than a cheap discrete graphics + cpu? The trouble I had with APUs is that for another $20 bucks you could get a regular CPU + a cheap graphics card and get between 30-50% better performance. If you were willing to gamble on a used GPU you could often do a hell of a lot better (but you might get something that had the oven trick done to it). The only folks I saw using APUs were guys in Latin America where strict import rules made it hard to get discrete graphics.
Now, give me 60 fps at 1080p medium for current gen and make it cheap for OEMs and you might have something. Give me a box like that for $400 with a nice profit margin for the OEM and we'll talk. But until then I'll scrounge up that extra $20 and put together a box with better specs.
when we think discrimination we just think: "I hate X because they are X and because I hate X I will do bad things to X".
But I honestly don't know if the law takes feelings into account like we do. E.g. if under the law discrimination is discrimination regardless of why you're discriminating. I'm guessing they can easily show that the company Disney outsourced too gives preferential treatment to Indians here on work visas. If they're giving preferential treatment to one nationality (Indians) how is that not discrimination? Not that I understand the actual written law enough to say.
specifically for an H1-B. And it'll be child's play to prove that it was all Indians hired. I guess motive might be a factor though. The motive is paying lower wages. But I've also heard tell of the guys that run the H1-B factories here in the states that they don't like Americans because they're so lazy. So again, not so far fetched.
BTW, where the hell is Trump in all this? He finished the Carrier deal (for better or worse). I want him on this one. He's got a pretty clear cut case of visa abuse here. Time to put up or shut up.
it's doing exactly what it's suppose to do: drive down American wages. That's like saying an Iron Maiden is a deeply flawed torture device because, gosh, somebody could get hurt.
I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them killing each other for a share.
Or in case that wasn't blunt enough for you, the real villains are humans. And they're real, very, very real. Saying nonsense like you just did to try and diminish their evil works though. Again, nice straw man. Nice job trying to divert the argument away from the bad stuff Uber's doing and why it's bad. You take debate lessons from Karl Rove or somethin'?
not in this context anyway. Google it. Go on. I'll wait.
And you're using a classic Karl Rove technique (whatever you are accuse the other side of being). Are you a paid professional troll (Russian perhaps)? If not then one of them got to you and you're parroting their arguments without realizing it.
without automation. They did it with shopper "loyalty" cards. They started with discounts, and then the discounts became part of the core price. I don't make enough money to take a 20% hit to my grocery bill in exchange for privacy. Most Americans don't.
If you want real freedom you've got to be willing to let the other guy have some money, but as my right wing friends like to point out, who's gonna pay for that?
as cable TV. Meanwhile as my options to watch online content increase so does the cable Internet bill needed to support them. It's pushing $70 now. It was $40 when I started. And net neutrality just died with our last presidential election. That means you won't see you're cable bill going up because they'll be charging Netflix $10/mo per user for access.
You're only option is to stop consuming. That sounds good on paper, but TV brings people together. How much water cooler talk is about TV? How much Ice breaking? It's part of our shared culture, and if you're not in, you're out. Try talking to your Boss about the last great book you read and see his eyes glaze over and him look down his nose at your 'elitism'. We Americans at least don't like elites...
When I'm in line I'm flanked on all sides by additional purchasing opportunities. Magazines, Gum, Chapstick, USB wall chargers, you name it. The Longer I'm in line the more likely I am to buy just one more thing. Usually for a 30% mark up over an equivalent item at the back of the store. You think they're gonna give that up?
who don't have the capacity for that work? Last I checked suicide booths were a no-no. I guess there's always the world's oldest profession, but I've got some problems with that being the difference between eating and not eating food.
because these groups have been hitting the dog whistle so hard you'd think they picked up a coaches whistle by mistake.
And we called out Black Nationalists in the 70s. They mostly calmed the hell down and stopped being racists. The White Nationalists didn't do that when they were called out. They doubled and trippled down. Mostly because they're being used by a wealthy elite to win elections and stuff state legislatures with pro-corporate anti-worker politicians. That's what pisses me off the most about racism. It's just an excuse to give everything to the 1%.
You're still taking money away from earners (the owners of the robots) to give to non-earners (the people put out of work by the robots). Venezuela just took 4.8 million toys from a company to give away to poor kids. What you're proposing is basically the same thing, at least if you take the end results. What gives you the right? They robot's owners earned it. How is what you're doing anything other than theft? If the robot owners want to give away the proceeds that's their business. But you're suggesting we force them (presumable at the barrel of a gun)?
If you can't answer these questions I don't think socialism will ever get anywhere. At least, not until things have gone completely to shit for 90% of the population. Maybe 95%...
older people are harder to train and have a harder time learning new things. When the mines closed I saw a lot of highly skilled mechanics show up in tech support. They were, to a man, awful at it. But they were fantastic mechanics. These weren't dumb people. These weren't unskilled people. People's brains change as they get older, and it's not always for the best. We've been pretending this isn't a thing for a very long time.
and Congress. Didn't you learn anything about our system of checks and balances in school?
Now, if we were to give all three branches of the gov't over to one group who had a strong pro-corporate, anti-worker ideology I might be worried. But surely we wouldn't do that (and don't call me Shirley).
ya got there. Be a shame if a stray bit 'o truth caught it fire and burned it down...
This has nothing to do with what Amazon allows or doesn't allow. They're not paying their employees enough to afford an apartment. Simple as that. Nobody lives in a tent by choice. You didn't either. If you were better paid you'd have bought an apartment. Just because you don't feel like you were taken advantage of doesn't mean you weren't.
Oh, and these are warehouse workers. They make a hell of a lot less than you did working for Silicon Valley. They're not going to pull themselves up by their bootstraps with their mighty Amazon warehouse wages. Unless somebody comes along and helps them they'll spend the rest of their lives there. And they'll be joined by more workers. We'll have tent cities in America. Let that sink in.
with Big Pharma. It doesn't matter if they work or have terrible side effects because you're going to die soon anyway. Also you'll pay just about anything for a shot at life. Those things combined make them highly profitable. On the flip side some very promising treatment options for kids with Leukemia have to funded in Europe because keeping kids alive for the next 50 years of their lives can't measure up.
Harvard will pay you're way 100% if you're an actual genius. Hell, most schools will. You'll be rocking a 1600 SAT and can write your own ticket. The folks who need help are the average students. But they're not who Thiel is after. He wants folks who can power his High Frequency Trading and AI/Automation investments. The wave of the future is skimming off the top and/or getting rid of those pesky employees and their meddling wages & benefits. You need geniuses for that because it _hard_.
these aren't going to be sys admins leaving. These will be the guys that do crypto and the hard math stuff. Wallstreet will gobble them up at $500k/yr+.
Gov't jobs really don't pay all that well at the top end. They're only real advantage is they're secure and often found in cities good for raising families. It's mostly the lower end where they pay better than market rates and they do that to try and spread some money around poor communities (e.g. socialism) and keep the economy from completely collapsing. Most of that is middle management jobs at defense contractors, not the NSA.
when surveyed that's what CEOs were planning on spending the money on once the incoming administration removes those taxes. That means layoffs, and lots of 'em, because that's what you do after a M&A spree. It also means less competition. Meaning price hikes. I suppose there'll be a little investment, in automation. That's what Carrier's gonna do with about half the money they're getting paid to keep those jobs around....
Now, if we had the political will to actually make them pay their fair share towards a decent civilization I'd be all for it. But I don't think that's gonna happen. So we block the money from coming back into the country where it'll just get used for bad things.
Assuming they're old enough. Lego's suck for learning real engineering. If that's a no-go maybe Lego Technic, but I still think the Erector sets your better buy.
and it's completely apropos. This is the problem the left has right now. We can't face things head on. I'm not saying we kick the Muslims out, force them to assimilate, or any such. Hell, I'm not saying _anything_ right now. I'm just pointing out a situation that's bad. It's a problem, and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away. That sort of attitude is what got us Trump:(...
with that. This is only going to get worse too. One of the big things companies have been waiting for is the opportunity to bring the trillions of dollars they've had socked away in tax havens back into the global market without all those pesky taxes. The US, and specifically Obama, have been blocking this. Welp, we done just f'd that up. And what are they planning to do with all that money? Mergers and Acquisitions. Lots of 'em. Expect the amount of competition to drop like a rock.
Now, in the face of all that, what you _you_ going to do? You, Mishotaki. What, specifically will you do when there's nowhere else to buy bread except Amazon and it's $10, $20 a loaf? Maybe when you finally don't have enough to eat, maybe when it's you in one of those tents you'll finally wake up. But ya know what, by then it'll be too late. You'll be too busy surviving to do anything about it. You won't even have time and money to waste posting drek to/. None of us will.
They can be bad for employing people in usurious contracts while also be bad for using illegal and/or immoral tricks to fire them without giving them access to the safety net they're due.
I've been under the gun for outsourcing multiple times in my life but managed to say ahead. I watch a lot of folks who weren't so fortunate. I also saw the creative ways companies get out of paying unemployment benefits.
Bet you didn't know how that works, right? Do you know why it's called "Unemployment Insurance"? Like any insurance there are premiums, and they're paid by the employer. Did you know employers aren't legally required to pay premiums? The catch is if an employee gets benefits the company pays for them out of pocket (just like any insurance).
If you haven't figured it out, this results in a perverse system where the employer is incentivized to fight tooth and nail to keep the employee from getting those benefits. If you're rocking a college degree you've probably never faced this. For one thing it's not hard to find work, for another those kind of jobs don't usually bother with these tricks. They don't need to, their employees won't be hunting 6 months for a job to replace the meager earnings from their last one. OTOH if you're in any kind of entry level position you'll find out quick just how little actual safety net there is.
Basically, our safety net was replaced by razor wire when nobody was looking. And then there's guys like you who act like it's still there. Pray you never need it and find out otherwise.
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than a cheap discrete graphics + cpu? The trouble I had with APUs is that for another $20 bucks you could get a regular CPU + a cheap graphics card and get between 30-50% better performance. If you were willing to gamble on a used GPU you could often do a hell of a lot better (but you might get something that had the oven trick done to it). The only folks I saw using APUs were guys in Latin America where strict import rules made it hard to get discrete graphics.
Now, give me 60 fps at 1080p medium for current gen and make it cheap for OEMs and you might have something. Give me a box like that for $400 with a nice profit margin for the OEM and we'll talk. But until then I'll scrounge up that extra $20 and put together a box with better specs.
when we think discrimination we just think: "I hate X because they are X and because I hate X I will do bad things to X".
But I honestly don't know if the law takes feelings into account like we do. E.g. if under the law discrimination is discrimination regardless of why you're discriminating. I'm guessing they can easily show that the company Disney outsourced too gives preferential treatment to Indians here on work visas. If they're giving preferential treatment to one nationality (Indians) how is that not discrimination? Not that I understand the actual written law enough to say.
specifically for an H1-B. And it'll be child's play to prove that it was all Indians hired. I guess motive might be a factor though. The motive is paying lower wages. But I've also heard tell of the guys that run the H1-B factories here in the states that they don't like Americans because they're so lazy. So again, not so far fetched.
BTW, where the hell is Trump in all this? He finished the Carrier deal (for better or worse). I want him on this one. He's got a pretty clear cut case of visa abuse here. Time to put up or shut up.
it's doing exactly what it's suppose to do: drive down American wages. That's like saying an Iron Maiden is a deeply flawed torture device because, gosh, somebody could get hurt.
I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them killing each other for a share.
Or in case that wasn't blunt enough for you, the real villains are humans. And they're real, very, very real. Saying nonsense like you just did to try and diminish their evil works though. Again, nice straw man. Nice job trying to divert the argument away from the bad stuff Uber's doing and why it's bad. You take debate lessons from Karl Rove or somethin'?
not in this context anyway. Google it. Go on. I'll wait.
And you're using a classic Karl Rove technique (whatever you are accuse the other side of being). Are you a paid professional troll (Russian perhaps)? If not then one of them got to you and you're parroting their arguments without realizing it.
without automation. They did it with shopper "loyalty" cards. They started with discounts, and then the discounts became part of the core price. I don't make enough money to take a 20% hit to my grocery bill in exchange for privacy. Most Americans don't.
If you want real freedom you've got to be willing to let the other guy have some money, but as my right wing friends like to point out, who's gonna pay for that?
as cable TV. Meanwhile as my options to watch online content increase so does the cable Internet bill needed to support them. It's pushing $70 now. It was $40 when I started. And net neutrality just died with our last presidential election. That means you won't see you're cable bill going up because they'll be charging Netflix $10/mo per user for access.
You're only option is to stop consuming. That sounds good on paper, but TV brings people together. How much water cooler talk is about TV? How much Ice breaking? It's part of our shared culture, and if you're not in, you're out. Try talking to your Boss about the last great book you read and see his eyes glaze over and him look down his nose at your 'elitism'. We Americans at least don't like elites...
When I'm in line I'm flanked on all sides by additional purchasing opportunities. Magazines, Gum, Chapstick, USB wall chargers, you name it. The Longer I'm in line the more likely I am to buy just one more thing. Usually for a 30% mark up over an equivalent item at the back of the store. You think they're gonna give that up?
who don't have the capacity for that work? Last I checked suicide booths were a no-no. I guess there's always the world's oldest profession, but I've got some problems with that being the difference between eating and not eating food.
because these groups have been hitting the dog whistle so hard you'd think they picked up a coaches whistle by mistake.
And we called out Black Nationalists in the 70s. They mostly calmed the hell down and stopped being racists. The White Nationalists didn't do that when they were called out. They doubled and trippled down. Mostly because they're being used by a wealthy elite to win elections and stuff state legislatures with pro-corporate anti-worker politicians. That's what pisses me off the most about racism. It's just an excuse to give everything to the 1%.
You're still taking money away from earners (the owners of the robots) to give to non-earners (the people put out of work by the robots). Venezuela just took 4.8 million toys from a company to give away to poor kids. What you're proposing is basically the same thing, at least if you take the end results. What gives you the right? They robot's owners earned it. How is what you're doing anything other than theft? If the robot owners want to give away the proceeds that's their business. But you're suggesting we force them (presumable at the barrel of a gun)?
If you can't answer these questions I don't think socialism will ever get anywhere. At least, not until things have gone completely to shit for 90% of the population. Maybe 95%...
older people are harder to train and have a harder time learning new things. When the mines closed I saw a lot of highly skilled mechanics show up in tech support. They were, to a man, awful at it. But they were fantastic mechanics. These weren't dumb people. These weren't unskilled people. People's brains change as they get older, and it's not always for the best. We've been pretending this isn't a thing for a very long time.
and Congress. Didn't you learn anything about our system of checks and balances in school?
Now, if we were to give all three branches of the gov't over to one group who had a strong pro-corporate, anti-worker ideology I might be worried. But surely we wouldn't do that (and don't call me Shirley).
ya got there. Be a shame if a stray bit 'o truth caught it fire and burned it down...
This has nothing to do with what Amazon allows or doesn't allow. They're not paying their employees enough to afford an apartment. Simple as that. Nobody lives in a tent by choice. You didn't either. If you were better paid you'd have bought an apartment. Just because you don't feel like you were taken advantage of doesn't mean you weren't.
Oh, and these are warehouse workers. They make a hell of a lot less than you did working for Silicon Valley. They're not going to pull themselves up by their bootstraps with their mighty Amazon warehouse wages. Unless somebody comes along and helps them they'll spend the rest of their lives there. And they'll be joined by more workers. We'll have tent cities in America. Let that sink in.
with Big Pharma. It doesn't matter if they work or have terrible side effects because you're going to die soon anyway. Also you'll pay just about anything for a shot at life. Those things combined make them highly profitable. On the flip side some very promising treatment options for kids with Leukemia have to funded in Europe because keeping kids alive for the next 50 years of their lives can't measure up.
Harvard will pay you're way 100% if you're an actual genius. Hell, most schools will. You'll be rocking a 1600 SAT and can write your own ticket. The folks who need help are the average students. But they're not who Thiel is after. He wants folks who can power his High Frequency Trading and AI/Automation investments. The wave of the future is skimming off the top and/or getting rid of those pesky employees and their meddling wages & benefits. You need geniuses for that because it _hard_.
these aren't going to be sys admins leaving. These will be the guys that do crypto and the hard math stuff. Wallstreet will gobble them up at $500k/yr+.
Gov't jobs really don't pay all that well at the top end. They're only real advantage is they're secure and often found in cities good for raising families. It's mostly the lower end where they pay better than market rates and they do that to try and spread some money around poor communities (e.g. socialism) and keep the economy from completely collapsing. Most of that is middle management jobs at defense contractors, not the NSA.
when surveyed that's what CEOs were planning on spending the money on once the incoming administration removes those taxes. That means layoffs, and lots of 'em, because that's what you do after a M&A spree. It also means less competition. Meaning price hikes. I suppose there'll be a little investment, in automation. That's what Carrier's gonna do with about half the money they're getting paid to keep those jobs around....
Now, if we had the political will to actually make them pay their fair share towards a decent civilization I'd be all for it. But I don't think that's gonna happen. So we block the money from coming back into the country where it'll just get used for bad things.
Assuming they're old enough. Lego's suck for learning real engineering. If that's a no-go maybe Lego Technic, but I still think the Erector sets your better buy.
and it's completely apropos. This is the problem the left has right now. We can't face things head on. I'm not saying we kick the Muslims out, force them to assimilate, or any such. Hell, I'm not saying _anything_ right now. I'm just pointing out a situation that's bad. It's a problem, and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away. That sort of attitude is what got us Trump :(...
with that. This is only going to get worse too. One of the big things companies have been waiting for is the opportunity to bring the trillions of dollars they've had socked away in tax havens back into the global market without all those pesky taxes. The US, and specifically Obama, have been blocking this. Welp, we done just f'd that up. And what are they planning to do with all that money? Mergers and Acquisitions. Lots of 'em. Expect the amount of competition to drop like a rock.
/. None of us will.
Now, in the face of all that, what you _you_ going to do? You, Mishotaki. What, specifically will you do when there's nowhere else to buy bread except Amazon and it's $10, $20 a loaf? Maybe when you finally don't have enough to eat, maybe when it's you in one of those tents you'll finally wake up. But ya know what, by then it'll be too late. You'll be too busy surviving to do anything about it. You won't even have time and money to waste posting drek to
Or moving the goal post? Anyone want to weigh in on exactly where the bullshit meter this falls?
They can be bad for employing people in usurious contracts while also be bad for using illegal and/or immoral tricks to fire them without giving them access to the safety net they're due.
See, it's complicated like that.
I've been under the gun for outsourcing multiple times in my life but managed to say ahead. I watch a lot of folks who weren't so fortunate. I also saw the creative ways companies get out of paying unemployment benefits.
Bet you didn't know how that works, right? Do you know why it's called "Unemployment Insurance"? Like any insurance there are premiums, and they're paid by the employer. Did you know employers aren't legally required to pay premiums? The catch is if an employee gets benefits the company pays for them out of pocket (just like any insurance).
If you haven't figured it out, this results in a perverse system where the employer is incentivized to fight tooth and nail to keep the employee from getting those benefits. If you're rocking a college degree you've probably never faced this. For one thing it's not hard to find work, for another those kind of jobs don't usually bother with these tricks. They don't need to, their employees won't be hunting 6 months for a job to replace the meager earnings from their last one. OTOH if you're in any kind of entry level position you'll find out quick just how little actual safety net there is.
Basically, our safety net was replaced by razor wire when nobody was looking. And then there's guys like you who act like it's still there. Pray you never need it and find out otherwise.