Uhm, my computer is pretty stable if I keep it at room temperature, low humidity, and unplugged.
Pompeii and Herculaneum probably had an environment that were pretty conducive to working electronics in their heyday too.
And we'd only need one of 'my computer' to survive to read almost every hard disk currently manufactured.
You also need to have an idea about how it works and how to make it run, otherwise it's possible to damage it beyond repair in the process of learning about it. It'd suck if they applied 500 VAC at 120 cycles and blew up the power supply, or all the capacitors in the machine had dried out and were non-functional, or it had suffered some other kind of irreparable physical damage. Long-term preservation of information isn't something trivial to achieve, and I think the parent poster is correct in pointing out that it's something we should really start thinking about.
Staying together in a group is simply advantageous tactically, and doesn't say anything about the strength or weakness of its members. Let us know how it works out the next time you go up to a lone Mara Salvatrucha member and call him a pussy.
I'd think so, which brings to mind a way to deal with the idiocy if the government chooses to go down that road - simply make it known to the government that you're using the trademark via certified letter, and get as many people as you know to do the same, and let the cycle continue. You'd have be ready for the potential legal consequences (dilution, etc.), since there's a pretty big potential of confusion between the Feds and the Mongols, being that they're both armed gangs with a limited grasp on the concept of freedom and all.
I wasn't arguing otherwise, but I did mean to point out that judgements under US law could very well have an effect regardless of where a site or domain registrar may be located, so putting a site offshore isn't necessarily a magic talisman that can ward off all evil. The "full faith and credit" clause of the Constitution might become a factor (who knows), and we all know that Congress *loves* to get their fingers into anything that might remotely be confused with interstate commerce.
Deionized water next to charged metal surfaces= ionized water. DI water is only good in labwork where you are using glassware.
That's why you have deionization filters in the circuit, and filtered water works wonderfully as a coolant in laser systems, even lamp-pumped systems where the electrodes are immersed and are passing 15 or so amps at better than 100 VDC. One thing that I did miss and that another poster pointed out, however, was that the corrosive nature of the water will not be particularly good for the leads and traces on the board. Mea culpa.
That's why in any DI-chilled system, you run it for a bit to let the filter pull the crap out of the water before applying any power anywhere with an interlock that kills power if the water gets too conductive.
True - I hadn't considered the corrosive nature of the water. Where I've used it (immersive cooling for lasers), it's not a problem, but you're right that there are some metals on a circuit board that might not be happy in it over the long term.
I'm paying $79/month for a 2.8 GHz P4 system with a gig of RAM and a 120 gig disk. I'm on a 100 megabit switch (and can actually use that bandwidth) and can transfer 2 terabytes each month. I also pay an additional $16/month for 100 gigs of space at another provider, since I don't want to have my backups at the same facility.
So it can be used safely by the idiots who overclock.
So could deionized water, for less money. I totally agree that there's really nothing new here, but I guess everyone's happy as long as the investors don't know that.:-)
The advantage is that it cools all the components in the system, not just those that have a water block or heat sink on them, so I'd imagine the components will last longer. Not that it really matters, since the system will almost certainly have been replaced well before the components start failing, not to mention that for the same price premium you could probably buy a closet full of spare parts.
Or you could avoid the possibility of damaging any rubber/plastic components by immersing in DI water rather than oil. Fill the system up, bang it around a bit to dislodge any bubbles, run the pump for half an hour or so to let the DI filter get anything conductive out of the water, then you're good to go. I think I'd rather deal with a leak of a couple of gallons of DI water rather than some weird mineral oil that will likely ruin anything it touches. You'd have to change out the DI cartridge every year or so, but I think overall the system would be easier (and cheaper) to work with.
No, no gaming stuff. Just e-mail, the web sites I maintain, and some other odds and ends, with backup storage in a different data center on the other side of the country.:-)
And this is why I lease a dedicated box with clearly defined monthly transfer limits, overage charges, and uptime SLA. Yeah, it costs a tad more than $7.99/month, but it's always there and if I ever need to submit a support ticket, it's usually answered in less than a minute.
Always remember: Apple is a hardware company that builds high quality hardware
High-quality? It's been my experience that Apple's hardware is of no higher quality than any other builder's. I can give you a laundry list of busted Macs that I have personal experience with, while my Frankenbox built from off-the-shelf parts that has evolved over the past several years has had exactly zero hardware problems.
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Amateur.
And in a thousand years some bearded guy will discover couple of those stones, come down the mountain and will base a religion around it.
:-)
I don't think RMS will be around then, and the cult of the GPL won't either.
Uhm, my computer is pretty stable if I keep it at room temperature, low humidity, and unplugged.
Pompeii and Herculaneum probably had an environment that were pretty conducive to working electronics in their heyday too.
And we'd only need one of 'my computer' to survive to read almost every hard disk currently manufactured.
You also need to have an idea about how it works and how to make it run, otherwise it's possible to damage it beyond repair in the process of learning about it. It'd suck if they applied 500 VAC at 120 cycles and blew up the power supply, or all the capacitors in the machine had dried out and were non-functional, or it had suffered some other kind of irreparable physical damage. Long-term preservation of information isn't something trivial to achieve, and I think the parent poster is correct in pointing out that it's something we should really start thinking about.
This is also one of the big reasons why you see so many 73GB and 140GB SAS/SATA drives in raid arrays
Didn't you mean SAS/SCSI? Most of the servers I've seen with smaller disks have been one of those, at rather brisk spindle speeds.
Staying together in a group is simply advantageous tactically, and doesn't say anything about the strength or weakness of its members. Let us know how it works out the next time you go up to a lone Mara Salvatrucha member and call him a pussy.
(Cue a flood of cynical responses saying that the police would merely have to rebrand their existing product line.)
[cynicism] The police would merely have to rebrand their existing product line. [/cynicism]
It does have a Terry Gilliam sort of flavor to it, I'll admit. :-)
Don't they then have to defend the trade mark?
I'd think so, which brings to mind a way to deal with the idiocy if the government chooses to go down that road - simply make it known to the government that you're using the trademark via certified letter, and get as many people as you know to do the same, and let the cycle continue. You'd have be ready for the potential legal consequences (dilution, etc.), since there's a pretty big potential of confusion between the Feds and the Mongols, being that they're both armed gangs with a limited grasp on the concept of freedom and all.
Stock trading, loseing it all in a stock crash: affects your family.
Weren't we already talking about gambling?
I wasn't arguing otherwise, but I did mean to point out that judgements under US law could very well have an effect regardless of where a site or domain registrar may be located, so putting a site offshore isn't necessarily a magic talisman that can ward off all evil. The "full faith and credit" clause of the Constitution might become a factor (who knows), and we all know that Congress *loves* to get their fingers into anything that might remotely be confused with interstate commerce.
So the trick is to host your servers and register your domain in a country where a court order from Kentucky is going to be recycled as toilet paper.
That's fine in theory, but remember that ICANN, who controls the root servers, is a US corporation based in California.
That's why DI chiller systems are always recirculated and have a filter to pull anything out that might make the water conductive.
Deionized water next to charged metal surfaces= ionized water. DI water is only good in labwork where you are using glassware.
That's why you have deionization filters in the circuit, and filtered water works wonderfully as a coolant in laser systems, even lamp-pumped systems where the electrodes are immersed and are passing 15 or so amps at better than 100 VDC. One thing that I did miss and that another poster pointed out, however, was that the corrosive nature of the water will not be particularly good for the leads and traces on the board. Mea culpa.
That's why in any DI-chilled system, you run it for a bit to let the filter pull the crap out of the water before applying any power anywhere with an interlock that kills power if the water gets too conductive.
True - I hadn't considered the corrosive nature of the water. Where I've used it (immersive cooling for lasers), it's not a problem, but you're right that there are some metals on a circuit board that might not be happy in it over the long term.
I'm paying $79/month for a 2.8 GHz P4 system with a gig of RAM and a 120 gig disk. I'm on a 100 megabit switch (and can actually use that bandwidth) and can transfer 2 terabytes each month. I also pay an additional $16/month for 100 gigs of space at another provider, since I don't want to have my backups at the same facility.
So it can be used safely by the idiots who overclock.
:-)
So could deionized water, for less money. I totally agree that there's really nothing new here, but I guess everyone's happy as long as the investors don't know that.
The advantage is that it cools all the components in the system, not just those that have a water block or heat sink on them, so I'd imagine the components will last longer. Not that it really matters, since the system will almost certainly have been replaced well before the components start failing, not to mention that for the same price premium you could probably buy a closet full of spare parts.
Or you could avoid the possibility of damaging any rubber/plastic components by immersing in DI water rather than oil. Fill the system up, bang it around a bit to dislodge any bubbles, run the pump for half an hour or so to let the DI filter get anything conductive out of the water, then you're good to go. I think I'd rather deal with a leak of a couple of gallons of DI water rather than some weird mineral oil that will likely ruin anything it touches. You'd have to change out the DI cartridge every year or so, but I think overall the system would be easier (and cheaper) to work with.
Because I don't care enough to spend any time on it and wouldn't consider them for hosting anyway?
No, no gaming stuff. Just e-mail, the web sites I maintain, and some other odds and ends, with backup storage in a different data center on the other side of the country. :-)
And this is why I lease a dedicated box with clearly defined monthly transfer limits, overage charges, and uptime SLA. Yeah, it costs a tad more than $7.99/month, but it's always there and if I ever need to submit a support ticket, it's usually answered in less than a minute.
And in case anyone was wondering, it looks like their host is IX Web Hosting.
The $100,000,000.00 is, but the "if you quietly stop making them" that's the key part there. :-D
Always remember: Apple is a hardware company that builds high quality hardware
High-quality? It's been my experience that Apple's hardware is of no higher quality than any other builder's. I can give you a laundry list of busted Macs that I have personal experience with, while my Frankenbox built from off-the-shelf parts that has evolved over the past several years has had exactly zero hardware problems.