"It doesn't matter if your hammer has a red handle or a green one, as long as you know how to hammer."
This reverse of this concept severely restricts employment opportunities in the CAD world. If you don't have 10 years experience with software that's only been around for 5 years - no job for you!
It's like a third tier blog says a crazy person ranted on the street about something, and then CNN makes it Breaking News. "Unconfirmed sources at shitty third tier blog says..."
And then the rest of the news media picks it up as, "CNN is now reporting..."
CNN Breaking News!!! Slashdot reader phantomfive wrote: "example of the breathless hyperbole that fills every news article these days"!!! CNN Breaking News!!!
"More painters, more singers, more writers and some people to create art I didn't even know I'd love"
Many people produce "art" that no one else is willing to pay for. How are these "artists" supposed to earn a living wage - via grants bestowed by government or something?
"Some of the progress will suck. There is no denying that some things will suck for some people"
I think you misspelled 'tens of millions' there.
"My job is automating things [...] doesn't look like there is any chance of automating my part anytime soon"
Ahh, I see. Your income security is OK. For now. Everyone displaced (in part) by the automation you're doing should just go and be an artist, rock star or YouTube hero, I guess.
Although I can appreciate where you're coming from; those who do still have jobs in an increasingly automated workforce will be relentlessly worked and constantly in fear of losing their own jobs as the ratio of employed to unemployed gradually but consistently diminishes.
I thought there was some "consensus" on this stuff? Have the "climate scientists" reached the consensus that sea levels will rise by anywhere from 10cm to 600cm by 2050, with 48cm being in the "mid range"?
I think the consensus is whatever keeps the government funding flowing. No crisis = no money, so of course there's a crisis! Multiple ones, all the time!
Predicting the future is NOT science.
It would be if they could, but they can't, so it isn't.
All these people really have is shoutiness and the full cooperation of the stupids in the media who are always looking for a compelling scare story to tell (so they can push those drug ads in your face).
Journalism is dead. It's pretty much now all speculation, opinion via "expert" talking heads, rumor-mongering, agenda-advancing, "awareness-raising", etc.
Further conclusion: you don't know, and you expect that you yourself won't be replaced by automation (or offshoring). That's OK, it's what everybody thinks right up until they are.
Or, you are employed in work that is further automating jobs.
Are they stable and well-paying? Or are these new jobs for younger people who don't have families to support?
Here's one example, there are more: in my field, we used to have detailers who would take concepts drawn by senior designers (engineers typically don't actually make drawings, in case you didn't know) and create detailed drawings for fabrication and field erection. Now this process is automated with the detailed drawings being extracted from 3D models. The detailers' jobs (which provided great entry-level and training work) are gone forever and there are far fewer entry-level jobs. Many newbies are hired based on their ability to operate sophisticated software, not design experience and knowledge, so we end up with poor but great-looking design.
"Anybody that believes "new" jobs will replace the ones lost to automation long-term is completely disconnected from reality"
Exactly.
But this quote explains at least part of the disconnection from reality:
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair
We are well on the road to an economic system with 10-20% at the top and no middle income earners. And say goodbye to career advancement in whatever job you can find (unless you're amongst the best of the best in your field (of course, all Slashdotters are, right?) or a great manipulator/knob polisher), because everything will be centrally controlled - computers and software are perfect enablers for that.
Opportunist's point is that machines are now doing work that only humans could do - brain work. Where to go from there - everyone becomes a robot maintenance tech or low-level programmer or performs menial task for the wealthy (which of course would increase supply for these jobs and thus depress wages further)?
And the new jobs that are being created are nowhere near as stable or well-paying as the ones that are disappearing.
The whole point of automation is to reduce the need for human involvement. Where are these new magical jobs going to sprout from and when will it happen - before or after tens of millions of unemployed get very, very angry and have nothing to lose?
The incompetent, drama-seeking, Trump-hating media is simply making shit up, repeating said shit and then insisting that the shit they made up is "reality". It's truly amazing to watch.
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"It doesn't matter if your hammer has a red handle or a green one, as long as you know how to hammer."
This reverse of this concept severely restricts employment opportunities in the CAD world. If you don't have 10 years experience with software that's only been around for 5 years - no job for you!
"And those guys make a pretty bunch"
Have you even seen the profile photos of these neckbeards? Sheesh! But I suppose attractiveness is a subjective thing...
It's like a third tier blog says a crazy person ranted on the street about something, and then CNN makes it Breaking News. "Unconfirmed sources at shitty third tier blog says..."
And then the rest of the news media picks it up as, "CNN is now reporting..."
It's absurd.
I think Russian Hackerz got together and downmodded your excellent post.
It's a word association game designed to stick in people's subconscious. Constant repetition.
Trump - Russians - hacking - investigation - impeach
Trump - Russians - hacking - investigation - impeach
Trump - Russians - hacking - investigation - impeach
Trump - Russians - hacking - investigation - impeach
"...if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it"
CNN Breaking News!!! Slashdot reader phantomfive wrote: "example of the breathless hyperbole that fills every news article these days"!!! CNN Breaking News!!!
!!!
"They take ~25%"
Hahahahahahaha
"More painters, more singers, more writers and some people to create art I didn't even know I'd love"
Many people produce "art" that no one else is willing to pay for. How are these "artists" supposed to earn a living wage - via grants bestowed by government or something?
"Some of the progress will suck. There is no denying that some things will suck for some people"
I think you misspelled 'tens of millions' there.
"My job is automating things [...] doesn't look like there is any chance of automating my part anytime soon"
Ahh, I see. Your income security is OK. For now. Everyone displaced (in part) by the automation you're doing should just go and be an artist, rock star or YouTube hero, I guess.
Although I can appreciate where you're coming from; those who do still have jobs in an increasingly automated workforce will be relentlessly worked and constantly in fear of losing their own jobs as the ratio of employed to unemployed gradually but consistently diminishes.
"They can approve a booze purchase in under 30 seconds"
Why would it even take that long?
I thought there was some "consensus" on this stuff? Have the "climate scientists" reached the consensus that sea levels will rise by anywhere from 10cm to 600cm by 2050, with 48cm being in the "mid range"?
I think the consensus is whatever keeps the government funding flowing. No crisis = no money, so of course there's a crisis! Multiple ones, all the time!
Predicting the future is NOT science.
It would be if they could, but they can't, so it isn't.
But, but, but the computer models say...
All these people really have is shoutiness and the full cooperation of the stupids in the media who are always looking for a compelling scare story to tell (so they can push those drug ads in your face).
"Is that a reason to create panic just to make money with the fear of yet another apocalypse? I find that disgusting."
I imagine there are a lot of made-up, phoney jobs that depend on there being a crisis, though, with the vast majority of them being taxpayer funded.
Yeah, but I think it's deader than it was before.
Don't question the narrative, it will fall apart because it has no load-bearing arguments!
There also wasn't the internet and 24 hour news channels back then, so less opportunities to hype it.
Too bad you won't convince the True Believers; it's a religion and they stake their whole identity on it.
It's more like science worship.
Untwist panties and have a great day!
Journalism is dead. It's pretty much now all speculation, opinion via "expert" talking heads, rumor-mongering, agenda-advancing, "awareness-raising", etc.
It's a report with nebulous numbers in search of OMG! headlines in order to elicit more funding. Obvious.
Further conclusion: you don't know, and you expect that you yourself won't be replaced by automation (or offshoring). That's OK, it's what everybody thinks right up until they are.
Or, you are employed in work that is further automating jobs.
Either way, good luck.
OK, so which jobs are being created?
Are they stable and well-paying? Or are these new jobs for younger people who don't have families to support?
Here's one example, there are more: in my field, we used to have detailers who would take concepts drawn by senior designers (engineers typically don't actually make drawings, in case you didn't know) and create detailed drawings for fabrication and field erection. Now this process is automated with the detailed drawings being extracted from 3D models. The detailers' jobs (which provided great entry-level and training work) are gone forever and there are far fewer entry-level jobs. Many newbies are hired based on their ability to operate sophisticated software, not design experience and knowledge, so we end up with poor but great-looking design.
"Anybody that believes "new" jobs will replace the ones lost to automation long-term is completely disconnected from reality"
Exactly.
But this quote explains at least part of the disconnection from reality:
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair
We are well on the road to an economic system with 10-20% at the top and no middle income earners. And say goodbye to career advancement in whatever job you can find (unless you're amongst the best of the best in your field (of course, all Slashdotters are, right?) or a great manipulator/knob polisher), because everything will be centrally controlled - computers and software are perfect enablers for that.
Opportunist's point is that machines are now doing work that only humans could do - brain work. Where to go from there - everyone becomes a robot maintenance tech or low-level programmer or performs menial task for the wealthy (which of course would increase supply for these jobs and thus depress wages further)?
And the new jobs that are being created are nowhere near as stable or well-paying as the ones that are disappearing.
The whole point of automation is to reduce the need for human involvement. Where are these new magical jobs going to sprout from and when will it happen - before or after tens of millions of unemployed get very, very angry and have nothing to lose?
The incompetent, drama-seeking, Trump-hating media is simply making shit up, repeating said shit and then insisting that the shit they made up is "reality". It's truly amazing to watch.