I thought that RedHat was pushing their Tux webserver these days? Last I knew they were making all kinds of crazy claims about it being better, stronger and faster than Apache. Why would they support Apache then?
"Can't they just MAKE apache on a 64 bit computer?
How much of the code is cpu-dependant!?"
OK, IANADeveloper - in fact, I'm not even the novice programmer I once was so this may be way off-base, but it seems to me that that would require someone having previously written the Makefiles and/or configure files so that Make would know what it needs to do in order to compile and run on that platform. I would think that that's what's being done here.
If I'm wrong, I welcome corrections - this is something I would like to understand better (Plus the fact that I aspire to be a programmer again at some point).
"Organize, resist, refuse! I paid $14 the other day for an item at Safeway that would have cost me $5 if they could have tracked it. Hopefully, I'll be able to continue to afford the fight."
OK, I agree with your thought - You seem to be using the "refuse" method in this case - I prefer "organize." What I do, and I invite you and all others reading this to join in - is share a card. I started one of those "club cards" with Safeway about a year ago and have since shared it with as many people as possible.
To my knowledge there are probably 12 or so households using this card, and probably more since many of my firends who use it also encourage others to share it. The wya I see it, this eliminates the tracking element of the card while avoiding the punishment of higher prices for not using the card.
So, I invite you and any other Slashdotters who shop at Safeway to use my card. Obviously they aren't going to give us enough copies of the same card to each carry one, so you need to enter it by phone number. The number I use is: 510-843-7226 It's easily remembered since it spells out 510 THE SCAM.
This is not my phone number, last I checked it was an unused number, but either way, I'd appreciate it if the current owners of the number didn't receive any silly prank phone calls as a result of this posting.
may not use "call-detail," such as when, where, to whom, or how often calls are made, to sell services unless customers give express permission
may not share call-detail information with other companies without permission
must allow customers to "opt out" -- take their names and numbers off lists the company shares with other companies
must make it easy for customers to opt out, using e-mail, a toll-free number or postage-paid return card
Jeez! This is not some extreme set of rules - this is barely within what I'd call reasonable rights for the consumers. They can't share call details without permission? They have to let people opt out? Come on now, the details of who you call is private information. By what right does Verizon or any company get to share this very personal information without permission? And on top of that they're fighting to keep people from being able to opt out? In my mind, this sort of thing should be purely opt in - and I mean really opt in - not the type where the option is already selected for you unless you find it and deselect it.
OK, OK, I'm ranting. This kind of shit pisses me off. Sorry about that.
>Their other divisions are so profitable, that they can afford >to try to break into a whole lot of markets without it >affecting their bottom line too negatively.
Umm... Perhaps you meant to say 'their Windows and Office divisions are so profitable'?
Err right. That might be true in the/. Community, but the reality is that the vast majority of people either really don't care. Outside of Slashot, the real world isn't exactly vindictive against MS. Not everybody's running around being masochistic just for the sake not using MS stuff. "I spent 3 weeks making my Linux box do whatever my Windows box was already doing!" Whatever.
Actually, if you'd read the article, you'd have seen that the advantage Opera has in not being a MS product is that the MS browser will only run on a phone that has an MS operating system - and not many cell phone manufacturers are interested in going for that option at this point.
It's a pity, really. I think Opera deserves more attention on/. than Mozilla as an MS browser alternative. Zealousy abounds I guess. I say that because the only ding I can see against Opera is that it's Ad-supported. I'd care except they show cartoons in that banner window. Heh.
Why exactly does Opera deserve more attention than Mozilla? Having only one ding against it doesn't make it better unless you're saying that Mozilla has more dings against it. And the way I see it, Mozilla has several advantages over Opera:
It's Open Source, so it's not just a browser, it's the basis of several different browsers
It's free - without ads (If I want cartoons, I'd rather go someplace like OddTodd where I choose what to watch and when I'm going to watch it)
It's freely distributable so I can give a copy to my friends without worrying about legality
Don't forget the fact that their mobile operating system's name was best shortened to WinCE.
Reminds me a bit of the horrible sales Chevrolet saw in Spanish speaking countries for their 'No va' ('Doesn't go' for those who know even less Spanish than me).
I guess Gecko is too big to fit a Mozilla based browser into a cell phone, but does anyone know if there are any efforts in the works to get an open source browser that could work in this application?
Yep, I misread. Realized it about 10 minutes after posting.
I would have dropped point #1 and said slightly different stuff in point #2 if I'd read it correctly, but other than that I still agree with myself on the rest.
The commercial didn't remotely resemble your description.
The only pretension here is yours. There was no namedropping in the commercial, but your first paragraph sure seemed full of it (pun intended).
Just because you don't understand something (because you haven't bothered to try) doesn't mean it's an attempt at individuality.
These people putting their time and money into supporting something they like. Is that too superior for you? Would the world be a better place if everyone took your attitude and just sat back and criticized everyone else if they tried to do something that challenged their tiny little worldview?
Did it ever enter your mind that there are people out there who do things for reasons other than conformity or rebellion? No? Don't worry, in about 10 years, when you hit 25 or so you'll grow out of that attitude.
Not even going to address the Windows/Linux part of your post - it's clear enough that it's nothing but a troll that refutation is unnecessary.
From my experience the only hard part with Debian is the install. Since he's using Debian, he must be past that. From here on it's smooth sailing.
>apt-get works very nice on my redhat.
Yep, but how many packages are available for it? Last time I checked in over at freshrpms.net I think there were somewhere around 150 packages available for RH8.0. That's not qutie as many as I think you'll find available for Debian.
I absolutely hate the mentality that everything has to have its own page. It leads to things like sites where articles are split into pages of 50 words apiece. I've got a scrollbar -- let me use it.
No, that's a somewhat similar effect caused by something completely different - the desire to get as many pageloads - and banner-loads - as possible out of each tiny bit of content. It's the web equivalent of magazine articles that get continued twice in different parts of the magazine just for the sake of making you turn pages more often.
My understanding was that he was saying (at least in reference to gui-based, user apps) programs should remain running while in use - while they have a window open - when the final (or maybe in some cases, the main or control) window closes, the application quits.
But then again, he uses IE as an example of a program that has gotten rid of the evil quit option, and AFAIK, I don't think IE really follows this principal - it never really does quit: if Windows is running, then IE is too. But at least it pretends to quit when you close the last window.
Yes we do, but for starters a computer is a tool. You tell the computer what to do, the computer does not tell you. Sure we have autosave, but any sensible application auto-saves to a different filename so that if you decide to abandon your changes, you can just quit, not save and revert back to your original format. If you quit a document, you'd still have to agree. What happens when you do want to commit those changes to your file but you don't want to quit? You have to "save".
Easily solved. Save changes along with a nice generous undo buffer, including pointers which are set up so that the app knows where the save points and close (document) points are. When you quit a document, if you do not agree to save changes, the document reverts to the state it was in when you opened it. one advantage to this way of handling it is that it also allows more forgiveness to user error - if you quit a document and agree to save your changes when you meant to cancel them, you can still revert to the last or any document close point or you can just step bnackwards through your undo buffer to try to find the document state that you want to work from.
I didn't see it here on Slashdot, but here's the Byte.com article that was probably the basis of the/. article.
Ultra-basic summary:
There was no particular tuning of either OS, the daemons were set up equivalently on each OS using precompiled binaries, and Linux had KDE loaded and running in order to make a fair comparison. Linux came out marginally faster.
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Excellent. I'll be putting up a journal entry about this in the next day or two (time allowing). I will put a link in my sig when it's up.
This is very nifty, I really like the idea of getting this going on a larger scale.
Russ
Very well put, thank you. I've tried to explain this very thing to people many times and have never managed to make it so clear or so simple.
I'll be stealing whatever parts of this I can manage to remember the next time I'm in one of those conversations.
Russ
I thought that RedHat was pushing their Tux webserver these days? Last I knew they were making all kinds of crazy claims about it being better, stronger and faster than Apache. Why would they support Apache then?
Is it just to get hold of some of AMD's cash?
"Can't they just MAKE apache on a 64 bit computer?
How much of the code is cpu-dependant!?"
OK, IANADeveloper - in fact, I'm not even the novice programmer I once was so this may be way off-base, but it seems to me that that would require someone having previously written the Makefiles and/or configure files so that Make would know what it needs to do in order to compile and run on that platform. I would think that that's what's being done here.
If I'm wrong, I welcome corrections - this is something I would like to understand better (Plus the fact that I aspire to be a programmer again at some point).
"Organize, resist, refuse! I paid $14 the other day for an item at Safeway that would have cost me $5 if they could have tracked it. Hopefully, I'll be able to continue to afford the fight."
OK, I agree with your thought - You seem to be using the "refuse" method in this case - I prefer "organize." What I do, and I invite you and all others reading this to join in - is share a card. I started one of those "club cards" with Safeway about a year ago and have since shared it with as many people as possible.
To my knowledge there are probably 12 or so households using this card, and probably more since many of my firends who use it also encourage others to share it. The wya I see it, this eliminates the tracking element of the card while avoiding the punishment of higher prices for not using the card.
So, I invite you and any other Slashdotters who shop at Safeway to use my card. Obviously they aren't going to give us enough copies of the same card to each carry one, so you need to enter it by phone number. The number I use is: 510-843-7226
It's easily remembered since it spells out 510 THE SCAM.
This is not my phone number, last I checked it was an unused number, but either way, I'd appreciate it if the current owners of the number didn't receive any silly prank phone calls as a result of this posting.
Thanks,
Russ
Jeez! This is not some extreme set of rules - this is barely within what I'd call reasonable rights for the consumers. They can't share call details without permission? They have to let people opt out? Come on now, the details of who you call is private information. By what right does Verizon or any company get to share this very personal information without permission? And on top of that they're fighting to keep people from being able to opt out? In my mind, this sort of thing should be purely opt in - and I mean really opt in - not the type where the option is already selected for you unless you find it and deselect it.
OK, OK, I'm ranting. This kind of shit pisses me off. Sorry about that.
>Their other divisions are so profitable, that they can afford
>to try to break into a whole lot of markets without it
>affecting their bottom line too negatively.
Umm... Perhaps you meant to say 'their Windows and Office divisions are so profitable'?
It must be true! A good friend of mine's frined worked at GM and-- Shit! Gotta go - I think my doberman has got something caught in his throat!
Actually, if you'd read the article, you'd have seen that the advantage Opera has in not being a MS product is that the MS browser will only run on a phone that has an MS operating system - and not many cell phone manufacturers are interested in going for that option at this point.
Why exactly does Opera deserve more attention than Mozilla? Having only one ding against it doesn't make it better unless you're saying that Mozilla has more dings against it. And the way I see it, Mozilla has several advantages over Opera:
Don't forget the fact that their mobile operating system's name was best shortened to WinCE.
Reminds me a bit of the horrible sales Chevrolet saw in Spanish speaking countries for their 'No va' ('Doesn't go' for those who know even less Spanish than me).
Good call. Forgot about those.
Only thing is, I bet the cell phone providers and manufacturers are getting paid to make sure that we can start viewing web ads on these phones ASAP.
Or is that just my paranoia talking?
I guess Gecko is too big to fit a Mozilla based browser into a cell phone, but does anyone know if there are any efforts in the works to get an open source browser that could work in this application?
Yep, I misread. Realized it about 10 minutes after posting.
I would have dropped point #1 and said slightly different stuff in point #2 if I'd read it correctly, but other than that I still agree with myself on the rest.
Farscape is/was a great show.
I mean think about it, Enterprise gets funding and Farscape is a far better show (I know, I know, Farscape doesn't have detox gel)
You're not very good at making resumes are you?
You don't put "Familiarity with Open Office". You put "Familiarity with a variety of Office Productivity applications"
Or something like that. OK, so I'm not all that good at making resumes either - but hopefully you get the idea.
Russ
You put movies with sound up on your site and someone links to it on Slashdot? The server goes down hard!
Actually, I'm impressed - I'm downloading one of the mpegs right now and getting it at a pretty good speed.
Russ
>A newbie using Debian ? Poor you.
From my experience the only hard part with Debian is the install. Since he's using Debian, he must be past that. From here on it's smooth sailing.
>apt-get works very nice on my redhat.
Yep, but how many packages are available for it? Last time I checked in over at freshrpms.net I think there were somewhere around 150 packages available for RH8.0. That's not qutie as many as I think you'll find available for Debian.
ZDNet realeased an article titled Windows XP Media Center: Who needs it? Not me back when the first of the XP Media Center devices/PCs turned up: the HP Media Center PC.
The title of the article sums it all up nicely in my book.
Russ
I'm pretty sure that SiSoft Sandra can do it. Get the Standard version or pay for the Pro. Last time I checked the "Advanced" version was adware.
Russ
Russ
It had better, with my record at LAN parties!
My understanding was that he was saying (at least in reference to gui-based, user apps) programs should remain running while in use - while they have a window open - when the final (or maybe in some cases, the main or control) window closes, the application quits.
But then again, he uses IE as an example of a program that has gotten rid of the evil quit option, and AFAIK, I don't think IE really follows this principal - it never really does quit: if Windows is running, then IE is too. But at least it pretends to quit when you close the last window.
Russ
Russ
I didn't see it here on Slashdot, but here's the Byte.com article that was probably the basis of the /. article.
Ultra-basic summary:
There was no particular tuning of either OS, the daemons were set up equivalently on each OS using precompiled binaries, and Linux had KDE loaded and running in order to make a fair comparison. Linux came out marginally faster.
Russ