First, the EULA is kinda null and void on this issue. Do you EVER get to send a counter contract to Microsoft?
That's absurd. If you don't like the EULA, you send it back for a refund. If you want to send a counter contract, do so - but don't do anything else until Microsoft sends back the "Haha, fuck off" letter.
They've got every right to not grant you a purchase if you're going to agree to the contract.
Next using your argument motorcycle helmet, gun, tobacco, and chemical companies have nothing to EVER worry about. Heck I bet the next box of Camel's will have an EULA on it:-)
AS for using Ford as an example, look at the FireStone tires they had on their Explorers. They got sued for that one, and they finally admitted fault, but yet even after they had the recall people still sued them.
Ford / Firestone got sued for injuries prior to the recall, and for covering up the problem. They also didn't make people sign a waiver absolving them from responsibility when the tires were purchased - a rather major difference between their situation and a MS EULA.
Most of the companies that get paid to make spacecraft are the same ones that get paid to make military hardware - Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc. There wouldn't be much of an economic hit - might even be a boost.
The exploits in Windows were DEFECTS in the product. My company pays millions to put that product on thousands of machines, and it was defective. I plan on asking IT higher ups if we are planning any legal action against Microsoft for selling defective products.
When Ford gets sued because Crown Victorias explode when they are rear ended by another car, Ford doesn't get out of the lawsuits because "someone else ran into the car" they pay through the nose because their gas tanks are defective. Microsoft deserves the same treatment in the courts. Its the only true way they will EVER take security seriously.
For one, when you bought the software from them and installed it, you agreed that Microsoft has no liability for bugs, exploits, etc. It's all right there in the EULA.
As for Ford getting sued - if they issued a recall, offering free repairs to correct the defect, someone who refused / neglected to bring their car in wouldn't have much of a court case. Ford got in trouble over the Pinto because they tried to cover up the defect, not simply because there was a defect.
Uh, no - that's Akamai, which does load balancing for huge sites so the bandwidth is spread over a number of computers across the country. The servers that do the load balancing run Linux, but the actual Microsoft server was still running Windows behind that Linux box.
That's why WindowsUpdate shows up as having used "AkamaiGHost" as their HTTP server, and why Microsoft.com shows IIS6 running on Linux with a netblock owned by a different company.
MSNBC.com and Apple.com use Akamai for images and Quicktime movie trailers quite often.
In summary: you blew your wad a little early trying to bash MS. Whoops!
Set the ghost images up with the basic Microsoft Plug'n'Play drivers that are the default for stuff that it can't find a driver for, and just run WindowsUpdate once when the ghost image is installed. Windows'll automatically download all the necessary drivers - whee, done.
I'm new to XP (i've been with kde and macos 9 & x for the last years) and I find it awkward and confusing.
I imagine if I went to KDE and MacOS9, it'd be somewhat awkward and confusing for me, too. Usability studies are a crock... I haven't seen any studies done on people who have never used a computer at all.
Setting up a net net connection, for example, asks all sorts of questions that you have to think about, whereas apple and most linux distros just aask for your ip, mask name servers and gateway.
Well, you can go in and just plug in the numbers, if you'd like. That's an option for tech-savvy people like those on Slashdot... but for most people, they'd rather go through the wizard.
This box is a dual boot WinXP / Mandrake 8 box. Yes, I've used Linux.
You will see all packages listed in a nice window in aptitude. If you are in command line you can do a apt-cache search packagename
You still have to know what the name's likely to be. Given the names of some apps, you're not gonna find it unless you know what you're looking for. Regardless, that's no more "usable" than doing a quick Google search.
You did download, install and pay for winzip right? After winzip opens you still have to extract it right? Maybe you are one of those people who run untrusted applications in IE from the web, if that's the case then god help you. either way it's an extra step you don't have to take in linux.
Again, WinZip's not necessary for an exe or an msi, so why do you keep bringing it up? You're trying to compare packages to zip files to prove your point - apples to oranges.
I use Mozilla most of the time, which allows me to click "Launch File" after I've downloaded it... but in IE, "Open" suffices. There's not really a difference in security - you're gonna be running the file whether it's saved to your desktop or it's run from your internet temp directory.
No need to unzip or untar.
I was trying to point out that there's no need to unzip most Windows programs, either. Again, you're comparing apples and oranges and trying to pull conclusions on ease of use from that. Bzzzt.
Six or seven times. After of course agreeing to some god awful license. If you are lucky then you also get to reboot afterwards.
I personally like getting to configure my program before it installs, instead of having to figure out the config text files afterwards. For the average user, that's a hell of a lot easier.
Linux programs have licenses too, and I consider the GPL to be a "god awful license" in some ways, too.
Rebooting after an install hasn't been necessary since Win2000, anyways.
Communism is a totalitarian system that is totally opposed to freedom, including free software. In a communist society the state will seek to gain a monopoly of information.
Bzzzzt. The Soviet Union wasn't truly communist - don't use 'em as an example of it. True communism means no government, no state, and everyone shares everything according to their needs.
It's a good system, on paper, but human nature means it fails in anything larger than a small tribe or village.
The thing is, SCO was distributing their own distribution the entire time. Since that distro conatined their code, they were knowingly distributing it under the GPL.
With Linux you first have to find the package name (assuming this particular piece of software comes in package form and not just source code).
Maybe you buy it, maybe you go to download.com and search for it.
Maybe you buy it, maybe you go to sourceforge.net and search for it.
Next you have to download it and save it to some directory.
Or, you could just click "Open" instead of "Save".
Next you need to unzip it (oops you did install winzip and pay for it didn't you?).
Next you need to gzunzip it, then you need to untar it. Of course, that's not necessary if it's a package - but unzipping's not needed for an exe or an msi, either.
He merely said that people are used to Windows and thus they have a harder time learning to use KDE than someone who'd never been exposed to either. I'm not sure how you managed to interpret that as a pro-MS comment...
And considering that OSS is supposed to be everyone working for the general good, it could be considered communist in nature... communism isn't necessarily a bad thing, ya know.
Because you only open two apps at a time? Because you never work on more than one project at a time? Because you've never gotten a phone call about someone's server melting down and needed a clean workspace in a hurry without loosing track of the 4 *groups* of 18 apps you had open.45 seconds earlier?
I've currently got about 12 apps open, am working on three projects (PHP sites), but the servers I work with are all up and doing fine.
When you're good at Alt+Tab it's really no slower than using a virtual desktop would be, and it suits me better. If I wanted virtual desktops on my XP box, I'd just install Powertools for XP anyways.
All the sites I've worked at just have a ghosted image of the default setup - something that would work just fine for a library or school setting. If there's a problem with a computer, just load the default image - quick fix. Hell, do it every couple months as a precautionary measure.
And you're assuming "competent admins" in a public library with no dedicated IT staff - not very likely.
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by "pending" I assume you mean "once every single Republican and most Democratic politicians are dead", right?
What, and Open Source software is automatically perfect and never breaks like a Win32 package? They're going to have to pay techs to repair stuff whether it's Linux or Windows.
Not only that, but their card catalog software's most likely either web based or runs only on Windows - either way, it costs them nothing to stay with Windows.
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Read his post again, slowly.
Suplementary ballots had to be printed when Mondale ran as the party candidate replacement for Wellstone.
They needed to replace the dead guy's name with the new candidate, not just remove him from the ballot.
First, the EULA is kinda null and void on this issue. Do you EVER get to send a counter contract to Microsoft?
:-)
That's absurd. If you don't like the EULA, you send it back for a refund. If you want to send a counter contract, do so - but don't do anything else until Microsoft sends back the "Haha, fuck off" letter.
They've got every right to not grant you a purchase if you're going to agree to the contract.
Next using your argument motorcycle helmet, gun, tobacco, and chemical companies have nothing to EVER worry about. Heck I bet the next box of Camel's will have an EULA on it
AS for using Ford as an example, look at the FireStone tires they had on their Explorers. They got sued for that one, and they finally admitted fault, but yet even after they had the recall people still sued them.
Ford / Firestone got sued for injuries prior to the recall, and for covering up the problem. They also didn't make people sign a waiver absolving them from responsibility when the tires were purchased - a rather major difference between their situation and a MS EULA.
Maybe I'm misreading your post, but why would we want to fly Lunar water to Terra, which is 70-plus percent covered with the stuff?
Most of the companies that get paid to make spacecraft are the same ones that get paid to make military hardware - Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc. There wouldn't be much of an economic hit - might even be a boost.
The exploits in Windows were DEFECTS in the product. My company pays millions to put that product on thousands of machines, and it was defective. I plan on asking IT higher ups if we are planning any legal action against Microsoft for selling defective products.
When Ford gets sued because Crown Victorias explode when they are rear ended by another car, Ford doesn't get out of the lawsuits because "someone else ran into the car" they pay through the nose because their gas tanks are defective. Microsoft deserves the same treatment in the courts. Its the only true way they will EVER take security seriously.
For one, when you bought the software from them and installed it, you agreed that Microsoft has no liability for bugs, exploits, etc. It's all right there in the EULA.
As for Ford getting sued - if they issued a recall, offering free repairs to correct the defect, someone who refused / neglected to bring their car in wouldn't have much of a court case. Ford got in trouble over the Pinto because they tried to cover up the defect, not simply because there was a defect.
So now your used to the Lightwave program, price goes up, what do you do?
Continue using the program since you've already paid for it?
p.s. learn the difference between "your" and "you're", please...
Maybe it was cloudy there?
Pity they don't know the virus writer's IP... heh...
Uh, no - that's Akamai, which does load balancing for huge sites so the bandwidth is spread over a number of computers across the country. The servers that do the load balancing run Linux, but the actual Microsoft server was still running Windows behind that Linux box.
That's why WindowsUpdate shows up as having used "AkamaiGHost" as their HTTP server, and why Microsoft.com shows IIS6 running on Linux with a netblock owned by a different company.
MSNBC.com and Apple.com use Akamai for images and Quicktime movie trailers quite often.
In summary: you blew your wad a little early trying to bash MS. Whoops!
Set the ghost images up with the basic Microsoft Plug'n'Play drivers that are the default for stuff that it can't find a driver for, and just run WindowsUpdate once when the ghost image is installed. Windows'll automatically download all the necessary drivers - whee, done.
EVERY nation that has implemented Communism as described by Marx and Engels has ALWAYS developed in a brutal, tyrannical, murderous regime.
There's not a single country in the history of the world that has successfully implemented communism as proposed by Marx and Engels. Not one.
I guess this blows the "slashdotters know what they are talking about" myth. Oh wait......
;-)
That myth existed? Seems fairly unlikely to me...
this comment claims that this vulnerability was exploited... it's not always an inside job or password theft
*claps*
I'm new to XP (i've been with kde and macos 9 & x for the last years) and I find it awkward and confusing.
I imagine if I went to KDE and MacOS9, it'd be somewhat awkward and confusing for me, too. Usability studies are a crock... I haven't seen any studies done on people who have never used a computer at all.
Setting up a net net connection, for example, asks all sorts of questions that you have to think about, whereas apple and most linux distros just aask for your ip, mask name servers and gateway.
Well, you can go in and just plug in the numbers, if you'd like. That's an option for tech-savvy people like those on Slashdot... but for most people, they'd rather go through the wizard.
You have never used linux before have you?
This box is a dual boot WinXP / Mandrake 8 box. Yes, I've used Linux.
You will see all packages listed in a nice window in aptitude. If you are in command line you can do a apt-cache search packagename
You still have to know what the name's likely to be. Given the names of some apps, you're not gonna find it unless you know what you're looking for. Regardless, that's no more "usable" than doing a quick Google search.
You did download, install and pay for winzip right? After winzip opens you still have to extract it right? Maybe you are one of those people who run untrusted applications in IE from the web, if that's the case then god help you. either way it's an extra step you don't have to take in linux.
Again, WinZip's not necessary for an exe or an msi, so why do you keep bringing it up? You're trying to compare packages to zip files to prove your point - apples to oranges.
I use Mozilla most of the time, which allows me to click "Launch File" after I've downloaded it... but in IE, "Open" suffices. There's not really a difference in security - you're gonna be running the file whether it's saved to your desktop or it's run from your internet temp directory.
No need to unzip or untar.
I was trying to point out that there's no need to unzip most Windows programs, either. Again, you're comparing apples and oranges and trying to pull conclusions on ease of use from that. Bzzzt.
Six or seven times. After of course agreeing to some god awful license. If you are lucky then you also get to reboot afterwards.
I personally like getting to configure my program before it installs, instead of having to figure out the config text files afterwards. For the average user, that's a hell of a lot easier.
Linux programs have licenses too, and I consider the GPL to be a "god awful license" in some ways, too.
Rebooting after an install hasn't been necessary since Win2000, anyways.
Communism is a totalitarian system that is totally opposed to freedom, including free software. In a communist society the state will seek to gain a monopoly of information.
Bzzzzt. The Soviet Union wasn't truly communist - don't use 'em as an example of it. True communism means no government, no state, and everyone shares everything according to their needs.
It's a good system, on paper, but human nature means it fails in anything larger than a small tribe or village.
The thing is, SCO was distributing their own distribution the entire time. Since that distro conatined their code, they were knowingly distributing it under the GPL.
With windows you first have to find the program.
With Linux you first have to find the package name (assuming this particular piece of software comes in package form and not just source code).
Maybe you buy it, maybe you go to download.com and search for it.
Maybe you buy it, maybe you go to sourceforge.net and search for it.
Next you have to download it and save it to some directory.
Or, you could just click "Open" instead of "Save".
Next you need to unzip it (oops you did install winzip and pay for it didn't you?).
Next you need to gzunzip it, then you need to untar it. Of course, that's not necessary if it's a package - but unzipping's not needed for an exe or an msi, either.
Next you need to install it.
Press "Next". Done!
Funny, in the usability study CD-burning was one of the things Linux was found to be better because Windows XP's in-built system was found awkard.
That seems rather weird to me, considering that burning a CD in XP is as simple as dragging the files onto the CD drive and pressing "Burn to CD"...
Astroturfer?
He merely said that people are used to Windows and thus they have a harder time learning to use KDE than someone who'd never been exposed to either. I'm not sure how you managed to interpret that as a pro-MS comment...
And considering that OSS is supposed to be everyone working for the general good, it could be considered communist in nature... communism isn't necessarily a bad thing, ya know.
Because you only open two apps at a time? Because you never work on more than one project at a time? Because you've never gotten a phone call about someone's server melting down and needed a clean workspace in a hurry without loosing track of the 4 *groups* of 18 apps you had open .45 seconds earlier?
I've currently got about 12 apps open, am working on three projects (PHP sites), but the servers I work with are all up and doing fine.
When you're good at Alt+Tab it's really no slower than using a virtual desktop would be, and it suits me better. If I wanted virtual desktops on my XP box, I'd just install Powertools for XP anyways.
All the sites I've worked at just have a ghosted image of the default setup - something that would work just fine for a library or school setting. If there's a problem with a computer, just load the default image - quick fix. Hell, do it every couple months as a precautionary measure.
And you're assuming "competent admins" in a public library with no dedicated IT staff - not very likely.
by "pending" I assume you mean "once every single Republican and most Democratic politicians are dead", right?
What, and Open Source software is automatically perfect and never breaks like a Win32 package? They're going to have to pay techs to repair stuff whether it's Linux or Windows.
Not only that, but their card catalog software's most likely either web based or runs only on Windows - either way, it costs them nothing to stay with Windows.