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Microsoft Announces Windows Azure, Cloud-Based OS
snydeq writes "Microsoft today introduced Windows Azure, its operating system for the cloud. The OS serves as the underlying foundation of the Azure Services Platform to help developers build apps that span from the cloud to the datacenter, to PCs, the Web, and phones. Cloud-based developer capabilities are combined with storage, computational, and network infrastructure services, which are hosted on servers within Microsoft's global data center network."
Was anyone waiting for this? Or interested in this?
Anyone?
Bueller?
How we know is more important than what we know.
The MS version of cloud, SAS and all that crap will just be half-built and then be recycled for another set of acronyms in 2010.
From what they've said so far, Windows Azure is just Microsoft hosting your applications on their distributed network.
They were touting all these "great" things, but really that's all it really is.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
Windows Azureus.
Just when I think Microsoft software couldn't become any more viral...
Replacing the BSOD with the ASOD.
Except with ASOD, you wont know whos SOD it is...
I get it now. If you disagree with the majority on
Considering the source of this software, one can be pretty sure of this lifecycle:
Phase one: deployment by thousands of small businesses, the poor schmucks.
Phase two: serious security and compatibility problems go exploited and unreported. Those in the know start to advise against use of the software.
Phase three: Patching attempts by Microsoft. Cracking attempts by crackers. Either: Massive advertising campaign by Microsoft OR Microsoft puts out Version 2 with bug fixes and advertises that.
Phase four: more patching by Microsoft. More cracking by crackers. Microsoft comes out a with Service Pack. New Ubuntu does everything this product does, but faster and more securely.
Phase five: fewer and fewer companies use this product, but it enjoys a long half-life as companies fail to stop using it.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
Why is when I see Windows and Clouds mentioned in the same article a song comes to mind?
I was blue, just as blue as I could be
Evry day was a cloudy day for me
Then Azure came a-knocking at my door
Skies were gray but theyre not gray anymore
Blue screens
Smiling at me
Nothing but blue screens
Do I see
Bluescreens
Singing a song
Nothing but bluescreens
All day long
Oh damn, now the image of Data singing that has sprung up.
According to Wikipedia, "Azure is a blue color, halfway between blue and cyan. Commonly it refers to a bright blue, resembling the sky on a bright, clear day."
So, now we can look forward to seeing a soothing Azure Screen of Death.
I'm an individual! Just like everyone else!
- It's slow(duh, connecting to the internet and such)
- You have no privacy (MS knows all)
- You have no control (MS controls all)
- You have no guarantee (MS decides when you are allowed to use it)
I'm sold
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power lost.
I've been writing Windows apps since 3.1. Microsoft couldn't write a decent API if their lives depended on it. They manage to take simple concept, and bury under layer upon layer of useless complexity. Too often their documentation doesn't give examples, and the only way to find out what something does is it sit around and experiment with it. Take the absurd DirectX: you *have* to use it, but even today it takes pages to get a window on the screen and the documentation is useless. Remember Microsoft OLE? Such a simple thing made so hard. I want to code in as few a lines as possible. I don't want to write pages of COM declarations. Worse of all is their DirectShow - put a video on the screen. It's a mess of pins and connectors. Ugh!
Although I'm a Windows programmer by training, I've been spreading my wings and it's nice to use APIs that are simpler and more elegant. I can write code to do what I want to do, instead of wasting days with my nose buried in absurdly thick reference books trying to understand what they were trying to do. It's like the people at Microsoft who spend their time writing APIs never have to actually use one.
So Microsoft Cloud? No, thanks. Cloud may turn out to be another flash-in-the-pan fad, but even so I'd rather use a cleaner API by someone else. Microsoft have a lousy track record. Thanks, but no thanks.
What's the security boundary between customers based on? Virtual machines?
...I'm sick of the "cloud". I like the idea of syncing data over the net, but I hate the idea of having to be online to do work. Worse yet, I hate the idea of using web-based interface. They all work differently, they all look different and frankly they suck. It's hard for them to be open source, they're hard to extend and hard to deploy.
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BizTalk plus .NET, add a little FrontPage, a dash of Silverlight and mix it all up on a hosted server. For some reason I just had flashbacks to the Bass-o-Matic on SNL.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
I can hear it now: Not on our pipes they won't...
...it's not an OS in my book. It may be an excellent (hmph!) network API, but it is not an operating system of any kind.
I don't know what kind of crack I was on, but I suspect it was decaf.
Azure will just be a framework for computing how much cpu time and resources an application uses, and deciding how much CPU time to bill the user.
Welcome back to the mainframe era.
Kiss your "personal" computer goodbye.
It is a new interface to a hosted platform for your .net apps, sharepoint, dynamics CRM and SQL server which will surely be running on clusters of good old server 2003 and 2008.
1. Can turn off access to any application, at will.
2. Can force upgrade$, even when perfectly happy with an older version of an application.
3. Can nickle-and-dime you for every piece of the OS, similar to purchasing your car one bolt at-a-time.
4. Over tax our still not-ready-for-prime-time broadband.
Gosh, how the hell does this benefit me in anyway? I am not an automatic MS-basher like some people here but I'm quickly learning.
-- Posted from my parent's basement
online OS's have their merit, no need for big expensive desktops, access your files AND applications anywhere. i hate the cloud buzzword, but i can see the concept catching on.
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
So other than running Sharepoint and Dynamics CRM, how is this any different to what Amazon already offer?
It's really hard to argue with such an extensive and reasoned argument.
IMHO cloud computing should be based on personal clouds... as in all the software, files, and stuff on a small device like a portable hard drive or USB flash drive, that you can plug into a console which contains just the hardware, or switches off or disconects its own boot/storage media in favor of booting your cloud... while using your "cloud" the internal storage device on the console/computer/terminal should not be active(security reasons protecting the console from you and you from the console) this would allow you to take your OS, settings, programs, files and other stuff anywhere as long as theres a compatible console available.
Does this explain all the bullshit slashdot articles about cloud this and grid that? I hope this turns into microsoft bob 2.0.
If you run a business, you have to know DAMN well that your data is:
1) private and secure
3) available to your apps
4) backed up
How can you do that if your data is "in the cloud"? The SLA isn't worth the paper that it is written on if your business goes down for a week because something went wrong with "the cloud".
Selling software wont make you money, selling a service will.
There is something seriously wrong with that boy. Some kind of obsessive compulsive disorder that makes him focus every waking moment of every living day into posting articles about the evils of MS (er... M$) while fellating Stallman (or, RMS as he likes to call him).
One day his trolling will stop, and there will be a blurb of an obituary that nobody bothers to read. "Man takes own life, blames Microsoft for releasing a product he actually likes."
1. Microsoft getting involved in cloud computing brings up images of pollution - for some reason.
2. Why doesn't Microsoft just fix XP and Vista instead of spreading their viral programming practices into a cloud?
I say things which affects my Karma negatively. (and I don't care) For instance; All religion is false.
Nobody wants to visit me in my little cloud... I don't know why. Maybe cuz I'm cuttin' muffins.
golly what are these people saying? not much? it must be commercial bulshytt
"Laugh while you can a-monkey boy!" - Dr Emilio Lizardo
Windows, not walls.
You can look, but you can't touch.
That's not really your data you're downloading from the cloud, it's a copy provided to you by the grace of the service provider.
Oh, damn. I just spit my drank all over my keyboard. That has to be the funniest damn thing I've seen in at least a week.
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I love that Microsoft chose to call their cloud-based operating system Azure. Azure, as in: bright blue, like a cloudless sky.
Windows 7 is losing core applications and replacing them with an installer to download them because doing so appeases the federal regulators who will come down -hard- on Microsoft implementing any program that could be considered, even if twenty years from now, unfair competition.
Microsoft doesn't want the headache and says, fine, we'll take our toys and replace it with an installer that is on the users' desktop or start menu or whatever, and they can choose to use it or not. OEMs can choose to leave it in or not, etc.
I'm OK with that, I don't use the Windows Live apps anyway.
You are wasting your time.
How can you do that if your data is "in the cloud"? The SLA isn't worth the paper that it is written on if your business goes down for a week because something went wrong with "the cloud".
Supporting small business I've seen some down right foolish and stupid decisions made on IT, placing cost over their data security.
Most cloud services offer business access to applications and services they could not afford if they put the software on site and I see it as no different to a SMB deciding to spend 5K on a new server and ignore the extra 5K for a backup system to support it.
Some business owners will understand the risks, and some will either not care or go for the bottom line with cost.
What about Synapse? Tim Robbins failed on his promise. :(
I cant wait to see how sucktacular it is. All the reliability and stability of Microsoft software delivered through Microsoft's legendary networking skill.
Friends, the LHC has nothing on this. We're about to see an example of negative energy, when modern physics had all but proved it completely impossible.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
Is the cloud made of vapor?
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
This is what I always picture when twitter starts posting with all his accounts. I think it's just that caught-in-the-headlights look that kills me, because he was never clever enough about it to actually pull it off.
This one is another one that comes to mind...
1. Some accounts agree with twitter's way of thought.
:. Therefore this is UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE THEY ARE TWITTER!
The logic doesn't add up, oh well, if you get to reply these questions enough times with a link to SockDisclosure, I guess people will get convinced, sure you just need to use plenty of AC posts and pretend it is a different person...
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
Why the cloud wins: An anonymous Essay
By about 2017 Moore law ends as chip features become atomically fine. Until then feature density will perhaps to continue to double in fits and starts every 18 mo. At that time to improve computing photonics, logic, pure math and quantum computing will be the source of improvments in computing. As transistor density doubles media density will continue to improve. Roughly doubling every 12 months. Assuming they solve the attendant problems, and there's little reason to assume they're insurmountable, as with solid state logic. But network capacity, is a whole other story. There the doubling may increase to 2050, or beyond, and that doubling occurs every 9 months. While this takes a while to trickle down to the last mile, the hand writing is on the wall. The cloud will be orders of magnitude more powerful than everything else. It will so outstrip all other options that there won't be any objection. It'll be the patently obvious choice. It'll be permission to view any of your favorite media anywhere on demand, and it'll be all but instantanious. Your data will be diffuse and nearly indestructable, and perhaps terrifiyingly ubiquitious, and not all of will be true. Any argument against cloud computing now is exactly equivalent to supporting any of the classing quotes of historic misunderstanding in computer science. 640k ought to be enough for anybody. I see a worldwide market for maybe 4 computers. What ever. The cloud is the future. Everyone is positioning themselves to be able to take advantage of that physical reality. Blame the standard model.
Where is the GNU OS, Micro-kernel based HURD?
which they didn't choose, because then people would think everyone was saying "Windows Blew", which it does.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
I may have missed the point of this, but it really looks to me like an attempt to give windows a package manager without ever having to admit that any other package managers were a good idea.
A company that makes billions a quarter is going to pump out a lot of stuff. ...and it is going to pump out a lot of crap.
You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
n/t
For all their ISV "partners"....
Help stamp out iliturcy.
Forgive my ignorance, but why does everyone hate twitter so? I was absent for a while from slashdot and I seem to have missed the twitter hate fest. Could you please possibly be a chap and explain, because I've simply become far more than curious at this point.
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Microsoft couldn't write a decent API if their lives depended on it.
Microsoft's APIs are seamless, coherent and reliably engineered. They are flexible enough to enable seamless integration of all their apps into every aspect of the operating system in such a way that they seem to be part of it. They even build into the APIs current developers of their apps need to implement various features.
Although I'm a Windows programmer by training,
Oh. You mean the APIs they let you use. Never mind.
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...since they have so much experience with vaporware.
Azure is a platform like the beach is a platform for building sand castles on.
Sooner or later comes the tide.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
Count on it.
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The Azure Screen of Death.
Have gnu, will travel.
The Curse of the Azure Bonds!
Just what Windows needs: even more unreliability, even less control over your data.
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Someone already mentioned that Azure means blue... Anyone else find it funny that Microsoft named their new OS by the color of the old OS's crash screen? I guess Microsoft Cloud BSOD wasn't as catchy to the ad department.
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Are we still claiming that MS owns the browser? Let alone the server and data center market?
"what's going to motivate them to follow standards?"
Being left behind.
Shai Schticks:"You don't make peace with friends, you make peace with enemies"
This new version of Windows has all the bugs worked out. You should use it, for the good of the country. Do you get my meaning? Am I making myself clear?
As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer. You can rely on me sir!
The term to indicate a room is under some form of electronic surveillance, especially used by British intelligence services
Actually, I think they got that from "Edge of Darkness" mini-series.
"Gosh, how the hell does this benefit me in anyway? I am not an automatic MS-basher like some people here but I'm quickly learning."
Software as a service is really a rather old idea and it's worked out well so far. Some of you old timers may remember this and timesharing in the years before personal computers.
Shai Schticks:"You don't make peace with friends, you make peace with enemies"
At work I very rarely VNC into the Windows servers, because even in the same room as the server, VNC is absurdly slow. Why would I want to run Windows GUI programs over the actual internet?
Granted, I'm saying this from limited experience, and I know things like PowerShell exist to streamline this sort of thing. But why would I want to use the rather fringe PowerShell when I could have just about any scripting/shell language with years of debugging, documentation, and implementation to back it up?
Assuming this whole vaporware thing pans out for anyone, my money's on those that deal first in text.
So not only can I rely on the banks and funds to look after my superannuation savings, the telco for the tubes that run to my desk, the isp for all their helpful goodness, but i can also now rely on ms for my applications.
Seriously, unless it's built on bsd underneath or something, all it takes is something to propogate in such an environment and it's the end of the global computing system. Data centre vs data centre - kill the Internet!
Can it be used with os x, forget linux.~!/?
Mauve is making a comeback.
"I like the idea of syncing data over the net, but I hate the idea of having to be online to do work."
Why? With all the talk about how necessary the Internet and Broadband are. We already are wed to the idea that we need an always on connection to do work...and play? Getting cold feet now would be like realizing Modern Urbanism and the "Car Culture" have downsides.
Shai Schticks:"You don't make peace with friends, you make peace with enemies"
Curse of the Azure Bonds just took on a whole new meaning :D Plus it also made me want to ditch work and go play games (not that that usually takes much convincing)
I have spoken'eth.
I don't like the concept of a cloud at all. What if the net goes down? phone line goes down? it happens...so what then? What if you couldn't pay your net bill for that month and your cutoff temporarily? Is your computer useless until the net comes back on? I think the concept is just too futuristic to be viable now.
So, Vista with a set of new wallpaper graphics! Windows 7 is here already!
Toddler on lap. Your <extraneous verb> excuse?
/I like five. Five my favorite number.
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Project Red Dog = RED (obviously)
Windows Midori = GREEN
Windows Azure = BLUE
So that's RGB taken care of. Or, are we on the Red-Yellow-Blue system? What's yellow that we can associate with Microsoft's products? Suggestions?
Don't put advice in your sig.
And just when you thought DRM was getting easier to break... Now they can do ANYTHING they want with your illegal stuff.
Good start on describing the budding tension about Cloud computing. Time for the analogies! Are we settling on Flying Cars or Landable Planes? I slowed down to think when I realized that I use webmail across five browsers and eleven computers, versus Porting my data on USB/synched type devices for all other apps.
I haven't yet downloaded my yahoo mail, though I plan to Real Soon Now. But I despise the idea of being dependent on *proprietary* apps in the cloud. But that's the secret, isn't it?
These cloud vendors are not proposing to be commodity hosts of Open Office that you can "borrow" to get some work done. They seem to have a lock-in component.
I think the final answers will be blends of both sides, with the slight focus varying among the different solutions. I bet it will all shake out with a couple representatives of each type in equilibrium.
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Whenever I want to join the cloud, I just turn off the virus checker. Instant distributed computing.
I'll have automatically joined the largest distributed transnational computing grid on the planet, and all without any installation hassle.
Personally I look forward to Azure; if it's anything like their previous products, it will excel at NOT doing distributed computing, and thus be virus-proof.
I can see it now: "Virus writers throw up their hands with Microsoft's new distributed computing OS. 'The API is too complicated. We give up. It was easier to hack the TCP stack in assembly.'"
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/27/220208 The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error has occurred.
Wasn't it some --other-- OS that was supposed to have gone down in flames due to fragmentation and forking? How many flavors of "Windows" are alive in the ecosystem now? CE, "supercomputing", XP, Vista, and now "Cloud"? The next version: "Windows Plethora"...
>> They manage to take simple concept, and bury under
>> layer upon layer of useless complexity
This is a very astute observation. As a MSFT veteran, I can tell you why this happens. Microsoft as a company does not value simplicity. Simplicity in design is perceived as a lack of technical skill and therefore considered a weakness. It has to be uber-super-insane architecture starting right from V1, and it has to be so complex that it'll only be useful by V3, and even then only by people who already know a lot of the other equally grotesque Windows APIs. Otherwise people won't get promoted.
The most recent and most dramatic example of gross overengineering so far is Avalon, AKA WPF. I bet the same is true of Azure, knowing that it comes from Windows and there are a bunch of very senior people in the org. Which is why I predict that it will be an epic fail.
Multiple account abuse (to which he has, allegedly, admitted), schizophrenic accusations of conspiracies and personal targeting, and anti-Microsoft rants that are so rabid and over the top that they are actually a disservice to the very causes he claims to support.
Not that I support counter-trolling him and bitching about his every post, but he is a /very/ prolific troll and a not insignificant number of our colleagues are apparently unwilling or unable to look past that even with his relatively innocuous posts (which I think this one was, although it was a bit borderline).
I think you'll find that there are far less people who hate him than there are people who just don't care, but the former tend to speak up while the latter do not, and twitter actually posts at -1 on nearly all of his accounts, so it can appear that there are people constantly down-modding him to a casual observer.
Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
So... Basically MS has finally created an operating system so freakin' big that it won't fit onto a single computer?
"My religion is to live --and die-- without regret." -- Milarepa
"Eastern European hackers introduced Windows Azure bot network, its operating system for the cloud. The OS serves as the underlying foundation of the Azure Bot Net Services Platform to help developers build Bots that span from the cloud to the datacenter, to PCs, the Web, and phones. Cloud-based developer capabilities are combined with storage, computational, and network infrastructure services, which are hosted on servers within Microsoft's global data center network."
Agreed. While OLE and the original Windows SDK sucked, that's ancient history. Focus on stuff from the last decade. The .NET API is excellent by and large.
That's because they started from Java.
Given enough time, they will wander into the land of incomprehensibility that users of traditional Microsoft API's are used to.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
i'm guessing he's Signal 11 and l33t j03 all rolled into one, but i'm guessing that since every UID in this thread is over 400k nobody remembers who they were.
Windows 7 is losing core applications and replacing them with an installer to download them...
Coming in Windows 8: repos.
Too bad no one in their right mind is going to leave tried and true LAMP and desktop OS that work. RMS, once again, was right, doubly so in this case, the user surrenders their software freedom and their data when they use Windows 7 in the M$ Vapor.
Of all the reasons to dislike Microsoft, this is not a good one.
It's not like there's going to be any market compulsion as on the desktop where they have to arrange to pay people to use MS Windows (the common argument here is that the fees paid by crapware installed on OEM preinstalls more than covers OS costs charged by Microsoft for the O/S).
Oh, and only an idiot writes stupid things like `M$'.
If you had half a clue, you would realize that the EVUL EVUL EVUL M$ had stolen^H^H^H^H^H^Hreused Richard Stallman's only good idea as regards to an Emaacs style architecture but copied it so faithfully that they had reproduced all the same problems (see my historical posts here on Slashdot and journal entries for further documentation), or just fucking google for it.
How will you flame(stalk) me back, a man who refuses to ever do paid work on Microsoft Windows and whose primary workstation at work runs RHEL "Linux", not "GNU/Linux" or "Linux/GNU", and a man who has never owned a machine with a licensed copy of Microsoft anything (proudly Unix and later Linux at home since 1985).
Oh wait, I bought my wife a Microsoft Windows XP notebook in a fit of madness. She hated it because it crashed so much and I quickly had it replaced with a Macbook (which she loves and which sadly was not available at the time we got the Neo XP notebook).
You're an idiot twitter and if anything, I would suspect _you_ of being a Microsoft shill because to anyone with more than half a braincell (sadly as a blonde guy, that's the hand I was dealt), you just provoke the opposite reaction as to what you seem to be trying to promote.
I apologize to everyone except twitter. Mod this the flamebait that it is and move on.
Bear in mind this is only a guess ;) . I predict that the whole cloud thing will be put to death as soon as high-end connections are made affordable and available to the consumer. It seems like the whole "cloud" movement is a reaction to saving costs in order to utilize portibility. With services like Verizon FIOS and fiber networks being laid out here in the US, not to mention dropping storage space cost, I'm hoping that the cloud will be replaced by the "home server". Once you can access all your files instantly, fast and secure, from anywhere (accessing your home server) then it seems a bit silly to put it anywhere else beyond your control. Sure, people will complain about managing and setting up the "home server" now, but its easy to find preconfigured server distros. You can get everything you need setup in 15 minutes and there are literally 100s of preconfigured linux distros that are ready after installed. Just a thought ;)
Trying to install linux on my microwave, but keep getting a kernel panic...
Are we settling on Flying Cars or Landable Planes?
105 years later and we still haven't figured out how to land?
- It's slow(duh, connecting to the internet and such)
I was just thinking, an OS in the clouds would actually make hitting that bandwidth cap a possible threat for people accessing their work networks from home or their home network from work.
Puts those new bandwidth caps down to a level that threatens even non-torrent-using Internet users.
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, START
I just wondering how stable this Microsoft Azureus is in order to download my pr0n in torrents...
more like purple haze computing.
get sober, folks.
Do not trust this signature.
I wonder if the Azure site is hosted on Azure. If so, then the "internal server error" I just got is probably a sign of things to come...
I take it you didn't actually *read* the SockDisclosure journal. If you had, then you wouldn't be posting that, so since you didn't, you should just STFU.
I say that because even a 10-year old child with developmental issues would take all of 5 minutes to figure out that every single one of those accounts are operated by the same person.
I'd accuse you of being a sockpuppet, except that your ID is way too low, so I have to conclude you're just insane because no one in their right mind would ever defend what twitter does to Slashdot.
No it isn't!
This is the kind of thing Slashdot needs to combat the unfortunate image that people like twitter tend to smear on
all of us. Not trolling or bitchy "HAI I KNOW U R TWITTER LOL" posts, but actual well thought out responses to the
useless, tired shtick he's been posting for years and years.
People can make a difference: They can just ignore and leave the trolls alone, or they can combat them with reason
and facts. Please pick one of those and stick to it!
If Microsoft is so crap, and UNIX is so good, why is it that I can run the AMP part (Apache, MySQL and PHP/Perl), all as native exes on my Windows box, but if I want to run say IIS, MSQL and ASP on a UNIX box, I have to do it on top of a virtual machine ?
Now go back to sleep, Twitter :-(
Sounds like vaporware to me.
All it really means is that as soon as twitter kicks into any thread, there's bugger-all point reading any further, since the rest of the thread will be taken up either with flames or the same bozo gasbagging with himself. All just a bit tedious.
I don't let it get to me, but I do wish the adolescent little cretin would get out more. It would probably improve his complexion, if nothing else.
Why is it called Azure anyway, surely a colour more asscoiated with the absence of clouds rather than their presence
gnutoo linked straight to Twitters own Slashdot Journal. He sometimes forgets to switch accounts and replies quoting "himself" with a different user. How more fucking obvious does it need to be?
Call me paranoid if you wish, but I would feel very uneasy to have my data hosted 6,000 miles away by a greedy, convicted monopolist with a dubious security record.
You also need a long chain of complex, fragile technology to be able to access your data. What happens if any company in that chain goes bankrupt ?
I think I will keep my data on my machines.
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Simma down!
Repos as in debian-like package management repositories? That would be well overdue. Somehow I think they'll never manage to do that well though.
It's almost, but not quite, entirely unlike Hooloovoo.
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Make SELinux enforcing again!
This looks to me like more of a marketing announcement where they take a bunch of previously available product and put it under one particular brand. Yeah, there's a few more things in there but mostly that's glue.
-- Windows Azure, for service hosting and management and low-level scalable storage, computation, and networking. .Net Services, which are service-based implementations of .Net Framework concepts such as workflow. .Net Services previously was called BizTalk Services. "The services themselves, we found, were actually more identifiable to the .Net community than BizTalk," said Steve Martin, Microsoft senior product management director in the companyâ(TM)s Connected Systems Division.
-- Microsoft SQL Services, for database services and reporting.
-- Microsoft
-- Live Services, for sharing, storing, and synchronizing documents, photos, and files across PCs, phones, PC applications, and Web sites.
-- Microsoft SharePoint Services and Microsoft Dynamics CRM Services for business content, collaboration, and solution development in the cloud
So, they're taking BizTalk, Sharepoint, Live, a bunch of point features in SQL Server and a few other warmed over things and calling them "Azure". Whoopee. They've invented a brand. Wake me up when they have something new.
I get the feeling that as the world said 'google is creating a cloud OS' it got believed, and this is the response to what google weren't doing? It seems as though they are trying to second guess the market rather than lead it.
Icaza says Linux/BSD will have support for it thanks to (insert some nerd but hip label) project and Novell is behind it.
Of course it will lack something like actual thing being 1-2 major versions behind but who cares? Gotta shut up people speaking about true cloud computing right?
Cloud Computing is something that doesn't care what brand CPU you are using on what OS as long as it has some standards (REAL ONES) support. Will MS deliver it? Where are official SilverLight 32/64 binaries for Linux?
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The name is very similar to "azufre" (sulfur) in spanish.
It's the smell of the devil!!!!! X-D
Do you remember Chavez in the UN saying "I smell sulfur" after Bush speech?
No sane person would want to run IIS, MSSQL or ASP on Unix OR Windows, which is why AMP is available for Windows.
Get it?
"Cloud-based developer capabilities are combined with storage, computational, and network infrastructure services, which are hosted on servers within Microsoft's global data center network."
TRANSLATION: the gypsy wagons are rallying around the snake-oil. EMC, Cisco, and Intel to bunk down with microsoft again.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Is newspeak for "we keep your data away from you".
I'll assume you're genuinely confused and not just trolling... A lot of open source software is available for Windows (that's one of the benefits of open software) whereas Microsoft doesn't usually port its proprietary software to other OSs. Microsoft likes to keep everyone using Windows and their entire Windows ecosystem of software. This keeps their users from straying to another OS.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Aren't there already third party apps that do this?
Blue Cloud Of Death is what came to my mind.
Run and catch, run and catch, the lamb is caught in the blackberry patch.
So now it takes an entire global cluster of computers to run their OS?
Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once
"Azure" could be interpreted as "second rate". In the 17th century artists used Azurite as a second-rate blue pigment .... the first rate version was a semi-precious stone, Lapiz Lazuli.
Hey look, it looks like some mod agrees with the twitter clones conspiracy theory! The only conclusion I can get from this is that the mod is another clone account from the twitter conspiracy theorists!
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
Hahaha, I am not defending twitter, I am just saying your conspiracy theory, is silly and you have no actual evidence besides some sort of silly assumptions, your "proof by 10 year old knowledge" just backs my point further.
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
Since all these anonymous cowards are linking to the SockDisclosure journal, then the only conclusion I can get is that you all are the same person!
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
There's a conspiracy theory that he masses accounts, and the conspiracy theory is based on hard evidence such as "they agree with each other".
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
Microsoft is to cloud computing as smogulous smog is to swammy swans.
...sounds like vaporware to me!
More vaporware from Microsoft.
Anyone can whine on and on about Microsoft is trying to take over the world, well wake up... Google, Apple, IBM, they all want the world to use their stuff. The problem, Microsoft just does it better. I agree with Ray, Microsoft has positioned them in an awesomely. Honestly, if it wasn't for programibility, Windows would not be where it is. Of the apps you use, how many of them are non-Microsoft? Almost all the apps I use at work (minus Office and VS2008), they are non-Microsoft. They are third party engineering apps.
For businesses that just want to run their code online (the cloud) without spending money on infrastructure and focus on what they do best is wicked!!! I wish we had Windows Azure six years ago when we were paying too damn much for TELUS hosting. We couldn't use open source, we had to use Microsoft, it was corporate standard.
If Microsoft listens, they get blasted, Microsoft doesn't listen, they get blasted. You want to bitch and complain about Microsoft fine, but I don't see Apple offering this type of service. They are too busy playing with their Jesus Phone.
This "revolutionary" "new" technology is based on rpc. . . er, I mean DNA. . . er, I mean OLE. . . er, I mean COM. . . er, I mean DCOM. . . er, I mean dotNET. . . um - hey, Marketing guys, we need a new name for the tech we borrowed from IBM back in the 1980's so our customers think that we're actually investing in R&D. . . whaddya got? What's hip and sexy this year? Azure? You sure? wasn't that like "old n busted" back in 2003? no? Consumers got short memories? okay - "Azure" it is!
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
If you read it correctly, that is.
"Cloud computing" in the MS sense means "contains a lot of hot air and vapor, both having negative impact on the stability of a computer's operation".
Makes sense, makes a lot of sense. But technically, MS has been cloud computing for years, where's the news?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Well, it almost always is a trap. I can't remember one single hystory about Microsoft doing something good that was marked with itsatrap (AKA all of them) that wasn't. And if there were a few such cases, you can bet that the false positive rate of the marking is comparable to medicin examinations.
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Just way until they extend Rails, Phython and PHP, then you'll see where all their incoherent complex underdocumented and nonfunctional APIs came from.
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Oh oh, does it come with Solitaire!?
ok, I'll bite. My UID is way under 400k and I have no idea who these people are.
guess I should not have clicked the post anonymously box when I said my UID was under 400k :-D
I reject your reality
Word up, the trolltard just added you to his lame ass list.
Word up, the trolltard just added you to his lame ass list.
Heh. I suppose I should be honored.
Thanks for the heads up.
Twitter? Who is this Twitter? I thought it was one of those mindless social networking tools.
Someone's probably posted it, but my immediate reaction reading about Azure was that MS had changed from BSOD to ASOD...
Please see my latest Journal entry.
He is something like a blind fanatic. He doesn't really understand what he is advocating and makes the rest of us who advocate more or less the same thing[1] look bad, but prefer to coexist peacefully (ie without name calling, etc.) or prefer to coexist without offering blind obedience to Richard Stallman.
In the only personal conversation I ever had with Richard Stallman, he told me that even though XEmacs was faithfully GPL, he must declare war on me (being the absolute dictator of XEmacs at the time) because the copyrights were not all assigned to him.
I do not find this to be useful behavior.
Many others of us do not find this to be useful behavior either.
Please note for the record also, that it was under my watch at XEmacs that official native (ie not Cygwin) Microsoft Windows support was added.
[1] My preferred platform for anything is Unix-based and preferably Linux. I also have great respect for the BSDs and like what Apple has done on top of one of them.
Well, your UID is lower than mine, but I was here when Sig11 and l335 j03 were still active, and I had no idea who twitter and/or his supposed sock puppets were till I started seeing FOAF (I have it at +5) posts complaining about it. I still don't really understand what's going on, and frankly I don't care.
In any event, Sig11 was a famous karma whore back when karma was numbered and uncapped. More here.
l33t j03 was basically a pro-windows troll, and he had a crappy ASCII-art IE logo in his sig. An interesting persona to be sure. You could probably swing a pretty good karma racket by doing something similar, then responding (as a different user) with pro-linux posts. I've had my karma on all my accounts capped at 'Excellent' for years, though.
There is nothing wrong with fair competition, but Microsoft does not consider any competitor as being fair competition. Their business model is destroy competition and then milk the market for what they can get. Outside of the USA, countries are fearful of the USA holding all the source and control of their software. Microsoft, to succeed, will have to become a global developer, where semi-autonomous software labs are established in each country where such concerns are present. (Europe, Russia, Euraisia, South America, etc. ) Regarding Linux, it is already that way, and the plus is that the source code is open. Regarding cloud computing, here again, for security, each country will want to own it's own cloud systems. The era of a Microsoft only world is passe. Will we soon see FOSS cloud systems?
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
Wow mods, you really seem to care too much about this whole deal, this discussion was two days old and you still take the time to mod it down...
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
WTF is up with the names? First minory (green), now azure (blue). Is this some sort of final salute to the dead XP (Netcraft confirms it), or what? Personaly, I find these minty colurs refreshing, but something in red, black matalic and chrome would really hit the spot after all these (what, 7?) years. Just my $0.03.
I know tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack.
Well, clouds are composed of water vapor/vapour, so does this make it 'vaporware'?
The question in my mind is, "Can it be done better in Linux?"