All I can say is that does not agree with my experience. I've been hit (accidently) with one, and I guarantee it hurt. And this wasn't swung with any force, just some one gesturing around and not watching what he was doing, I had a bruis for a few days of significant size.
Just to make shure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking a tube of METAL containing 4+ heavy d-batteries swung at the end of an adult arm.
Mag-light is often used to refer to a whole class of flashlights, some made very cheaply and flismy, those might give enough to only be painfull.
The ones I'm used to however (actual mag-light brand from a few year ago) can be used to break a two by for in half and only muss the paint a little.
Mycroft
It's quite possible that explains the occurance of flashbacks, I honestly don't have a good explanation as to how they occur, only certain knowledge that they do.
There are a few wierd things about Brandon Lee's death.
Fair warning this is a bit tin-foil hat-ish/grassy knoll type stuff.
Where my mom worked one of the regular patrons was a retired property manager who used to work in the movies, he'd retired about five years previously and moved back near family.
He said the whole thing sounded really bad as when he was a property manager NO guns capable of firing LIVE rounds were alowed anywhere near the set. And live rounds also were verboten. This was before they changed the story. Originaly the story was someone had loaded a live round into a gun by mistake.
Now that's a hard mistake to make even if you have live rounds and a gun that can fire them on set, against all the rules, at the same time. Blanks are visibly different and shorter because they lack the bullet itself and have a wad of cloth or simular material held into the caseing by it being crimped. Also every gun used in a shooting scene carefully checked over by several people all to make shure it's safe to use.
Of course they changed that few months later to say what killed Brandon was a piece of shrapnel where the gun malfunctioned.
This is all just a few weeks after Brandon said he was begining to have doubts about the official story behind his fathers death. Somthing he'd always accepted despite the rumors Bruce was killed for sharing secrets with westerners.
Now likely it's just as advertised, but still the oddities make for interesting speculation.
Yes anectedotal evidence is only really good at giving you ideas for proper studies.
I will however submit I've yet to see a single exception to better cognitively sober vs stoned. Myself being a rather extreem example sadly. I go from Mesna member to not even able to speak 3 words in a row without losing the thought. I mostly just sit there staring blankly.
You quote one example of someone who is a) very smart, and B) a significant user. That isn't any contradiction to my statement however which is purely relative to the TWO states in a single individual. I submit it's likely she goes from outstandinly smart stoned to even smarter sober. I know a couple of people like that myself.
Well as far as 'lowered IQ' it was meant as an euphemism for somthing I found to be nearly universal. EVERYONE I've ever been around personaly was at best almost as good stoned and sober at anything requiring thought or significant action.
Some have mentioned some introspective tasks are improved, or at least a fresh perspective gained. That makes some sense and I can understand where for some that might be true. Being a subjective thing however we each only take the others word for it. In my case as I went along my tolerance built up backwards untill I turned into a drooler after just a couple a puffs, couldn't even think coherently. Let alone talk.
It would seem (and this is a spot hypothises not really thought through yet) that perhaps it's the object mind that is suppressed as it were. This would leave the subjective mind to do it's own thing. If so it might make hypnotizing the stoned easier, giving it some theraputic value in that regard. Still I am just spouting off the top of my head based on comments and observations here.
That's still alot better than I did. I already have add/adhd. I was lucky to be able to say three words in a row right.
At best I was a drooler who had trouble looking at the wall.
You can see why I gave up on it pretty quick.
There is a qualitative and rather obvious difference between non-lsd tracers and those when under the effect. I can tell you for the first 18+ months approx after I last tried LSD, I had occasion to see the SAME kind as LSD induces.
I've seen both the minor visual anomaly you speak of, and the full blown lsd style tracers, the difference is so big it's not even worth suggesting confusing the two.
We're talking the difference between stepping of a curb and barly noticing it and repelling 40+ feet face first (which is a blast!).
I'm NOT a guy who knows a guy I'm me, some of those anectedotes are PERSONAL first hand experience. A good many more are from friends of 10+years.
And linking to a single newsgroup post that's no better than the discussion here does little to support your statement that flashbacks don't happen.
The second link looks a bit better, and deffinately *supports* the existance of flashbacks, and agrees in general with my experience other than it seems to indicate that flashbacks are less likely to stop occuring after a time than my experience would indicate. Though to be honest I have not delt with the 'erowid' site or Dr Henry David Abraham. However It does have the apearance of validity and if it's faked it's done well enough to fool a non-expert or even an educated layman.
Mental trauma comes from experience, a bad trip can be a very bad experience. Shure it's all in the head, so are MOST mental traumas. Psycological trauma isn't like brain cancer, you don't have to damage the brain to cause it. Now most trauma will heal in time, but I could easily see a very bad trip affecting someone for a few years, and someone contemplating trying LSD should consider this, but not right befor taking it. How you go into the trip is gonna have significant impact on it. If someone is going to try it, they should try a very small dose the first time and bring a positive mindset.
LSD is a bit more than just a SRI, prozac zoloft and others are sri's and have very different effects for the most part. Also google has 'about 2,120,000' results on a search for LSD, this drops to 'about 115,000' if the search terms are study,research, and lsd.
Mostly I just don't want people taking it lightly, or believing flashbacks don't happen.
The truth is LSD can have significant effects and is NOT for everyone. No one should take it believing it's no big deal and nothing bad can happen or with false information about what can and can't happen. The main reasons I would recomend against it are all side effects of it being illeagle. No controll over purity or dosage, if a professional of some sort is needed for someone those who are still o.k. hesitate for fear of jail, and you can't make an apoint to have a professional there ahead of time.
If it was leagal I'd be tempted to try it again, but as it is no way.
Well when I say 'lowers IQ', it's more of a lose catch all phrase for what I see in my smoking friends and others.
They clearly cannot think or reason as fast, and somtime not as clearly, as when sober. They also tend to lose track of what they're thinking.
Now I've worked with people who swear they 'work harder' or 'work better' when high. I've found without exception this is self delusion. Usually they screw up more, go slower, and lose track of what thier doing. Best results I've seen is from people who've built up significant tolerance on 'just a ligh buzz' are only a little slower is all.
That said it is great for improving apetite, reducing nausea, and relaxing someone. It's known to be mildly helpfull with glaucoma patients. It also has anti-siezure benifits that sometimes works for epileptics when nothing else will to prevent or reduce grand maul type siezures.
And may have other benifits. At the very least it's benifit for chemo patients is worth the minor negatives.
It's just that anytime someone tell me they do X better high I know thier full of it unless X is eat lots of nachos.
No not always. And trust me tracers are NOT an under the radar thing. ever see a picture with a dozen or more 'echos' following it, like a strobe effect? kinda like that.
Another thing that happens with flashbacks is shift in mental state, like what happens when tripping.
Now not everyone in my experience has them. How many (indeed if) and how strong seems linked to usage, 1 hit once and I doubt you'll have any. but 2-4 hits 3-4 times a week for a year and your gonna see things melt in a flashback unless you have some natural resistance. They also tend to fade with time. I know of no counter-examples to them fading out, closest is a guy who used massively, used other drugs with, and got electroshock therapy during re-hab, so his case is a-typical and to complex to attribute effects clearly. It really seems to be very minor unless you use lsd fairly heavily, and personal chemistry has an effect.
Sorry. I've heard that exact line from so many people, some otherwise capable of rational thought, that I didn't realize you were quoting Simpsons. It happens alot when you tell people you usualy vote for a third party (libertarian).
Also I avoid tv except two shows these days, and totaly avoided it during most of the simpsons timeframe. At first because I lived so far from civilization that I got 2 snowy channels at best for a year, and when I moved in where I could get tv, it all seems so stupid and lame. amazing what getting away from a 'crack habbit' like tv can do to your perspective.
I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. I've had flashbacks of low severity, I know the difference from normal mindset and lsd mindset. I know what tracers are, and how they can occur. And I know several individuals who have flashbacks significant enough to show that they're not just subtle shifts in mindset. Seeing leaves change colors and melt and other such hallucinations does not happen to ordinary people in the same frequency as people who've done LSD. Nor are many of the other symptoms I've had described. So unless you want to try and tell me people who have no reason to bs me, are not prone to tall tales, and in many cases don't know one another, are all lying to me, they do happen more than rarely. Saying they don't happen is simply false, I know better from having had them.
How about you link to some of this 'research'. Since it's illeagle in the usa I would be very suprised to see research here by mainstream science.
And saying a bad trip is no big deal is BS, having seen one friend go through a relatively minor one, and knowing a guy who went through worse. Please stop feeding this crap to people, your going to get traumatized for life with your carelessness. It's one thing to realize such things should be personal choice, but to encourage others to take such risks and feed them bs about such risks is moraly reprehensible.
Dammit, you may be right, I swear it was an accident. I was looking for funny. Crap and I try to avoid most slashdot 'sins'. Well at least I've managed to avoid trollery and Flaimbaitage. I've given up on off-topicness along time ago.
Then I must exist some sort of statistical fluke, nearly everyone I've ever met who's tried it more than once has had at least a few flashbacks. I count at least a dozen. One guy was having them years(5+) later with leaves turning colors, in summer.
Yeah the guy who had issues as much as said he did A LOT of acid (8-10 hits every weekend day, for over three years) and that the cocain and occasional meth and electroshock where bad for him. He never quite re-connected, but he wasn't totaly gone eigther, most of the time he could do alright, just seemed a little odd. So I don't count his experiences towards much other than DONT DO WHAT HE DID!
Intense flashbacks are rare, and usually indicate a pattern of heavy usage over an extended period of time. Flashbacks, based on the dozen or two people I've talked to, occure in frequency and intesity in proportion to usage. It also varies with individual difference. I only did about 7 hits over 3 occasions and had very minor (mild tracers, slight shift of mental perspective) a dozen times or so over the next 18-24 months. Another friend of mine two hits once, he had two incedences of minor tracers during the next 3 months, nothing since. Another, the exception in my experience, did 5 hits on two occasions and only reported feeling alittle odd once a week after the second occasion, but not odd like lsd.
One guy I knew who used to sell LSD and had a lifetime total in the mid 30's had minor flashbacks on a weekly basis, and during the year I knew him had one full blown trip, he commented that since he'd stoped doing LSD the strength and frequency had droped off considerably. I saw him after his wedding 3 years later and asked how he was, and amoung other things mentions his flashbacks had become rare and were never more than tracers anymore. One close friend with a slightly higher life-total had somwhat weaker flashbacks that faded faster after he quit.
Now you can say thier rare, and perhaps they are and my experiences and those of about 15 people I've met are unusual, but I think the fact that it's been illeagal for close to 30 years thus reducing the possibility for scientific studies, I doubt it.
Nah, from what I hear that was near limit for mushrooms. About average for lsd.
Figure 7-9 hours for lsd (outside odd cases or massive under/over dose) and about 6-8 for mushrooms. Note I only have second hand info for mushrooms.
I know your not serious, but that really is a bad idea, blanks can and have killed.
There was a tv show about some spy's pretending to be models or some such back in the 80's, the main actor killed himself that way screwing around.
Same actor that had just done a time travel series with some kid, where they went around fixing historical 'glitches', like the one where Francis Scott Key accidently droped his only copy of a certain famous poem on a street.
Can you point to the law that says this. Last I checked it was an urban myth, but if somthing has change I'd like to hear it (could be, I haven't checked in many years).
One Word: Flashbacks.
In my case they were rare and minor (mostly just tracers and an odd mindset) and vanished after a couple years, but I only did a small amount 3 times. I've known a couple of people who've had full blown trips years afterwords.
And one guy who never did fully re-connect. I only met him a few times, but the second time he'd been trying to figure out which side of the mirror he was on. Admittedly he also did other heavy drugs(cocain mostly, meth once in a while), and did shock therapy during recovery after he finally realized he needed it.
Well I for one WILL say they can be dangerous or damaging. Some simply are.
And I HAVE tried pot and lsd. Not in great quantities, but more than once.
It was quite a while ago. My take is that I did learn from them, and value the experience. But also I can see bad roads leading from those places and would caution AGAINST experimentation. If there were leagle and safe methods of use with trained professionals it would be different. But currently it can be a crap shoot.
Pot is nearly harmless, and has some medical value. But to many make it such a big part of thier life it gets in the way, just like some people with drinking. I wouldn't hesistate to give it a leagle standing on par with drinking however.
LSD is more serious. Yes you can gain some interesting points of view from it, and I really enjoyed the talk your ass off philosophical part of it. But it can exagerate any mental state so much, if you have a bad state going in it can hurt you. Also some try large doses to get the 'halucinations' that thier mental state ruins any chance of getting anything but 'wierd' (if lucky) out of it.
I wouldn't go back in time and undo my experiences of years ago even if I could. I don't want to repeat them eigther.
My advice would be not to try lsd, and pot only in a safe environment, and around friends you trust, preferably in a country where it's leagal, because here in the US it is not. And don't lose perspective if you really must try pot, you don't want to make it a significant part of your life. If you must try it, do a small amount once or twice then move on.
I guarantee it lowers your IQ while stoned. I've known, and still know, lots of people who've used it and once past just a little they lose smarts till they sober up, and most of the time swear the opposite, kinda like the drunk who thinks he can drive just fine.
Actually they both work. In one method the thugs kill/drive off everyone else. problem mostly solved.
In the other the thugs all get killed/driven off, problem mostly solved.
Neigther works overnight. Just too many on both sides. There are fewer thugs, but they tend to hide.
I say mostly because there will ALWAYS be more thugs. Now you can incourage that by apeasment, or discourage that by removal.
Are you, or have you consulted, a lawyer on this subject? I strongly suspect there is SOMTHING they can nail you on if they want (your link is to a blank page btw). I had a friend going somwhere where a sword would be appropriate (someplace where a fantasy costume made sense) and he was told that a sword, in scabbard, was a concealed weapon. When he offered to carry it out, the cop said that would be 'brandishing' a weapon.
Now I've seen cops make stuff up to stop someone from doing somthing problematical and likely stupid, yet leagle, and that may have been the case.
My point is that assumptions here can land you some serious problems.
You'd be suprised how things can be interpreted in the law if you are not already familiar with said.IANAL but I have read some of the crazy things in the law books. I repeate IANAL
Unfortunately the best solution to your problem that I can see short of forming a watch is not a free one.
What you can do is get a very bright spotlight, focus it on the area such that the neigbors are not bothered by the light. Also consider a sign informing them they are on camera.
I would suggest protecting the spotlight so a bb-gun or thrown liquor bottle can't break it. If they start trying to damage the light you have a more serious complaint to make to the police and so on.
Slashdot Mirror
All I can say is that does not agree with my experience. I've been hit (accidently) with one, and I guarantee it hurt. And this wasn't swung with any force, just some one gesturing around and not watching what he was doing, I had a bruis for a few days of significant size.
Just to make shure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking a tube of METAL containing 4+ heavy d-batteries swung at the end of an adult arm.
Mag-light is often used to refer to a whole class of flashlights, some made very cheaply and flismy, those might give enough to only be painfull.
The ones I'm used to however (actual mag-light brand from a few year ago) can be used to break a two by for in half and only muss the paint a little.
Mycroft
It's quite possible that explains the occurance of flashbacks, I honestly don't have a good explanation as to how they occur, only certain knowledge that they do.
Mycroft
There are a few wierd things about Brandon Lee's death.
Fair warning this is a bit tin-foil hat-ish/grassy knoll type stuff.
Where my mom worked one of the regular patrons was a retired property manager who used to work in the movies, he'd retired about five years previously and moved back near family.
He said the whole thing sounded really bad as when he was a property manager NO guns capable of firing LIVE rounds were alowed anywhere near the set. And live rounds also were verboten. This was before they changed the story. Originaly the story was someone had loaded a live round into a gun by mistake.
Now that's a hard mistake to make even if you have live rounds and a gun that can fire them on set, against all the rules, at the same time. Blanks are visibly different and shorter because they lack the bullet itself and have a wad of cloth or simular material held into the caseing by it being crimped. Also every gun used in a shooting scene carefully checked over by several people all to make shure it's safe to use.
Of course they changed that few months later to say what killed Brandon was a piece of shrapnel where the gun malfunctioned.
This is all just a few weeks after Brandon said he was begining to have doubts about the official story behind his fathers death. Somthing he'd always accepted despite the rumors Bruce was killed for sharing secrets with westerners.
Now likely it's just as advertised, but still the oddities make for interesting speculation.
Mycroft
Yes anectedotal evidence is only really good at giving you ideas for proper studies.
I will however submit I've yet to see a single exception to better cognitively sober vs stoned. Myself being a rather extreem example sadly. I go from Mesna member to not even able to speak 3 words in a row without losing the thought. I mostly just sit there staring blankly.
You quote one example of someone who is a) very smart, and B) a significant user. That isn't any contradiction to my statement however which is purely relative to the TWO states in a single individual. I submit it's likely she goes from outstandinly smart stoned to even smarter sober. I know a couple of people like that myself.
Mycroft
Well as far as 'lowered IQ' it was meant as an euphemism for somthing I found to be nearly universal. EVERYONE I've ever been around personaly was at best almost as good stoned and sober at anything requiring thought or significant action.
Some have mentioned some introspective tasks are improved, or at least a fresh perspective gained. That makes some sense and I can understand where for some that might be true. Being a subjective thing however we each only take the others word for it. In my case as I went along my tolerance built up backwards untill I turned into a drooler after just a couple a puffs, couldn't even think coherently. Let alone talk.
It would seem (and this is a spot hypothises not really thought through yet) that perhaps it's the object mind that is suppressed as it were. This would leave the subjective mind to do it's own thing. If so it might make hypnotizing the stoned easier, giving it some theraputic value in that regard. Still I am just spouting off the top of my head based on comments and observations here.
Mycroft
That's still alot better than I did. I already have add/adhd. I was lucky to be able to say three words in a row right.
At best I was a drooler who had trouble looking at the wall.
You can see why I gave up on it pretty quick.
Mycroft
There is a qualitative and rather obvious difference between non-lsd tracers and those when under the effect. I can tell you for the first 18+ months approx after I last tried LSD, I had occasion to see the SAME kind as LSD induces.
I've seen both the minor visual anomaly you speak of, and the full blown lsd style tracers, the difference is so big it's not even worth suggesting confusing the two.
We're talking the difference between stepping of a curb and barly noticing it and repelling 40+ feet face first (which is a blast!).
Mycroft
I'm NOT a guy who knows a guy I'm me, some of those anectedotes are PERSONAL first hand experience. A good many more are from friends of 10+years.
And linking to a single newsgroup post that's no better than the discussion here does little to support your statement that flashbacks don't happen.
The second link looks a bit better, and deffinately *supports* the existance of flashbacks, and agrees in general with my experience other than it seems to indicate that flashbacks are less likely to stop occuring after a time than my experience would indicate. Though to be honest I have not delt with the 'erowid' site or Dr Henry David Abraham. However It does have the apearance of validity and if it's faked it's done well enough to fool a non-expert or even an educated layman.
Mental trauma comes from experience, a bad trip can be a very bad experience. Shure it's all in the head, so are MOST mental traumas. Psycological trauma isn't like brain cancer, you don't have to damage the brain to cause it. Now most trauma will heal in time, but I could easily see a very bad trip affecting someone for a few years, and someone contemplating trying LSD should consider this, but not right befor taking it. How you go into the trip is gonna have significant impact on it. If someone is going to try it, they should try a very small dose the first time and bring a positive mindset.
LSD is a bit more than just a SRI, prozac zoloft and others are sri's and have very different effects for the most part.
Also google has 'about 2,120,000' results on a search for LSD, this drops to 'about 115,000' if the search terms are study,research, and lsd.
Mostly I just don't want people taking it lightly, or believing flashbacks don't happen.
The truth is LSD can have significant effects and is NOT for everyone. No one should take it believing it's no big deal and nothing bad can happen or with false information about what can and can't happen. The main reasons I would recomend against it are all side effects of it being illeagle. No controll over purity or dosage, if a professional of some sort is needed for someone those who are still o.k. hesitate for fear of jail, and you can't make an apoint to have a professional there ahead of time.
If it was leagal I'd be tempted to try it again, but as it is no way.
Mycroft
Well when I say 'lowers IQ', it's more of a lose catch all phrase for what I see in my smoking friends and others.
They clearly cannot think or reason as fast, and somtime not as clearly, as when sober. They also tend to lose track of what they're thinking.
Now I've worked with people who swear they 'work harder' or 'work better' when high. I've found without exception this is self delusion. Usually they screw up more, go slower, and lose track of what thier doing. Best results I've seen is from people who've built up significant tolerance on 'just a ligh buzz' are only a little slower is all.
That said it is great for improving apetite, reducing nausea, and relaxing someone. It's known to be mildly helpfull with glaucoma patients. It also has anti-siezure benifits that sometimes works for epileptics when nothing else will to prevent or reduce grand maul type siezures.
And may have other benifits. At the very least it's benifit for chemo patients is worth the minor negatives.
It's just that anytime someone tell me they do X better high I know thier full of it unless X is eat lots of nachos.
Mycroft
No not always. And trust me tracers are NOT an under the radar thing. ever see a picture with a dozen or more 'echos' following it, like a strobe effect? kinda like that.
Another thing that happens with flashbacks is shift in mental state, like what happens when tripping.
Now not everyone in my experience has them. How many (indeed if) and how strong seems linked to usage, 1 hit once and I doubt you'll have any. but 2-4 hits 3-4 times a week for a year and your gonna see things melt in a flashback unless you have some natural resistance. They also tend to fade with time. I know of no counter-examples to them fading out, closest is a guy who used massively, used other drugs with, and got electroshock therapy during re-hab, so his case is a-typical and to complex to attribute effects clearly. It really seems to be very minor unless you use lsd fairly heavily, and personal chemistry has an effect.
Mycroft
Sorry. I've heard that exact line from so many people, some otherwise capable of rational thought, that I didn't realize you were quoting Simpsons. It happens alot when you tell people you usualy vote for a third party (libertarian).
Also I avoid tv except two shows these days, and totaly avoided it during most of the simpsons timeframe. At first because I lived so far from civilization that I got 2 snowy channels at best for a year, and when I moved in where I could get tv, it all seems so stupid and lame. amazing what getting away from a 'crack habbit' like tv can do to your perspective.
Mycroft
I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. I've had flashbacks of low severity, I know the difference from normal mindset and lsd mindset. I know what tracers are, and how they can occur. And I know several individuals who have flashbacks significant enough to show that they're not just subtle shifts in mindset. Seeing leaves change colors and melt and other such hallucinations does not happen to ordinary people in the same frequency as people who've done LSD. Nor are many of the other symptoms I've had described. So unless you want to try and tell me people who have no reason to bs me, are not prone to tall tales, and in many cases don't know one another, are all lying to me, they do happen more than rarely. Saying they don't happen is simply false, I know better from having had them.
How about you link to some of this 'research'. Since it's illeagle in the usa I would be very suprised to see research here by mainstream science.
And saying a bad trip is no big deal is BS, having seen one friend go through a relatively minor one, and knowing a guy who went through worse. Please stop feeding this crap to people, your going to get traumatized for life with your carelessness. It's one thing to realize such things should be personal choice, but to encourage others to take such risks and feed them bs about such risks is moraly reprehensible.
Mycroft
I never said it was harm, I said it happened. Some try to say otherwise, or that it's rare, but personal experience proves to me otherwise.
Mycroft
Dammit, you may be right, I swear it was an accident. I was looking for funny. Crap and I try to avoid most slashdot 'sins'. Well at least I've managed to avoid trollery and Flaimbaitage. I've given up on off-topicness along time ago.
Mycroft
Mods will probably sink this for saying it. But I think they deliberately go against any atempt to predict thier down modding.
Mycroft
Then I must exist some sort of statistical fluke, nearly everyone I've ever met who's tried it more than once has had at least a few flashbacks. I count at least a dozen. One guy was having them years(5+) later with leaves turning colors, in summer.
Yeah the guy who had issues as much as said he did A LOT of acid (8-10 hits every weekend day, for over three years) and that the cocain and occasional meth and electroshock where bad for him. He never quite re-connected, but he wasn't totaly gone eigther, most of the time he could do alright, just seemed a little odd. So I don't count his experiences towards much other than DONT DO WHAT HE DID!
Intense flashbacks are rare, and usually indicate a pattern of heavy usage over an extended period of time. Flashbacks, based on the dozen or two people I've talked to, occure in frequency and intesity in proportion to usage. It also varies with individual difference. I only did about 7 hits over 3 occasions and had very minor (mild tracers, slight shift of mental perspective) a dozen times or so over the next 18-24 months. Another friend of mine two hits once, he had two incedences of minor tracers during the next 3 months, nothing since. Another, the exception in my experience, did 5 hits on two occasions and only reported feeling alittle odd once a week after the second occasion, but not odd like lsd.
One guy I knew who used to sell LSD and had a lifetime total in the mid 30's had minor flashbacks on a weekly basis, and during the year I knew him had one full blown trip, he commented that since he'd stoped doing LSD the strength and frequency had droped off considerably. I saw him after his wedding 3 years later and asked how he was, and amoung other things mentions his flashbacks had become rare and were never more than tracers anymore. One close friend with a slightly higher life-total had somwhat weaker flashbacks that faded faster after he quit.
Now you can say thier rare, and perhaps they are and my experiences and those of about 15 people I've met are unusual, but I think the fact that it's been illeagal for close to 30 years thus reducing the possibility for scientific studies, I doubt it.
Mycroft
Nah, from what I hear that was near limit for mushrooms. About average for lsd.
Figure 7-9 hours for lsd (outside odd cases or massive under/over dose) and about 6-8 for mushrooms. Note I only have second hand info for mushrooms.
Mycroft
I know your not serious, but that really is a bad idea, blanks can and have killed.
There was a tv show about some spy's pretending to be models or some such back in the 80's, the main actor killed himself that way screwing around.
Same actor that had just done a time travel series with some kid, where they went around fixing historical 'glitches', like the one where Francis Scott Key accidently droped his only copy of a certain famous poem on a street.
Mycroft
Can you point to the law that says this. Last I checked it was an urban myth, but if somthing has change I'd like to hear it (could be, I haven't checked in many years).
Mycroft
One Word: Flashbacks.
In my case they were rare and minor (mostly just tracers and an odd mindset) and vanished after a couple years, but I only did a small amount 3 times. I've known a couple of people who've had full blown trips years afterwords.
And one guy who never did fully re-connect. I only met him a few times, but the second time he'd been trying to figure out which side of the mirror he was on. Admittedly he also did other heavy drugs(cocain mostly, meth once in a while), and did shock therapy during recovery after he finally realized he needed it.
Mycroft
Well I for one WILL say they can be dangerous or damaging. Some simply are.
And I HAVE tried pot and lsd. Not in great quantities, but more than once.
It was quite a while ago. My take is that I did learn from them, and value the experience. But also I can see bad roads leading from those places and would caution AGAINST experimentation. If there were leagle and safe methods of use with trained professionals it would be different. But currently it can be a crap shoot.
Pot is nearly harmless, and has some medical value. But to many make it such a big part of thier life it gets in the way, just like some people with drinking. I wouldn't hesistate to give it a leagle standing on par with drinking however.
LSD is more serious. Yes you can gain some interesting points of view from it, and I really enjoyed the talk your ass off philosophical part of it. But it can exagerate any mental state so much, if you have a bad state going in it can hurt you. Also some try large doses to get the 'halucinations' that thier mental state ruins any chance of getting anything but 'wierd' (if lucky) out of it.
I wouldn't go back in time and undo my experiences of years ago even if I could. I don't want to repeat them eigther.
My advice would be not to try lsd, and pot only in a safe environment, and around friends you trust, preferably in a country where it's leagal, because here in the US it is not. And don't lose perspective if you really must try pot, you don't want to make it a significant part of your life. If you must try it, do a small amount once or twice then move on.
I guarantee it lowers your IQ while stoned. I've known, and still know, lots of people who've used it and once past just a little they lose smarts till they sober up, and most of the time swear the opposite, kinda like the drunk who thinks he can drive just fine.
Mycroft
Considering my family history, I'll be happy to breathing at 70, let alone with it.
Mycroft
Actually they both work. In one method the thugs kill/drive off everyone else. problem mostly solved.
In the other the thugs all get killed/driven off, problem mostly solved.
Neigther works overnight. Just too many on both sides. There are fewer thugs, but they tend to hide.
I say mostly because there will ALWAYS be more thugs. Now you can incourage that by apeasment, or discourage that by removal.
Mycroft
Are you, or have you consulted, a lawyer on this subject? I strongly suspect there is SOMTHING they can nail you on if they want (your link is to a blank page btw). I had a friend going somwhere where a sword would be appropriate (someplace where a fantasy costume made sense) and he was told that a sword, in scabbard, was a concealed weapon. When he offered to carry it out, the cop said that would be 'brandishing' a weapon.
Now I've seen cops make stuff up to stop someone from doing somthing problematical and likely stupid, yet leagle, and that may have been the case.
My point is that assumptions here can land you some serious problems.
You'd be suprised how things can be interpreted in the law if you are not already familiar with said.IANAL but I have read some of the crazy things in the law books.
I repeate IANAL
Mycroft
Unfortunately the best solution to your problem that I can see short of forming a watch is not a free one.
What you can do is get a very bright spotlight, focus it on the area such that the neigbors are not bothered by the light. Also consider a sign informing them they are on camera.
I would suggest protecting the spotlight so a bb-gun or thrown liquor bottle can't break it. If they start trying to damage the light you have a more serious complaint to make to the police and so on.
Mycroft