Another complaint about the '5 minute' life-or-death scenario: while I admit that 5 minutes can make a difference when an ambulance is racing to your house, at least around here, ambulance crews are not in the habit of going to movies on shift, at least around here. We're talking doctors, and it is a rare case -- a VERY rare case -- when a particular doctor getting to the hospital 5 minutes earlier would make a difference.
Another alternative to what I said before about leaving your pager at the desk: the theatre can install a minature network (802.11?) and give you an in-house pager in exchange for yours. Your's goes off, they'll trigger yours. 30 second or less response, especially if you automate the triggering.
>>those extra 5 minutes it takes for the front desk to get the doctor means everything to the patient. maybe one day when your life depends on a cell phone you'll reconsider.
5 minutes is a bit extreme. Let's see... at the local theatre I could probably start at the front desk, take a leisurely stroll to the projection booth, turn off the projector, saunter out into the screening area, and make an announcement that somebody better come get their pager in under 2 minutes. And picking up the desk phone and calling the usher in the projection booth and having him do it would be even quicker.
>>if the pager can get a signal, i don't see why the cell phone couldn't.
Intuition-based guess: Because cell phones need to be able to transmit. My guess is that when a pager transmitter sends out, it sends a MUCH stronger signal than when you have a cell and it's trying to transmit.
Second intuition-based guess: cell phones need continuous contact with the tower, pagers porbably don't.
>>you dont have that personal freedom moron. he has the right to FREE SPEACH... meaning he can talk whenever he wants whereever he f***ing wants to
You can make not using cell phones a condition of entering the theatre.
>>There are unconsitutional violations of this all over in society eg you cant say "bomb" in an airport.
Would you argue that not being able to say "bomb" in an airport is a bad thing? This is a case where the bad part -- mass panic -> lost customers -> lost revenue -- far outweighs the benefits of being able to say "bomb" in an airport (of which I can't think of any except if there is actually a bomb, in which case you can legally shout it...).
>>Futhermore im certain that this technology violates part 15 of the dcc rules of operation.
>>"(1) This device may not cause harmful interference and (2) this device must accept any interference recieved, including interference that may cause undesired operation"
How are you "certain"? Do you have a legal background? I don't, but I did some further digging: it appears that even if the FCC regulations you names would apply (they don't; I'll come back to that), the FCC doesn't have the right to regulate materials such as this. US Code Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter III, Part 1, Section 302a ("Devices which interfere with radio reception") gives the FCC power to regulate "governing the interference potential of devices which in their operation are capable of emitting radio frequency energy by radiation, conduction, or other means in sufficient degree to cause harmful interference to radio communications".
This paneling cannot emit radio freqency radiation.
For a similar reasion, the FCC itself states that the regulations you cited do not apply:
"This Part [Part 15] sets out the regulations under which an intentional, unintentional, or incidental radiator may be operated without an indivudial license" yadda yadda yadda. (You can read the regulations if you think I may be cutting out important stuff; I'm not).
All of the definitions of radiators include the provision that it must generate radio frequency energy. This paneling does not.
>>You can be sued for bringing large magnets into datacenters... Its all illegal
Illegal under what law? Do you have to destroy data?
Oh really? Seems to me that running the reel backwards for a couple seconds wouldn't be too hard, but then again, I've never seen an actual film projector.
However, I'd assume that they could at least stop it before the page and then start it again...
Which is why you have a PICTURE of a cell phone with the "universal no" symbol across it. No, several pictures, of several different models of cell phones/pagers...
>>since payphones have a monopoly inside a theater, they'd have to pull out $1.50 in quarters.
Every pay phone I've looked at had a sticker saying "911" was free... besides, they wouldn't insulate the lobby ($$$), so you could just go out there with your cell.
>>If a theater jams cell phone signals, I'm going to stop going to it.
And there are far more people who would make *sure* to go there -- even paying extra -- to more than balance you folks out.
>>They [don't] need to take extremist action. We're not little kids.
Uh, apparently, they do... unless you've seen something else that works...
>>"Well, we'll just raise the price of pay phones to $1.50."
Irrelevant. As cheap as they want to make it, it will still be more expensive than materials, and would likely be used only in the theatre part of the theatre (i.e., not the lobby). I don't know how many theatres have (pay) phones actually inside the screening areas, but I'd bet the number would be close to zero. So you'd have to leave the blocked area anyway to use a pay phone, at which point your cell would start up again. See? Wasn't that easy?
Theatres who install this (and all should) should listen to this problem. And solution:
If you are a doctor, drop off your cell/pager at the box office, where someone will watch it. If it goes off, they can page you. Temporary and fairly minor distraction, and if the theatre really wants to make people happy, they can rewind the movie a few seconds when the page is over.
I don't know if you're mocking the theory or mocking the people who are mocking the theory or what, but I'll address this anyway for those who don't know:
We did *NOT* evolve from monkeys.
I shall repeat that.
We *DID* not evolve from monkeys.
Let that sink in before continuing.
We share a common ancester, but the various human and monkey species split on the evolutionary ladder (another misnomer; it's not a ladder, it's a tree) some time ago, and continued to evolve separately.
Now, monkeys are our closest relative on the evolutionary tree, but to say we evolved from them is as crazy as to say I am the child of my brother.
(I'm almost positive the above is accurate. At least in general, this is how evolution works: you have a population of one species. They split into two groups incapable of mating, often by a geographic divide. The two groups devolop independently into separate species, but neither is the same as they were when they split. I am basing the previous information on the assumption that nothing extrodinary happened to keep monkeys from evolving while humans did. If this assumption is valid -- and the probability it is valid is stacked quite high -- then the above stands.)
They used to be pretty (read: really) finickey, but the only times I've had problems recently is with bills that look like they've been through the washing machine a few hundred too many times...
I was selling candy for a fundraiser earlier this year and one of my friends bought a candy bar with a $2 bill. It's just his personality too...
I later used it to do one of those big poles with lights that you hit something at the bottom with a big mallet to see how high you can make this thing on the pole go that you see at an amusement park... *That* was a great look on the guy's face...
I didn't know about the "Lockheed System" tidbit... that's rather amusing.
Anyway, that doesn't change his argument, because if the US had been using the metric system, Lockheed wouldn't have assumed that NASA was using the imperial system. (I prefer the term "imperial" system rather than the "english" system, because even England no longer uses it.)
memorize which color goes with which. Which, of course, is SO much easier than just reading the number.
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And it's also what Nikola Tesla did before Marcoli.
The USPTO initially held the position that Marconi's device used Tesla's patents ("Many of the claims are not patentable over Tesla patent numbers 645,576 and 649,621"). In 1904, the USPTO reversed itself, probably due to financial backing from JP Morgan, et. al. Tesla was broke and tried to sue in 1915 (Marconi won the Nobel Prize in 1911 for the radio), but couldn't push it. In 1943 the Supreme Court reversed the USPTO's decision, giving prescedence to the Tesla patents, probably largely because Marconi was suing the government for using radio without licensing it.
Some of many sources: http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_whoradio. html http://www.mecfilms.com/dna/indev/patent2.ht m http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bl rad io.htm (less detailed an account)
That's odd, because I can't remember any time that I've heard an explosion referred to in terms of a generic a-bomb. This is likely because a-bombs can vary in power. I've always heard "the atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima" or just "Hiroshima Bomb".
I don;t think it really matters that much, as long as no transmitting is being done from the US. If you're transmitting the data to Fooland to be broadcast, that's a no-no. (If you're transmitting instructions to load some song, that is pushing it, and I'd have to talk to a lawyer.)
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Another complaint about the '5 minute' life-or-death scenario: while I admit that 5 minutes can make a difference when an ambulance is racing to your house, at least around here, ambulance crews are not in the habit of going to movies on shift, at least around here. We're talking doctors, and it is a rare case -- a VERY rare case -- when a particular doctor getting to the hospital 5 minutes earlier would make a difference.
Another alternative to what I said before about leaving your pager at the desk: the theatre can install a minature network (802.11?) and give you an in-house pager in exchange for yours. Your's goes off, they'll trigger yours. 30 second or less response, especially if you automate the triggering.
>>those extra 5 minutes it takes for the front desk to get the doctor means everything to the patient. maybe one day when your life depends on a cell phone you'll reconsider.
5 minutes is a bit extreme. Let's see... at the local theatre I could probably start at the front desk, take a leisurely stroll to the projection booth, turn off the projector, saunter out into the screening area, and make an announcement that somebody better come get their pager in under 2 minutes. And picking up the desk phone and calling the usher in the projection booth and having him do it would be even quicker.
>>if the pager can get a signal, i don't see why the cell phone couldn't.
Intuition-based guess: Because cell phones need to be able to transmit. My guess is that when a pager transmitter sends out, it sends a MUCH stronger signal than when you have a cell and it's trying to transmit.
Second intuition-based guess: cell phones need continuous contact with the tower, pagers porbably don't.
>>you dont have that personal freedom moron. he has the right to FREE SPEACH... meaning he can talk whenever he wants whereever he f***ing wants to
You can make not using cell phones a condition of entering the theatre.
>>There are unconsitutional violations of this all over in society eg you cant say "bomb" in an airport.
Would you argue that not being able to say "bomb" in an airport is a bad thing? This is a case where the bad part -- mass panic -> lost customers -> lost revenue -- far outweighs the benefits of being able to say "bomb" in an airport (of which I can't think of any except if there is actually a bomb, in which case you can legally shout it...).
>>Futhermore im certain that this technology violates part 15 of the dcc rules of operation.
>>"(1) This device may not cause harmful interference and (2) this device must accept any interference recieved, including interference that may cause undesired operation"
How are you "certain"? Do you have a legal background? I don't, but I did some further digging: it appears that even if the FCC regulations you names would apply (they don't; I'll come back to that), the FCC doesn't have the right to regulate materials such as this. US Code Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter III, Part 1, Section 302a ("Devices which interfere with radio reception") gives the FCC power to regulate "governing the interference potential of devices which in their operation are capable of emitting radio frequency energy by radiation, conduction, or other means in sufficient degree to cause harmful interference to radio communications".
This paneling cannot emit radio freqency radiation.
For a similar reasion, the FCC itself states that the regulations you cited do not apply:
"This Part [Part 15] sets out the regulations under which an intentional, unintentional, or incidental radiator may be operated without an indivudial license" yadda yadda yadda. (You can read the regulations if you think I may be cutting out important stuff; I'm not).
All of the definitions of radiators include the provision that it must generate radio frequency energy. This paneling does not.
>>You can be sued for bringing large magnets into datacenters... Its all illegal
Illegal under what law? Do you have to destroy data?
OK, so maybe I used the wrong verb tense. I should have written "It seemed to me" rather than "Seems to me"...
Believe me, if someone comes out and says I'm wrong, if I am going just on a fairly weak assumption, I'll go with it.
Oh really? Seems to me that running the reel backwards for a couple seconds wouldn't be too hard, but then again, I've never seen an actual film projector.
However, I'd assume that they could at least stop it before the page and then start it again...
Which is why you have a PICTURE of a cell phone with the "universal no" symbol across it. No, several pictures, of several different models of cell phones/pagers...
>>since payphones have a monopoly inside a theater, they'd have to pull out $1.50 in quarters.
Every pay phone I've looked at had a sticker saying "911" was free... besides, they wouldn't insulate the lobby ($$$), so you could just go out there with your cell.
>>If a theater jams cell phone signals, I'm going to stop going to it.
And there are far more people who would make *sure* to go there -- even paying extra -- to more than balance you folks out.
>>They [don't] need to take extremist action. We're not little kids.
Uh, apparently, they do... unless you've seen something else that works...
>>"Well, we'll just raise the price of pay phones to $1.50."
Irrelevant. As cheap as they want to make it, it will still be more expensive than materials, and would likely be used only in the theatre part of the theatre (i.e., not the lobby). I don't know how many theatres have (pay) phones actually inside the screening areas, but I'd bet the number would be close to zero. So you'd have to leave the blocked area anyway to use a pay phone, at which point your cell would start up again. See? Wasn't that easy?
Theatres who install this (and all should) should listen to this problem. And solution:
If you are a doctor, drop off your cell/pager at the box office, where someone will watch it. If it goes off, they can page you. Temporary and fairly minor distraction, and if the theatre really wants to make people happy, they can rewind the movie a few seconds when the page is over.
Omission is saying nothing about the status of God. What the judge and you are (incorrectly) saying is that omission is the same as "under no god".
I don't know if you're mocking the theory or mocking the people who are mocking the theory or what, but I'll address this anyway for those who don't know:
We did *NOT* evolve from monkeys.
I shall repeat that.
We *DID* not evolve from monkeys.
Let that sink in before continuing.
We share a common ancester, but the various human and monkey species split on the evolutionary ladder (another misnomer; it's not a ladder, it's a tree) some time ago, and continued to evolve separately.
Now, monkeys are our closest relative on the evolutionary tree, but to say we evolved from them is as crazy as to say I am the child of my brother.
(I'm almost positive the above is accurate. At least in general, this is how evolution works: you have a population of one species. They split into two groups incapable of mating, often by a geographic divide. The two groups devolop independently into separate species, but neither is the same as they were when they split. I am basing the previous information on the assumption that nothing extrodinary happened to keep monkeys from evolving while humans did. If this assumption is valid -- and the probability it is valid is stacked quite high -- then the above stands.)
Standard works I guess. I'm used to "Imperial"
>>And what's with this "imperial"? What empire are we talking about?
The English empire, silly. The whole "The sun never sets on the British Empire" thing?
Hey, take it easy with the vending machine jokes... the vending machine companies made quite enough of them...
(Adapted from a Douglas Adams quote from The Salmon of Doubt about the Mac Portable)
They used to be pretty (read: really) finickey, but the only times I've had problems recently is with bills that look like they've been through the washing machine a few hundred too many times...
Actually, I believe Parker Brothers prints more money annually than the Federal Reserve...
I was selling candy for a fundraiser earlier this year and one of my friends bought a candy bar with a $2 bill. It's just his personality too...
I later used it to do one of those big poles with lights that you hit something at the bottom with a big mallet to see how high you can make this thing on the pole go that you see at an amusement park... *That* was a great look on the guy's face...
And because everyone carries all the equipment (UV lights with generator, etc.) to check bills everywhere, you never have to be swindled.
It would make more sense if they had security devices that are both extremely hard to copy AND easy to spot at a glance...
I didn't know about the "Lockheed System" tidbit... that's rather amusing.
Anyway, that doesn't change his argument, because if the US had been using the metric system, Lockheed wouldn't have assumed that NASA was using the imperial system. (I prefer the term "imperial" system rather than the "english" system, because even England no longer uses it.)
Of course, we can get used to size differences easier than vending machines can.
memorize which color goes with which. Which, of course, is SO much easier than just reading the number.
And it's also what Nikola Tesla did before Marcoli.
. htmlt ml rad io.htm (less detailed an account)
The USPTO initially held the position that Marconi's device used Tesla's patents ("Many of the claims are not patentable over Tesla patent numbers 645,576 and 649,621"). In 1904, the USPTO reversed itself, probably due to financial backing from JP Morgan, et. al. Tesla was broke and tried to sue in 1915 (Marconi won the Nobel Prize in 1911 for the radio), but couldn't push it. In 1943 the Supreme Court reversed the USPTO's decision, giving prescedence to the Tesla patents, probably largely because Marconi was suing the government for using radio without licensing it.
Some of many sources:
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_whoradio
http://www.mecfilms.com/dna/indev/patent2.h
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/b
That's odd, because I can't remember any time that I've heard an explosion referred to in terms of a generic a-bomb. This is likely because a-bombs can vary in power. I've always heard "the atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima" or just "Hiroshima Bomb".
I don;t think it really matters that much, as long as no transmitting is being done from the US. If you're transmitting the data to Fooland to be broadcast, that's a no-no. (If you're transmitting instructions to load some song, that is pushing it, and I'd have to talk to a lawyer.)
I'm kidding...