CODE and CONTENT are two different things. We're talking about CODE. Right?
I agree with most of you guys, it seems to me that HTML is pretty damn un-copyrightable. What about all the free code sites, and all the O'Reilly books? Web Design is my job - please, whatever happens, don't let them take my <br> tag! My God, how would I feed my family?
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...since the rise of piracy and mp3s, record sales HAVE gone up, even without lowering the price. That's one of the major arguments in favor of free music...it doesn't really seem to be hurting anybody's sales at the moment. The lowering of CD prices will only continue the trend, IMHO.
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Maybe I read wrong but I think that for American corporations to grab up.eu domains will be pretty difficult. GOOD. I think domain squatting sucks, and am still pretty sore about the fog around.com,.net and.org....they MEAN something, and should have been regulated to retain that meaning. Yes, more TLDs!.art,.pol (politics),.xxx (let's face it, it's there); whatever it takes to help wade through the billions of sites all competing for ONE.com name. We end up having to add characters and make the names too long for anybody to remember or type correctly (I worked on one a couple years back, www.stephenseuropeanbakery.com, holy crap that's a mouthful). It's just another headache for us web designers...as if browser wars and clients who want Flash movies of their dogs isn't enough. Yes, I realize that the public is pretty tuned in to the.com ending, and most folks still give you weird looks when you say.org, but with advertising you can change that; and as more folks hop online it will become easier to do. </rant>:-)
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I didn't mean no harm, honest... Would it help if I told you my lisence plate says "SERVO"? I can recognize crap, all I wanted to know was why they were ONLY looking at SF literature and not all of speculative SF, which would include tv/movies...the previous reply kinda took care of that, thanks.
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...but what about folks who defrag their hard drive every time they get a javascript run error.
I'm on the fence between ease of use and mandatory education. (Mostly cuz I drive a car but couldn't tell you how it works...pot calling the kettle, eh?)
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Why are they only looking through Sci-Fi books, and not television/movies? (Well, with the obvious exception of Mission to Mars, hehe.) I can think of a handful of Star Trek episodes that had far more plausible inventions than some of Asimov's stories...
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bill before the US House Of Reps. that would declare ALL published artistic musical work "work for hire". This is a VERY, VERY bad thing
I'm not a signed artist but this still pisses me off...all this focus on Napster and musician's rights has been drawing us away from finding out about this.
metallica's lawyers: "Hey, Napster is infringing on your rights! let's get 'em!"
metallica's record label: "Hey, now that we've pissed off your fans and gotten you lots of media attention, we thought we'd mention that we now own your work. Forever. And it's retroactive. Have a nice tour!"
What's a starving artist like me to do? Should we write our Congressperson? Storm the Senate? How about having a Million mp3 March?;-)
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Hey, we wrote and laid out our Zine using Star Office* running on Linux...you may not think $10,000 is a lot, but it would sure offset the cost of our new laser printer.;-) Hey, Redhat, we're Linux geeks, and we are guerilla artists - care to invest?
(*The copy I won in the AfterY2K lookalike contest, no less!)
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But Programmer A's son just got caught scratching his itch with Programmer B's underage daughter in the back of Programmer A's Chevy, and Programmer C is still at home scratching himself. (Ew.)
Just thought we should consider the human element.
Seriously though I think your flow chart for OSS growth is a bit optimistic...it sure would be nice if it did work that way but whenever you get more than one person involved in something there will be conflict.
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3) Enjoy free music from the mp3.com independant bands, rather than RIAA supported corporate music.
Right on! here are a couple suggestions to start: Luxurious Fur Sutur (Incidentally, Sutur got the Limp Bizkit Seal of Approval on MTV. Check Sutur's homepage for the video.) Mp3 bands are just as good, if not better than all that corporate rock. Most stuff on the radio is censored and watered-down, anyway.
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It sure sounds like good thing to do in the 21st century. What else is there to do?
Oh, I can think of a few things... - Find alternative fuel source(s) - Find cure for cancer, diabetes, alzheimer's, etc. - Figure out a way to bring government back to the people - Promote the free trade of ideas I could go on if you still need suggestions. If you are ever bored on a Sunday afternoon, gimme a call.:-)
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Thanks for not having a link to some religious propaganda at the end of your post. I was afraid for a second, there.
Happiness does not come from material wealth, you're right on. However, I do wish I could afford a bigger hard drive to store my band's mp3's on... Oh no, I've been brainwashed by geeks! I crave GEAR!:-)
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Think back to the time when nobody had ever heard of you, you were playing in crap bars for little or no cash, and you wish there was a way to get more people to dig your sound, because you believed that you rocked. (Which you did back in the day...)
Now, for all of the fledgling rockers of today, we have sites like mp3.com and people using things like Napster to spread the unsigned music. I am tickled when strangers download my latest song. I've gotten fan mail from as far away as France! Are you at all concerned that your actions to limit/kill the spread of free music will close so many of the doors that the internet has opened up for musicians like me? Have you really turned your back on the little guy?
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Anyway, when you have a central server like Napster
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Napster was a piece of SOFTWARE. There is no 'central server', just a bunch of mp3 hogs with big hard drives who open their systems up to other mp3 hogs so they can trade files... But like I said, maybe I'm wrong...:-)
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Exactly. CNet.com and some insurance company have their COMMERCIALS playing at the end of every show they sponsor. Granted it hasn't gotten as bad as regular television - yet - but it still bothers me. I do realize though that they're feeling the pinch to convert to digital and they probably need any extra sponsorship $$$ they can get...
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This is not cool. Joke all you want, but I am quite concerned...I've dealt with flooded basements from Nor-easters but something like this is just icky.
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Do you mean the media player or the developer's version? I've never paid my $29.95 to get the goodies... as far as a media player, what's unintuitive about a play button shaped like an arrow?
And as far as Aqua goes, all the Mac-heads I know are in LOOOOVE with OSX, not primarily because they think it will function any better, but it's just so PRETTY. I mean, this is the company who produces tangerine flavored laptops.;-)
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I guess I should've worded that better - I realize that/. has biases, but I believe them to be less dirty or greedy than the biases of other news sources. Here at/. you know that MS will get a bad rap and Open Source is untouchable. But I really don't know (nor do I have the time to find out) who NBC, ABC, CNN, et al are in bed with this week.
For the record, I get non-internet news from PBS. I support NOVA, so PBS is by proxy in bed with me, and that's alright!;-)
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This article summarizes all the reasons why I get all my 'net news right here at/. - because of spin, media pressure, sensationalism, etc... Sites like this are no better or different than television news shows. They are after ratings (hits) to please their sponsors (banner ads).
The only groovy thing I can say that ZDNet has had its hands in lately is Computer Stew.
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- it could make it difficult to legally transfer your property from one device to another.
This is damned scary. I can't even begin to count the number of mix tapes I traded with my friends throughout high school and college. Or the tapes I made of MY cds so I could listen to the music I BOUGHT in the car...
I imagine most actual bands and musicians would want their works transmitted freely over the net.
We do. Here's a quote I think sums up how I feel about this whole mess: "I know all the sites that have my bootlegs and all my MP3s. Actually, I don't give a flying fuck." --- David Bowie
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CODE and CONTENT are two different things. We're talking about CODE. Right?
I agree with most of you guys, it seems to me that HTML is pretty damn un-copyrightable. What about all the free code sites, and all the O'Reilly books? Web Design is my job - please, whatever happens, don't let them take my <br> tag! My God, how would I feed my family?
The Divine Creatrix in a Mortal Shell that stays Crunchy in Milk
...since the rise of piracy and mp3s, record sales HAVE gone up, even without lowering the price. That's one of the major arguments in favor of free music...it doesn't really seem to be hurting anybody's sales at the moment. The lowering of CD prices will only continue the trend, IMHO.
The Divine Creatrix in a Mortal Shell that stays Crunchy in Milk
Maybe I read wrong but I think that for American corporations to grab up .eu domains will be pretty difficult. GOOD. I think domain squatting sucks, and am still pretty sore about the fog around .com, .net and .org....they MEAN something, and should have been regulated to retain that meaning. Yes, more TLDs! .art, .pol (politics), .xxx (let's face it, it's there); whatever it takes to help wade through the billions of sites all competing for ONE .com name. We end up having to add characters and make the names too long for anybody to remember or type correctly (I worked on one a couple years back, www.stephenseuropeanbakery.com, holy crap that's a mouthful). It's just another headache for us web designers...as if browser wars and clients who want Flash movies of their dogs isn't enough. .com ending, and most folks still give you weird looks when you say .org, but with advertising you can change that; and as more folks hop online it will become easier to do. :-)
Yes, I realize that the public is pretty tuned in to the
</rant>
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I didn't mean no harm, honest...
Would it help if I told you my lisence plate says "SERVO"? I can recognize crap, all I wanted to know was why they were ONLY looking at SF literature and not all of speculative SF, which would include tv/movies...the previous reply kinda took care of that, thanks.
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...but what about folks who defrag their hard drive every time they get a javascript run error.
I'm on the fence between ease of use and mandatory education. (Mostly cuz I drive a car but couldn't tell you how it works...pot calling the kettle, eh?)
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Why are they only looking through Sci-Fi books, and not television/movies? (Well, with the obvious exception of Mission to Mars, hehe.)
I can think of a handful of Star Trek episodes that had far more plausible inventions than some of Asimov's stories...
The Divine Creatrix in a Mortal Shell that stays Crunchy in Milk
bill before the US House Of Reps. that would declare ALL published artistic musical work "work for hire". This is a VERY, VERY bad thing
;-)
I'm not a signed artist but this still pisses me off...all this focus on Napster and musician's rights has been drawing us away from finding out about this.
metallica's lawyers: "Hey, Napster is infringing on your rights! let's get 'em!"
metallica's record label: "Hey, now that we've pissed off your fans and gotten you lots of media attention, we thought we'd mention that we now own your work. Forever. And it's retroactive. Have a nice tour!"
What's a starving artist like me to do? Should we write our Congressperson? Storm the Senate? How about having a Million mp3 March?
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Hey, we wrote and laid out our Zine using Star Office* running on Linux...you may not think $10,000 is a lot, but it would sure offset the cost of our new laser printer. ;-)
Hey, Redhat, we're Linux geeks, and we are guerilla artists - care to invest?
(*The copy I won in the AfterY2K lookalike contest, no less!)
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But Programmer A's son just got caught scratching his itch with Programmer B's underage daughter in the back of Programmer A's Chevy, and Programmer C is still at home scratching himself. (Ew.)
Just thought we should consider the human element.
Seriously though I think your flow chart for OSS growth is a bit optimistic...it sure would be nice if it did work that way but whenever you get more than one person involved in something there will be conflict.
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3) Enjoy free music from the mp3.com independant bands, rather than RIAA supported corporate music.
Right on! here are a couple suggestions to start:
Luxurious Fur
Sutur
(Incidentally, Sutur got the Limp Bizkit Seal of Approval on MTV. Check Sutur's homepage for the video.) Mp3 bands are just as good, if not better than all that corporate rock. Most stuff on the radio is censored and watered-down, anyway.
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Great movie. Let's hope it stays FICTIONAL.
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I think I need to see better proof than that, mister. Besides, all the large penises I know play with Perl. ;-)
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It sure sounds like good thing to do in the 21st century. What else is there to do?
:-)
Oh, I can think of a few things...
- Find alternative fuel source(s)
- Find cure for cancer, diabetes, alzheimer's, etc.
- Figure out a way to bring government back to the people
- Promote the free trade of ideas
I could go on if you still need suggestions. If you are ever bored on a Sunday afternoon, gimme a call.
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Too bad nobody in Kansas will be allowed to read it. :-)
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Thanks for not having a link to some religious propaganda at the end of your post. I was afraid for a second, there.
:-)
Happiness does not come from material wealth, you're right on. However, I do wish I could afford a bigger hard drive to store my band's mp3's on... Oh no, I've been brainwashed by geeks! I crave GEAR!
The Divine Creatrix in a Mortal Shell that stays Crunchy in Milk
Think back to the time when nobody had ever heard of you, you were playing in crap bars for little or no cash, and you wish there was a way to get more people to dig your sound, because you believed that you rocked. (Which you did back in the day...)
Now, for all of the fledgling rockers of today, we have sites like mp3.com and people using things like Napster to spread the unsigned music. I am tickled when strangers download my latest song. I've gotten fan mail from as far away as France!
Are you at all concerned that your actions to limit/kill the spread of free music will close so many of the doors that the internet has opened up for musicians like me? Have you really turned your back on the little guy?
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Anyway, when you have a central server like Napster
:-)
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Napster was a piece of SOFTWARE. There is no 'central server', just a bunch of mp3 hogs with big hard drives who open their systems up to other mp3 hogs so they can trade files...
But like I said, maybe I'm wrong...
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Exactly. CNet.com and some insurance company have their COMMERCIALS playing at the end of every show they sponsor. Granted it hasn't gotten as bad as regular television - yet - but it still bothers me. I do realize though that they're feeling the pinch to convert to digital and they probably need any extra sponsorship $$$ they can get...
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This is not cool. Joke all you want, but I am quite concerned...I've dealt with flooded basements from Nor-easters but something like this is just icky.
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Do you mean the media player or the developer's version? I've never paid my $29.95 to get the goodies... as far as a media player, what's unintuitive about a play button shaped like an arrow?
;-)
And as far as Aqua goes, all the Mac-heads I know are in LOOOOVE with OSX, not primarily because they think it will function any better, but it's just so PRETTY. I mean, this is the company who produces tangerine flavored laptops.
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Friend of ours gave us her old Newton, we use it, it runs fine... sure it weighs a bit, but hey, it was free.
Please explain what you mean by 'trashing their OS with QT 4.0'...
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I guess I should've worded that better - I realize that /. has biases, but I believe them to be less dirty or greedy than the biases of other news sources. Here at /. you know that MS will get a bad rap and Open Source is untouchable. But I really don't know (nor do I have the time to find out) who NBC, ABC, CNN, et al are in bed with this week.
;-)
For the record, I get non-internet news from PBS. I support NOVA, so PBS is by proxy in bed with me, and that's alright!
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This article summarizes all the reasons why I get all my 'net news right here at /. - because of spin, media pressure, sensationalism, etc... Sites like this are no better or different than television news shows. They are after ratings (hits) to please their sponsors (banner ads).
The only groovy thing I can say that ZDNet has had its hands in lately is Computer Stew.
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- it could make it difficult to legally transfer your property from one device to another.
This is damned scary. I can't even begin to count the number of mix tapes I traded with my friends throughout high school and college. Or the tapes I made of MY cds so I could listen to the music I BOUGHT in the car...
I imagine most actual bands and musicians would want their works transmitted freely over the net.
We do.
Here's a quote I think sums up how I feel about this whole mess:
"I know all the sites that have my bootlegs and all my MP3s. Actually, I don't give a flying fuck."
--- David Bowie
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Metallica's making a living at this
Have you guys LISTENED to Metallica lately? I don't think it's Napster that's hurting their sales...
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