> For the time being, I guess I'll stick to my proven, open source (free software even) backup solution involving tar, gpg, and ssh.
You aparently either run a limited number of basic backup jobs and/or have plenty of time to write backup scripts, which is not bad as you need something to make yourself look very good at your job.
And FYI Arkeia Light is free (as in "one can use it at no cost"), see arkeia.org.
> We just need need a Fedora Advanced Server 3.0, or 4.0... Just something that will play with all the redhat-certified software and apps out there.
Here ya go - runs like a dream..: CentOS is an Enterprise-class Linux Distribution derived from sources freely provided to the public by a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendors redistribution policy and aims to be 100% binary compatible. (CentOS mainly changes packages to remove upstream vendor branding and artwork.)
He's rightfully saying RH can't theoretically give a flying fuck about Fedora. The better Fedora gets, the less money they make (as users don't buy Enterprise Linux) - that's why it is the way it is - useless for enterprise use.
> the point of Christianity is that there IS NO SUCH THING as an unforgivable sin.
Yes there is - it's called suicide.
>You just have to ask forgiveness (the sacrement of confession, which is done to a priest individually for Catholics (me), and usually as part of the mass as a congregation for protestants).
And how do you do that after you've commited suicide?
> What i'm sure it doesn't show is that a linux engineer handling 200 computers can provide a much better service (due to the fact that more is "known and controllable" in linux than windows)
And don't forget that the linux support engineer will be more efficient because of the tab key autocomplete feature in Linux.
>But at work, I'm forced to have a windows machine.
Then you've got a problem with your boss (or your company sucks). It's got nothing to do with Micorsoft (unless you work there).
>Until or unless Google becomes a big monolopy who can force everyone to use their crap, the fact that Google does something that would be illegal for Microsoft to do is irrelevant.
No, that's wrong. It smells like shit, it looks like shit - it IS shit.
>If patents are allowed to run their course, then there will be almost no chance of a single coder being able to innovate and bring a new product to market without being sued to crap by a heartless monolith. That's why programmers should care, unless they only want to work for mega corporations...
This is exactly what I'm talking about. It all sounds good, but GNU Linux has appeared and thrived (and is still thriving) without any problem (the SCO lawsuit is going nowhere, we can only laugh at it).
What would have changed if/. never published a single patent-related article? Nothing would have changed.
Lawsuits: as OEMs ship Linux, they're the first ones to be sued (if/when it happens), and they do have very deep pockets. And then there's BSD which is quite free and open source too.
Innovation: I haven't noticed anything innovative has been stopped from happening on Linux. Where Linux does have problems is when people try to implement patented things in GPL code but I don't see any elements of innovation in situations like this.
People worry about these trivial things above while much worse problems (global warming, high taxes, wasteful government spending, corruption, pollution, etc.) don't get the attention they deserve.
> I also hope that, when IBM starts making money with Linux, that some moral compass directs them to give something back.
They won't make money (or recover those $100 m) out of vacuum - most likely you'll pay an extra X bucks for something from IBM along the way.
Talk about free lunch....
Look at their share price, for Christ's - do they look like some poor bastards who give everything away and survive on bare essentials? I don't think so.
Do you think their CEO said "Let's burn $100m and we'll get some great feedback on Slashdot?". Or "Let's spend $100m and make $300m!" is more likely?
A practical person would say "I hope they spend all that money on porting everything they can to GNU Linux and then I'll buy it pre-installed from DELL" (as DELL didn't spend those $100m their cost and price will more likey be lower than IBM's).
It's funny to see how much people care about these things especially considering that, for all practical purposes, the outcome of this is almost totally irrelevant to most slashdotters...
> It would be cool to see how a cluster like that could handle mpeg4 encoding/decoding.
Did you see that it barely (30fps) does proper playback?
I think in a cluster it'd run like shit because this CPU is not suitable for that purpose (or, you can say that line of CPUs wasn't made for HPC - AMD64 would do much much better).
Generally speaking Intel processors are more suitable for such tasks.
>>In the 30's, if you stuck your arm into a pulley and got it taken off, it was your fault because any idiot knows not to put their arm into machinery...
>Oh? And what if you were doing nothing more than operating it the way it was supposed to be operating, and because it was poorly maintained, it malfunctioned and took your arm off? Or killed you?
I can't believe someone can look at a bunch of moving steel parts and NOT think something bad could happen to you should your hand end up in there?
>Much as I think people have a reasonable expectation that spilled coffee shouldn't inflict third-degree burns over their genitals through two layers of clothing.
Then what DID they expect? That it'd give them an orgasm? Or second-degree burns instead of third-degree? And why don't people sue their parents/spouse when similar stuff happens at their home? Pleeese!
> Tort lawsuits keep that in check.
To a certain extent, yes, But they also are a money-making machine for all kinds of scum.
> the suit says the game "trained" him to shoot those 3 men.
Only three men? Praise the game maker! Imagine what would have happened if the little bozo watched "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" or "Hitler: The Rise of Evil" instead!
> That means they won't guarantee it to work, but not that they should actively try to prevent it running on another platform.
Yes, and when update of a not supported configuration fails, next thing you know they'd have thousands of users bitching about it on newsgroups, asking for bug fix and/or refund.
Any employee of a software company knows this routine very well...
> No, they don't. Read the EULA and it says NOTHING of the kind.
Of course it doesn't. Who mentioned EULA?
System Requirements: Operating system: Microsoft Windows® 2000 with Service Pack 3 (SP3), Windows XP, or later http://www.microsoft.com/office/editions/pr odinfo/ proreq.mspx
> Until such time, I have the right to run the software under any OS I want.
Nice try... Of course you do, Mr. Hood. However, don't bitch about failures or problems as you're running on an unsupported OS which makes your configuration unsupported.
> I was forced to go buy Dos 6.0 and then it ATE MY DATA!
Sorry to hear that. You've had a backup, right?
>Oh - did you notice that last sentence - CONVICTED MONOPOLIST.
The fact that someone was convicted of something does not mean they will be comitting the same crime in the future.
> wants to run that on another platform, then MS doesn't really have the right to restrict where it runs.
If it's not a supported platform (WINE, for example), why would they be obliged to specifically mention all possible non-supported situations and/or code user-friendly GUI error messages for those unsupported scenarios???
> but this would like be easily proved as monopolist behavior
The cluster was announced as G5 but they used G4 for the first incarnation and later performed a system-wide upgrade (or two, who knows. http://www.thinksecret.com/news/virginiatech3.h tml
Note how Apple's site (http://www.apple.com/education/science/profiles/v atech/) talks about 2.0GHz, and both 2.3GHz and later 2.5GHz processors were used... And this* "These systems were custom built by Apple for Virginia Tech utilizing dual 2.3GHz G5 processors. This configuration was developed specifically for Virginia Tech, and Apple currently has no plans to offer 2.3GHz processors in the Xserve G5 product line.". * http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?itemno=395
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> For the time being, I guess I'll stick to my proven, open source (free software even) backup solution involving tar, gpg, and ssh.
You aparently either run a limited number of basic backup jobs and/or have plenty of time to write backup scripts, which is not bad as you need something to make yourself look very good at your job.
And FYI Arkeia Light is free (as in "one can use it at no cost"), see arkeia.org.
> We just need need a Fedora Advanced Server 3.0, or 4.0... Just something that will play with all the redhat-certified software and apps out there.
Here ya go - runs like a dream..:
CentOS is an Enterprise-class Linux Distribution derived from sources freely provided to the public by a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendors redistribution policy and aims to be 100% binary compatible. (CentOS mainly changes packages to remove upstream vendor branding and artwork.)
http://www.centos.org/
>Essentially, this would make Fedora only need 1 cd(base install, everything else could be pulled down off the 'net)
s /3 .4/isos/i386/CentOS-3.4-i386-Server.iso
Already done but you'll have to use enterprise-grade OS - Cent OS 3.4 (built from Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3.0 Update 4 sources).
http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/caos/cento
After you install this sucker, do
# yum -y install whatever you want
He's rightfully saying RH can't theoretically give a flying fuck about Fedora.
The better Fedora gets, the less money they make (as users don't buy Enterprise Linux) - that's why it is the way it is - useless for enterprise use.
Now using CentOS - it's free with free updates. Why even consider going back?
Little respect for intellectual property rights and even less ways to protect/enforce IPR.
Good place for churning out stuff, not good place for investing in things that can be stolen by copying them on mini USB drives.
> the point of Christianity is that there IS NO SUCH THING as an unforgivable sin.
Yes there is - it's called suicide.
>You just have to ask forgiveness (the sacrement of confession, which is done to a priest individually for Catholics (me), and usually as part of the mass as a congregation for protestants).
And how do you do that after you've commited suicide?
> What i'm sure it doesn't show is that a linux engineer handling 200 computers can provide a much better service (due to the fact that more is "known and controllable" in linux than windows)
And don't forget that the linux support engineer will be more efficient because of the tab key autocomplete feature in Linux.
> That is the worst support ratio in history.
Why am I not surprised...
One could tell by the price of their products... Inefficient bastards.
> Microsoft controls the OS so they could integrate smart tags for their benefit and control and the user has no choice.
WTF are you blathering about? I'm writing this on Windows XP and have no fucking idea what smart tags are you talking about?
>vs Google toolbar which you can optionally download. Don't like it, don't download it.
And how exactly is that different from my "don't like Microsoft's smart tags, don't use MS IE"?
>But at work, I'm forced to have a windows machine.
Then you've got a problem with your boss (or your company sucks).
It's got nothing to do with Micorsoft (unless you work there).
>Until or unless Google becomes a big monolopy who can force everyone to use their crap, the fact that Google does something that would be illegal for Microsoft to do is irrelevant.
No, that's wrong. It smells like shit, it looks like shit - it IS shit.
>If patents are allowed to run their course, then there will be almost no chance of a single coder being able to innovate and bring a new product to market without being sued to crap by a heartless monolith. That's why programmers should care, unless they only want to work for mega corporations...
/. never published a single patent-related article? Nothing would have changed.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. It all sounds good, but GNU Linux has appeared and thrived (and is still thriving) without any problem (the SCO lawsuit is going nowhere, we can only laugh at it).
What would have changed if
Lawsuits: as OEMs ship Linux, they're the first ones to be sued (if/when it happens), and they do have very deep pockets.
And then there's BSD which is quite free and open source too.
Innovation: I haven't noticed anything innovative has been stopped from happening on Linux.
Where Linux does have problems is when people try to implement patented things in GPL code but I don't see any elements of innovation in situations like this.
People worry about these trivial things above while much worse problems (global warming, high taxes, wasteful government spending, corruption, pollution, etc.) don't get the attention they deserve.
> I also hope that, when IBM starts making money with Linux, that some moral compass directs them to give something back.
They won't make money (or recover those $100 m) out of vacuum - most likely you'll pay an extra X bucks for something from IBM along the way.
Talk about free lunch....
Look at their share price, for Christ's - do they look like some poor bastards who give everything away and survive on bare essentials? I don't think so.
Do you think their CEO said "Let's burn $100m and we'll get some great feedback on Slashdot?". Or "Let's spend $100m and make $300m!" is more likely?
A practical person would say "I hope they spend all that money on porting everything they can to GNU Linux and then I'll buy it pre-installed from DELL" (as DELL didn't spend those $100m their cost and price will more likey be lower than IBM's).
It's funny to see how much people care about these things especially considering that, for all practical purposes, the outcome of this is almost totally irrelevant to most slashdotters ...
> It would be cool to see how a cluster like that could handle mpeg4 encoding/decoding.
Did you see that it barely (30fps) does proper playback?
I think in a cluster it'd run like shit because this CPU is not suitable for that purpose (or, you can say that line of CPUs wasn't made for HPC - AMD64 would do much much better).
Generally speaking Intel processors are more suitable for such tasks.
>>In the 30's, if you stuck your arm into a pulley and got it taken off, it was your fault because any idiot knows not to put their arm into machinery...
>Oh? And what if you were doing nothing more than operating it the way it was supposed to be operating, and because it was poorly maintained, it malfunctioned and took your arm off? Or killed you?
I can't believe someone can look at a bunch of moving steel parts and NOT think something bad could happen to you should your hand end up in there?
>Much as I think people have a reasonable expectation that spilled coffee shouldn't inflict third-degree burns over their genitals through two layers of clothing.
Then what DID they expect?
That it'd give them an orgasm? Or second-degree burns instead of third-degree? And why don't people sue their parents/spouse when similar stuff happens at their home? Pleeese!
> Tort lawsuits keep that in check.
To a certain extent, yes, But they also are a money-making machine for all kinds of scum.
> the suit says the game "trained" him to shoot those 3 men.
Only three men?
Praise the game maker!
Imagine what would have happened if the little bozo watched "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" or "Hitler: The Rise of Evil" instead!
> That means they won't guarantee it to work, but not that they should actively try to prevent it running on another platform.
Yes, and when update of a not supported configuration fails, next thing you know they'd have thousands of users bitching about it on newsgroups, asking for bug fix and/or refund.
Any employee of a software company knows this routine very well...
> No, they don't. Read the EULA and it says NOTHING of the kind.
r odinfo/ proreq.mspx
Of course it doesn't.
Who mentioned EULA?
System Requirements: Operating system: Microsoft Windows® 2000 with Service Pack 3 (SP3), Windows XP, or later
http://www.microsoft.com/office/editions/p
> Until such time, I have the right to run the software under any OS I want.
Nice try...
Of course you do, Mr. Hood. However, don't bitch about failures or problems as you're running on an unsupported OS which makes your configuration unsupported.
> I was forced to go buy Dos 6.0 and then it ATE MY DATA!
Sorry to hear that.
You've had a backup, right?
>Oh - did you notice that last sentence - CONVICTED MONOPOLIST.
The fact that someone was convicted of something does not mean they will be comitting the same crime in the future.
> wants to run that on another platform, then MS doesn't really have the right to restrict where it runs.
If it's not a supported platform (WINE, for example), why would they be obliged to specifically mention all possible non-supported situations and/or code user-friendly GUI error messages for those unsupported scenarios???
> but this would like be easily proved as monopolist behavior
???
Take it easy, dude....
> Don't G5s qualify as "easily available"?
.h tml
v atech/) talks about 2.0GHz, and both 2.3GHz and later 2.5GHz processors were used...
Not at the time.
The cluster was announced as G5 but they used G4 for the first incarnation and later performed a system-wide upgrade (or two, who knows
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/virginiatech3.
Note how Apple's site (http://www.apple.com/education/science/profiles/
And this* "These systems were custom built by Apple for Virginia Tech utilizing dual 2.3GHz G5 processors. This configuration was developed specifically for Virginia Tech, and Apple currently has no plans to offer 2.3GHz processors in the Xserve G5 product line.".
* http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?itemno=395
Not exactly easily available.
And people (those educated in Latin) in protectorats refered to their seas (which are parts of the Mediterranean) like that as well.
> So... anyone care to explain exactly what SHA-1 is?
So... Anyone care to mark the fucking string, right click SHA-1 and choose Search the Web for "SHA-1"?
How hard is that?
> What constitutes a trade secret?
How about... not-yet-announced products?
> Yes, but was Apple injured?
I believe Jobs will have some bruises to show (who knows how he got them; maybe he fell from a Segway or something like that)...