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A Subject: line is better than nothing, but we shouldn't overload it. Maybe someone wants to send email that happens to have that string of characters in the subject.
Better to use a different mail header expressly for this purpose.
This is a valuable project, and I wish them well. However, I hope they're putting real effort into getting a usable product out the door soon.
I for one will be much more motivated to contribute to Mozilla once I'm using it. I think development will happen much faster after it's released, so they should first focus on getting a working package out.
From what I understand, the band members have little or nothing to do with Grateful Dead Productions anymore, sadly. I don't know when or how that happened. But I have heard that the GDP office parties are now populated with suits who complain about the unkempt manner of other guests, who happen to be old-time members of the GD family.
I hope the band now has good, trustworthy help in the legal, promotion, and accounting departments. (And don't tell me the band is no more. That would just show you haven't been paying attention!)
I doubt it. The fact is, the average anybody doesn't have the computer resources of an average/. reader. Please don't forget that as we try to improve society with computers-- most people aren't as privileged as we are. It has nothing to do with race.
Now, I want to get there, and make sure everyone has access to computers if they want it, so no one gets left behind. That's one reason I support open source, and why I push hard for putting workstations in libraries and schools.
And by the way, it's not a slur to call someone poor, or without resources, or without computer knowledge. Please don't act like it is; you're insulting all people less fortunate than yourself when you do so.
I disagree with many, many points in this post. A sampling:
Like it or not, it's a business world.
Not everything in this world is about business (e.g. the Internet, pre-1995). I don't value businesses much at all, and I wish they'd stop trying to control my world. We don't need 'em as much as they think. Same with litigious people.
"It's biology baby, we're gonna fight to keep you out" is the most appalling attitude I have ever heard.
I actually think the analogy of an organism defending itself is very accurate and insightful. The Internet has grown because of a certain culture and set of values, since long before it was ever commercial. It only got as far as it did because of this culture and set of values, which is now responding to an invading force that would cause problems if left unchecked. It's not the people we're keeping out, it's the attitude.
Old-timers are very welcoming to newcomers, but the newcomers have got to understand how not to screw things up. They need to respect what's been there before-- by this I mean respect for the ecosystem, not respect for their elders. If not, the ecosystem will break as surely as our real-world ecosystem is breaking. Old-timers know how the system holds together, and are worth listening to.
I don't agree with what they did. But they did go about it reasonably the right way...
I completely disagree with this. I have a hard time seeing how you can think there was anything "right" about it. They were about as hostile as can be. And talk about arrogant! As Mr. de Raadt says, if they had asked nicely up front, he would have gladly given them a link on his front page. But they didn't even give diplomacy a chance, they came out with guns firing.
Others have *AS MUCH* right to use it as we. Live with it, and don't act like playground bullies if you don't like things.
This is the crux of our argument. We have as much right to use it as they do. And Mr. de Raadt had the domain name first. Theos Software was the one acting like the bully, thinking they could get away with it. All we did was make them stop beating up on Mr. de Raadt. They caused him a lot more problems than we caused them.
Although, aren't crashing servers, voice mail systems going down, and people receiving threats perhaps a little too harsh?!??!
The dispute it over, but how it got there is pretty frightening.
The point is worth considering, but in this case I disagree.
I have little sympathy for Theos Software. I believe their own bullying approach towards Mr. de Raadt was harsher than the treatment they received in return. They were thoroughly arrogant, unapologetically so. They sic'ed their lawyers on their less-powerful victim, and hoped that he would simply roll over and do whatever they asked, no matter how unreasonable. I would like to bankrupt anyone who acts this way, because they surely will again-- it's how they live their life.
Big deal, they got a day of crashed servers. Nowhere near the stress Mr. de Raadt felt from the legal threat (if you've ever been threatened legally, you know what I mean). In simple tit-for-tat, they deserve more than what they got.
I don't know what the "threats" were. Physical threats I'm against. But considering it's a lawyer talking, "threats" could be as simple as "I'm telling my friends never to buy Theos Software." The word "threats" by itself is too vague to put weight on, no matter how ominous it sounds.
Well, its up to the author, of course, but pretty silly as far as I can see. As if Linux users are some kind of elite that are worthy of your program, while other OS's are used by twits who should just be charged to support the core development. If you view of users is that biased, it doesn't say much about you as an author.
Had a bad commute in this morning? Or sensitive to some bad experience in the past?
You misrepresent the view of authors who would support the open-source community. Very few of us over age 14 think of Linux users as "worthy elite" and Windows users as "twits".
Perhaps rephrase your statement as "3. To reward Linux users and promote Linux as a platform." On average, Linux users have contributed more open-source software than Windows users, and perhaps deserve more payback. (The Blender crew has undoubtably reaped the benefits of Linux open-source development.) Also, maybe software authors want to encourage people to switch to Linux, and offer this as incentive. Or maybe they have other reasons that never occurred to you.
Your last sentence "If your view..." is especially non-reality-based. What's the connection? I assume, then, that you are clearly a superior author to Blender's creators? And I assume that you have some finished products to show for it?
You can buy "three-legged fryer" packages in stores, but I never knew they were actually grown that way. Just a stone's throw from the Boneless Chicken Ranch.
I say go for it. Design a protocol and write a simple app for your platform. How hard could it be? You could probably get pretty far in one afternoon. Other people will write the apps for other platforms, if the protocol's simple.
Japanese companies respond much better to respectful and well-reasoned comments, than they do to flames. If you flame, or sound threatening or belligerent, they're more likely to be turned off and will want nothing to do with you.
Any "boycott" or feedback should be phrased as Dag suggested, as in "Gee, we really like your fine Toshiba products, and it's very unfortunate that we will now be unable to buy them from you, even though we want to. Isn't there some way we could work together?"
OK, people, we all know that PR workers from Microsoft do in fact read Slashdot, and try to put a pro-MS spin on things (and anti-ESR sour grapes) while looking like just-your-average-Joe. MS has a long history of pseudo-grassroots media tactics like this.
Now, you (the poster) may or may not be one of those "M$ flaks", but there's little way to know if you don't identify yourself. Don't blame us for being justifiably suspicious.
And I'd prefer a transcript source other than Microsoft-- I hardly consider them an unbiased source. Or honest-- they have a history of altering court evidence and other documents.
James james@jmarshall.com (signing my name in case login doesn't work through this experimental proxy)
Linux succeeds on its quality, not because of Bruce P. or ESR. They may have made their own contributions in their own ways, but IMHO those contributions have not been crucial to Linux and the whole open source movement (which they didn't invent). Linux would still be steamrolling forward without them, with programmers continuing to contribute patches, users telling their friends about it, etc.
Whether or not these two individuals get along will hardly affect Linux' progress. They may be able to do some good if they work things out, but I'm not worried if they don't. Fortunately, the more they argue, the less relevant they become. These kinds of organizations may help a great deal if they ever get their act together, but Linux has done pretty well without them so far.
We shouldn't be distracted by these events like this; we should keep improving the quality of the code (notably ease-of-use), and educating the world about OSS.
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Better to use a different mail header expressly for this purpose.
James
james@jmarshall.com
I for one will be much more motivated to contribute to Mozilla once I'm using it. I think development will happen much faster after it's released, so they should first focus on getting a working package out.
From what I understand, the band members have little or nothing to do with Grateful Dead Productions anymore, sadly. I don't know when or how that happened. But I have heard that the GDP office parties are now populated with suits who complain about the unkempt manner of other guests, who happen to be old-time members of the GD family.
I hope the band now has good, trustworthy help in the legal, promotion, and accounting departments. (And don't tell me the band is no more. That would just show you haven't been paying attention!)
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
James
james@jmarshall.com
I doubt it. The fact is, the average anybody doesn't have the computer resources of an average /. reader. Please don't forget that as we try to improve society with computers-- most people aren't as privileged as we are. It has nothing to do with race.
Now, I want to get there, and make sure everyone has access to computers if they want it, so no one gets left behind. That's one reason I support open source, and why I push hard for putting workstations in libraries and schools.
And by the way, it's not a slur to call someone poor, or without resources, or without computer knowledge. Please don't act like it is; you're insulting all people less fortunate than yourself when you do so.
Respectfully,
James
james@jmarshall.com
I've heard at least one major Silly Valley company is giving everyone the day off. They figure everyone's gonna call in sick anyway.
Like it or not, it's a business world.
Not everything in this world is about business (e.g. the Internet, pre-1995). I don't value businesses much at all, and I wish they'd stop trying to control my world. We don't need 'em as much as they think. Same with litigious people.
"It's biology baby, we're gonna fight to keep you out" is the most appalling attitude I have ever heard.
I actually think the analogy of an organism defending itself is very accurate and insightful. The Internet has grown because of a certain culture and set of values, since long before it was ever commercial. It only got as far as it did because of this culture and set of values, which is now responding to an invading force that would cause problems if left unchecked. It's not the people we're keeping out, it's the attitude.
Old-timers are very welcoming to newcomers, but the newcomers have got to understand how not to screw things up. They need to respect what's been there before-- by this I mean respect for the ecosystem, not respect for their elders. If not, the ecosystem will break as surely as our real-world ecosystem is breaking. Old-timers know how the system holds together, and are worth listening to.
I don't agree with what they did. But they did go about it reasonably the right way...
I completely disagree with this. I have a hard time seeing how you can think there was anything "right" about it. They were about as hostile as can be. And talk about arrogant! As Mr. de Raadt says, if they had asked nicely up front, he would have gladly given them a link on his front page. But they didn't even give diplomacy a chance, they came out with guns firing.
Others have *AS MUCH* right to use it as we. Live with it, and don't act like playground bullies if you don't like things.
This is the crux of our argument. We have as much right to use it as they do. And Mr. de Raadt had the domain name first. Theos Software was the one acting like the bully, thinking they could get away with it. All we did was make them stop beating up on Mr. de Raadt. They caused him a lot more problems than we caused them.
James
The dispute it over, but how it got there is pretty frightening.
The point is worth considering, but in this case I disagree.
I have little sympathy for Theos Software. I believe their own bullying approach towards Mr. de Raadt was harsher than the treatment they received in return. They were thoroughly arrogant, unapologetically so. They sic'ed their lawyers on their less-powerful victim, and hoped that he would simply roll over and do whatever they asked, no matter how unreasonable. I would like to bankrupt anyone who acts this way, because they surely will again-- it's how they live their life.
Big deal, they got a day of crashed servers. Nowhere near the stress Mr. de Raadt felt from the legal threat (if you've ever been threatened legally, you know what I mean). In simple tit-for-tat, they deserve more than what they got.
I don't know what the "threats" were. Physical threats I'm against. But considering it's a lawyer talking, "threats" could be as simple as "I'm telling my friends never to buy Theos Software." The word "threats" by itself is too vague to put weight on, no matter how ominous it sounds.
James
Well, its up to the author, of course, but pretty silly as far as I can see. As if Linux users are some kind of elite that are worthy of your program, while other OS's are used by twits who should just be charged to support the core development. If you view of users is that biased, it doesn't say much about you as an author.
Had a bad commute in this morning? Or sensitive to some bad experience in the past?
You misrepresent the view of authors who would support the open-source community. Very few of us over age 14 think of Linux users as "worthy elite" and Windows users as "twits".
Perhaps rephrase your statement as "3. To reward Linux users and promote Linux as a platform." On average, Linux users have contributed more open-source software than Windows users, and perhaps deserve more payback. (The Blender crew has undoubtably reaped the benefits of Linux open-source development.) Also, maybe software authors want to encourage people to switch to Linux, and offer this as incentive. Or maybe they have other reasons that never occurred to you.
Your last sentence "If your view..." is especially non-reality-based. What's the connection? I assume, then, that you are clearly a superior author to Blender's creators? And I assume that you have some finished products to show for it?
James
james@jmarshall.com
Serious security problems, potentially, a real can of worms.
Suddenly, the phrases "crash the server" and "Ping O' Death" rise to a grim new level of literal reality.
Vegetarianly yours,
James
Hey Casady,
I say go for it. Design a protocol and write a simple app for your platform. How hard could it be? You could probably get pretty far in one afternoon. Other people will write the apps for other platforms, if the protocol's simple.
James
james@jmarshall.com
Japanese companies respond much better to respectful and well-reasoned comments, than they do to flames. If you flame, or sound threatening or belligerent, they're more likely to be turned off and will want nothing to do with you.
Any "boycott" or feedback should be phrased as Dag suggested, as in "Gee, we really like your fine Toshiba products, and it's very unfortunate that we will now be unable to buy them from you, even though we want to. Isn't there some way we could work together?"
So what marketing genius came up with the name "Hummer", anyway? ;) I always crack up when I hear it.
OK, people, we all know that PR workers from Microsoft do in fact read Slashdot, and try to put a pro-MS spin on things (and anti-ESR sour grapes) while looking like just-your-average-Joe. MS has a long history of pseudo-grassroots media tactics like this.
Now, you (the poster) may or may not be one of those "M$ flaks", but there's little way to know if you don't identify yourself. Don't blame us for being justifiably suspicious.
And I'd prefer a transcript source other than Microsoft-- I hardly consider them an unbiased source. Or honest-- they have a history of altering court evidence and other documents.
James
james@jmarshall.com
(signing my name in case login doesn't work through this experimental proxy)
Whether or not these two individuals get along will hardly affect Linux' progress. They may be able to do some good if they work things out, but I'm not worried if they don't. Fortunately, the more they argue, the less relevant they become. These kinds of organizations may help a great deal if they ever get their act together, but Linux has done pretty well without them so far.
We shouldn't be distracted by these events like this; we should keep improving the quality of the code (notably ease-of-use), and educating the world about OSS.
"Stay on target... stay on target..."
James
james@jmarshall.com