Didn't I read somewhere that the AMD Opteron will be able to run both 32 and 64 bit applications, whereas the Intel counterpart will only run 64 bit? This is in response to:
"This technology is planned to preserve companies' investments in 32-bit applications while allowing a seamless transition to 64-bit computing as those companies require."
So, does this mean that something like Mandrake 8, that I am running now (with Mozilla build 2002061108, aka 1.1a) will run on the Opteron? I'm asking this in this thread as it appears some of you know quite a bit about these new processors, and might like to give us some information;-)
Years ago, I was chatting with a CPA at a party, when he mentioned to me that he had a 20 MB Hard Drive on his system at the office. A hush came over the room. That thing must have cost thousands, and was impressive in its day. It's all relative, and only as good as it's gee-whiz value, when talked about at the Country Club.
Now, for the gee-whiz part of this post. I am using Arachne 1.70, running on MS-DOS 6.21. You know, Slashdot's page looks good in this DOS browser.
walmart.com is not "Walmart".
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The local Walmart that we all go to is not the same as walmart.com. So, this statement is not true:
"Where else but WalMart can you now find a computer for a mere $299??!? "
They do not have one at your local Walmart for that price. And, the $299 does not include a monitor. Most shoppers going to the Walmart store have seen the flyer distributed locally, and expect an OS and a Monitor. Most of these lately have been over $800,
and include XP and a printer. I looked at the Tiger Direct site today, and they do not have anything better than the walmart.com $299 microtel, however, so it is an attractive deal, especially since you get Linux preinstalled, and a modem for that. Monitors are too heavy to ship cheaply one at a time, so one bought locally from Office Depot, etc. might be the best value to go with the $299 walmart.com machine. Final cost probably will run at least $425 or so, buying the monitor locally.
Oh, I get it. "Microsoft's National Broadcasting Company". No wonder they say "linux is dead".
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During the 1950's I was K5HLW. We had field days here in central MS, and as teenagers, we enjoyed staying up all night running the radios. There was a drawing for a prize at one, and I won a two-meter converter. Only thing I ever won. Took it home, and hooked it up to my Hallicrafters S-85, and didn't hear anybody. Those were the days.
I tried it once or twice, and it didn't work, so
I shy away from anything that has to be compiled.
I guess that I am spoiled from installing Opera tarballs. They always work.
I recently installed Netscape 7, and during the setup, you're asked for your AOL username and password. Once this is done, you are logged in to the new Netscape home page, which is really very nice, and is "better" than what you get with AOL itself. That page is as good as the MSN one, which you get with MSN Explorer. MSN Explorer, Netscape 7, and AOL 7 have all gotten rid of the "HOME" button, and a way to set your "HOME" page, so you'll be "encouraged" to keep the status quo, and not use USA Today, Yahoo, etc. as your home page. So much for folks like me, who have designed home pages like this one:
http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/pathway.htm l
Which, btw, look pretty good in Mozilla (this browser has the "HOME" button in the personal toolbar)
I suppose that the first distributions of United Linux will contain the best of the best from the contributors under your roof. So, selected items from each distribution would be set up to work well together. I have only used RHL 6.1, and 7.1, and Mandrake 7.2 and 8.0, and I have some preferences as to what I like best about those. The installer seems to be the big item, followed by configuration tools, upgrade tools, etc. as the applications such as Mozilla, KDE work the same. Could you give us some preliminary thoughts as to what would be included?
Yes, I'd like to get one of those new e-macs, and put Mandrake on it (in it's own partition, of course) and then I would have a real nice web design machine, I'm sure. Last night I put this page together using a Macintosh Quadra 660av, and had to copy and paste the page into the file manager at geocities to get the page up. (here it is)
http://www.geocities.com/rapidweather/mac.html
I tried to upload the page in the usual manner, but geocities said it was an "invalid file" . Later, I downloaded the file, to gnotepad via Opera 6.01 for Linux, made some changes, and then tried to upload it again to geocities. Same thing. "invalid file". So, I would hope the later Macs don't have this problem, not found in Windows 3.1, Windows 95 or 98, or in RHL or Mandrake.
I've used them all to put pages up, and apparently the 68k mac has this little problem...
btw, the cheapest one at Walmart is $400.00. (without monitor). I for one, would want to shop around at say, baber.com for a barebones machine, if I had $400.00 to spend. Also, they have some information about Windows (not included or installed) that will give some of you a laugh. Anything I get with a 40 gb hdd is going to get partitioned, and I'll have both Windows and Linux on it. P.S. If, and this is a big IF,
I ever got one of those new emacs, I'd partition that with Mandrake first thing.
Good for them, replacing the win modem with a hardware modem. Not only can you get on the internet with linux, if you have a dos partition, you can use Arachne 1.70 to quickly get on the web, and send and receive e-mail. You don't need windows at all, MS-DOS 6.21 will do fine, in as little as 30 MB for a dos partition for Arachne. I'm sure it won't be long before a linux distro comes out that will support that graphics card. On that subject, I wonder if Arachne can support it, usually it can get almost any card to work, but I would be interested in
finding out from someone who has purchased one of these machines. Low priced machines have a tough time if they have to come with XP, which would account for say 20% of the price...
Walmart sells good graphics cards in their stores, I'm sure one of those would do until the one supplied is fully supported in mainstream linux distributions. Most folks that are going to add an OS will partition, and also will make some hardware changes to these machines. btw, I am making this post using iCab 2.8 on a Macintosh Quadra 660av, with an Accura 14.4 modem. Made a new start page that will look good in these 68k mac browsers: MSIE 4.01,
Netscape 4.05 and iCab 2.8:
I have this one (linux) from 6-03-02 nightly build. I'm sure it'll do for a while. Did have a bug however on one of the nightly builds after rc3 that caused a bunch of ? marks to appear in my list of email boxes (the left hand pane). These are testing builds, and errors are expected. Overall I find the Windows version of Mozilla to be the better of the two vs linux version. I'm thinking that they call them the same but they are quite different. As far as Netscape 7.0 goes, I find the linux version to have a strange bug where you can only open it once. If you decide to close NS 7pr1, and then later want to reopen it, nothing happens. (kind of like when the Boss promises you a raise) This bug is not present in the Windows version of NS7pr1. Overall I like Mozilla better than NS 7, it seems to be very well done, and has no serious bugs in either Windows or Linux.
Yes, Arachne 1.70 running in a DOS partition is quite nice. I have it running in all my Windows 3.x partitions, and have a menu for it:
http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/menu.html
Since I made that menu, I have Grey Cat Linux added to the menu on one machine, since it will run in a directory on a Windows 3.x machine. Grey Cat has the links browser bundled in GCL version 2.x. (very nice) Getting back to Arachne, if you set it up, go to this page in Arachne:
http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/dial.html
There you can "dial" and "hangup" your dialup internet connection in Arachne from the web page, and also get your pop-3 email there, etc.
There are instructions there for setting up such a page locally on your machine for use with Arachne. You'll want to do this, and not use the default arachne start page. Be sure and use a hardware modem with Arachne, just as you need to when using Linux. btw, the Linux version of Arachne is alpha, and you need to stay with the DOS version, which is very good. Does email really well, too. Arachne works very well with MS-DOS 6.21, but, if you use Caldera Opendos 7.01, you'll have more conventional memory to run Arachne.
The links browser comes with Grey Cat Linux 2.x.
This little linux distro installs in a directory on your windows machine, and you can make a boot disk for it using batch files. I have windows 95 boot disks for Grey Cat Linux on several machines, and it also can do e-mail. I have mine set up so I connect to the internet like so: #dial , and when I am connected, a message says "You are connected to the Internet!" comes up. To disconnect, #hangup There are three consoles, so you can use one for "TOP", one to dial & hangup, and one for "links". Fix an internal start page with your favorite links in place of the default one. It'll come up when you start "links", and get you going quicker.
Like most linux distros you can customize Grey Cat to your tastes. Soon (I hope soon) Grey Cat 3.x will be available, and this will have a gui,
and use Netscape 3.04 as the browser. If one disables Javascript, NS 3.04 is tolerable. Opera did not have a browser for Linux then, too bad.. One thing about Grey Cat is the ease of connecting to the internet via dial up. The setup provided is well done.( Also the email setup)
I use GCLinux 2.x Very easy to install, and if you have a hardware modem (external) then connecting to the internet is very easy. Soon, Grey Cat will have a minimal install 3.x version, with a GUI. The 2.x version installs on a MS-DOS machine, and the 3.x will be a partitioned install. I doubt this will have all the tools that Mandrake has to partition your drive. I mention Grey Cat Linux because it is a minimal installation, something to play around with, especially on old 486 computers that otherwise would be a drag to use RHL on. (you won't like it, believe me) I have RHL 6.1 on a couple of older pentium class machines (runs ok), and I like the fact that you can set it up the way you want, with your own configurations. I am making this post on a RHL 7.1 machine, and it is a wonderful distribution, to be sure, but I'm having to run it on a 200 MHZ 128 MB machine. As soon as GCL 3.x is ready, I'm going to try it out and see if it can keep up with Windows 3.x on some older machines:-)
http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/pathway.htm l
btw, my load times for the above page (using dialup) are: 12.441 seconds first time, then 2.772 seconds returning to the page. You might test your browser to see what Mozilla reports as the time required to get to "Document: Done.
I'm running Build 2002052607, which was a nightly that I got before the weekend. There may be one out now that is later. I'm using RHL 7.1, on an IBM 350 upgraded to a 200 mhz processor, with 128 mb ram. 5400 rpm 20 gb maxtor HDD. I have no speed problems at all. The typing into the url area is normal, with almost no delay, perhaps 1/4 second or so, certainly no 3 seconds. As I make this post, TOP shows 96.3 idle, and the swap file shows zero K in there. I do not know what has slowed your system down, and wonder how Opera 6.0 for Linux performs. That one is very quick also. I am running tests between the Windows version of Mozilla, and the Linux version, on this same computer (partitioned), and have a hard time telling the difference. Windows seems to have an edge, and also displays the fonts better than RHL.
Ok, I found a home for the two 32 MB EDO 72 pin 4k refresh sticks. It's in my Macintosh Quadra 660av! Normally, apple ram will work in my Compaq 575, but these two sticks caused lots of trouble with Windows 98 in the Compaq, and barely ran RHL 6.1 (well enough to get the above post completed). I am making this post with the two sticks, and from the Mac.) Where will I go next with the two bargain 32 mb sticks? Will I put them in something else, and get back here with a slightly off topic post? I'll spare everyone that;-).
Well, as we speak, I am testing some new memory in my old Compaq 575. I have an AMD K-6 2 installed, so it runs fairly well, normally. Anyway, Windows 98 crashed badly, so I decided to reboot into the RHL 6.1 partition and see how that holds up. Right off the bat, Gnome crashed, and I was deposited right back a the login screen. I'm using Mozilla now, and the talkback feature is hollering full blast. Here's what I have done: I do not have a matched set of memory in this thing. I can see right now I am going to have to put the old memory back in. Linux does a better job than Windows 98 in tests like this, but still has problems. My point is, whatever memory you use, make sure it is good quality, and a matched set, approved for your machine. I like those setups where you get 512 MB in one stick. That ought to do it. I'm not blaming Windows, it's me and my cheap off brand ram. This is a case where it's not the software, it's the hardware. If you always wondered if you would hear about someone that has that problem, then today is your lucky day:-) btw, I'm having all kinds of strange colors show up, but except for that, Linux is hanging in there. Windows couldn't get too far before a lockup.
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Just a thought. One of those new iMac's with Mandrake Linux installed. Anyone have enough bread to be able to afford one of those or know someone who has one, to see if it is quiet or not?
Now that's funny. If some of that comes true, I guess one morning when I cannot connect to the internet I need to turn on the TV and see if someone evil now owns the internet.
What they have to say applies regardless of the quality of the show. Of course, the springer-type shows make it worse. If you have cable, and they throw in a bunch of hair-removal channels, etc, then
you come away from the experience of watching TV a little punch-drunk. Maybe we need more interactivity in our tv watching, somehow. Flipping channels just isn't enough.
I came across this one yesterday:
http://www.gateway.com/home/prod/hm_700xl_ProdDeta il.shtml
When I saw this post just now about a 333 MHz FSB, I thought yall would like to see one with a 533 MHz FSB. Not that I can afford any of this, I'm using a n IBM 350 P90 with a 200 mhz upgrade processor, and 128 mb ram and it works just fine for what I want. Using a 20 GB HDD, with Win 98, RHL 7.1, Win 3.11. Right now I'm playing with Netscape 7.0 for Win 98, and comparing it to Mozilla rc3 for Linux. I run one for a while, then boot back up to the other. Can't imagine what these faster machines would be like.
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Didn't I read somewhere that the AMD Opteron will be able to run both 32 and 64 bit applications, whereas the Intel counterpart will only run 64 bit? This is in response to:
"This technology is planned to preserve companies' investments in 32-bit applications while allowing a seamless transition to 64-bit computing as those companies require."
So, does this mean that something like Mandrake 8, that I am running now (with Mozilla build 2002061108, aka 1.1a) will run on the Opteron? I'm asking this in this thread as it appears some of you know quite a bit about these new processors, and might like to give us some information;-)
Years ago, I was chatting with a CPA at a party,
when he mentioned to me that he had a 20 MB Hard
Drive on his system at the office. A hush came
over the room. That thing must have cost
thousands, and was impressive in its day. It's
all relative, and only as good as it's gee-whiz
value, when talked about at the Country Club.
Now, for the gee-whiz part of this post. I
am using Arachne 1.70, running on MS-DOS 6.21.
You know, Slashdot's page looks good in this DOS
browser.
The local Walmart that we all go to is not the same as walmart.com. So, this statement is not true: "Where else but WalMart can you now find a computer for a mere $299??!? " They do not have one at your local Walmart for that price. And, the $299 does not include a monitor. Most shoppers going to the Walmart store have seen the flyer distributed locally, and expect an OS and a Monitor. Most of these lately have been over $800, and include XP and a printer. I looked at the Tiger Direct site today, and they do not have anything better than the walmart.com $299 microtel, however, so it is an attractive deal, especially since you get Linux preinstalled, and a modem for that. Monitors are too heavy to ship cheaply one at a time, so one bought locally from Office Depot, etc. might be the best value to go with the $299 walmart.com machine. Final cost probably will run at least $425 or so, buying the monitor locally.
Oh, I get it. "Microsoft's National Broadcasting Company". No wonder they say "linux is dead".
During the 1950's I was K5HLW. We had field days here in central MS, and as teenagers, we enjoyed staying up all night running the radios. There was a drawing for a prize at one, and I won a two-meter converter. Only thing I ever won. Took it home, and hooked it up to my Hallicrafters S-85, and didn't hear anybody. Those were the days.
I tried it once or twice, and it didn't work, so I shy away from anything that has to be compiled. I guess that I am spoiled from installing Opera tarballs. They always work.
So much for folks like me, who have designed home pages like this one:
Which, btw, look pretty good in Mozilla (this browser has the "HOME" button in the personal toolbar)
I suppose that the first distributions of United Linux will contain the best of the best from the contributors under your roof. So, selected items from each distribution would be set up to work well together. I have only used RHL 6.1, and 7.1, and Mandrake 7.2 and 8.0, and I have some preferences as to what I like best about those. The installer seems to be the big item, followed by configuration tools, upgrade tools, etc. as the applications such as Mozilla, KDE work the same. Could you give us some preliminary thoughts as to what would be included?
(here it is)
btw, the cheapest one at Walmart is $400.00. (without monitor). I for one, would want to shop around at say, baber.com for a barebones machine, if I had $400.00 to spend. Also, they have some information about Windows (not included or installed) that will give some of you a laugh. Anything I get with a 40 gb hdd is going to get partitioned, and I'll have both Windows and Linux on it.
P.S. If, and this is a big IF, I ever got one of those new emacs, I'd partition that with Mandrake first thing.
btw, I am making this post using iCab 2.8 on a Macintosh Quadra 660av, with an Accura 14.4 modem. Made a new start page that will look good in these 68k mac browsers: MSIE 4.01, Netscape 4.05 and iCab 2.8:
I have this one (linux) from 6-03-02 nightly build. I'm sure it'll do for a while. Did have a bug however on one of the nightly builds after rc3 that caused a bunch of ? marks to appear in my list of email boxes (the left hand pane). These are testing builds, and errors are expected. Overall I find the Windows version of Mozilla to be the better of the two vs linux version. I'm thinking that they call them the same but they are quite different. As far as Netscape 7.0 goes, I find the linux version to have a strange bug where you can only open it once. If you decide to close NS 7pr1, and then later want to reopen it, nothing happens. (kind of like when the Boss promises you a raise) This bug is not present in the Windows version of NS7pr1. Overall I like Mozilla better than NS 7, it seems to be very well done, and has no serious bugs in either Windows or Linux.
There are instructions there for setting up such a page locally on your machine for use with Arachne. You'll want to do this, and not use the default arachne start page. Be sure and use a hardware modem with Arachne, just as you need to when using Linux. btw, the Linux version of Arachne is alpha, and you need to stay with the DOS version, which is very good. Does email really well, too. Arachne works very well with MS-DOS 6.21, but, if you use Caldera Opendos 7.01, you'll have more conventional memory to run Arachne.
The links browser comes with Grey Cat Linux 2.x. This little linux distro installs in a directory on your windows machine, and you can make a boot disk for it using batch files. I have windows 95 boot disks for Grey Cat Linux on several machines, and it also can do e-mail. I have mine set up so I connect to the internet like so: #dial , and when I am connected, a message says "You are connected to the Internet!" comes up. To disconnect, #hangup
There are three consoles, so you can use one for "TOP", one to dial & hangup, and one for "links". Fix an internal start page with your favorite links in place of the default one. It'll come up when you start "links", and get you going quicker. Like most linux distros you can customize Grey Cat to your tastes. Soon (I hope soon) Grey Cat 3.x will be available, and this will have a gui, and use Netscape 3.04 as the browser. If one disables Javascript, NS 3.04 is tolerable. Opera did not have a browser for Linux then, too bad.. One thing about Grey Cat is the ease of connecting to the internet via dial up. The setup provided is well done.( Also the email setup)
Linux distros are cheap because there are loads of alternatives (lowering 'need' for your one) and the users are mainly cheapskates ;-)
Yep, that's me!
- http://www.greycatlinux.myweb.nl/
I use GCLinux 2.xVery easy to install, and if you have a hardware modem (external) then connecting to the internet is very easy. Soon, Grey Cat will have a minimal install 3.x version, with a GUI.
The 2.x version installs on a MS-DOS machine, and the 3.x will be a partitioned install. I doubt this will have all the tools that Mandrake has to partition your drive. I mention Grey Cat Linux because it is a minimal installation, something to play around with, especially on old 486 computers that otherwise would be a drag to use RHL on. (you won't like it, believe me) I have RHL 6.1 on a couple of older pentium class machines (runs ok), and I like the fact that you can set it up the way you want, with your own configurations. I am making this post on a RHL 7.1 machine, and it is a wonderful distribution, to be sure, but I'm having to run it on a 200 MHZ 128 MB machine. As soon as GCL 3.x is ready, I'm going to try it out and see if it can keep up with Windows 3.x on some older machines:-)
- http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/pathway.ht
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btw, my load times for the above page (using dialup) are: 12.441 seconds first time, then 2.772 seconds returning to the page. You might test your browser to see what Mozilla reports as the time required to get to "Document: Done.I'm running Build 2002052607, which was a nightly that I got before the weekend. There may be one out now that is later. I'm using RHL 7.1, on an IBM 350 upgraded to a 200 mhz processor, with 128 mb ram. 5400 rpm 20 gb maxtor HDD. I have no speed problems at all. The typing into the url area is normal, with almost no delay, perhaps 1/4 second or so, certainly no 3 seconds. As I make this post, TOP shows 96.3 idle, and the swap file shows zero K in there. I do not know what has slowed your system down, and wonder how Opera 6.0 for Linux performs. That one is very quick also. I am running tests between the Windows version of Mozilla, and the Linux version, on this same computer (partitioned), and have a hard time telling the difference. Windows seems to have an edge, and also displays the fonts better than RHL.
Ok, I found a home for the two 32 MB EDO 72 pin 4k refresh sticks. It's in my Macintosh Quadra 660av!
Normally, apple ram will work in my Compaq 575, but these two sticks caused lots of trouble with Windows 98 in the Compaq, and barely ran RHL 6.1 (well enough to get the above post completed). I am making this post with the two sticks, and from the Mac.) Where will I go next with the two bargain 32 mb sticks? Will I put them in something else, and get back here with a slightly off topic post? I'll spare everyone that;-).
Well, as we speak, I am testing some new memory in my old Compaq 575. I have an AMD K-6 2 installed, so it runs fairly well, normally. Anyway, Windows 98 crashed badly, so I decided to reboot into the RHL 6.1 partition and see how that holds up. Right off the bat, Gnome crashed, and I was deposited right back a the login screen. I'm using Mozilla now, and the talkback feature is hollering full blast. Here's what I have done: I do not have a matched set of memory in this thing. I can see right now I am going to have to put the old memory back in. Linux does a better job than Windows 98 in tests like this, but still has problems. My point is, whatever memory you use, make sure it is good quality, and a matched set, approved for your machine. I like those setups where you get 512 MB in one stick. That ought to do it. I'm not blaming Windows, it's me and my cheap off brand ram. This is a case where it's not the software, it's the hardware. If you always wondered if you would hear about someone that has that problem, then today is your lucky day:-)
btw, I'm having all kinds of strange colors show up, but except for that, Linux is hanging in there. Windows couldn't get too far before a lockup.
Just a thought. One of those new iMac's with Mandrake Linux installed. Anyone have enough bread to be able to afford one of those or know someone who has one, to see if it is quiet or not?
Now that's funny. If some of that comes true, I guess one morning when I cannot connect to the internet I need to turn on the TV and see if someone evil now owns the internet.
What they have to say applies regardless of the quality of the show. Of course, the springer-type shows make it worse. If you have cable, and they throw in a bunch of hair-removal channels, etc, then you come away from the experience of watching TV a little punch-drunk. Maybe we need more interactivity in our tv watching, somehow. Flipping channels just isn't enough.
I came across this one yesterday: http://www.gateway.com/home/prod/hm_700xl_ProdDeta il.shtml
When I saw this post just now about a 333 MHz FSB, I thought yall would like to see one with a 533 MHz FSB. Not that I can afford any of this, I'm using a n IBM 350 P90 with a 200 mhz upgrade processor, and 128 mb ram and it works just fine for what I want. Using a 20 GB HDD, with Win 98, RHL 7.1, Win 3.11. Right now I'm playing with Netscape 7.0 for Win 98, and comparing it to Mozilla rc3 for Linux. I run one for a while, then boot back up to the other. Can't imagine what these faster machines would be like.