is nothing..try fractal antennas. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 3, Interesting



    Amusingly, Slashdot rejected an article submission I had for fractal antennas and how they are vastly superior in terms of reception to whats on the market today. Better than the stuff mentioned in this article, certianly.

    Cheers, and yes PROPAGANDA will be back soon.

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  22. Radiation on cell phones by GdoL · · Score: 0, Redundant

    that could prevent the increase of radiation on cell phones? A major problem with them.

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  23. I wonder what by MsWillow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What the changes in impedance will be from user to user? Will having sweaty palms make much difference? And, while a larger antenna might seem better, would it be directional, varying with the shape of the phone?

    I'm not sure that I want my hand and face even closer to the source of the RF radiation. Doesn't the field strength vary with the inverse cube of distance? There's not much distance when you're touching the antenna.

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  24. Uhuh... by Pyrosz · · Score: 1

    So, your telling me that a general manager created this? Riiiight. Most general managers can't even turn on a cell phone without being shown 2-3 times first. I bet some poor shlub from engineering created it first and the manager took all the credit. ;)

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    1. Re:Uhuh... by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful
      So, your telling me that a general manager created this? Riiiight.

      My manager designed antenna assemblies for the space shuttle. He also designed parts of the Mariner system for the Venus landings. He wrote code for computer systems that are designed to reboot themselves every 30 milliseconds. You try coding under that kind of constraint.

      The president of the company did spooky work on spy satellites. He still won't talk about it. But man, that guy hates Communists with a passion...

      And both of them could code circles around 99% of the people on Slashdot. Just because a person becomes a manager doesn't mean he becomes an idiot.

    2. Re:Uhuh... by Pyrosz · · Score: 1

      Please not the ;) as I was JOKING. Sheesh.

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    3. Re:Uhuh... by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I believe you, BUT did they do those things while they were managers, or before they were promoted?

      It's a real problem, one that both IBM and many school systems face: how do you reward your best people? Traditionally, they get promoted, and one often finds that great researchers then become competent administrators (if you're lucky). You've lost a PhD and gained an MBA. Similarly many teachers become principals and are lost to the classroom.

      IBM came up with Fellowships for these guys -- recognition and money, but they can still get their hands dirty. Some school systems are creating titles like "Master Teacher", and giving them some authority to buck the system but letting them continue to teach.

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  25. General Manager by sheetzam · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Ok, who believes it was really the general manager who came up with this thing?

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  26. Other applications? by The+MoMo+King · · Score: 1, Interesting

    How easily can this be ported to say using a plastic computer case for an antenna for wireless lan or how about a cordless phone? With all the plastic in cars ... imagine the reception you could get? Would this mean that my alarm radio will finally get good reception? Could I finally have a decent wireless link for my TiVo!?

  27. Cool by KingKire64 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So now ill be able to have teh effect of holding a brick of plutionum next to my head with a cell phone


    YUMMY, CANCER!

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  28. Tape-in antennas? by Drachemorder · · Score: 2
    What about those little "tape-in" antennas they're advertising on TV all the time these days? Do they do anything at all? What I see in the ads makes me highly doubt they change anything. It seems like some good old-fashioned snake oil to me --- something for the suckers.

    Anybody know the physics (or lack thereof) behind these things?

    1. Re:Tape-in antennas? by kzinti · · Score: 2

      What about those little "tape-in" antennas they're advertising on TV all the time these days? Do they do anything at all

      Yes. They separate the ignorant from their money. For more information see: Barnum, P.T.

      --Jim

    2. Re:Tape-in antennas? by Drachemorder · · Score: 1
      For more information see: Barnum, P.T.

      Yup. Gadgets like that really prove that Barnum was right.

    3. Re:Tape-in antennas? by Warin · · Score: 1

      Of COURSE they work. And there is a scientific reason too...

      Main Entry: placebo

      Function: noun

      Inflected Form(s): plural -bos

      Etymology: -- more at PLEASE

      Date: 13th century

      1 /plä-'chA-(")bO/ [Middle English, from Latin, I shall please, from placEre to please] : the Roman Catholic vespers for the dead

      2 /pl&-'sE-/ [Latin, I shall please] a (1) : a medication prescribed more for the mental relief of the patient than for its actual effect on a disorder (2) : an inert or innocuous substance used especially in controlled experiments testing the efficacy of another substance (as a drug) b : something tending to soothe

      Shamelessly lifted from Mirriam Webster.

      I work at a cellular dealer and you wouldnt believe HOW many people I have that swear these things really work. I tell them to look at said dictionary entry. Few of them get it. Sometimes I wish we carried the damn things (Hey, fast cash) but my boss and I just couldnt bring ourselves to sling snake oil.

  29. re fractals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wait a minute, I thought there was a NYTimes article about fractal antennas a while back... or was that slashdot? Where was it - anybody remember this?

  30. login-free link by shivan · · Score: 2, Informative

    since noone has posted it yet, i guess my karma-whoring is as good as any ..

    login free link

    1. Re:login-free link by ectoraige · · Score: 1

      Could moderators actually logout from nytimes, then test the link, instead of assuming that it works. It doesn't.

      I could karma whore, but I won't.

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  31. all fake by rebelcool · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ive lost the link to the article, but the FTC is taking them on for deceptive marketing. they do nothing, and in some cases, actually reduce reception..

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    1. Re:all fake by Drachemorder · · Score: 2

      That's what I thought. I couldn't think of ANY physical reason why those things should work.

    2. Re:all fake by billh · · Score: 2

      Just out of curiousity, I bought one of these for a few bucks at a computer show last year. I had the field test codes for my phone (Samsung SCH-3500, Sprint PCS) and a wide open area outside the computer show to do my testing.

      It did improve reception a very small amount, but only in some cirsumstances. End result, I could walk up and down the stairs in my house without the call dropping, and I could stand about 2 feet further from the window than before (reception at that house was awful). I've since moved on to a better phone, and I don't lose calls except when the network drops out completely (one of the local towers here does that for a few seconds every couple of minutes; everyone with a Sprint phone loses the signal completely).

      So are they great? No. Will they let you talk in an elevator? Probably not. But I did have a few less dropped calls, and that was worth $6 or so.

  32. Operation Acoustic Kitty by sprag · · Score: 2

    Just think if this had been available during the CIA's
    Operation Acoustic Kitty program? They could have made kitty dentures be the antenna, instead of that "hard to maintiain" tail.

    Of course, it'd still have problems with wandering away & getting hit by traffic...

  33. The most amazing thing about this... by FFFish · · Score: 2

    ...in my opinion, is that a general manager did something useful.

    It's a sure sign of the End Times. Gotta be. We'll be seeing pigs fly, next.

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  34. Score one for the pointy-haired bosses! by duffbeer703 · · Score: 3, Funny

    This may be the first time that a General Manager has accomplished anything!

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    1. Re:Score one for the pointy-haired bosses! by j3110 · · Score: 1

      nope... only tricked people into thinking it's an accomplishment. Ask the HAM people why they don't use the roof of their house as an antenna :) Even if it did work, it would transmit harmonics more than the actual signal. That's wasted wattage. They just need better antennas and less wattage, not some crackpot that thinks bigger is better. (really only true for a dish)

      Sadly, I think the score is still 0. You'ld think you would have to know something to be a general manager :)

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  35. Re:First Wank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Even an evening with Herman Goering would be better. Sure he was drunken, Nazi, crazed transvestite, but at least we could have gone dancing."

    --Dave Lister

  36. Minor cell phones by GdoL · · Score: 1

    My cell phone is already on my 'coins' pocket, it is really small. The only think big is the antenna and the battery. If you could also put the battaery small enough and still with a lot of power, we could have a real tiny cell phone.

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  37. This is neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couple this idea with the Aluminium Foil Deflector Beanie and you would have something...

  38. But I thought... by Bob+McCown · · Score: 2, Funny
    it actually increases the size of the antenna while decreasing the footprint

    I thought that your antenna size was related to the size of your feet?

  39. This is a Radiation Hazzard, not a good idea by MrJerryNormandinSir · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Gee... 2.4ghz right in the palm of your hand and
    contact with the ear and skull. Someone should
    do a health study on this. I treat a cell phone
    like fire. And my antennea is as far as it can go away from my head. And I tested it with a meter to see where the safe zone was.

  40. Apple device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Integral Technologies announced that they will be collaborating with Apple on a new PDA-Cellphone device called IgotCancer.

  41. Alien technology... by Shark · · Score: 1

    Imagine just how much Cartman must wish the aliens had that kind of technology after recieving an anal probe from them.

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  42. Re:how do we find all installments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://home.att.net/~nomdreserv/Stories.html

    The story is "Not another medallion."

    You might also like "Slumber Party," found at http://users.transfur.com/dreamtales/sally/srsw.ht ml

  43. Offtopic Comment on your signature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Monopoly is a business term, integration is a technology term, so integration isn't a monopoly, it was the MS method for extending it's OS monopoly for browsers, in effort to control develolment of HTML.

    Secondly, if you want the Konquerer out of KDE, you can do it yourself, because it's open source.

  44. Hmmm I wonder.... by bartenderpho · · Score: 1

    I wonder what something like this could do for my 802.11 airport network.

  45. Tumor as an antenna tuner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Like it or not, your head is part of the antenna. As the microwaves bounce around up there, the tumors would form in areas where the radiation was highest. Once the tumors got to sufficant size, they would resonate, giving you a better signal.

    So, if you all the sudden find that your cell phone is working really good, even in remote places....

  46. Nice idea, by stud_nouveau · · Score: 1

    I guess they wanna embed the antenna in between layers of plastic, similar to what is done on laptop casings for ground plane.(But what about the loading inductor???)

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  47. NOKIA phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Most of the new nokia phones have a hidden antenna - so the foot-print decrease doesn't really apply...

    I don't think this technology will be used anytime soon...

    1. Re:NOKIA phones by stud_nouveau · · Score: 1

      The NOKIA's are too wide, much like a lady on weight gain!

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  48. you sure the inventor was a manager? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if so, then I would like to hire him. I am tired of having fools that are empty suits put in technical positions (marketers, et al) I GOTTA get this guy

  49. Your microwave oven may radiate more than ur Cell by stud_nouveau · · Score: 1

    So better check that out before u try reheating that mug of milk.

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  50. Shinking Phone Footprints by doctorjohn · · Score: 1

    Good, the things are getting smaller. Now there should be no problem for you to shove your cell phone up your butt while you are driving.

  51. The Problem With Wee-Wee's... by horati0 · · Score: 1

    Topic: The Incredible Shrinking Antenna

    Dept: from the two-inches-is-plenty dept.

    and here

    Read whatever psycological significance you want into the above. I'm merely an observer. I will say, however, that for Kathleen's sake, hopefully Taco is just spending lots of time in the pool.

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  52. Oh great, another product to hock on TV... by NetRanger · · Score: 1

    I can see it now:

    "... but now there's the new Case Antenna! It's like adding a five-mile long antenna to your phone!

    Look! We put these two cell phones next to each other on the surface of Mars. The regular phone gets no reception. But the Case Antenna gets reception which violates the laws of physics!

    Amazing!

    The Case Antenna is regularly sold for five million dollars. But with our exclusive TV offer, you can get it for nineteen easy payments of $19.95! (plus what the Antenna actually cost us, disguised as a shipping & handling charge)"

    I'm turning off the TV now...

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  53. Shorting by SudoPenguin · · Score: 1

    What if you get shock your phone while touching it? That would be sending 10,000 volts right up the kazoo!!!

    Sudo Penguin

  54. yummy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one would love a vibrating phone up my butt.

  55. three words: aluminum foil hat by GCP · · Score: 3, Funny

    Matching foil underwear might be nice, too. For the man who has everything....

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  56. Shrinkage = Bad AND the two-inches-is-plenty dept? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poor Taco... or Poor Kathleen.... I sure hope she
    knows about this.

  57. In the age before man by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

    A couple years ago I read about a similar thread of research concerning fractal antennas. You can eiter have an array of fractal elements or a single wire bent into a fractal shape. With the array of elements you can get the range and reception qualities of a random antenna array and still have an efficient system like a regular array. With a single wire you it ends up needing only a fraction of the space it needed before for the same length wire. You can fit a half wavelength dipole inside the housing of the phone quite easily. Jagging the shape of the wire introduces natural capacitance and inductance so less external equipment is needed to tune the antenna. IIRC the single wire antennas used Koch curves. The people who started the research on them formed a company called Fractal Antenna Systems who are trying to work with eantenna manufacturers. Sych antennas could be molded into the plastic case of a cell phone AND be 20% more efficient. A link to Koch curves (java is a good thing to have) is here. I don't remember which SciAm article I read the story from but I think it was in 1999.

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  58. "warm belly button" working on this project?? by rtheman · · Score: 1

    RF in general are never good to any living things (including humans), that's because you are propagating some medium to get a signal across. Just think of the tin can and string sceniro, except you are now making the medium be your head and the air, while the output power/propagation effect (how fast the string is resonating - the can and string sceniro) be micro scale which means resonances in cell levels. As a result, I think any common sense would solve the rest of the questions..

  59. Re:Koch curves by ahaning · · Score: 1

    If you don't have Java installed, but you do have Xscreensaver installed, you can just run the `ccurve' hack. It looks quite similar to these Kock curves.

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  60. you can bend wires by markj02 · · Score: 2
    There are lots of conductive plastics, so this isn't exactly new. Furthermore, you can bend wires into any shape you want. It may or may not be a little more expensive to manufacture, but a company that wanted to have an antenna that doesn't stick out could bend a wire and route it around the case. Or, they can just print the antenna on a flexible printed circuit board (which some do). In fact, many cell phones have the antenna be an integral part of the case.

    In fact, there are several cell phones that use integral antennas. Why don't all have it? I suspect it's because an antenna that sticks out beyond the part of the phone that is covered by your hand probably works better.

  61. That's not a tumor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's my cellphone!

  62. No, eye cancer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The structure of the eye tends to focus the
    signal into local spots. The brain just heats
    up a bit, and gets increased neuron activity.

  63. Not as cool as a "spray on" antenna by quan74 · · Score: 1

    This isn't as cool as a paint material that can be used as an antenna. The material is being developed by DARPA for use by the military. There's a story about it here.

  64. antennas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never mind this cell phone crap! I need to fit an antenna for 160m in something smaller than my apartment!

  65. size by sewagemaster · · Score: 1

    my 'antenna' shrinks with a decrease of temperature, but it doesnt mean it uses more power to drive it? :)

  66. Re:Shrinkage = Bad AND the two-inches-is-plenty de by farsighed · · Score: 1

    I think she does by now. :)
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  67. created by a general manager? by cinder_bdt · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is completely foreign to my experience! A general manager creating something other than a spreadsheet or a headache?

    I'm inclined to believe a person was promoted to general manager for technical chops they earned in the past, or maybe even because of this wonderful invention. But was this person a general manager *when they created* this device? Not likely! I want to work at that company.

  68. hrm by Goofy+Gavin · · Score: 1

    my "antenna" is shrinking just reading about this :/

  69. Umm..radiation? by Tazzy531 · · Score: 2

    Isn't the whole point with external antenna to spread the EMF radiation away from your brain? If the plastic is part of the antenna, wouldn't it just bring it closer?

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  70. This tech is a hoax by Prodigy+Savant · · Score: 1

    My phone manual clearly states "Avoid touching the antenna!" So are we supposed to stop touching the entire phone? I think the new technology is preposterous ... we could always have had internal metal strips in the casing as antennas, we dont need some stupid plastic material to turn the case into an antenna! This new technology is a hoax.

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