Ye gods.. Data files are NOT code. The GPL is also only enforced on the licensee, the licenser is free to GPL or not parts of the original code, if they do not themselves distribute them togeather. For example, I could write a program that says, "Hello, world!" and also says "How are you?". It would be my perogative to release only the "Hello, world!" function under GPL, and a version under a completely different license with both functions. I am the copyright holder for all the code, and can license it in all ways that I want.. Whatever codebase I merge other peoples GPL'd code into must all be opened, however, because I am not the copyright holder and cannot relicense the code.
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Nope, westlake is free to keep their stuff propriatary under the license they originally got the code under.. The owner of the code can release the code to as many different people under as many different licenses as he wishes, and the code stays under the licence it is issued under even if it is issued again to someone else... In one of the text files that comes with the source, this was said: "If you want to do something commercial and you just can't bear to have your source changes released, we could still negotiate a separate license agreement (for $$$), but I would encourage you to just live with the GPL." Typical commercial licenses are still availible, if silly at this point..
www.google.com turns up quite a few reviews if you search for "keyboard review computer" (minus the quotes). http://www.reviewbooth.com/ is a meta-review site, that links to recent reviews all over the web. (check the peripherals at this link: http://www.reviewbooth.com/hardware/pr_review_ha rdware.asp?SearchString=peripherals&Search String2=91) Also Thresh's firing squad has a really good keyboard review (imho anyway). Check it out at: http://www.firingsquad.com/guides/keyboards/defa ult.asp
Um.. Actually, my experience has been about the same.. Backups are worth the money if you need them, and the cheaper "consumer" QIC drives have given me fits, but the DDS drives I've used have never failed me.. Of course, YMMV..
Oh gawd... You can't be serious.. Solaris on sparc has a huge advantage over linux: Fiber Channel. Their SPARCStorage Array, 5200 and 5400 storage arrays an be attatched to as many machines as need be with a fiber channel hub, and have 1Gbit transfer rates. Sorry, but at this point, Sun storage is just darn better then what we can use for linux, but it is quite expensive.
True. I wasn't saying that Christianity is necessarily true, though I have come to believe that it is. I am pointing to what I believe is some relevant evidence that this person may not have considered, and to point to a place to do further research.
If you come to a conclusion based soley on your own small sphere of knowledege without making consious efforts to see things from all sides and hunt down evidence from other researchers and on your own, you have made a conclusion on flakey grounds. And a decision with all the posible ramifications of your religion/worldview, I believe it is something that is worth researching fully from every angle you can before making a declaration, and always be aware that there is a huge amount of evidence in many directions you will never have the time or brainpower to decipher. However, we must look for the most convincing answer in wierd places as well as the ones that look comfortable to us.
Your post includes the notion of absolute truth, which shows some of your bias already. There are many such concepts that must be considered as evidence in our quest also.
To sum all this up, our lives are lived by hypothesis, and to cling to our belief without research and examanation is rediculous. I wish to point to research I believe is enlightining.
Before I rant;-) let me ask you a question... Do you believe in electricity? In wind? These things have certain measurable effects on the world, but are not visible phenomena. I believe God is much like this.
There are three main evidences that I have seen for God. 1) Man's inherent moral nature 2) Prophicies fufilled 3) His action in my life
Mans moral nature: C.S. Lewis, a Oxford Prof. or English literature found this to be one of the most convincing evidences for God. He wrote about our "God shaped hole" and how we react to many things in the visable world shows evidence for God. To explain his points well would take to long right now, if you are interested I can write a bit more, or read "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis. (if you are interested I'll even send you a copy, or your local library will have one.)
(here's a quote from a review on amazon.com: A staunch agnostic, I read this in college and was floored by the imagery Lewis brings to faith. This book may not convert you, but it offers a view of the power of faith that few writers can create. Religion, in and of itself, is a concept absent of scientific validity because, at its core, is faith. If you are looking for a historical critique or a philosophical deconstruction of Christianity then don't bother becuase, and I will state again, you won't get it. The fact that some will claim the failings of this book are its "flowery postulates without a hint of evidence" show themselves to be living examples of certain characters in the world Lewis creates. It is his attempt to explain that which can not be contained by language that makes this book great. He does not write to prove, he writes to elucidate. It is as if you are reading a landscape painting. As for the advice to the Atheists, yes, read this book. You might possibly grasp the concept of faith and realize that your "disbelief" is itself a faith, much like Lewis describes, and that your Atheism is a disbelief against the God that is defined and not the God that is.)
Also you might want to do some research on the Bible, find out how many copies we have, and from when. You will find that we have copies of some of the "Old testament" books from at least a few hundred years before Christ, and every shread of evidence says that they have been around for a long time before that. (we have pieces of books and tablets and such from much before that) It seams that the bible was written by 40 different authors in 10 different countries over a period of 1500 years. It contains 333 different prophicies about Jesus, with about 60 "major" prophicies. These prophecies included his lineage, his birthplace, his reception by his people, his betrayal and death in minute detail, and many other prophecies. The odds of just 8 of there prophecies coming true in one individual is approx. 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000. The odds of all of them coming true is incredible. Yet, we have records in the Bible of all of these, and no evidence to deny them, despite the fact that the major power of the time hated Christians (burning them alive, etc) and would have loved to be able to prove it wrong. Some of the fulfilment of these proficies are recorded in secular histories also, and by people who disliked Christians also.
There is an astounding amount of evidence for Christianity, just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Josh McDowell, an once "anti-thiest" who went to Isreal to disprove the Bible once and for all, came back as one of Christianities loudest spokesmen. The evidence he found was largely published in a two volume set, "Evidence that demands a verdict". This is a good source of historical information to show that prophecy happened in the Bible, plus that the bible is historically accurate and evidence that Christ did what the Bible said he did.
Both of the above combined make a rather strong case for Christianity. There are pleanty more writers who I could point you to you make a strong case for Chirstianity, and you would do well to learn a bit about what the eveidence is before you default to no evidence. Research, then conclude, or you are at best a religious bigot, not the rational thinker you believe you are..
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You should check out jed, it has all the things you say you like about emacs without all the bloat emacs has accumulated.
It was MI/X, at one point it was freeware, now it is shareware.. I still use the old freeware version at home.. I might be able to scare up a copy, if anyone's interested..
That's just to easy to shoot down.. If you want a monitor with crapy resolution, and crappy input devices, sure, go for the dedicated gaming system.. For the games I like(FPS, real time strategy) mouse just owns any other controller. Also, you can use the same speaker system you do for your tv gaming as you can for your Computer gaming.. I have 500 watt system with a 300 watt sub, and my gaming souds kick ass. I never understood why people waste money on crappy "multimedia" speakers... Also, my 21" screen is quite adaquite, thank you very much, especially cuz with the added resolution, you can sit arms length away and have a nice, crisp, clear, large, picture, the virtual equivelent size of a huge projection screen from normal viewing distance of most console players..
were you running lightmap lighting? Lightmap lighting makes me have a lot of texture problems (Voodoo 2, 8 meg, Celeron 400, 128mb ram), but they go away when I use vertex lighting..
Hehhe.. remember playing this on my new ultra fast *286-12mhz*! I mean, this was the latest and greatest in computer power! And i remember most of the games of the time were make to run on 8080's, and were cycle timed rather then clock timed, so they all ran like 3 times too fast on my mad gaming machine;-)
And what gives you that idea? The majority of Warez DuDes are windows users.. I bought redhat 4.0, 5.1, and may buy 6.1 also.. I also bought quake2 for linux, Civ_CTP, and Myth2. I also bought some backup software.. If software is good enough, I will buy it.
Value Linux gaming system: celeron 400 (ppga version, $60-70) abit bm6 mb ($70-90) 64 mb PC-100 ram ($70) Voodoo 3 2000 ($100) (or if you really wanna skimp, Voodoo 2 for $50 gives good results too..) soundcard ($20-60) 8 gig hd ($100) I assume you already hava monitor, kb, mouse... Get an everglide mousepad ($17) from www.everglide.com, makes a huge difference in mouse tracking for near nothing...
Heck yeah! This card for me would be primarily playing quake2 and quake3. In these games, higher texture settings make things more realistic then the higher geometry settings, IMHO. My current V2 can't handle that, but this thing will be pleanty fast enough to run full detail @ 1024x768 for the two games I will play most in the next year, and do it darn fast.. I think that Q3 looks pretty darn nice, not very "blocky" looking at all... Besides, by the time this card actually gets realeased, I'll be running dual 1 Ghz athalon's on my DDR SDRAM board hopefully, and will just need darn fast fillrate;-) My processors will be faster then hardware t&l for the near future I think, in another year or two there should be a card with decent fillrate and fast T&L that I will buy...
"T-Buffers are a joke. A product without 32 bit colour is a joke too." Um.. Sorry, but T-buffers will only be in upcoming products. So you did reference them...
I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on your t-buffer comment, but I know my current card doesn't do hardware anti-aliasing, the V5 will, and it's a feature I really want. You can comlain all you like, but it seems useful to me...
I bought a Voodoo2 about 2 years ago, it was about $120 at the time I believe, and it's still fast enought for me... In graphics hardware, you can skip 2 generations and buy the third, and save yourself a lot of money.. Just because some people always have to have the best, doesn't mean older stuff won't cut it... I have a celeron 400, 128mb ram (bought when it was cheap;-), 32 cdrom drive, voodoo 2, 8 gig hard drive, all of which I picked up for about $500, and it makes a "good enough" gaming system (much better then the playstation), plus I can code, serf the web, etc on my machine also...
(hint: always buy less then the best.. I bought my celeron 400 when 500 was the top of the line, and it cost 1/3 the price of the 500, for a small difference in speed. If you stay one or two behind the best, you can always have a "good enough" system for really cheap..
Well, it doesn't really have a DVD decoder, just does hardware yuv to rgb conversion, the absolute lowest level of DVD acceleration that is on every card made in the last year... this acceleration accounts for very little of the DVD decoding (somewhere around 10% or so I believe), and the majority must still be done in software.
It's just basically a marketing buzzword check-off feature. (this is not to say there aren't cards out there that have more acceleration, some do have quite a bit..)
It's sdram, they are betting on the sli effect to relieve their bandwidth problems.. I'm afraid that that's not gonna cut it though.. Sigh... MAybe the voodoo 6 will have ddrsdram and a gpu...
Umm.. The v4/5 will have 32 bit color. T-buffer is a nice feature I have wanted a long time, as non-anti-aliased renderings do tend to look pretty bad in game play.. It's not as great as 3Dfx hypes it to be, but is something I have been wanting for a while.. If only there was a decent gpu attatched, but when I can get my 1ghz athalon by the time this comes out, fillrate and visual quality will be the issues I believe... Antialiased rendering at 1024x768 or above has the potential to have great visual quality and we know this card has fillrate. Have to see how xfree86 4.0 turns out, and what new products are on the table by then, though...
FreeBSD is also a good choice used by some companies though, for example it was used for the Matrix special effects.. However, no 3D cards were used in this rendering, so this is getting really offtopic.. I'll stop now;-)
Did I mention that redhat was the distro. used by Digital domain? And that it was also used for a flock of Superbowl commercials? (the most expensive airtime on TV..)
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Data files are NOT code.
The GPL is also only enforced on the licensee, the licenser is free to GPL or not parts of the original code, if they do not themselves distribute them togeather.
For example, I could write a program that says, "Hello, world!" and also says "How are you?".
It would be my perogative to release only the "Hello, world!" function under GPL, and a version under a completely different license with both functions. I am the copyright holder for all the code, and can license it in all ways that I want..
Whatever codebase I merge other peoples GPL'd code into must all be opened, however, because I am not the copyright holder and cannot relicense the code.
Nope, westlake is free to keep their stuff propriatary under the license they originally got the code under..
The owner of the code can release the code to as many different people under as many different licenses as he wishes, and the code stays under the licence it is issued under even if it is issued again to someone else...
In one of the text files that comes with the source, this was said:
"If you want to do something commercial and you just can't bear to have your source changes released, we could still negotiate a separate license agreement (for $$$), but I would encourage you to just live with the GPL."
Typical commercial licenses are still availible, if silly at this point..
www.google.com turns up quite a few reviews if you search for "keyboard review computer" (minus thea rdware.asp?SearchString=peripherals&Search String2=91) a ult.asp
quotes).
http://www.reviewbooth.com/ is a meta-review site, that links to recent reviews all over the web. (check the peripherals at this link:
http://www.reviewbooth.com/hardware/pr_review_h
Also Thresh's firing squad has a really good keyboard review (imho anyway). Check it out at:
http://www.firingsquad.com/guides/keyboards/def
Hoe that helps.
Um..
Actually, my experience has been about the same..
Backups are worth the money if you need them, and the cheaper "consumer" QIC drives have given me fits, but the DDS drives I've used have never failed me..
Of course, YMMV..
Oh gawd...
You can't be serious..
Solaris on sparc has a huge advantage over linux: Fiber Channel.
Their SPARCStorage Array, 5200 and 5400 storage arrays an be attatched to as many machines as need be with a fiber channel hub, and have 1Gbit transfer rates. Sorry, but at this point, Sun storage is just darn better then what we can use for linux, but it is quite expensive.
True.
I wasn't saying that Christianity is necessarily true, though I have come to believe that it is. I am pointing to what I believe is some relevant evidence that this person may not have considered, and to point to a place to do further research.
If you come to a conclusion based soley on your own small sphere of knowledege without making consious efforts to see things from all sides and hunt down evidence from other researchers and on your own, you have made a conclusion on flakey grounds. And a decision with all the posible ramifications of your religion/worldview, I believe it is something that is worth researching fully from every angle you can before making a declaration, and always be aware that there is a huge amount of evidence in many directions you will never have the time or brainpower to decipher. However, we must look for the most convincing answer in wierd places as well as the ones that look comfortable to us.
Your post includes the notion of absolute truth, which shows some of your bias already. There are many such concepts that must be considered as evidence in our quest also.
To sum all this up, our lives are lived by hypothesis, and to cling to our belief without research and examanation is rediculous. I wish to point to research I believe is enlightining.
Before I rant ;-) let me ask you a question...
Do you believe in electricity? In wind? These things have certain measurable effects on the world, but are not visible phenomena. I believe God is much like this.
There are three main evidences that I have seen for God.
1) Man's inherent moral nature
2) Prophicies fufilled
3) His action in my life
Mans moral nature:
C.S. Lewis, a Oxford Prof. or English literature found this to be one of the most convincing evidences for God. He wrote about our "God shaped hole" and how we react to many things in the visable world shows evidence for God. To explain his points well would take to long right now, if you are interested I can write a bit more, or read "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis. (if you are interested I'll even send you a copy, or your local library will have one.)
(here's a quote from a review on amazon.com:
A staunch agnostic, I read this in college and was floored by the imagery Lewis brings to faith. This book may not convert you, but it offers a view of the power of faith that few writers can create. Religion, in and of itself, is a concept absent of scientific validity because, at its core, is faith. If you are looking for a historical critique or a philosophical deconstruction of Christianity then don't bother becuase, and I will state again, you won't get it. The fact that some will claim the failings of this book are its "flowery postulates without a hint of evidence" show themselves to be living examples of certain characters in the world Lewis creates. It is his attempt to explain that which can not be contained by language that makes this book great. He does not write to prove, he writes to elucidate. It is as if you are reading a landscape painting.
As for the advice to the Atheists, yes, read this book. You might possibly grasp the concept of faith and realize that your "disbelief" is itself a faith, much like Lewis describes, and that your Atheism is a disbelief against the God that is defined and not the God that is.)
Also you might want to do some research on the Bible, find out how many copies we have, and from when.
You will find that we have copies of some of the "Old testament" books from at least a few hundred years before Christ, and every shread of evidence says that they have been around for a long time before that. (we have pieces of books and tablets and such from much before that) It seams that the bible was written by 40 different authors in 10 different countries over a period of 1500 years.
It contains 333 different prophicies about Jesus, with about 60 "major" prophicies. These prophecies included his lineage, his birthplace, his reception by his people, his betrayal and death in minute detail, and many other prophecies. The odds of just 8 of there prophecies coming true in one individual is approx. 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000. The odds of all of them coming true is incredible.
Yet, we have records in the Bible of all of these, and no evidence to deny them, despite the fact that the major power of the time hated Christians (burning them alive, etc) and would have loved to be able to prove it wrong. Some of the fulfilment of these proficies are recorded in secular histories also, and by people who disliked Christians also.
There is an astounding amount of evidence for Christianity, just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Josh McDowell, an once "anti-thiest" who went to Isreal to disprove the Bible once and for all, came back as one of Christianities loudest spokesmen.
The evidence he found was largely published in a two volume set, "Evidence that demands a verdict".
This is a good source of historical information to show that prophecy happened in the Bible, plus that the bible is historically accurate and evidence that Christ did what the Bible said he did.
Both of the above combined make a rather strong case for Christianity. There are pleanty more writers who I could point you to you make a strong case for Chirstianity, and you would do well to learn a bit about what the eveidence is before you default to no evidence. Research, then conclude, or you are at best a religious bigot, not the rational thinker you believe you are..
You should check out jed, it has all the things you say you like about emacs without all the bloat emacs has accumulated.
It was MI/X, at one point it was freeware, now it is shareware..
I still use the old freeware version at home..
I might be able to scare up a copy, if anyone's interested..
That's just to easy to shoot down..
If you want a monitor with crapy resolution, and crappy input devices, sure, go for the dedicated gaming system..
For the games I like(FPS, real time strategy) mouse just owns any other controller.
Also, you can use the same speaker system you do for your tv gaming as you can for your Computer gaming..
I have 500 watt system with a 300 watt sub, and my gaming souds kick ass.
I never understood why people waste money on crappy "multimedia" speakers...
Also, my 21" screen is quite adaquite, thank you very much, especially cuz with the added resolution, you can sit arms length away and have a nice, crisp, clear, large, picture, the virtual equivelent size of a huge projection screen from normal viewing distance of most console players..
Yup, I have the same card, same problem...
Setting it to "vertex lighting" makes the problem go away...
were you running lightmap lighting?
Lightmap lighting makes me have a lot of texture problems (Voodoo 2, 8 meg, Celeron 400, 128mb ram), but they go away when I use vertex lighting..
Hehhe.. remember playing this on my new ultra fast *286-12mhz*! I mean, this was the latest and greatest in computer power! ;-)
And i remember most of the games of the time were make to run on 8080's, and were cycle timed rather then clock timed, so they all ran like 3 times too fast on my mad gaming machine
And what gives you that idea?
The majority of Warez DuDes are windows users..
I bought redhat 4.0, 5.1, and may buy 6.1 also..
I also bought quake2 for linux, Civ_CTP, and Myth2.
I also bought some backup software..
If software is good enough, I will buy it.
Value Linux gaming system:
celeron 400 (ppga version, $60-70)
abit bm6 mb ($70-90)
64 mb PC-100 ram ($70)
Voodoo 3 2000 ($100) (or if you really wanna skimp, Voodoo 2 for $50 gives good results too..)
soundcard ($20-60)
8 gig hd ($100)
I assume you already hava monitor, kb, mouse...
Get an everglide mousepad ($17) from www.everglide.com, makes a huge difference in mouse tracking for near nothing...
They said the binaries will be forthcomming, but will be about a month after the release..
Heck yeah! ;-)
This card for me would be primarily playing quake2 and quake3.
In these games, higher texture settings make things more realistic then the higher geometry settings, IMHO.
My current V2 can't handle that, but this thing will be pleanty fast enough to run full detail @ 1024x768 for the two games I will play most in the next year, and do it darn fast..
I think that Q3 looks pretty darn nice, not very "blocky" looking at all...
Besides, by the time this card actually gets realeased, I'll be running dual 1 Ghz athalon's on my DDR SDRAM board hopefully, and will just need darn fast fillrate
My processors will be faster then hardware t&l for the near future I think, in another year or two there should be a card with decent fillrate and fast T&L that I will buy...
"T-Buffers are a joke. A product without 32 bit colour is a joke too."
Um.. Sorry, but T-buffers will only be in upcoming products. So you did reference them...
I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on your t-buffer comment, but I know my current card doesn't do hardware anti-aliasing, the V5 will, and it's a feature I really want. You can comlain all you like, but it seems useful to me...
128MB=32MB per SLI chip...
It will act like a 32 meg card for the most part..
I bought a Voodoo2 about 2 years ago, it was about $120 at the time I believe, and it's still fast enought for me... ;-), 32 cdrom drive, voodoo 2, 8 gig hard drive, all of which I picked up for about $500, and it makes a "good enough" gaming system (much better then the playstation), plus I can code, serf the web, etc on my machine also...
In graphics hardware, you can skip 2 generations and buy the third, and save yourself a lot of money.. Just because some people always have to have the best, doesn't mean older stuff won't cut it...
I have a celeron 400, 128mb ram (bought when it was cheap
(hint: always buy less then the best.. I bought my celeron 400 when 500 was the top of the line, and it cost 1/3 the price of the 500, for a small difference in speed. If you stay one or two behind the best, you can always have a "good enough" system for really cheap..
Well, it doesn't really have a DVD decoder, just does hardware yuv to rgb conversion, the absolute lowest level of DVD acceleration that is on every card made in the last year... this acceleration accounts for very little of the DVD decoding (somewhere around 10% or so I believe), and the majority must still be done in software.
It's just basically a marketing buzzword check-off feature.
(this is not to say there aren't cards out there that have more acceleration, some do have quite a bit..)
It's sdram, they are betting on the sli effect to relieve their bandwidth problems.. I'm afraid that that's not gonna cut it though.. Sigh...
MAybe the voodoo 6 will have ddrsdram and a gpu...
Umm.. The v4/5 will have 32 bit color.
T-buffer is a nice feature I have wanted a long time, as non-anti-aliased renderings do tend to look pretty bad in game play.. It's not as great as 3Dfx hypes it to be, but is something I have been wanting for a while..
If only there was a decent gpu attatched, but when I can get my 1ghz athalon by the time this comes out, fillrate and visual quality will be the issues I believe...
Antialiased rendering at 1024x768 or above has the potential to have great visual quality and we know this card has fillrate. Have to see how xfree86 4.0 turns out, and what new products are on the table by then, though...
FreeBSD is also a good choice used by some companies though, for example it was used for the Matrix special effects.. ;-)
However, no 3D cards were used in this rendering, so this is getting really offtopic.. I'll stop now
Did I mention that redhat was the distro. used by Digital domain? And that it was also used for a flock of Superbowl commercials? (the most expensive airtime on TV..)