Having seen the brilliant documentary Capricorn One, I can assure you: While it might have been taken with a camera, it was clearly of a matte painting, not of the Earth itself.
*sigh* Why you're being so intentionally obtuse is beyond me.
Your car burns gas. It puts pollution into the air at the rate of the average gas car plus or minus your fuel efficiency compared to the average.
My car burns grid electricity. It puts pollution into the air at a rate that depends on how my grid electricity is generated plus some overhead for the environmental cost of the batteries over their lifetime.
At the top of all of this WillAffleckUW started talking about the price (wallet) of the fuel, and you rebutted with the efficiency of burning coal versus the efficiency of internal combustion engines, stupidly, or ignorantly saying that:
The least efficient coal plant is still massively more efficient in terms of pollutants and CO2 emitted per power generated than most efficient automotive internal combustion engine found in road cars of today.
...which is completely untrue. Burning nothing but coal to power the grid, a Tesla and Leaf would pollute more than a modern high-mileage car.
Fortunately, more and more of our grid is moving from coal and CNG to solar, hydro, etc.
It's not dollar costs, you moron; It's the environmental cost of the sort of fuels used to power the electrical grid.
In places in the middle of the country, they pretty much just light coal on fire day and night to generate grid electricity. In those places, a "zero emissions" car has an emissions footprint similar to a car that gets 40mpg because (a) making lithium batteries was real ugly, and (b) lighting coal on fire to generate electricity has a footprint.
In places where the grid is powered by more (carbon) green technologies (solar, wind, nuclear, hydro),
I own and drive a leaf. I took a good look at estimates from both the anti-electric and pro-electric zealots on how much pollution the battery process provided, and I take them with a grain of salt. The UOCS report uses a fairly middle-of-the-road number on the battery overhead.
...but even if you ignore the battery overhead, grid electricity doesn't come carbon free, which is why the state-by-state breakdown includes numbers based on the type of fuels burned.
In places where coal is used heavily in grid power (say, Oklahoma), a car that gets about 34! miles per gallon compares with a Leaf or Tesla for emissions, once you factor in overhead for battery production and disposal.
In places like the California or the Pacific Northwest, you'd need a car that gets 78! MPG to compete with electric cars powered by the grid and built with "dirty" batteries.
I've seen a few other reports, all which include different values for battery production/disposal overhead and a few that rank the pacific northwest higher than California, but the one linked above is pretty "middle of the road" with regard to their values.
There's interactive workout machines at the gym. There's a whole interactive world out there. It's neat. I've been there (once or twice).
I'd love for the next-gen Tour de France machine at the gym to include some sort of Oculus setup, but this slippery-not-a-treadmill is destined to become junk in a living room.
[As a side note, I have already realized my lifelong goal of having as my Tour de France victories as Lance Armstrong.]
This is where Musk's Hubris is going to be a problem.
There's no way that he can know for sure what happened in the fire, and he's going to risk having to eat crow -- lots and lots of crow -- if he's proven wrong.
I love the guy, but hubris is clearly among his worst qualities.
It's not that it's dumb, it's that we're all way, way, way too lazy.
Dance Dance Revolution died out a while ago. The Wii was amusing for a while, but we just sit and flick now. The Kinect is pretty awesome, but we mostly just want to yell "GRENADE!" at it while slumping and playing shoot-'em-ups. The kids still jump around, but the novelty wears off them quickly too.
These would be cool in the party bus that entertains kids birthday parties, but that's about it.
Yeah, RMS goes w/ Loongson, so since the FSF is putting this together, why don't they just team up w/ Lemote, slap Trisquel (or gNewSense) on the laptop, fire it up w/ GNOME3, and put it out to market? Better yet, if they can find someone to fab the OpenRISC chip, or come out w/ an GPLed version of a SPARC (where its HDL designs are GPLed) and fab it, and design it into a laptop, w/ coreboot, they'll get what they want.
I recognize that most of the words you wrote are in English, and Google Translate auto-detects English, but I still have no clue what you just said.
A merry Loongson to you, dear Trisquel! And a Lemote coreboot to HDL!
It is silly to rate the performance of teachers by the performance of their students. It is equally silly to suggest that teachers shouldn't be rated by their job performance.
That $180/mo in gas likely costs about $25 in electricity, depending on your grid prices.
You save on average about $155/mo in fuel by switching to electric vehicles.
You can get a Leaf for about 22k after tax breaks, which means you don't break even on fuel costs for well after the life of the car (12 years), but you you do break even over a Nissan Versa Note (same car body) in 4.3 years.
And, you know, you get to be smug about it in the process...
...and here, I get to save a half an hour twice a day for getting to ride (alone) in the car pool lane.:)
Even assuming fairly bad battery production overheads, you pollute at roughly the same rate as a 50mpg car while using electric from the grid as it stands.
California has a fairly green grid, so you'd need a 60mpg car to compete. The Pacific Northwest is even better - needing nearly 70mpg to compete. Oklahoma and other coal-burners are worse, and you only need 40mpg to compete.
Fire and police can serve me better if they know where I live. I don't think that's an unreasonable part of my privacy to give up.
Google doesn't decide how much I share with them in exchange for their services. I decide how much I share with Google in exchange for what quality of service I want in return.
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Having seen the brilliant documentary Capricorn One, I can assure you: While it might have been taken with a camera, it was clearly of a matte painting, not of the Earth itself.
All the way.
*sigh* Why you're being so intentionally obtuse is beyond me.
Your car burns gas. It puts pollution into the air at the rate of the average gas car plus or minus your fuel efficiency compared to the average.
My car burns grid electricity. It puts pollution into the air at a rate that depends on how my grid electricity is generated plus some overhead for the environmental cost of the batteries over their lifetime.
At the top of all of this WillAffleckUW started talking about the price (wallet) of the fuel, and you rebutted with the efficiency of burning coal versus the efficiency of internal combustion engines, stupidly, or ignorantly saying that:
The least efficient coal plant is still massively more efficient in terms of pollutants and CO2 emitted per power generated than most efficient automotive internal combustion engine found in road cars of today.
...which is completely untrue. Burning nothing but coal to power the grid, a Tesla and Leaf would pollute more than a modern high-mileage car.
Fortunately, more and more of our grid is moving from coal and CNG to solar, hydro, etc.
I think this is a case where Poe's Law applies.
This is more a situation for Cole's Law.
It's not dollar costs, you moron; It's the environmental cost of the sort of fuels used to power the electrical grid.
In places in the middle of the country, they pretty much just light coal on fire day and night to generate grid electricity. In those places, a "zero emissions" car has an emissions footprint similar to a car that gets 40mpg because (a) making lithium batteries was real ugly, and (b) lighting coal on fire to generate electricity has a footprint.
In places where the grid is powered by more (carbon) green technologies (solar, wind, nuclear, hydro),
I own and drive a leaf. I took a good look at estimates from both the anti-electric and pro-electric zealots on how much pollution the battery process provided, and I take them with a grain of salt. The UOCS report uses a fairly middle-of-the-road number on the battery overhead.
...because the renters like aesthetics.
It'd probably be cheaper to not put in windows (and not heat/cool a building with windows), but people like them.
Untrue.
In places where coal is used heavily in grid power (say, Oklahoma), a car that gets about 34! miles per gallon compares with a Leaf or Tesla for emissions, once you factor in overhead for battery production and disposal.
In places like the California or the Pacific Northwest, you'd need a car that gets 78! MPG to compete with electric cars powered by the grid and built with "dirty" batteries.
Page 12 has a nice map.
http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/clean_vehicles/electric-car-global-warming-emissions-report.pdf
I've seen a few other reports, all which include different values for battery production/disposal overhead and a few that rank the pacific northwest higher than California, but the one linked above is pretty "middle of the road" with regard to their values.
For all the reasons you mention in your post, this thing will be a flop.
Aside: We don't believe in the boogeyman. We send our kids out until the street lights come on, the way the FSM intended.
If I plug my iron into the wall, and then the wall socket shorts out and causes a fire in the wall, the iron might still be to blame.
Sure, it's more likely the wiring, but you can't rule out the iron.
The conspiracy of the mainstream media to hide the dangers of aluminum wiring from us?
Sounds like the sort of thing I might have in my house that could kill my children... ...tonight at 11.
Nah, we just lock our chargers up.
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Lock_j1772_w_padlock_img1090ex.jpg
There's interactive workout machines at the gym. There's a whole interactive world out there. It's neat. I've been there (once or twice).
I'd love for the next-gen Tour de France machine at the gym to include some sort of Oculus setup, but this slippery-not-a-treadmill is destined to become junk in a living room.
[As a side note, I have already realized my lifelong goal of having as my Tour de France victories as Lance Armstrong.]
This is where Musk's Hubris is going to be a problem.
There's no way that he can know for sure what happened in the fire, and he's going to risk having to eat crow -- lots and lots of crow -- if he's proven wrong.
I love the guy, but hubris is clearly among his worst qualities.
It's not that it's dumb, it's that we're all way, way, way too lazy.
Dance Dance Revolution died out a while ago. The Wii was amusing for a while, but we just sit and flick now. The Kinect is pretty awesome, but we mostly just want to yell "GRENADE!" at it while slumping and playing shoot-'em-ups. The kids still jump around, but the novelty wears off them quickly too.
These would be cool in the party bus that entertains kids birthday parties, but that's about it.
Lighten up, Frances. It's joke.
That said, Loongson, Lemote, Trisquel, and gNewSense aren't exactly the things every geek is into.
Yeah, RMS goes w/ Loongson, so since the FSF is putting this together, why don't they just team up w/ Lemote, slap Trisquel (or gNewSense) on the laptop, fire it up w/ GNOME3, and put it out to market? Better yet, if they can find someone to fab the OpenRISC chip, or come out w/ an GPLed version of a SPARC (where its HDL designs are GPLed) and fab it, and design it into a laptop, w/ coreboot, they'll get what they want.
I recognize that most of the words you wrote are in English, and Google Translate auto-detects English, but I still have no clue what you just said.
A merry Loongson to you, dear Trisquel! And a Lemote coreboot to HDL!
So you're saying you have 100% of your liquid income invested in shorting Facebook stock, right?
I mean, it's a sure thing....
It is silly to rate the performance of teachers by the performance of their students.
It is equally silly to suggest that teachers shouldn't be rated by their job performance.
The national average for gas this year was about $3.60, and your average 20-54 year old drives 15,000 a year.
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm
The average new car gets 33mpg, and the average new truck gets 25. That's $136/mo in gas, or $180/mo in gas.
The average car on the road in 2010 - the one you'd be replacing with a Tesla got 23mpg, or $195/mo. Considering it's been creeping up by a mile or so a year, let's call the average savings over replacing the average car on the road, driving the average number of miles for an employed active driver $180/mo.
http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/rita.dot.gov.bts/files/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_04_23.html
That $180/mo in gas likely costs about $25 in electricity, depending on your grid prices.
You save on average about $155/mo in fuel by switching to electric vehicles.
You can get a Leaf for about 22k after tax breaks, which means you don't break even on fuel costs for well after the life of the car (12 years), but you you do break even over a Nissan Versa Note (same car body) in 4.3 years.
And, you know, you get to be smug about it in the process...
Also, since it's open source, and you can compile it yourself, your programmer can remove them or your compiler can ignore the HLTs.
Even assuming fairly bad battery production overheads, you pollute at roughly the same rate as a 50mpg car while using electric from the grid as it stands.
California has a fairly green grid, so you'd need a 60mpg car to compete.
The Pacific Northwest is even better - needing nearly 70mpg to compete.
Oklahoma and other coal-burners are worse, and you only need 40mpg to compete.
Once you subtract $180/mo in gas, it gets a lot less steep.
Yes, there's a few bad cops out there, and a fair number of them have been caught, exposed, and turned into headlines.
The overwhelming majority of police are, frankly, pretty good folk who actually enjoy serving the public.
Do you even lift?
There's a line.
Fire and police can serve me better if they know where I live. I don't think that's an unreasonable part of my privacy to give up.
Google doesn't decide how much I share with them in exchange for their services. I decide how much I share with Google in exchange for what quality of service I want in return.