I stand corrected... You are right about the abbreviation. It's what I was told once. Indeed it is not a literal translation, but neither is the French one: "ordinateur (electronique)". EDV-Gerät and ordinateur electronique, however, cover the purpose of the machine a lot better than "computer".
You must be kidding, right? Frisian is spoken in Friesland, not in Groningen!
The fact that English and Dutch are related (not descended of the same languages), is not a reason to just neglect Dutch and start using English words for everything. Language is part of a culture and a culture is what makes a people unique: something worth preserving!
But what I am trying to say it that you should only use foreign word (not matter whether they originate from a related language or not) if it is necessary (there is no equivalent) or better (the native word(s) is (are) too complex/long, like the EDV example) to do so.
In the Netherlands a lot of people are blindly using English words (with a lousy pronunciation, most often), simple because it is 'heavy', 'cool', 'hot', 'vet', 'kicken' or whatever buzz word they have to show their enthousiasm about those words.
The only decent education in my own language I had was (and most children in this country get is) in primary school. In secondary education the focus is on reading books and explaining what the author meant by his book. I think I had my last Dutch grammar lesson in the first or second year of secondary education....and getting back to the original subject... The French have good reason to protect their language from poisoning by foreign languages!
And if you really think we should exchange more words, I suggest the English/Americans should adopt the Dutch word "gezellig", because they do'n have a decent equivalent. No, the word you will find in the dictionary doesn't cover its meaning.;-)
No(n)! French culture isn't dead, Anglo-American culture is dominating. I am Dutch and hardly speak any French, and often think that the French are trying a bit too hard, but it is not a bad thing to try and preserve a language and culture.
I wish the Dutch people were more careful about their own language, however most people can't write more than 5 sentences without making a lot of errors.
Ok, Dutch language has always been influenced by a lot of other languages (Latin, German, French, Indonesian, Spanish, English, etc.) due to the trading culture and foreign occupation throughout history. It is OK to use words from a foreign language if you don't have any word for it in your own language, or if the foreign word is more appropriate, but what is wrong with using a perfectly normal word from your language if there is one?
The French call a computer an 'ordinateur'. The Germans sometimes call it an 'EDV' (Elektronische DatenanlagenVerarbeitungsmachine), in which case, I must admit, 'computer' or 'komputer' is a lot easier. The South Africans call it a 'rekenaar', which is a nice literal translation of the word 'computer' and would fit nicely in the Dutch language, too, but, Dutch peope are used to screw up our own language with imported words and use the English one for a lot of things we have perfect Dutch words for:
computer: rekenaar; meeting: bijeenkomst/vergadering; party: feest of partij(tje); organizer: (elektronische) agenda; 'inloggen' (log in): aanmelden;...going through the average business report you can find a lot more examples...
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You mean you don't have slavery anymore? Wow! Well, at least you still have the death penalty!
Moreover, the US has supported Saddam Hussein for many years when they needed him, even though he was already terrorizing his people. Now that they don't need him anymore, they say he is evil and try to get rid of him. He's got weapons of mass destruction, they say. The US government can know, because they sold them to him.
Ah, but Bush is going to end the killing of innocent people and torturing, right? Is he finally going to do something about the death penalty is his own country? And what about the people from Afganistan they keep on Cuba? Are they being treated well? Guess not.
And what's the next target? The US simply needs to have an enemy. My guess is that North Korea will be next, but perhaps China can prevent that. Let's hope so and let's hope that that can be resolved more peacefully.
But who put the bad guy in place? And who gave him the so called weapons of mass destruction? Yeah, the Bush administration still has the receipts and a copy of the invoices...
War indeed is BAD! The US is just cleaning up the mess THEY made in order to gain more control of the region.
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> [...] some of us went back to /bin/vi and troff!!!
What's wrong with that?...or like the huge cockroach in MiB:
"Your proposal is acceptable!"
I stand corrected... You are right about the abbreviation. It's what I was told once. Indeed it is not a literal translation, but neither is the French one: "ordinateur (electronique)". EDV-Gerät and ordinateur electronique, however, cover the purpose of the machine a lot better than "computer".
You must be kidding, right? Frisian is spoken in Friesland, not in Groningen! The fact that English and Dutch are related (not descended of the same languages), is not a reason to just neglect Dutch and start using English words for everything. Language is part of a culture and a culture is what makes a people unique: something worth preserving! But what I am trying to say it that you should only use foreign word (not matter whether they originate from a related language or not) if it is necessary (there is no equivalent) or better (the native word(s) is (are) too complex/long, like the EDV example) to do so. In the Netherlands a lot of people are blindly using English words (with a lousy pronunciation, most often), simple because it is 'heavy', 'cool', 'hot', 'vet', 'kicken' or whatever buzz word they have to show their enthousiasm about those words. The only decent education in my own language I had was (and most children in this country get is) in primary school. In secondary education the focus is on reading books and explaining what the author meant by his book. I think I had my last Dutch grammar lesson in the first or second year of secondary education. ...and getting back to the original subject... The French have good reason to protect their language from poisoning by foreign languages!
And if you really think we should exchange more words, I suggest the English/Americans should adopt the Dutch word "gezellig", because they do'n have a decent equivalent. No, the word you will find in the dictionary doesn't cover its meaning. ;-)
Still more proof that french culture is dead.
...going through the average business report you can find a lot more examples...
No(n)! French culture isn't dead, Anglo-American culture is dominating. I am Dutch and hardly speak any French, and often think that the French are trying a bit too hard, but it is not a bad thing to try and preserve a language and culture.
I wish the Dutch people were more careful about their own language, however most people can't write more than 5 sentences without making a lot of errors.
Ok, Dutch language has always been influenced by a lot of other languages (Latin, German, French, Indonesian, Spanish, English, etc.) due to the trading culture and foreign occupation throughout history. It is OK to use words from a foreign language if you don't have any word for it in your own language, or if the foreign word is more appropriate, but what is wrong with using a perfectly normal word from your language if there is one?
The French call a computer an 'ordinateur'. The Germans sometimes call it an 'EDV' (Elektronische DatenanlagenVerarbeitungsmachine), in which case, I must admit, 'computer' or 'komputer' is a lot easier. The South Africans call it a 'rekenaar', which is a nice literal translation of the word 'computer' and would fit nicely in the Dutch language, too, but, Dutch peope are used to screw up our own language with imported words and use the English one for a lot of things we have perfect Dutch words for:
computer: rekenaar;
meeting: bijeenkomst/vergadering;
party: feest of partij(tje);
organizer: (elektronische) agenda;
'inloggen' (log in): aanmelden;
You mean you don't have slavery anymore? Wow! Well, at least you still have the death penalty!
I'm not saying Bush was in power in those days. I'm saying that the US is a (major) part of the problem that the guy is there!
Moreover, the US has supported Saddam Hussein for many years when they needed him, even though he was already terrorizing his people. Now that they don't need him anymore, they say he is evil and try to get rid of him. He's got weapons of mass destruction, they say. The US government can know, because they sold them to him. Ah, but Bush is going to end the killing of innocent people and torturing, right? Is he finally going to do something about the death penalty is his own country? And what about the people from Afganistan they keep on Cuba? Are they being treated well? Guess not. And what's the next target? The US simply needs to have an enemy. My guess is that North Korea will be next, but perhaps China can prevent that. Let's hope so and let's hope that that can be resolved more peacefully.
But who put the bad guy in place? And who gave him the so called weapons of mass destruction? Yeah, the Bush administration still has the receipts and a copy of the invoices...
War indeed is BAD! The US is just cleaning up the mess THEY made in order to gain more control of the region.
LOL!
I assume you're kidding, right?