You're missing something important that I would like you to consider.
You've begun argueing that since secession was "illegal" under the Constitution (still very much open to contest), the South was "illegally rebelling", and therefore "deserved what it got"?
Trying to state that it is illegal to rebel, and therefore any entity that does so is deserving of whatever wrath is visited upon it, does not hold water in the United States of America. Rebellion is quite literally the cornerstone of this country. Technicalities cannot bear consequence against that fact.
"You done dug yerself a hole", as my grandfather would say.
I'll head down another road. If one felt the need to specify a reason for the North to force "preservation of the Union", what would you think about my suggesting the following:
The South, and any territories that might follow it into seccession, represented a potentially devestating loss of cheap raw materials for the juggernaught industrial might of the North.
For fun, try it this way:
"Once again, the colonies precipitated the war by seceding. That secession was driven by the colonies' obsession with preserving and expanding sovreignity. If sovreignity had not existed in the colonies, there would have been no secession and, hence, no war."
And if England had won the Revolutionary War, would you use the same statement as above to defend the action?
Is someone only right if they win?
What I'm asking is:
Why did the North have to attack the South for secession?
Was the South a threat, with its inferior industrial base and strategic necessity of NOT threatening the North? (notice the North had to invade!)
If the constituency of the South decided that their representation in the United States of America was inadequate, and wanted to cease involvement in the Union, why did the North have to invade and destroy it?
Now, since the South wasn't destroyed because of slavery, since it was not the "precipitating cause" of the war......why did it deserve the full wrath of "preservation"?
Ya got me! I made it all up...but it's damn good propoganda, isn't it?
Still, "preserving the Union" sounds a little too noble for perpetrating war.
When someone wants to leave anything, is it just to rape, burn, and pillage them into submission?
You can't justify it with a "crusade to free the slaves", either. The North participated in slavery for a long time, too. A few decades of good behaviour doesn't buy you that much High Ground.
You're telling me the only reason this country fought a long, terrible, bitter civil war was because the Constitution DID NOT say they DIDN'T HAVE TO??? "On a technicality"??? That's one of the sorriest reasons to kill I've ever heard; worse than what comes off of CNN today!
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't our Declaration of Independance enumerate a devine right of the people to alter or abolish Government that is destructive to Life, Liberty, and the persuit of Happiness? I guess Thommy J. coudn't get that into the final draft...
I'm tired of people lieing about the Civil War and romanticizing the North's "noble cause" of freeing the slaves. It's called money, folks.
Of course, I'm not trying to make excuses for slavery (it's a sensationalist fool's desperate arguement to say I could condone it) but the simple fact of the matter was that Northern businessmen were at a disadvantage because of slave labor. They couldn't compete, and they couldn't just reinstate slavery.
So the North legistlated new business rules. The South decided that it was their damn right to govern themselves as they saw fit. The North couldn't let them, and in the process has destroyed the South and still looks down upon it to this day (see original post...you bastard)
Money money money money money money money money
There is no such thing as a noble cause. Ambition is survival. Man is an animal.
Goddamned hippies.
...I took to playing the drums. Don't like commercial software?...write your own code. Don't like commercialized schlock albums?...make your own music.
2600 is taking care of the work that everyone should be apart of. Buy a friggin' subscription, click through and buy a shirt (I have four!) give them the capital needed to fight the good fight!!! Not many people have the mature connection with EFF to carry out such rebellion against unjust US laws. Separately we can do very little; yet united we can change the world!!!
How services run for profit cost people less than the same service provided by a non-profit institution?
Negative effects of no competition? Well...
What if massive services such as the Internet were administered cooperatively by multiple groups who compete for "bonuses"? Whoever provides the best performing section of the network for the best price wins a pay increase.
Yes, it would make it that much easier for the G-Man to install surveillance equipment, but private companies already are complying. Plus, if mega-corps didn't make unfathomable amounts of money off of what has become an essential element of our right to Free Speech, perhaps they wouldn't have the money to enslave the Third World and get everyone pissed at us...therefore no reason for terrorists to terrorize.
Perhaps a bit simple, but IMHO something to look at.
here is a document about the one-way version of the translator...where it states that Dragon Systems along with Marine Acoustics provided the technology for it. Wonder if they are involved with the two-way...
centrifugal force is the the result of matter (the cd) wanting to travel in a straight line while in motion, rather than continue on it's circular path (changing it's direction continuously). As the CD spins faster and faster, the material of the CD wanting to travel toward a path perpendicular to the inward path the rotational motion prescibes exerts enough force to pull the CD apart.
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You're missing something important that I would like you to consider.
You've begun argueing that since secession was "illegal" under the Constitution (still very much open to contest), the South was "illegally rebelling", and therefore "deserved what it got"?
Trying to state that it is illegal to rebel, and therefore any entity that does so is deserving of whatever wrath is visited upon it, does not hold water in the United States of America. Rebellion is quite literally the cornerstone of this country. Technicalities cannot bear consequence against that fact.
"You done dug yerself a hole", as my grandfather would say.
I'll head down another road. If one felt the need to specify a reason for the North to force "preservation of the Union", what would you think about my suggesting the following:
The South, and any territories that might follow it into seccession, represented a potentially devestating loss of cheap raw materials for the juggernaught industrial might of the North.
For fun, try it this way: "Once again, the colonies precipitated the war by seceding. That secession was driven by the colonies' obsession with preserving and expanding sovreignity. If sovreignity had not existed in the colonies, there would have been no secession and, hence, no war." And if England had won the Revolutionary War, would you use the same statement as above to defend the action? Is someone only right if they win? What I'm asking is: Why did the North have to attack the South for secession? Was the South a threat, with its inferior industrial base and strategic necessity of NOT threatening the North? (notice the North had to invade!) If the constituency of the South decided that their representation in the United States of America was inadequate, and wanted to cease involvement in the Union, why did the North have to invade and destroy it?
Right.
...or...
...Geez, you just don't want to answer this one, do you?
If abolition of slavery was a mere tactic used late in the war...
"Why was Preservation of the Union worth destroying part of it?"
"Why could the North not let the South go?"
Rule: No ideology. Common people will die for it, but it's not why sovereigns go to war.
exactly.
...why did it deserve the full wrath of "preservation"?
Now, since the South wasn't destroyed because of slavery, since it was not the "precipitating cause" of the war...
Ya got me! I made it all up...but it's damn good propoganda, isn't it?
Still, "preserving the Union" sounds a little too noble for perpetrating war.
When someone wants to leave anything, is it just to rape, burn, and pillage them into submission?
You can't justify it with a "crusade to free the slaves", either. The North participated in slavery for a long time, too. A few decades of good behaviour doesn't buy you that much High Ground.
You're telling me the only reason this country fought a long, terrible, bitter civil war was because the Constitution DID NOT say they DIDN'T HAVE TO??? "On a technicality"??? That's one of the sorriest reasons to kill I've ever heard; worse than what comes off of CNN today!
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't our Declaration of Independance enumerate a devine right of the people to alter or abolish Government that is destructive to Life, Liberty, and the persuit of Happiness? I guess Thommy J. coudn't get that into the final draft...
I'm tired of people lieing about the Civil War and romanticizing the North's "noble cause" of freeing the slaves. It's called money, folks. Of course, I'm not trying to make excuses for slavery (it's a sensationalist fool's desperate arguement to say I could condone it) but the simple fact of the matter was that Northern businessmen were at a disadvantage because of slave labor. They couldn't compete, and they couldn't just reinstate slavery. So the North legistlated new business rules. The South decided that it was their damn right to govern themselves as they saw fit. The North couldn't let them, and in the process has destroyed the South and still looks down upon it to this day (see original post...you bastard) Money money money money money money money money There is no such thing as a noble cause. Ambition is survival. Man is an animal. Goddamned hippies.
...I took to playing the drums. Don't like commercial software?...write your own code. Don't like commercialized schlock albums?...make your own music.
2600 is taking care of the work that everyone should be apart of. Buy a friggin' subscription, click through and buy a shirt (I have four!) give them the capital needed to fight the good fight!!! Not many people have the mature connection with EFF to carry out such rebellion against unjust US laws. Separately we can do very little; yet united we can change the world!!!
How services run for profit cost people less than the same service provided by a non-profit institution? Negative effects of no competition? Well... What if massive services such as the Internet were administered cooperatively by multiple groups who compete for "bonuses"? Whoever provides the best performing section of the network for the best price wins a pay increase. Yes, it would make it that much easier for the G-Man to install surveillance equipment, but private companies already are complying. Plus, if mega-corps didn't make unfathomable amounts of money off of what has become an essential element of our right to Free Speech, perhaps they wouldn't have the money to enslave the Third World and get everyone pissed at us...therefore no reason for terrorists to terrorize. Perhaps a bit simple, but IMHO something to look at.
here is a document about the one-way version of the translator...where it states that Dragon Systems along with Marine Acoustics provided the technology for it. Wonder if they are involved with the two-way...
Sorry... here or google search "DARPA one-way translator" here
Sorry...here's a link to info in the one-way translator http://www.sarich.com/translator/main.html Enjoy!
yes..I know...SPELLING is important!!!
OK...the context in which the author described centrifugal force was wrong...and I played along trying to describe the phenomenea. Sorry...
centrifugal force is the the result of matter (the cd) wanting to travel in a straight line while in motion, rather than continue on it's circular path (changing it's direction continuously). As the CD spins faster and faster, the material of the CD wanting to travel toward a path perpendicular to the inward path the rotational motion prescibes exerts enough force to pull the CD apart.
here is the transcript!!!
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Silance 9: do you like icecream?
LindsayBuddy: Icecream? i'm not sure... i guess i'll have to think about it!
Silance 9: chocolate?
LindsayBuddy: I seem to be having some trouble answering your questions. Try asking for help for a specific service:
help about lindsay
help lindsay's album
help downloads
help lindsay hangman
help zodiac
help all
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>>> Type "more" for more services.
Silance 9: ice cream?
LindsayBuddy: What was that?
Silance 9: is good.
LindsayBuddy: Which movie did you mean by Good?
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>>> Don't forget, I will always remember the last location you gave me!
Actually, it's not a BS experiment. If you can see how bacteria can evolve around potential treatments for them, you can see how long they will be suceptable to the treatment, and by what evolved mechanism they are able to survive. You could then use that information to develope a drug that delivers an initial punch while also preventing the predicted evolutionary escape route.