It is relevant to the credibility crisis of the Japanese government, which appears to be growing every day. Credibility is what makes people believe the government when it says a situation is "safe."
Look, I have lived in Japan for the last 7 years. Your defense of Edano and Fujimura is inappropriate given the context of the situation and culture, for which you seem grossly unaware.
Love nukes all you want, but I would advise you stay away from Japanese politics. You are making your side look like of bunch of fucking sociopaths due to your ignorance of the situation.
Is your "shouldn't be radioactive iodine around" assumption based on the rigorous Slashdot research standards? Because, that must mean you have been able to explain the high radioactive iodine levels recently found and mentioned here, here, and here. Perhaps you could do us all a favor and explain here for us to benefit (and disprove any possibility of re-criticalities)?
"So is there a problem here?"
"why would one think that school milk is radioactive"
Nice . . . I don't think you recognize who was in the video nor the history behind the issue being discussed. But I must be new here (which I am not) for thinking differently and trying to have a serious discussion about Fukushima with you . I blame myself . ..
Look, I was in the finance industry for over 5 years in Tokyo, own propriety North of Tokyo, and left after the accident. I have a friend who has been trying to sell otherwise very marketable propriety (Japanese "mansion" next to a major train line) for the last 6 months. The kind of response (no offers) is uncharacteristic of the Japanese real estate market prior to the accident. The real estate agents agree that people are afraid to buy in the area. But this is Slashdot, where my personal first hand experience is no match for the nuclear apologist's "gut" feeling on the situation.
"Especially in the face of the Japanese government continuing to allow millions of people to occupy Tokyo."
Really!? Look at the guys towards the end of this video. You think THEY are taking this situation seriously? If I were still a nuclear apologist, I wouldn't be touching Fukushima with a ten foot pole. You really want to associate yourself with the filth like Edano and Fujimura?
"if things in Tokyo are that bad, why haven't the prices gone to zero"
Thanks for reminding why I should never try to have a serious conversation about economics on Slashdot again . . .
We are dealing with quasi-capitalism here, where governments "assume" the downside risks for both large banks and nuclear plant operators. It took the government 3 months to even admit full meltdowns at the 3 reactors. There is new information coming out everyday regarding levels of fallout in areas even further Southwest from Tokyo (which contradict earlier information from the government). Fallout maps to the level of detail necessary to value the impact to real estate do not yet exist, and maps of any detail for Saitama and Chiba have only been released recently. And let us not forget, fallout of this level in areas of this population density is unprecedented. This is an out of lab experiment, the results of which will take years to come out.
Finally, there is increasing doubt in the credibility of the officials in charge. Don't believe me? Take a look at this "development" from a couple of days ago. Would you trust these people when they say things are safe?
And raise you a Nikkei vs Orix graph. YTD Nikkei is down 18% and Orix is down TWICE that. How do YOU explain real estate disproportionately undervalued to the equity market YTD?
Mind putting your money where your mouth is? Cause the market has really taken a dump on JREITs. If you look carefully, things are actually much worse now than they were when the Japan East cost was being submerged by mega-tsunami. One would tend to think this is a reaction to radioactive fallout.
Either the people with money know something you do not, or people like you are just coming out here spouting BS on how overblown things are while not taking any meaningful economic positions behind their claims. If you are right, you stand to make a fortune in JREITs. What percentage of your savings have you invested?
Most of the reactors going forward will not be built in the U.S. or Russia, and I doubt that weapons grade Uranium will be sold to these countries (and if it were, it would be more profitable to be resold for nuclear weapons than used for power generation). The cold war, if anything, dramatically decreased the amount of high grade Uranium ore available for global power generation. Maybe this puts the U.S. and Russia in a good position, but this just makes nuclear power generation from a global perspective more expensive.
And why it is inherently flawed. Making separate LVs just protects the stockholders and management from having to report when things go wrong (SPVs). It does not protect the citizens impacted by the damaged economy, or say, the Tokyo residents downwind from the plant. This is how "limited liability" is being used to destroy modern society.
Instead, how about we do not allow banks to become too big to fail or power plants to become so powerful they can make large areas uninhabitable forever?
This is one of the nicer Anon posts I have ever received. However, though I lived North of Tokyo, there is evidence indicating contamination even Southwest of Tokyo. That would imply tens of millions of people will be impacted by this accident, though understanding the actual impact is years, if not decades, away.
Furthermore, Uranium ore has to be gutted from the Earth just like every other non-renewable resource. The yields of uranium ore are certainly decreasing over time, just like oil wells are having to dig deeper and deeper.
With the big picture in mind, I think we need to focus on adopting technologies that are more robust against "acts of God." Our world is more connected than ever, and we have only become more vulnerable to such shocks. We are quickly leaving the realm where something has to be in your backyard to adversely impact your life.
"If we just took your compromise, nothing much would change."
Not a single nuclear plant could operate without government backing. No private insurance company could ever cover such risk. Nuclear plants are just like large banks and absolutely require government backing so that the whole country can share the pain when they screw up.
Sorry, not willing to put much more time in a response to someone who did not even bother to create a Slashdot account. . . Why don't you create an account?
Alright, I take your post as a legitimate testament for plants working within business as usual conditions. However, you have only established that nuclear is the cleaner energy when things go as planned.
Unfortunately, things do not always go according to plan and your experience seems somewhat lacking in that department. How about I compromise and say that you are free to build all the nuclear plants you like, as long as the technology is deemed safe enough that you can actually get private insurance companies (without government intervention) to cover for potential accidents?
But only when things go wrong. That is why companies get governments to "insure" them in case things go bad. With Germany pulling out, perhaps Siemens had to start internalizing some of the costs (especially, liabilities) they had previous assumed that the government would "help" them with back when the government was pro-nuke.
It is funny how Slashdot has so much contempt towards the finance industry when the nuclear industry is so similar in structure. Both take on risks that require government "backing" when things go wrong (and could do enough damage to bring down entire nations). Both result in powerful lobbies that manipulate entire governments. Yet you find very few posts here fighting tooth and nail in order to defend the finance industry . . .
Maybe the German government and Siemens are privy to information you are not. Might be a bit more reasonable than to assume that they are all "just fucking crazy." But perhaps I am just fucking crazy for proposing a contrary idea?
Such posts will get 5 Insightful just because they support the nuclear industry. It has been a peculiar experience to see just how slanted the community is, especially since I was directly impacted by the Fukushima accident.
Unfortunate, though. Slashdot is usually a great place to find opinions from those with first hand experience. However, when it comes to nuclear power, it might as well be a site for the nuclear lobby. Those with first hand experience are either too intimidated to post or accused of being liars when they do.
Exactly, Softbank were the only ones flexible enough in Japan to do business with Apple. However, you seem intent on disagreeing, so yes . . . I am wrong, you are right . . .
Yeah, Professor Koide of Kyodai even said that the GOJ could not possibly fully compensate the victims of Fukushima (assuming it did so at fair value). Maybe hotshots like Son realize their fortunes might become worthless if Japan does not fix its energy problem, and quick.
To use Anon posting for personal attacks against signed-in users must be something only done by those with such low self-esteem and basis for argument that they are unable to socially engage on fair ground. I find it truly disturbing the amount of time you must have wasted on this effort and believe it must stem from some serious social disorder you must be suffering from. Though I am ignoring your post/s, I found it necessary to point out that you are abusing a very useful functionality of Slashdot. Some posters have legitimate reasons for using the Anon feature to allow them to inform our community without compromising their careers or personal safety. Your abuse of this feature risks undermining that which brings otherwise unobtainable information to the community (by increasing the likelihood that all Anon posts will be ignored). In other words, you are hurting the community for selfish and antisocial personal gain. Please stop.
Anyone finding themselves in a similar situation are free to reuse the last paragraph. I believe if we respond consistently as a community we can limit the effects of such destructive behavior.
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It is relevant to the credibility crisis of the Japanese government, which appears to be growing every day. Credibility is what makes people believe the government when it says a situation is "safe."
Look, I have lived in Japan for the last 7 years. Your defense of Edano and Fujimura is inappropriate given the context of the situation and culture, for which you seem grossly unaware.
Love nukes all you want, but I would advise you stay away from Japanese politics. You are making your side look like of bunch of fucking sociopaths due to your ignorance of the situation.
Is your "shouldn't be radioactive iodine around" assumption based on the rigorous Slashdot research standards? Because, that must mean you have been able to explain the high radioactive iodine levels recently found and mentioned here, here, and here. Perhaps you could do us all a favor and explain here for us to benefit (and disprove any possibility of re-criticalities)?
"So is there a problem here?" .
"why would one think that school milk is radioactive"
Nice . . . I don't think you recognize who was in the video nor the history behind the issue being discussed. But I must be new here (which I am not) for thinking differently and trying to have a serious discussion about Fukushima with you . I blame myself . .
Move along folks, nothing to see here . . .
Look, I was in the finance industry for over 5 years in Tokyo, own propriety North of Tokyo, and left after the accident. I have a friend who has been trying to sell otherwise very marketable propriety (Japanese "mansion" next to a major train line) for the last 6 months. The kind of response (no offers) is uncharacteristic of the Japanese real estate market prior to the accident. The real estate agents agree that people are afraid to buy in the area. But this is Slashdot, where my personal first hand experience is no match for the nuclear apologist's "gut" feeling on the situation.
"Especially in the face of the Japanese government continuing to allow millions of people to occupy Tokyo."
Really!? Look at the guys towards the end of this video. You think THEY are taking this situation seriously? If I were still a nuclear apologist, I wouldn't be touching Fukushima with a ten foot pole. You really want to associate yourself with the filth like Edano and Fujimura?
"if things in Tokyo are that bad, why haven't the prices gone to zero"
Thanks for reminding why I should never try to have a serious conversation about economics on Slashdot again . . .
We are dealing with quasi-capitalism here, where governments "assume" the downside risks for both large banks and nuclear plant operators. It took the government 3 months to even admit full meltdowns at the 3 reactors. There is new information coming out everyday regarding levels of fallout in areas even further Southwest from Tokyo (which contradict earlier information from the government). Fallout maps to the level of detail necessary to value the impact to real estate do not yet exist, and maps of any detail for Saitama and Chiba have only been released recently. And let us not forget, fallout of this level in areas of this population density is unprecedented. This is an out of lab experiment, the results of which will take years to come out.
Finally, there is increasing doubt in the credibility of the officials in charge. Don't believe me? Take a look at this "development" from a couple of days ago. Would you trust these people when they say things are safe?
And raise you a Nikkei vs Orix graph. YTD Nikkei is down 18% and Orix is down TWICE that. How do YOU explain real estate disproportionately undervalued to the equity market YTD?
Mind putting your money where your mouth is? Cause the market has really taken a dump on JREITs. If you look carefully, things are actually much worse now than they were when the Japan East cost was being submerged by mega-tsunami. One would tend to think this is a reaction to radioactive fallout.
Either the people with money know something you do not, or people like you are just coming out here spouting BS on how overblown things are while not taking any meaningful economic positions behind their claims. If you are right, you stand to make a fortune in JREITs. What percentage of your savings have you invested?
Most of the reactors going forward will not be built in the U.S. or Russia, and I doubt that weapons grade Uranium will be sold to these countries (and if it were, it would be more profitable to be resold for nuclear weapons than used for power generation). The cold war, if anything, dramatically decreased the amount of high grade Uranium ore available for global power generation. Maybe this puts the U.S. and Russia in a good position, but this just makes nuclear power generation from a global perspective more expensive.
And why it is inherently flawed. Making separate LVs just protects the stockholders and management from having to report when things go wrong (SPVs). It does not protect the citizens impacted by the damaged economy, or say, the Tokyo residents downwind from the plant. This is how "limited liability" is being used to destroy modern society.
Instead, how about we do not allow banks to become too big to fail or power plants to become so powerful they can make large areas uninhabitable forever?
This is one of the nicer Anon posts I have ever received. However, though I lived North of Tokyo, there is evidence indicating contamination even Southwest of Tokyo. That would imply tens of millions of people will be impacted by this accident, though understanding the actual impact is years, if not decades, away.
Furthermore, Uranium ore has to be gutted from the Earth just like every other non-renewable resource. The yields of uranium ore are certainly decreasing over time, just like oil wells are having to dig deeper and deeper.
With the big picture in mind, I think we need to focus on adopting technologies that are more robust against "acts of God." Our world is more connected than ever, and we have only become more vulnerable to such shocks. We are quickly leaving the realm where something has to be in your backyard to adversely impact your life.
"If we just took your compromise, nothing much would change."
Not a single nuclear plant could operate without government backing. No private insurance company could ever cover such risk. Nuclear plants are just like large banks and absolutely require government backing so that the whole country can share the pain when they screw up.
Sorry, not willing to put much more time in a response to someone who did not even bother to create a Slashdot account. . . Why don't you create an account?
Alright, I take your post as a legitimate testament for plants working within business as usual conditions. However, you have only established that nuclear is the cleaner energy when things go as planned.
Unfortunately, things do not always go according to plan and your experience seems somewhat lacking in that department. How about I compromise and say that you are free to build all the nuclear plants you like, as long as the technology is deemed safe enough that you can actually get private insurance companies (without government intervention) to cover for potential accidents?
But only when things go wrong. That is why companies get governments to "insure" them in case things go bad. With Germany pulling out, perhaps Siemens had to start internalizing some of the costs (especially, liabilities) they had previous assumed that the government would "help" them with back when the government was pro-nuke.
It is funny how Slashdot has so much contempt towards the finance industry when the nuclear industry is so similar in structure. Both take on risks that require government "backing" when things go wrong (and could do enough damage to bring down entire nations). Both result in powerful lobbies that manipulate entire governments. Yet you find very few posts here fighting tooth and nail in order to defend the finance industry . . .
Or be accused of mass MURDER!
Nuclear Slashdot propaganda at its finest . . .
But thanks for supporting my point about Slashdot.
Maybe the German government and Siemens are privy to information you are not. Might be a bit more reasonable than to assume that they are all "just fucking crazy." But perhaps I am just fucking crazy for proposing a contrary idea?
Such posts will get 5 Insightful just because they support the nuclear industry. It has been a peculiar experience to see just how slanted the community is, especially since I was directly impacted by the Fukushima accident.
Unfortunate, though. Slashdot is usually a great place to find opinions from those with first hand experience. However, when it comes to nuclear power, it might as well be a site for the nuclear lobby. Those with first hand experience are either too intimidated to post or accused of being liars when they do.
Duly noted. That is a very beautiful place to live. Hope to return, one day . . .
Fair enough. The furthest North I used their service was Tsukuba-shi (but close to the TX station).
Clearly you do not understand the nature of Fukushima nor Chernobyl, or you would not be making such statements about Fukushima so early on.
Exactly, Softbank were the only ones flexible enough in Japan to do business with Apple. However, you seem intent on disagreeing, so yes . . . I am wrong, you are right . . .
Yeah, Professor Koide of Kyodai even said that the GOJ could not possibly fully compensate the victims of Fukushima (assuming it did so at fair value). Maybe hotshots like Son realize their fortunes might become worthless if Japan does not fix its energy problem, and quick.
Softbank worked great for me in Kanto. You really have to be specific, as the quality of mobile services seems to depend on the region you are in.
Obviously you are not considering population density. Let us have this conversation again 15 years from now.
To use Anon posting for personal attacks against signed-in users must be something only done by those with such low self-esteem and basis for argument that they are unable to socially engage on fair ground. I find it truly disturbing the amount of time you must have wasted on this effort and believe it must stem from some serious social disorder you must be suffering from. Though I am ignoring your post/s, I found it necessary to point out that you are abusing a very useful functionality of Slashdot. Some posters have legitimate reasons for using the Anon feature to allow them to inform our community without compromising their careers or personal safety. Your abuse of this feature risks undermining that which brings otherwise unobtainable information to the community (by increasing the likelihood that all Anon posts will be ignored). In other words, you are hurting the community for selfish and antisocial personal gain. Please stop. Anyone finding themselves in a similar situation are free to reuse the last paragraph. I believe if we respond consistently as a community we can limit the effects of such destructive behavior.