Who the fuck runs ubuntu on a server? Context man, context!
Actually, it seems a (to me) distressing number of people do, including my university.
I don't necessarily have a problem with Ubuntu per se (I don't happen to personally like it, but that's another subject) but it is primarily a desktop distribution, and I don't see it as a real server candidate.
OK, if I am asked to name names and say what I do consider such a candidate, at the top of my list would be Slackware or Arch Linux.
Well now, if I hadn't seen your low userID, I might have said you must be new here. Yours seems to be the only usefully informative and insightful post, and as such is entirely out of place on Slashdot.
Well, it's certainly faster than Chrome for OS X or Linux, since neither of these are available yet at all. Chrome fades more into irrelevance the longer they delay releasing versions for non-Windows platforms. This is not because the browser particularly sucks, it is because unlike Firefox, it has missed the boat for endorsement by the geek community.
I've said this before, but it bears saying again: Google is not short of resources, so their ignoring other platforms only suggests deliberate policy. In other words, they might as well take their browser and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
All it really means is that as soon as twitter kicks into any thread, there's bugger-all point reading any further, since the rest of the thread will be taken up either with flames or the same bozo gasbagging with himself. All just a bit tedious.
I don't let it get to me, but I do wish the adolescent little cretin would get out more. It would probably improve his complexion, if nothing else.
+1 Interesting and well said. Your story is one that I have observed in a number of other people, but is not one I have ever heard anyone ever admitting with regard to themselves.
Someone will address it if it gets in the media; you don't need to attach some poor schmuck's name unless it's already been escalated and the escalation has proven ineffective.
We are addressing a case where the poster has already been given the runaround. If I were in that position, I would not be content to wait while some pointy-haired bureaucrat purportedly "escalates" the issue while varnishing her fingernails.. I've had a lot of that with one of the telcos I have endured, but that's a rant for another time.
No, the point is to get results, and if someone has to jump to keep his ass away from the flames, then so be it. That's the whole point.
A poorly designed multi-disk storage system can easily be worse than a single disk.
Certainly. Though I can't speak for RAID-5 from personal experience, never having used it. I've always thought of that as so complicated, I find it difficult to trust, especially since there is no parity checking.
I say, scorched Earth. Put ALL telemarketers and ALL snail mail spammers and ALL email spammers out of business.
While we're at it, let's get rid of all those damn billboards that festoon every square inch of space everywhere, and plant trees instead.
It is time for marketroids to realise that they do not have a god-given right to plaster their useless dreck across the entire landscape just so that they can make a fast buck. Douglas Adams was wrong when he painted telephone sanitisers and hairdressers as the most useless specimens of humanity. Marketroids plumb depths where even parking attendants barely mark the surface.
Contacting the media is definitely the best strategy: not only is this newsworthy, it should shame several agencies into action.
Even better if you turn up in person at the agencies and stick to your guns enough to get the complaint referred to some sort of managerial level, then make sure you get the name of the person you spoke to.
If you quote this person by name in your report to the media, it sends a clear signal that someone is going to need to cover his ass. At that point, the excreta should make contact with the impeller.
so why would you want to run fsck on read-only partitions, again?
if that partition appears unclean, aren't you already doomed and no fsck is going to help you?
I didn't say my/boot partitions had ever sprung an error. They do, of course, get remounted read-write for kernel upgrades and so forth, and it's not a bad policy to fsck it occasionally.
And no, I'm far from doomed if it does spring an error. I've got plenty of other ways of booting the system.
not to belittle ext3 and ext2 for that matter, but their time is beginning to pass, and something new needs to replace it.
I'm not sure that I see why, unless you're simply bored with the older filesystems. Something as critical as this should not be driven by what is trendy at any given moment. If one has no need for particular advanced bells or whistles, there is no need to use them.
For instance, since for historical and security reasons I keep/boot on its own separate partition which is mounted readonly, it makes sense here to not have anything trying to write to a journal, so ext2 is still a very good choice here. As the partition is tiny (only 20MB) it takes a fraction of a second to run e2fsck over it when or as required, so there is nothing to be gained by journalling it anyway.
I still use ReiserFS3 on most of my other partitions, since I don't have any intention of changing the filesystem until I change the drives. ReiserFS is still a good choice for my purposes anyway.
I was sort of wondering what units these "happiness metrics" would take. "Warmfuzzies" perhaps? I wonder what order of magnitude Google's product falls in. Maybe attofuzzies or femtofuzzies...;-)
She might want to get decent hardware then. I don't believe you that XP/Vista and Office 2003/2007 spontaneously crashed a system to that point without outside help.
...Which brings us right back to the point I was making in the first place. There is nothing more lame than a my-word-versus-yours argument.
Pondering this make me feel a whole lot better about the whole enterprise.
Good thinking. I often think the standard of cursing in this language tends to be woefully inadequate, consisting of the mindless and dull repetition of combinations of the same four-letter words. For once, Microsoft could be doing something positive to improve articulacy of profane expression. It might not be what they intend, but I won't lose any sleep over that.;-)
That's the accusation thrown at every psychological experiment on slashdot.
That's nothing to do with Slashdot. It's a valid reservation.
The samples for these studies cannot be expected to be free from bias, since they are (almost invariably) self-selected. And without publishing exactly what questions were asked of respondents, claiming to be able to indicate any kind of conclusion is woolly thinking.
Maybe it isn't BS, but I wish TFA indicated something a bit more rigorous. The researcher's sample, although satisfying rudimentary requirements for Central Limit, is very small, given the necessarily subjective nature of the responses one would expect in this sort of survey.
I'm willing to concede that I might just exposing my prejudices about psychology as a field, but I have always believed it to be a pseudoscience not far removed from mumbo-jumbo.
My belief (without anything more to back this up than anecdotal experience) is that my dreams are in colour, but that as I try to recall them later, the colours get mentally "stripped out" (perhaps a form of video compression?). My reasoning (such as it is) behind this is that I have a tendency to recall colours quite vividly if I am woken suddenly while in the middle of a dream.
If you're complaining because the least part of a large service that you have been using for free, perhaps since the dawn of the commerical internet, has made an unexpected change... well, really, you need to have a long think about whether or not that makes you an ass.
Well said. I have had several discussions with associates and friends who are by now utterly dependent on Facebook. The latter has always bothered me, since (among other reasons) there are so many cases of people getting their fingers burnt through no fault of their own.
If a service is important to me, I expect to have to maintain it by means of something a bit more binding than a click-through agreement that cedes all control to the administrator.
I happen to like menubars, scrollbars and GUI and that's why I was attracted to XEmacs in order to fix the deficiencies in 19.14.
Fair enough. I just never learned how to use all those things, since the hotkeys are so quick. I only make the distinction with GNU Emacs because it is exactly the same program regardless of whether I'm at a tty or in an X session.
Viruses - THis is not a OS problem, its a user problem.
If Windows can be infected with viruses or malware within hours of installation, with almost no user input, that is an OS problem. Lame excuses not accepted.
Crashes - Yeah, comeback with real proof.
Having just spent the last few hours rescuing a friend's computer when Microsoft had advised her to re-format and reinstall (which would have blown away her PhD thesis in the process) after a crash from which it wouldn't reboot, I think I'm in a good position to answer that. This lady was only running MS Word at the time, and last time I looked, that was MS code.
I have been using Linux on all of my desktop machines since 1995, and I have never had a kernel crash. No, NOT EVEN ONCE. Sure, I have had the occasional panic on bootup when I've done something stupid like forgetting to build in support for my root filesystem type, but I don't think that counts.
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Who the fuck runs ubuntu on a server? Context man, context!
Actually, it seems a (to me) distressing number of people do, including my university.
I don't necessarily have a problem with Ubuntu per se (I don't happen to personally like it, but that's another subject) but it is primarily a desktop distribution, and I don't see it as a real server candidate.
OK, if I am asked to name names and say what I do consider such a candidate, at the top of my list would be Slackware or Arch Linux.
Well now, if I hadn't seen your low userID, I might have said you must be new here. Yours seems to be the only usefully informative and insightful post, and as such is entirely out of place on Slashdot.
;-)
Well, it's certainly faster than Chrome for OS X or Linux, since neither of these are available yet at all. Chrome fades more into irrelevance the longer they delay releasing versions for non-Windows platforms. This is not because the browser particularly sucks, it is because unlike Firefox, it has missed the boat for endorsement by the geek community.
I've said this before, but it bears saying again: Google is not short of resources, so their ignoring other platforms only suggests deliberate policy. In other words, they might as well take their browser and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
All it really means is that as soon as twitter kicks into any thread, there's bugger-all point reading any further, since the rest of the thread will be taken up either with flames or the same bozo gasbagging with himself. All just a bit tedious.
I don't let it get to me, but I do wish the adolescent little cretin would get out more. It would probably improve his complexion, if nothing else.
Most Linux users prefer to upgrade software using the channels for their distrobution.[sic]
That's one of the advantages of "rolling-release" distributions.
My currently preferred distro, Arch Linux has kept up with the OOo3 betas, and had the final version up and ready to load as soon as it was released.
+1 Interesting and well said. Your story is one that I have observed in a number of other people, but is not one I have ever heard anyone ever admitting with regard to themselves.
Someone will address it if it gets in the media; you don't need to attach some poor schmuck's name unless it's already been escalated and the escalation has proven ineffective.
We are addressing a case where the poster has already been given the runaround. If I were in that position, I would not be content to wait while some pointy-haired bureaucrat purportedly "escalates" the issue while varnishing her fingernails.. I've had a lot of that with one of the telcos I have endured, but that's a rant for another time.
No, the point is to get results, and if someone has to jump to keep his ass away from the flames, then so be it. That's the whole point.
A poorly designed multi-disk storage system can easily be worse than a single disk.
Certainly. Though I can't speak for RAID-5 from personal experience, never having used it. I've always thought of that as so complicated, I find it difficult to trust, especially since there is no parity checking.
Aha, I'd forgotten that. Been a couple of years since I read it last... ;-)
I say, scorched Earth. Put ALL telemarketers and ALL snail mail spammers and ALL email spammers out of business.
While we're at it, let's get rid of all those damn billboards that festoon every square inch of space everywhere, and plant trees instead.
It is time for marketroids to realise that they do not have a god-given right to plaster their useless dreck across the entire landscape just so that they can make a fast buck. Douglas Adams was wrong when he painted telephone sanitisers and hairdressers as the most useless specimens of humanity. Marketroids plumb depths where even parking attendants barely mark the surface.
Contacting the media is definitely the best strategy: not only is this newsworthy, it should shame several agencies into action.
Even better if you turn up in person at the agencies and stick to your guns enough to get the complaint referred to some sort of managerial level, then make sure you get the name of the person you spoke to.
If you quote this person by name in your report to the media, it sends a clear signal that someone is going to need to cover his ass. At that point, the excreta should make contact with the impeller.
so why would you want to run fsck on read-only partitions, again? if that partition appears unclean, aren't you already doomed and no fsck is going to help you?
/boot partitions had ever sprung an error. They do, of course, get remounted read-write for kernel upgrades and so forth, and it's not a bad policy to fsck it occasionally.
I didn't say my
And no, I'm far from doomed if it does spring an error. I've got plenty of other ways of booting the system.
not to belittle ext3 and ext2 for that matter, but their time is beginning to pass, and something new needs to replace it.
/boot on its own separate partition which is mounted readonly, it makes sense here to not have anything trying to write to a journal, so ext2 is still a very good choice here. As the partition is tiny (only 20MB) it takes a fraction of a second to run e2fsck over it when or as required, so there is nothing to be gained by journalling it anyway.
I'm not sure that I see why, unless you're simply bored with the older filesystems. Something as critical as this should not be driven by what is trendy at any given moment. If one has no need for particular advanced bells or whistles, there is no need to use them.
For instance, since for historical and security reasons I keep
I still use ReiserFS3 on most of my other partitions, since I don't have any intention of changing the filesystem until I change the drives. ReiserFS is still a good choice for my purposes anyway.
I was sort of wondering what units these "happiness metrics" would take. "Warmfuzzies" perhaps? I wonder what order of magnitude Google's product falls in. Maybe attofuzzies or femtofuzzies... ;-)
She might want to get decent hardware then. I don't believe you that XP/Vista and Office 2003/2007 spontaneously crashed a system to that point without outside help.
...Which brings us right back to the point I was making in the first place. There is nothing more lame than a my-word-versus-yours argument.
Pondering this make me feel a whole lot better about the whole enterprise.
;-)
Good thinking. I often think the standard of cursing in this language tends to be woefully inadequate, consisting of the mindless and dull repetition of combinations of the same four-letter words. For once, Microsoft could be doing something positive to improve articulacy of profane expression. It might not be what they intend, but I won't lose any sleep over that.
It's a student (undergraduate I presume) project, so I expect the funding was zero.
This page indicates that she is a postgrad.
That's the accusation thrown at every psychological experiment on slashdot.
That's nothing to do with Slashdot. It's a valid reservation.
The samples for these studies cannot be expected to be free from bias, since they are (almost invariably) self-selected. And without publishing exactly what questions were asked of respondents, claiming to be able to indicate any kind of conclusion is woolly thinking.
Maybe it isn't BS, but I wish TFA indicated something a bit more rigorous. The researcher's sample, although satisfying rudimentary requirements for Central Limit, is very small, given the necessarily subjective nature of the responses one would expect in this sort of survey.
I'm willing to concede that I might just exposing my prejudices about psychology as a field, but I have always believed it to be a pseudoscience not far removed from mumbo-jumbo.
My belief (without anything more to back this up than anecdotal experience) is that my dreams are in colour, but that as I try to recall them later, the colours get mentally "stripped out" (perhaps a form of video compression?). My reasoning (such as it is) behind this is that I have a tendency to recall colours quite vividly if I am woken suddenly while in the middle of a dream.
You think that's bad; a few decades before that the world was silent (sometimes having music in the background).
You mean like this film (2007)?
Incidentally, I highly recomment this - it's very funny.
that video format will be associated with 1960-2005 just as strongly as black and white television is associated with the decades before.
Back where I come from (the Channel Islands), we didn't get colour TV until the early 1970s.
If you're complaining because the least part of a large service that you have been using for free, perhaps since the dawn of the commerical internet, has made an unexpected change... well, really, you need to have a long think about whether or not that makes you an ass.
Well said. I have had several discussions with associates and friends who are by now utterly dependent on Facebook. The latter has always bothered me, since (among other reasons) there are so many cases of people getting their fingers burnt through no fault of their own.
If a service is important to me, I expect to have to maintain it by means of something a bit more binding than a click-through agreement that cedes all control to the administrator.
If I installed a 1.5 or 7 year old version of Linux you're telling me it wouldn't be able to be hacked?
Very unlikely. The Linux kernel devs don't just abandon earlier trees. The 2.4 tree, started in 2001, was last updated on the 7th September 2008.
I'm sure she had nothing loaded from a third party, like drivers, or some shit she clicked on to whack-a-mole. Sure.
You might be stupid enough to do that, but that doesn't mean she is. As for 3rd party drivers, no. The machine is generic enough not to need them.
I happen to like menubars, scrollbars and GUI and that's why I was attracted to XEmacs in order to fix the deficiencies in 19.14.
Fair enough. I just never learned how to use all those things, since the hotkeys are so quick. I only make the distinction with GNU Emacs because it is exactly the same program regardless of whether I'm at a tty or in an X session.
Viruses - THis is not a OS problem, its a user problem.
If Windows can be infected with viruses or malware within hours of installation, with almost no user input, that is an OS problem. Lame excuses not accepted.
Crashes - Yeah, comeback with real proof.
Having just spent the last few hours rescuing a friend's computer when Microsoft had advised her to re-format and reinstall (which would have blown away her PhD thesis in the process) after a crash from which it wouldn't reboot, I think I'm in a good position to answer that. This lady was only running MS Word at the time, and last time I looked, that was MS code.
I have been using Linux on all of my desktop machines since 1995, and I have never had a kernel crash. No, NOT EVEN ONCE. Sure, I have had the occasional panic on bootup when I've done something stupid like forgetting to build in support for my root filesystem type, but I don't think that counts.