What is the best way to waste the time of government bodies who monitor email and/or telephone conversations? (Please point me to an faq..)
Just a few thought to be added to:
1/Encrypt with an easy to decypt password (I am not important enough for them to try very hard:) )
2/Send lots of slightly altered binaries/gifs back and forth with your normal mail
3/Browse the hacking/conspiracy/revolutionary web sites
4/Use hushmail.com and/or PGP
5/Talk about unibomber/trade center type conspiracies on the phone
6/Use emacs spook command
7/Mention project echelon and Operation Vengefull
8/Try not to get too wrapped up in this stuff yourself as they are probably not watching you (much).
9/Send around this type of posting..
10/Make conversations over insecure channels based on previous secure channel eg face to face conversations that would not have been likely to be taped
11/Base insecure communication conversations on shared belief systems and/or shared knowledge (for example literary references) that would take some effort for the eavesdropper to resolve.
12/Make insecure communications ambiguous so that the other side of the conversation may work out the really meaning (or demand clarification), the eavesdropper cannot resolve ambiguity by cross examining..
13/Use an (Arabic or Irish) (accent or language), [though speaking Irish in an Arabic accent or speaking Arabic in an Irish accent might really confuse].
I thought encrypting everything too much might make it too hard for them to track you and not fire off enough warning signals in their (automated) monitoring center..
So basically I want to put a message [the president will be shot within the next month] inside a lightly encrypted message so when they
decrypt it [maybe automatically] they think they have some information of value, or that they have to act upon, if they act you know they have read your message. Alternatively put in a really good original joke (they are hard to come by [whats brown and sticky? -- a stick] [standards of humour may vary]) and see if it gets back to you through the government listener. These are the two standard cryptography 'red book' methods of seeing if your communication channel is compromised.
I am not a good shot so I'll have to get someone else to do it.
Turloch
'There is a place for everyone in this struggle no matter how big or how small. Let us increase our strength and the strength of our analysis by finding a place for them all.' Bobby Sands
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Once an open company is set up, using open source best practices, it should be easy to duplicate elsewhere.
Are there many small open source companies, say developing open source customised applications using open source, out there to learn off/francise off to set up ones own small open source venture, leveraging open source code to give one the code backing only available otherwise in large companies?
http://www.feratech.com/ is one company web site I have come across.
Maybe having people on the edge reminds us how vulnerable people are, and aids development if for some reason the edge skills turn out to be useful in other ways.
-Postcard from the edge.
Just let the Irish talk to everybody and visa versa - things can hardly get worse.
In Yes Prime Minister the civil service was saying how to arrange the states, the prime minister suggested alphabeticaly, to which the civil service replied but that would put Ireland beside Iran and Iraq, and Ireland never solved anything.
But seriously folks the Irish peace process has been playing it pretty close to the wire for years it's about time it was forked elsewhere, Cuba, Afganistan, Korea, Germany (oops done already), Iraq (maybe), someone might "Break on through to the other side"-the doors.
Do any small open source consultancies release their custom JSP/JDBC applications/cookbooks/templates that may be used to set up (franchise:) ) other small open source consultancies? [EJBs seem too complicated to start with]
JSP/JDBC and open source seems a reasonable way to explore and gain experience, before I give up my day job.
It looks like one has to jimmy the useragent field to get Mozilla 0.9.3 working with hotmail. Being lazy I switch back to Netscape 4.7 . Is this a microsoft plot or is my paranoia misplaced..
Instead of feeling trapped like a hamster running on a treadmill, pick an area you can get into, and have solid knowledge of, before poking out into related mainstream coding.
Related niche areas include porting, parsing, configuration management, documentation, database administration, sytem administration and testing.
I worked in porting (lots of compiler flags and Make files) for a couple of years and got pretty much on top of it, and picked up knowledge of the application (oracle) before leaping into related jobs.
Now I work in parsing (lex and yacc type stuff using javacc) and I really should (I will - think positive) be making a better fist of getting on top of it.
I realise I do not cut it as a top, or even good, coder, though I do have dreams of putting something together in my own time using open source (a JSP/JDBC cookbook/framework is the current bet). I think my problem with coding is that I never have had the time to really get on top of it, it was either too routine, in one job, or too open ended, in another.
Remember if you are really bad you could get promoted to management.
Pax Romanus [Roman rumour]
Religions [Who believe they have The Truth]
Gossip
Jokes [e.g. spreading around the internet]
Ideas [Democracy, isms (communisim, fascism)]
Empires [EU, USSR, US 'sphere of influence']
Open Source
Marketing & Mindshare (&Microsoft)
I would be very surprised if study on the growth, or lifecycle, of any of these networks (some more decentralised than others) would not shine light on the others. No new pardigm is needed.
Just my 2 euro cents,
Call me lazy (I am) is there a summary or commentary on all that raw information that can show us hacks attempted, both successful and unsuccessful. It even gives some hacker some reflected flame at deciphering and commenting on the information. If I was considerably less lazy I might do it myself.
What are the Computer Interaction habits of successful hackers and programmers?
[I am thinking habbits and techniques that work on any platform/environment, maybe including a few simple tools]
I suppose there could be something down the Human Computer Interation line, but that seems mostly about writing more useable programs not making use of good enough environments and simple prebuilt tools (editors) alongside integrated programming environments.
Is there some information on how people usually cope with the usual mix of tasks and interruptions of everyday programming life?
My 2 cents are below,
Turloch
My 2 cents/operating mode:
I put almost all information through a single text file and use a editor which can edit lots of files at once and contain a few shells (emacs) this may be because I am a bit nervous of the os I currently use at work (windows nt), but using text files, emacs I can work on most platforms. [The number of windows still stacks up though.]
Other people work differently with lots of paper folders, print outs, post it notes, and bookmarks.
Other people go for the minimalist approach and assume everything of use is indexed on google.
Other people go to the max and write little html guides for themselves and everyone else to use.
[There are lots of management type techniques on top of this, to do lists, one touch (Do it, Disgard it or Delagate it) etc.]
In more connected prose: I reckon that there was more gained between 11 September and now than there will be after military action, maybe the U.S. was afraid that given more time everyone would realise that diplomacy (and the bullying threat of war) rather than war would hold the more enduring benifit.
Like a good poker player must occasionaly bluff, maybe the U.S. must occasionally go to war to prove it is prepared to. There must be a better way, even if it is through the slow moving treacle of the U.N.
Just my 2 euro cents..
Sounds like sabre rattling to me. Might is not right. It is like open source vs microsoft, about the middle ground about mind share.. not about supporting war and extremism on either side.
If you want to guess my views read my newsnet posts or my stray thoughts on http://www.geocities.com/totierne written before the current American disaster.
Lack of close to the customer middle management outside the U.S. keeps software work in the U.S. which could otherwise be pushed off to divisions in cheap labour countrys, Ireland, India etc.
The first stage has been to put back end processing and programming to cheaper labour countries, the next stage is to include more customer focused people in the cheaper labour countries so more decision making can be done there. Hopefully returning H1-B people have more than 'just' programming experience but more Product Management, Buisness Awareness and Customer Facing skills.
There are some analogies between distributed networks where there is a participant faking and intelligence networks where one person may be an informer or trying to introduce false data.
Using different paths through the network to see which one leaks or which message gets warped
Sending extreme data (that the informer has to act upon) through the network (this may be true or false)
The informer may end up ironically being a trusted part of the network as there is too much risk in the informer being found out if they act as an informer (i.e. leak or subvert information).
But then I suppose people may act in an extreme manor under normal circumstances to try to be part of a gang/clan/subculture.
Actually slashdot might be a good medium to carry a message on as lots of people read and right to it every day and an extra coded message might be easily missed.
In the past (Easter rising Ireland 1916 being one case) notices in the small ads of newspapers have been used as a widely distributed medium where an extra coded message might not be intercepted by the enemy.
Maybe one needs to keep a level of communication going on all channels (lets call this gossiping) and piggyback the message on top of the base gossiping message keeping the message characteristics (source, destination and volume of messages) the same.
We have email space, we have OS access, we have Application Service Providers, how about database access?
It would be nice if database developers could get access to database space on the latest from a database company, thus helping the database company get the latest features to be used by developers. I do work for Oracle so I would hope Oracle would pick up this idea first.
I have nothing much to hide so how do I get the feds interested in investigating me..
just a few thought to be added to:
1/encrypt with an easy to decypt password (I am not important enough for them to try very hard:) )
2/send lots of slightly altered binaries/gifs back and forth with your normal mail
3/browse the hacking/conspiracy/revolutionary web sites
4/use hushmail.com and/or PGP
5/talk about unibomber type conspiracies on the phone
6/use emacs spook command
7/mention project echelon and Operation Vengefull
Putting some of these ideas together:
So basically I want to put a message [the president will be shot within the next month] inside a lightly encrypted message so when they decrypt it [maybe automatically] they think they have some information of value, or that they have to act upon, if they act you know they have read your message. Alternatively put in a really good original joke (they are hard to come by [whats brown and sticky? -- a stick] [standards of humour may vary]) and see if it gets back to you through the government listener. These are the two standard cryptography 'red book' methods of seeing if your communication channel is compromised.
[I am not a good shot so I'll have to get someone else to do it. ]
Turloch
'There is a place for everyone in this struggle no matter how big or how small. Let us increase our strength and the strength of our analysis by finding a place for them all.'
PGP key follows
--
YeP I HaVe NOT BoTHereD To GEt PGp -- yet
Oracle has a migration product for Access to Oracle (keeping the Access front end), and also a product for mysql, sqlserver, informix and sybase to Oracle migrations. See Oracle Migration Workbench requires a free registration at technet
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What is the best way to waste the time of government bodies who monitor email and/or telephone conversations? (Please point me to an faq..)
:) )
Just a few thought to be added to:
1/Encrypt with an easy to decypt password (I am not important enough for them to try very hard
2/Send lots of slightly altered binaries/gifs back and forth with your normal mail
3/Browse the hacking/conspiracy/revolutionary web sites
4/Use hushmail.com and/or PGP
5/Talk about unibomber/trade center type conspiracies on the phone
6/Use emacs spook command
7/Mention project echelon and Operation Vengefull
8/Try not to get too wrapped up in this stuff yourself as they are probably not watching you (much).
9/Send around this type of posting..
10/Make conversations over insecure channels based on previous secure channel eg face to face conversations that would not have been likely to be taped
11/Base insecure communication conversations on shared belief systems and/or shared knowledge (for example literary references) that would take some effort for the eavesdropper to resolve.
12/Make insecure communications ambiguous so that the other side of the conversation may work out the really meaning (or demand clarification), the eavesdropper cannot resolve ambiguity by cross examining..
13/Use an (Arabic or Irish) (accent or language), [though speaking Irish in an Arabic accent or speaking Arabic in an Irish accent might really confuse].
I thought encrypting everything too much might make it too hard for them to track you and not fire off enough warning signals in their (automated) monitoring center..
So basically I want to put a message [the president will be shot within the next month] inside a lightly encrypted message so when they
decrypt it [maybe automatically] they think they have some information of value, or that they have to act upon, if they act you know they have read your message. Alternatively put in a really good original joke (they are hard to come by [whats brown and sticky? -- a stick] [standards of humour may vary]) and see if it gets back to you through the government listener. These are the two standard cryptography 'red book' methods of seeing if your communication channel is compromised.
I am not a good shot so I'll have to get someone else to do it.
Turloch
'There is a place for everyone in this struggle no matter how big or how small. Let us increase our strength and the strength of our analysis by finding a place for them all.' Bobby Sands
PGP key follows
--
YeP I HaVe NOT BoTHereD To GEt PGp -- yet
Once an open company is set up, using open source best practices, it should be easy to duplicate elsewhere.
Are there many small open source companies, say developing open source customised applications using open source, out there to learn off/francise off to set up ones own small open source venture, leveraging open source code to give one the code backing only available otherwise in large companies?
http://www.feratech.com/ is one company web site I have come across.
Speaking as a pseudo intellectual mad person (Engineering not mathematics and bipolar not schizophrenia), the John Nash story suggests to me
:)) short of nobel prize winning stature).
1/ Review your college years in the vain hope for something worth remembering (obviously (just
2/ Try to think your way out of mental illness. [but keep taking the tablets]
http://www.geocities.com/totierne
Maybe having people on the edge reminds us how vulnerable people are, and aids development if for some reason the edge skills turn out to be useful in other ways.
-Postcard from the edge.
Knowledge is about predicting [reproducable] experiments or coming to terms with (rationalising) past results.
Life is about predicting future events, or having a world view that is flexible enough to come to terms with future [unexpected] events.
Not only is the universe stranger than you imagine, it is stranger than you can imagine. Albert Einstein
Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein
[giving you a developer license see http://otn.oracle.com]
...but requires you to pay on deployment.
Just let the Irish talk to everybody and visa versa - things can hardly get worse.
In Yes Prime Minister the civil service was saying how to arrange the states, the prime minister suggested alphabeticaly, to which the civil service replied but that would put Ireland beside Iran and Iraq, and Ireland never solved anything.
But seriously folks the Irish peace process has been playing it pretty close to the wire for years it's about time it was forked elsewhere, Cuba, Afganistan, Korea, Germany (oops done already), Iraq (maybe), someone might "Break on through to the other side"-the doors.
Do any small open source consultancies release their custom JSP/JDBC applications/cookbooks/templates that may be used to set up (franchise :) ) other small open source consultancies? [EJBs seem too complicated to start with]
JSP/JDBC and open source seems a reasonable way to explore and gain experience, before I give up my day job.
It looks like one has to jimmy the useragent field to get Mozilla 0.9.3 working with hotmail. Being lazy I switch back to Netscape 4.7 . Is this a microsoft plot or is my paranoia misplaced..
Confessions of a control freak:
Instead of feeling trapped like a hamster running on a treadmill, pick an area you can get into, and have solid knowledge of, before poking out into related mainstream coding.
Related niche areas include porting, parsing, configuration management, documentation, database administration, sytem administration and testing.
I worked in porting (lots of compiler flags and Make files) for a couple of years and got pretty much on top of it, and picked up knowledge of the application (oracle) before leaping into related jobs.
Now I work in parsing (lex and yacc type stuff using javacc) and I really should (I will - think positive) be making a better fist of getting on top of it.
I realise I do not cut it as a top, or even good, coder, though I do have dreams of putting something together in my own time using open source (a JSP/JDBC cookbook/framework is the current bet). I think my problem with coding is that I never have had the time to really get on top of it, it was either too routine, in one job, or too open ended, in another.
Remember if you are really bad you could get promoted to management.
Turloch
A lot of things boil down to this,
Pax Romanus [Roman rumour]
Religions [Who believe they have The Truth]
Gossip
Jokes [e.g. spreading around the internet]
Ideas [Democracy, isms (communisim, fascism)]
Empires [EU, USSR, US 'sphere of influence']
Open Source
Marketing & Mindshare (&Microsoft)
I would be very surprised if study on the growth, or lifecycle, of any of these networks (some more decentralised than others) would not shine light on the others. No new pardigm is needed.
Just my 2 euro cents,
Turloch
Call me lazy (I am) is there a summary or commentary on all that raw information that can show us hacks attempted, both successful and unsuccessful. It even gives some hacker some reflected flame at deciphering and commenting on the information. If I was considerably less lazy I might do it myself.
Greed is Good - 1980's
Lazy is Good - 2001
Is this because system architects are too busy to write web pages, or are unprepared to help other people up the ladder?
I think we should be told.
Or maybe I'll summarise this thread and post to the web...
Just A Programmer, not as young or enthusiastic about coding as he used to be...
What are the Computer Interaction habits of successful hackers and programmers?
[I am thinking habbits and techniques that work on any platform/environment, maybe including a few simple tools]
I suppose there could be something down the Human Computer Interation line, but that seems mostly about writing more useable programs not making use of good enough environments and simple prebuilt tools (editors) alongside integrated programming environments.
Is there some information on how people usually cope with the usual mix of tasks and interruptions of everyday programming life?
My 2 cents are below,
Turloch
My 2 cents/operating mode:
I put almost all information through a single text file and use a editor which can edit lots of files at once and contain a few shells (emacs) this may be because I am a bit nervous of the os I currently use at work (windows nt), but using text files, emacs I can work on most platforms. [The number of windows still stacks up though.]
Other people work differently with lots of paper folders, print outs, post it notes, and bookmarks.
Other people go for the minimalist approach and assume everything of use is indexed on google.
Other people go to the max and write little html guides for themselves and everyone else to use.
[There are lots of management type techniques on top of this, to do lists, one touch (Do it, Disgard it or Delagate it) etc.]
Win the battle, Win the War
-lose the peace
Might != right
In more connected prose: I reckon that there was more gained between 11 September and now than there will be after military action, maybe the U.S. was afraid that given more time everyone would realise that diplomacy (and the bullying threat of war) rather than war would hold the more enduring benifit.
Like a good poker player must occasionaly bluff, maybe the U.S. must occasionally go to war to prove it is prepared to. There must be a better way, even if it is through the slow moving treacle of the U.N.
Just my 2 euro cents..
Sounds like sabre rattling to me. Might is not right. It is like open source vs microsoft, about the middle ground about mind share.. not about supporting war and extremism on either side.
If you want to guess my views read my newsnet posts or my stray thoughts on http://www.geocities.com/totierne written before the current American disaster.
Just my 2 euro cents,
Turloch
The first stage has been to put back end processing and programming to cheaper labour countries, the next stage is to include more customer focused people in the cheaper labour countries so more decision making can be done there. Hopefully returning H1-B people have more than 'just' programming experience but more Product Management, Buisness Awareness and Customer Facing skills.
Maybe toys are just to keep us from studying/mimicing our parents which would be better (mostly).
How do we subvert the processors of the information by either
Producing false positives or
Hiding the identity of people who are being looked for?
Using different paths through the network to see which one leaks or which message gets warped
Sending extreme data (that the informer has to act upon) through the network (this may be true or false)
The informer may end up ironically being a trusted part of the network as there is too much risk in the informer being found out if they act as an informer (i.e. leak or subvert information).
But then I suppose people may act in an extreme manor under normal circumstances to try to be part of a gang/clan/subculture.
In the past (Easter rising Ireland 1916 being one case) notices in the small ads of newspapers have been used as a widely distributed medium where an extra coded message might not be intercepted by the enemy.
Maybe one needs to keep a level of communication going on all channels (lets call this gossiping) and piggyback the message on top of the base gossiping message keeping the message characteristics (source, destination and volume of messages) the same.
'We begin bombing in five minutes' - R. Reagan
It would be nice if database developers could get access to database space on the latest from a database company, thus helping the database company get the latest features to be used by developers. I do work for Oracle so I would hope Oracle would pick up this idea first.
I have nothing much to hide so how do I get the feds interested in investigating me.. :) )
just a few thought to be added to:
1/encrypt with an easy to decypt password (I am not important enough for them to try very hard
2/send lots of slightly altered binaries/gifs back and forth with your normal mail
3/browse the hacking/conspiracy/revolutionary web sites
4/use hushmail.com and/or PGP
5/talk about unibomber type conspiracies on the phone
6/use emacs spook command
7/mention project echelon and Operation Vengefull
Putting some of these ideas together:
So basically I want to put a message [the president will be shot within the next month] inside a lightly encrypted message so when they decrypt it [maybe automatically] they think they have some information of value, or that they have to act upon, if they act you know they have read your message. Alternatively put in a really good original joke (they are hard to come by [whats brown and sticky? -- a stick] [standards of humour may vary]) and see if it gets back to you through the government listener. These are the two standard cryptography 'red book' methods of seeing if your communication channel is compromised.
[I am not a good shot so I'll have to get someone else to do it. ]
Turloch
'There is a place for everyone in this struggle no matter how big or how small. Let us increase our strength and the strength of our analysis by finding a place for them all.'
PGP key follows
--
YeP I HaVe NOT BoTHereD To GEt PGp -- yet
Turloch