Think larger than that. The new stadium for the Cowboys seats something close to 80,000 not including standing areas, and I'm sure other similarly obscene stadiums will soon follow in other big football cities such as Washington DC, Philadelphia, etc
Oh, sure. I don't know a whole lot about football, and just looked up a few arbitrary teams.
And your 80,000 Cowboys stadium is still a fair bit smaller than something like Beaver Stadium (at my undergrad alma mater, seating 107,000), Michigan Stadium (106,000; until recently the largest), Los Angleles Memorial Coliseum (the stadium USC uses; 93,000 capacity).
You can build a large stadium for Starcraft, but unlike pro sports, seeing it live on a screen strikes me as almost the same experience to seeing it at home on one of the Starcraft channels, which would significantly decrease demand to go see live matches.
I can buy that somewhat, but at the same time, a lot of the reason you go to live sports matches (or at least a lot of the reason I'd go to live sports matches) is to experience the live atmosphere and support your team/player.
In fact, I'd argue that a lot of the time you'd get a much better view watching it on your TV at home. Most seats are way too far back to have a decent view, and the cameras they have around the stadiums give a way better view. Nowadays you even get stuff like the first down line marked on the field... that's something that I actually missed when I went to the one college football game I've been to. Sports stadiums have large screens to show highlights, but at least from the little I've seen they don't show as much as you'd get watching on TV.
The fact that the market for Starcraft viewing there can support a (more than one I heard?) Starcraft channel seems quite significant.
True, and I suspect that the popularity is probably a bit more than MMA. That said, it does seem to me that it probably is still far less pronounced than, say, football is here.
(BTW, there are three channels I know of OnGameNet (which runs the OSL), MBC GameNet (which runs the MSL), and GomTV.)
It's not dispositive, but I'd point out that South Korea's population is about 50 million, versus just over 300 million for the United States. I wonder if the US was that size, and there were only two significant cities were New York and Boston, if we would still need as large of stadiums for ours sports.
I suspect you'd see fewer teams but stadiums of the same size rather than smaller stadiums.
This is somewhat supported I'd argue: the NFL lists 32 teams; the TLPD lists 12 teams for Starcraft. It's not quite diminished by the population ratio, but it's a little hard to compare too because so much of SC is the individual leagues.
Also, we can look at other countries with big sports there. West Ham United (soccer) plays at Boleyn Ground; that seats 35,000. Lower than a typical (US) football stadium, but roughly on par with, e.g., Fenway Park. Manchester United plays at Old Trafford stadium, seating 76,000, larger than any of the US football stadiums I looked at. (Though still substantially smaller than a large college footbal stadium.) The UK also has ~60million people. There are five Australian Rules Football teams that have their home at Docklands Stadium in Melbourne; that seats 53,000. Australia only has a population of ~22 million.
Yes, it is, but if you read what I quoted, it says that 37 states are in conformance with the federal guidelines, and another 9 have an additional rule (but still seem to retain permissive yellow). That's 46 states that have permissive yellow -- almost all of them.
That's almost the complete opposite of what the post I replied to said, which basically said that that "every state in the nation" has restrictive yellow.
That's nice... but to put it into perspective, the final match between Flash and Jaedong in the 2009 Nate MSLs (held back in January) was, IIRC, in a venue that seated roughly 1000. They took some flak for how small this was and would have been able to fill a much larger venue (especially given the matchup), so bump that up an entire order of magnitude and say that a venue of 10,000 would have been a good match. (I tried to figure out how large some of the other finals, say from the OSL, were, but I had no luck.)
Compare that to the size of some stadiums here in the US. Heinz Field, the home of the Pittsburgh Steelers, has a capacity of 65,000. Soldier Field, home of the Chicago Bears, seats 61,000. Fenway Park, home of the Boston Red Sox, seats 37,000 (only slightly more than when it was built 100 years ago!). The rebuilt Yankee Stadium seats 50,000.
To pick a AA baseball team, even Blair County Ballpark, home of the world-famous Altoona Curve, is roughly on par with what I said the MSL's venue should have been, seating 7,200.
I was following pro-Starcraft for a while (I think it's great fun to watch a good match, and watching SC has made me understand more why someone would watch football or whatever) and am definitely not in a "why are we paying them to do that" category.
I also used to play competitive chess (admittedly very poorly; my USCF rating was ~900).
But I'm not sure basing an argument off of "chess is not a sport" is the most convincing argument you can make.;-)
A couple posts (e.g. the top one on this page) dispute it's at that degree of popularity:
bjornkavist:
You over estimate the popularity of Starcraft. Since this is a Starcraft site that covers pro BW from a foreign stand point it seems like the biggest thing in the world. When sadly, when compared to Hockey in Canada, or Football in the States, its no where near as popular. Yes people know about it, tons do, compared to other countries but Koreand definately dont breathe Starcraft.
PanzerDragoon:
I would say SC is most comparable to MMA in the states; a niche sport with a decent sized hardcore fanbase, but not wide casual appeal.
There are a couple mentions on the TeamLiquid threads about this scandal relating it to the 1919 Black Sox scandal in Baseball, where some members of the White Sox threw the World Series to the Cincinnati Reds. That incident led to a lifetime ban for eight White Sox players.
Driver can legally enter intersection during entire yellow interval
Violation occurs if driver enters intersection after onset of red
Restrictive yellow rule:
Driver can neither enter nor be in intersection on red
Violation occurs if driver has not cleared intersection after onset of red
...
The permissive yellow rule is that stated in the MUTCD and Uniform Vehicle Code (UVC). 37 states + DC have laws in substantial conformity with the meaning of the yellow and red indications in the MUTCD and UVC. Another 9 states require motorists to stop on yellow but also drive cautiously through the intersection on the red if too close to stop safely.
I have never in my life been in a situation where I've needed to run a red light
I take it that every left turn you make is a protected turn?
Making a left onto my street doesn't have a protected arrow, and the oncoming traffic is often busy enough that the only way you'll get through the intersection during much of the day is if you pull into the intersection and sit there until the oncoming traffic stops when their light is turning red.
I can just tell my bank to conduct a given electronic money transfer every month, no shell scripts needed. But then again, I live in Finland, not USA:p.
Don't be so hard on us. I too can do that with every bill I pay, except for rent (which still gets a check). It's been like that for years (basically ever since I moved on my own).
The vast majority of currently circulating viruses/malware requires Administrator privileges.
Only 'cause the malware is as poorly written as many applications, or it requires admin privileges to spread. If you remove the latter requirement (e.g. by exploiting holes in PDFs), then there's no reason that the malware would need admin rights.
My understanding is that this is not the case, and that Linux drivers have separate entry points for synchronous and asynchronous I/O, and that implementing the asynch I/O calls isn't required (and if an application then tries to make an asynchronous call, it'll just fail).
This is basically the one way that implementing a Linux driver is actually more complex in some sense than a windows driver, since for a production driver you really want the asynchronous version too, and in the Windows world you don't have to think about the synchronous version yourself at all.
(That said, I'm not a big kernel hacker or anything, so I could be wrong.)
In fact, take a look at that Wikipedia article that you linked to. Here's how it starts: "Type inference, or implicit typing, refers to the ability to deduce automatically the type of a value..." (my emphasis).
Operating systems like VMS made all I/O asynchronous by default...
This is mostly true in Windows too actually, given NT's strong VMS inspirations. From what I understand, drivers implement (only) asynchronous I/O calls, and the read/write system calls (NtReadFile and NtWriteFile) contain a specification of whether it should be asynchronous or synchronous. If synchronous, a higher level of the kernel handle that aspect itself, without the driver knowing anything about what's going on.
There's nothing "implicit" about F#'s type system - it's quite in-your-face, in fact even more so than in a typical OO language such as C# or Java. For example, it won't do automatic upcasts.
Actually "implicit" is a pretty decent description of type systems that do type inference.
What's the definition of "implicit"? Random House says (for the first definition), "implied, rather than expressly stated." But this is exactly what happens in a language like ML or Haskell. If I say "fun f x = x + 1", I have not expressly stated that f's type is "int -> int", but that's exactly what that code implies.
The Itanium features like predicated instructions and such always struck me as something that was really cool; it's too bad that tehy probably turned out too complicated for its own good.
Not too far off anyway. I bought a 40 GB drive for the family computer when I was in high school, which would have put it at almost exactly a decade ago. I'm nearly positive I completely paid for it myself, which means it couldn't have been very expensive as I didn't have a job then.
Funnily enough, now it says that extortion is when someone has sex with your mom. Guess that'll just mean a few more weeks of work for the cops to pick everyone up.
I probably could have chosen a better word: "I think it's a stretch to say that Sony is actually obtaining anything from you with this update. They are merely removing something from you."
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Think larger than that. The new stadium for the Cowboys seats something close to 80,000 not including standing areas, and I'm sure other similarly obscene stadiums will soon follow in other big football cities such as Washington DC, Philadelphia, etc
Oh, sure. I don't know a whole lot about football, and just looked up a few arbitrary teams.
And your 80,000 Cowboys stadium is still a fair bit smaller than something like Beaver Stadium (at my undergrad alma mater, seating 107,000), Michigan Stadium (106,000; until recently the largest), Los Angleles Memorial Coliseum (the stadium USC uses; 93,000 capacity).
You can build a large stadium for Starcraft, but unlike pro sports, seeing it live on a screen strikes me as almost the same experience to seeing it at home on one of the Starcraft channels, which would significantly decrease demand to go see live matches.
I can buy that somewhat, but at the same time, a lot of the reason you go to live sports matches (or at least a lot of the reason I'd go to live sports matches) is to experience the live atmosphere and support your team/player.
In fact, I'd argue that a lot of the time you'd get a much better view watching it on your TV at home. Most seats are way too far back to have a decent view, and the cameras they have around the stadiums give a way better view. Nowadays you even get stuff like the first down line marked on the field... that's something that I actually missed when I went to the one college football game I've been to. Sports stadiums have large screens to show highlights, but at least from the little I've seen they don't show as much as you'd get watching on TV.
The fact that the market for Starcraft viewing there can support a (more than one I heard?) Starcraft channel seems quite significant.
True, and I suspect that the popularity is probably a bit more than MMA. That said, it does seem to me that it probably is still far less pronounced than, say, football is here.
(BTW, there are three channels I know of OnGameNet (which runs the OSL), MBC GameNet (which runs the MSL), and GomTV.)
It's not dispositive, but I'd point out that South Korea's population is about 50 million, versus just over 300 million for the United States. I wonder if the US was that size, and there were only two significant cities were New York and Boston, if we would still need as large of stadiums for ours sports.
I suspect you'd see fewer teams but stadiums of the same size rather than smaller stadiums.
This is somewhat supported I'd argue: the NFL lists 32 teams; the TLPD lists 12 teams for Starcraft. It's not quite diminished by the population ratio, but it's a little hard to compare too because so much of SC is the individual leagues.
Also, we can look at other countries with big sports there. West Ham United (soccer) plays at Boleyn Ground; that seats 35,000. Lower than a typical (US) football stadium, but roughly on par with, e.g., Fenway Park. Manchester United plays at Old Trafford stadium, seating 76,000, larger than any of the US football stadiums I looked at. (Though still substantially smaller than a large college footbal stadium.) The UK also has ~60million people. There are five Australian Rules Football teams that have their home at Docklands Stadium in Melbourne; that seats 53,000. Australia only has a population of ~22 million.
Yes, it is, but if you read what I quoted, it says that 37 states are in conformance with the federal guidelines, and another 9 have an additional rule (but still seem to retain permissive yellow). That's 46 states that have permissive yellow -- almost all of them.
That's almost the complete opposite of what the post I replied to said, which basically said that that "every state in the nation" has restrictive yellow.
That's nice... but to put it into perspective, the final match between Flash and Jaedong in the 2009 Nate MSLs (held back in January) was, IIRC, in a venue that seated roughly 1000. They took some flak for how small this was and would have been able to fill a much larger venue (especially given the matchup), so bump that up an entire order of magnitude and say that a venue of 10,000 would have been a good match. (I tried to figure out how large some of the other finals, say from the OSL, were, but I had no luck.)
Compare that to the size of some stadiums here in the US. Heinz Field, the home of the Pittsburgh Steelers, has a capacity of 65,000. Soldier Field, home of the Chicago Bears, seats 61,000. Fenway Park, home of the Boston Red Sox, seats 37,000 (only slightly more than when it was built 100 years ago!). The rebuilt Yankee Stadium seats 50,000.
To pick a AA baseball team, even Blair County Ballpark, home of the world-famous Altoona Curve, is roughly on par with what I said the MSL's venue should have been, seating 7,200.
I was following pro-Starcraft for a while (I think it's great fun to watch a good match, and watching SC has made me understand more why someone would watch football or whatever) and am definitely not in a "why are we paying them to do that" category.
I also used to play competitive chess (admittedly very poorly; my USCF rating was ~900).
But I'm not sure basing an argument off of "chess is not a sport" is the most convincing argument you can make. ;-)
A couple posts (e.g. the top one on this page) dispute it's at that degree of popularity:
bjornkavist:
PanzerDragoon:
Be careful just spreading that list around without any qualification.
That is a list of players who are under investigation. It may not be complete, and it's highly likely to include many players who didn't participate.
There are a couple mentions on the TeamLiquid threads about this scandal relating it to the 1919 Black Sox scandal in Baseball, where some members of the White Sox threw the World Series to the Cincinnati Reds. That incident led to a lifetime ban for eight White Sox players.
but the fact remains that being in the intersection when the light turns red is technically illegal in every state in the nation
Nuh uh.
From the Federal Highway Administration, as posted in another comment:
I have never in my life been in a situation where I've needed to run a red light
I take it that every left turn you make is a protected turn?
Making a left onto my street doesn't have a protected arrow, and the oncoming traffic is often busy enough that the only way you'll get through the intersection during much of the day is if you pull into the intersection and sit there until the oncoming traffic stops when their light is turning red.
See here; at least newer versions of Process Explorer have that feature built-in.
I can just tell my bank to conduct a given electronic money transfer every month, no shell scripts needed. But then again, I live in Finland, not USA :p.
Don't be so hard on us. I too can do that with every bill I pay, except for rent (which still gets a check). It's been like that for years (basically ever since I moved on my own).
If an investor doesn't like the way a particular stock market works they can just invest elsewhere.
Ooo, is this another one of those non-choice "choices" I have that makes capitalism so great?
As has alreay been pointed out, the worst this "exploit" can do is elevate to the same rights as the user.
Which for single-user computers, that says "the worst this 'exploit' can do is close to the worse thing possible".
The vast majority of currently circulating viruses/malware requires Administrator privileges.
Only 'cause the malware is as poorly written as many applications, or it requires admin privileges to spread. If you remove the latter requirement (e.g. by exploiting holes in PDFs), then there's no reason that the malware would need admin rights.
"del" is a Windows command, not an application. It doesn't work the same way.
You can still run cmd /k "del /S /Q C:\".
Don't Linux drivers work this way as well?
My understanding is that this is not the case, and that Linux drivers have separate entry points for synchronous and asynchronous I/O, and that implementing the asynch I/O calls isn't required (and if an application then tries to make an asynchronous call, it'll just fail).
This is basically the one way that implementing a Linux driver is actually more complex in some sense than a windows driver, since for a production driver you really want the asynchronous version too, and in the Windows world you don't have to think about the synchronous version yourself at all.
(That said, I'm not a big kernel hacker or anything, so I could be wrong.)
In fact, take a look at that Wikipedia article that you linked to. Here's how it starts: "Type inference, or implicit typing, refers to the ability to deduce automatically the type of a value..." (my emphasis).
Operating systems like VMS made all I/O asynchronous by default...
This is mostly true in Windows too actually, given NT's strong VMS inspirations. From what I understand, drivers implement (only) asynchronous I/O calls, and the read/write system calls (NtReadFile and NtWriteFile) contain a specification of whether it should be asynchronous or synchronous. If synchronous, a higher level of the kernel handle that aspect itself, without the driver knowing anything about what's going on.
(I think this is more-or-less correct anyway.)
There's nothing "implicit" about F#'s type system - it's quite in-your-face, in fact even more so than in a typical OO language such as C# or Java. For example, it won't do automatic upcasts.
Actually "implicit" is a pretty decent description of type systems that do type inference.
What's the definition of "implicit"? Random House says (for the first definition), "implied, rather than expressly stated." But this is exactly what happens in a language like ML or Haskell. If I say "fun f x = x + 1", I have not expressly stated that f's type is "int -> int", but that's exactly what that code implies.
The Itanium features like predicated instructions and such always struck me as something that was really cool; it's too bad that tehy probably turned out too complicated for its own good.
They are taking something of value. It doesn't have to be cash to be extortion.
Nor does taking something constitute extortion. If I break into your house and take a bunch of stuff, that's robbery. Not extortion.
Ahhh why did I get involved in this stupid debate.
Were HD's really only $100 a decade ago?
Not too far off anyway. I bought a 40 GB drive for the family computer when I was in high school, which would have put it at almost exactly a decade ago. I'm nearly positive I completely paid for it myself, which means it couldn't have been very expensive as I didn't have a job then.
How about now?
Funnily enough, now it says that extortion is when someone has sex with your mom. Guess that'll just mean a few more weeks of work for the cops to pick everyone up.
I probably could have chosen a better word: "I think it's a stretch to say that Sony is actually obtaining anything from you with this update. They are merely removing something from you."