That's "theoretically"; I don't think it will be easy to do "4) Register 15 accounts" using a script. Also consider the fact that they'll be able to search all attachments (accross diff mailboxes) and figure out relationships between segments (not to mention shared "2nd email address" and same mail sender for all segments...)
Practically that means you just put your xGB of warez to c:\Program Files\eMule\Incoming or whatever variant thereof.
HDD space is so cheap; unless you can steal several TB worth of reliable storage space, why would anyone bother?
Sometimes I'm surprised at the lenghts to which some (especially in the open source community) people go to "save" couple dollars, even though the time needed to do that is more expensive than the amount to be "saved" (using wage level of 3rd world countries).
>Well, Gmail requires that your username be a minimum of 6 characters, so that actually rules out a number of common first names
How about making that minimum 32 alphanumeric characters to further reduce the gold rush effect?
Actually I just thought of something - since they already do Web hosting (blogs, which is a form of it) - they should allow people to receive their email at @gmail.com. I wouldn't even bother to register a "real" account name, blog name should do just fine.
(Yes, I know, blogspot.com allows you to change blogspot name if it's available)
>the grand tradition of protecting silly people from themselves.
I don't agree there should be such laws. Some 4 years ago the Economist had an article about anti-smoking laws where it argued against such laws (I think it also quoted Mills as the first who came up with the idea that anyone should be allowed to do whatever s/he wants as long as it doesn't hurt others). OK, now this isn't to say that 2nd hand smoke is healthy, what I'm trying to say is that such laws aren't right. My point is that there are people out there who love to watch pop-up ads and read junk mail - none of us have the right to disallow such behavior. But we have a duty to protect those who dislike spyware/adware.
I would like to see that all spyware/adware programs have to provide a common API for detection and un-installation/removal. Then different operating systems could uninstall or ban them all with a single checkbox (Block spyware from installing on this OS? [Y/n]).
>Can't go any further than you wind it...
Actually that's rather unimportant.
They can wind it all they want and then put it on one of those things for testing car brakes (two sets of steel tubes that rotate as fast as one's wheels spin).
>Yeh I wish there was then I would not have to listen to such moronic MS Weeny drivel as you are spouting.
Learn to read.
I wasn't defending MS, I said that licensing system isn't news.
First, lemme make it clear - I don't particularly like Linux, but I sell it.
Definitively not a Linux zealot; use Windows 2000 as desktop, etc.
Second, I have 30 mins to kill and although I planned to check out today's Uh-Oh.com Thumbails, now I'll instead respond to you, agent provocateur.
>1. Linux installation sucks when you don't have the latest hardware.
I had to recompile the kernel for that stupid ISA Ethernet card to be seen by Redhad.
Maybe something/someone else is stupid?
Ok, no insults, here's a counter-argument: would you use Windows on a machine with ISA card?
>3. Applications are rare, I cannot find lots of things that I enjoy on Windows.
I don't want to play games on Linux.
Buy Win4Lin (www.netraverse.com) or VMWare (www.vmware.com) and use both Windows and Linux at the same time.
>4. Sendmail sucks.
Agree. Use qmail or postfix.
Another thing: what the fuck is sendmail doing here - a while ago you mention ISA cards (obviously you want to use aged hardware), then you want to play games (don't tell me you want to do that using your high-end ISA hardware) and now you're suddenly into servers (perhaps you have ISA 10Mbps NIC?).
>Any mail server on Windows even the freeware
ones are as easy as 123 to configure without
the scripting bullshit of send mail and
compiling it again to support new modules.
Sure, nobody said you have to use Linux if you don't want to or have lost the ability to learn. You have at least 3 choices:
a) Learn Linux (free, not hard)
b) Use commercial (easy) Linux software (better performance than Windows)
c) Use Windows (pay)
>5. Applications and user interface are so
amatuerish that it is not funny at all.
Actually it's the opposite. Any good Linux sysadmin can do things faster in console than any good Windows admin can do in GUI.
Besides, console is less resource intensive and faster too boot up.
>6. No proper support for USB, it is still a
hack and cannot have support to most of the USB
hardware that I have.
Like what? You have 27 USB mice and 173 USB printers?
Be precise.
I have a Microsoft USB optical mouse, works fine with both Mandrake 8.1 and RedHat 7.2.
>7. Smaba sucks, installing it and configuring
it takes hours.
To you, maybe.
>8. The Whole attitude of the linux users proves
that it is a plague, no help, no asistance,
everyone is using it just to show off, just
bunch of high school zealots with computers.
Hahaha, I have no other comment here.
Today I installed a Linux HA solution at the local Stock Exchange. They have eight Linux servers in production....
>9. Javas support sucks.
Fuck Java and fuck those Sun morons. On all platforms. And stupid Macromedial Flash too.
>10. No decent browser.
Personally I prefer indecency but when it comes to browsers, Mozilla is now semi-decent.
>No I'm not willing to pay $49.99 for Opera, I
have Internet Explorer on my Windows box and it
is fantastic.
Well you paid for Windows.
Mozilla is good enough.
>11. No decent account and home fininance
package.
True. Then again, who cares?
>I could go on forever on this.
We know.
>For servers it may be OK, but who cares, us
home users don't need it, never will.
AFAIK, I don't give a shit about Linux @home. Linux is great for servers and, to me, semi-decent as client.
I use Linux at home to learn and I use Windows at work because I'm more productive (MS IE, Eudora, PowerPoint, Excel).
If you don't like Linux, use Windows.
Install Reiser FS on your current RH. Use google to find how-to. Or write me (or reply here) if you want the ISO's. I have "patched" RH 7.1 ISOs with ReiserFS included; you can "upgrade" your current RH with those ISOs.
I guess RH didn't include ReiserFS because they "invented" ext3.
Personally I use ext2 everywhere on clients because it's old and tried, easy to backup and many utilities for system recovery support it. For NFS, I use ReiserFS.
Right on...
We provide (mostly) HA solutions to enterprise customers - they don't give a shit about open or closed source, GPL, and all this open source stuff.
They want (at least) equally good support, quality of software, maintenance and all of it at a lower price than Windows. Very few of them are interested in developing anything or being able to peek in the code. Actually quite the contrary, they hope to be able to do everything via a Web interface and not have to do anything with Linux, as long as their DB2 on top if it works fine.
And then there are other enterprise customers, but they are in minority, at least in our case.
If anyone wants to be successful selling Linux (and this is what you essentially do even if you're a developer in a company that sells Linux software or services), (s)he must understand the customers. You can expect *your* supplier trying to understand you, but when it comes to your customers/users, you'd better understand them if you want to stay in business (or keep your job).
Most comments here are totally crappy & ignorant, it's said to see all those comments missing the point.
It was before XP that MS did not allow running anything remotely so all this Windows XP this-and-that is bullshit.
Check Windows 98 licenses or licenses for Windows 98 applications - it says clearly that any client that has/uses remote access to a Windows 98 box to execute OS or apps on top of it.
Even concurrent licenses don't count - every client that connects must have a license. If you have 10 clients and one Windows 98 with Office and at most three clients remotely run Office at a time, you still must buy 11 licenses (i.e. an additional license for each of the 10 clients).
There should be some rating system to hide moronic postings here, it's hard to find useful information in midst of all the garbage.
>Do you have to be told that France and Germany, >unlike G.B. do not speak English when the > distributions were started?
Yes, but I also understand that if I wanted, say, Chinese laguage on my desktop, it would be cheaper to localize PO files and contribute to, say, KDE L18N, than to create and maintain my own home-grown Linux distribution.
If the German and French market can support a home grown distribution (support in the profit sense), the U.K. market should be capable of it too, but we see no U.K. Linux distributions. It can't be explained soley by localization problems.
>Insert standard disclaimer here: IANAL, if you get your legal advice on/. you're a fool, this post is not legal advice, etc.
Look at him - (Anonymous Coward)^2! Truly pathetic...
He's anonymous and he still posts this silly disclaimers. And didn't you know emails are legally binding but/. postings aren't?
>Hopefully, your contract is not with a twelve year old.
Yes, because, as we learned from a previous post (a guy from Canada) on this topic, minors cannot enter legally binding contracts with adults, but adults can make contracts with minors.
So if she proposed it and he accepted it, he would be legally bound to do it and yet he would commit a crime.
Or did I get something wrong here?
>And that's it.
That's nuthin'.
First, the maillog will reveal your pathetic attempt of forgery, secondly, the mailer won't be what the other guy uses (he may be using MS IE, Eudora or something else, but not what you used) so they'll easily figure it out, and thirdly, they'll figure out from what host you conected to telnet server (being a genius, probably your home ADSL connection).
In 48hrs they'd track you and you'd be in jail.
And last, but not least, those who have an open relay, deserve to go to jail.
In case you didn't know, a handshake was *the first*.
In Anglo-Saxon law, even oral consent constitutes a contract.
As to email forgery, it can be checked from mail server logs (both the sender's and the receiver's).
Their primary motive is to let German individuals and corporations protect themselves from Echelon and similar projects. Which makes me think - no wonder France and Germany have their own Linux distributions and the U.K. doesn't! A grain of security concerns, a grain of national pride, and perhaps a grain of software nationalism, etc... Get the funny part of the press release (I think they kind of screwed up the translation): --------- ...is safe and corresponds to international standards. It would not be recommended (sic!) to use standard software in security sensitive areas and the Ministry explicitly warns to do so in its press release. ---------
And of course they can't push MS products at CeBIT, it wouldn't help them in any way. But they had to do something and Linux has always made a good means for low-cost self promotion...
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>theortically:
That's "theoretically"; I don't think it will be easy to do "4) Register 15 accounts" using a script.
Also consider the fact that they'll be able to search all attachments (accross diff mailboxes) and figure out relationships between segments (not to mention shared "2nd email address" and same mail sender for all segments...)
Practically that means you just put your xGB of warez to c:\Program Files\eMule\Incoming or whatever variant thereof.
HDD space is so cheap; unless you can steal several TB worth of reliable storage space, why would anyone bother?
Sometimes I'm surprised at the lenghts to which some (especially in the open source community) people go to "save" couple dollars, even though the time needed to do that is more expensive than the amount to be "saved" (using wage level of 3rd world countries).
>Well, Gmail requires that your username be a minimum of 6 characters, so that actually rules out a number of common first names
How about making that minimum 32 alphanumeric characters to further reduce the gold rush effect?
Actually I just thought of something - since they already do Web hosting (blogs, which is a form of it) - they should allow people to receive their email at @gmail.com.
I wouldn't even bother to register a "real" account name, blog name should do just fine.
(Yes, I know, blogspot.com allows you to change blogspot name if it's available)
>the grand tradition of protecting silly people from themselves.
I don't agree there should be such laws.
Some 4 years ago the Economist had an article about anti-smoking laws where it argued against such laws (I think it also quoted Mills as the first who came up with the idea that anyone should be allowed to do whatever s/he wants as long as it doesn't hurt others).
OK, now this isn't to say that 2nd hand smoke is healthy, what I'm trying to say is that such laws aren't right.
My point is that there are people out there who love to watch pop-up ads and read junk mail - none of us have the right to disallow such behavior. But we have a duty to protect those who dislike spyware/adware.
I would like to see that all spyware/adware programs have to provide a common API for detection and un-installation/removal.
Then different operating systems could uninstall or ban them all with a single checkbox (Block spyware from installing on this OS? [Y/n]).
>In Soviet Russia, the privlege pays for YOU!
Paid for you, because it doesn't exist any more.
>Can't go any further than you wind it... Actually that's rather unimportant. They can wind it all they want and then put it on one of those things for testing car brakes (two sets of steel tubes that rotate as fast as one's wheels spin).
This is also called "The law of the land: the rich get richer" as famously formulated by Dave Moss in "Glengarry Glen Ross".
For more info, see www.uggr.com
>Yeh I wish there was then I would not have to listen to such moronic MS Weeny drivel as you are spouting.
Learn to read.
I wasn't defending MS, I said that licensing system isn't news.
>Flame on, linux zealots.
First, lemme make it clear - I don't particularly like Linux, but I sell it. Definitively not a Linux zealot; use Windows 2000 as desktop, etc.
Second, I have 30 mins to kill and although I planned to check out today's Uh-Oh.com Thumbails, now I'll instead respond to you, agent provocateur.
>1. Linux installation sucks when you don't have the latest hardware. I had to recompile the kernel for that stupid ISA Ethernet card to be seen by Redhad.
Maybe something/someone else is stupid? Ok, no insults, here's a counter-argument: would you use Windows on a machine with ISA card?
>3. Applications are rare, I cannot find lots of things that I enjoy on Windows. I don't want to play games on Linux.
Buy Win4Lin (www.netraverse.com) or VMWare (www.vmware.com) and use both Windows and Linux at the same time.
>4. Sendmail sucks.
Agree. Use qmail or postfix.
Another thing: what the fuck is sendmail doing here - a while ago you mention ISA cards (obviously you want to use aged hardware), then you want to play games (don't tell me you want to do that using your high-end ISA hardware) and now you're suddenly into servers (perhaps you have ISA 10Mbps NIC?).
>Any mail server on Windows even the freeware ones are as easy as 123 to configure without the scripting bullshit of send mail and compiling it again to support new modules.
Sure, nobody said you have to use Linux if you don't want to or have lost the ability to learn. You have at least 3 choices:
a) Learn Linux (free, not hard)
b) Use commercial (easy) Linux software (better performance than Windows)
c) Use Windows (pay)
>5. Applications and user interface are so amatuerish that it is not funny at all.
Actually it's the opposite. Any good Linux sysadmin can do things faster in console than any good Windows admin can do in GUI. Besides, console is less resource intensive and faster too boot up.
>6. No proper support for USB, it is still a hack and cannot have support to most of the USB hardware that I have.
Like what? You have 27 USB mice and 173 USB printers? Be precise. I have a Microsoft USB optical mouse, works fine with both Mandrake 8.1 and RedHat 7.2.
>7. Smaba sucks, installing it and configuring it takes hours.
To you, maybe.
>8. The Whole attitude of the linux users proves that it is a plague, no help, no asistance, everyone is using it just to show off, just bunch of high school zealots with computers.
Hahaha, I have no other comment here. Today I installed a Linux HA solution at the local Stock Exchange. They have eight Linux servers in production....
>9. Javas support sucks.
Fuck Java and fuck those Sun morons. On all platforms. And stupid Macromedial Flash too.
>10. No decent browser.
Personally I prefer indecency but when it comes to browsers, Mozilla is now semi-decent.
>No I'm not willing to pay $49.99 for Opera, I have Internet Explorer on my Windows box and it is fantastic.
Well you paid for Windows. Mozilla is good enough.
>11. No decent account and home fininance package.
True. Then again, who cares?
>I could go on forever on this.
We know.
>For servers it may be OK, but who cares, us home users don't need it, never will.
AFAIK, I don't give a shit about Linux @home. Linux is great for servers and, to me, semi-decent as client. I use Linux at home to learn and I use Windows at work because I'm more productive (MS IE, Eudora, PowerPoint, Excel). If you don't like Linux, use Windows.
Install Reiser FS on your current RH. Use google to find how-to.
Or write me (or reply here) if you want the ISO's. I have "patched" RH 7.1 ISOs with ReiserFS included; you can "upgrade" your current RH with those ISOs.
I guess RH didn't include ReiserFS because they "invented" ext3.
Personally I use ext2 everywhere on clients because it's old and tried, easy to backup and many utilities for system recovery support it. For NFS, I use ReiserFS.
>So, even if 90% of the comment are AGAINST
>software patent, it doesn't seems to really
>trouble the commission.
90% of what? 90% of votes cast? A Web-linked vote from a GPL fanatic vs. a vote from a rep of a major employer/tax-payer/telco?
Get real....
>So much for the democracy.
>Why would it be different here ?
That's right, hopefully it won't.
Right on...
We provide (mostly) HA solutions to enterprise customers - they don't give a shit about open or closed source, GPL, and all this open source stuff.
They want (at least) equally good support, quality of software, maintenance and all of it at a lower price than Windows. Very few of them are interested in developing anything or being able to peek in the code. Actually quite the contrary, they hope to be able to do everything via a Web interface and not have to do anything with Linux, as long as their DB2 on top if it works fine.
And then there are other enterprise customers, but they are in minority, at least in our case.
If anyone wants to be successful selling Linux (and this is what you essentially do even if you're a developer in a company that sells Linux software or services), (s)he must understand the customers. You can expect *your* supplier trying to understand you, but when it comes to your customers/users, you'd better understand them if you want to stay in business (or keep your job).
Most comments here are totally crappy & ignorant, it's said to see all those comments missing the point.
It was before XP that MS did not allow running anything remotely so all this Windows XP this-and-that is bullshit.
Check Windows 98 licenses or licenses for Windows 98 applications - it says clearly that any client that has/uses remote access to a Windows 98 box to execute OS or apps on top of it.
Even concurrent licenses don't count - every client that connects must have a license. If you have 10 clients and one Windows 98 with Office and at most three clients remotely run Office at a time, you still must buy 11 licenses (i.e. an additional license for each of the 10 clients).
There should be some rating system to hide moronic postings here, it's hard to find useful information in midst of all the garbage.
Hi Anonymous Coward,
>Do you have to be told that France and Germany,
>unlike G.B. do not speak English when the
> distributions were started?
Yes, but I also understand that if I wanted, say, Chinese laguage on my desktop, it would be cheaper to localize PO files and contribute to, say, KDE L18N, than to create and maintain my own home-grown Linux distribution.
If the German and French market can support a home grown distribution (support in the profit sense), the U.K. market should be capable of it too, but we see no U.K. Linux distributions. It can't be explained soley by localization problems.
>Insert standard disclaimer here: IANAL, if you get your legal advice on /. you're a fool, this post is not legal advice, etc.
Look at him - (Anonymous Coward)^2! Truly pathetic...
He's anonymous and he still posts this silly disclaimers. And didn't you know emails are legally binding but /. postings aren't?
>Hopefully, your contract is not with a twelve year old.
Yes, because, as we learned from a previous post (a guy from Canada) on this topic, minors cannot enter legally binding contracts with adults, but adults can make contracts with minors. So if she proposed it and he accepted it, he would be legally bound to do it and yet he would commit a crime. Or did I get something wrong here?
>And that's it.
That's nuthin'. First, the maillog will reveal your pathetic attempt of forgery, secondly, the mailer won't be what the other guy uses (he may be using MS IE, Eudora or something else, but not what you used) so they'll easily figure it out, and thirdly, they'll figure out from what host you conected to telnet server (being a genius, probably your home ADSL connection). In 48hrs they'd track you and you'd be in jail. And last, but not least, those who have an open relay, deserve to go to jail.
It doesn't mean shit since till you accept their offer. When and if you do, then it becomes a contract - they have to deliver, you have to pay.
In case you didn't know, a handshake was *the first*. In Anglo-Saxon law, even oral consent constitutes a contract. As to email forgery, it can be checked from mail server logs (both the sender's and the receiver's).
Their primary motive is to let German individuals and corporations protect themselves from Echelon and similar projects.
...
Which makes me think - no wonder France and Germany have their own Linux distributions and the U.K. doesn't! A grain of security concerns, a grain of national pride, and perhaps a grain of software nationalism, etc...
Get the funny part of the press release (I think they kind of screwed up the translation):
---------
...is safe and corresponds to international standards. It would not be recommended (sic!) to use standard software in security sensitive areas and the Ministry explicitly warns to do so in its press release.
---------
And of course they can't push MS products at CeBIT, it wouldn't help them in any way. But they had to do something and Linux has always made a good means for low-cost self promotion
He didn't mean proprietary, he meant non-standard in the sense that their X drivers may not work when installed on other Linux distributions.
If it's weightlessness you're after, take some drug... Should be substantially cheaper.
This is what bothers me about this site - useless comments. Not informative, not funny, not smart - just plain stupid. Have you ever heard of Google?
Yeah, I know, I can and I will filter out postings by anonymous cowards...