Just to be the devil's advocate, what happens when you can't befriend them? The US has been trying to make friends in various ways (by being friendly, by fighting for them, by buying them off, by helping in emergency situations) for decades.
The question is: who do we trust, and after what time period? How long are we to be 'friends' with, say, North Korea, until we're actually *friends* with them?
Until we have 'friends' that we're sure have no long-term goals of conquest against *us*, we have to stay ahead of the military curve.
I'm all for extending the olive branch, but keep the.44 mag behind your back just in case.
Also, just to stay on topic, the practical non-military use of this is as a development step towards a cheap payload launcher (putting 'stuff' into orbit w/out massive booster burns).
What you're missing is that the average person who has a concealed carry permit (like myself) has been shooting for years. In my case, I'm 21 now and I got my first gun as a gift when I was 8. My family may be a little more gun-nutty than most (in fact, I was an internationa revolover champion when I was 14) but the fact remains that for "real" Americans, firearms are part of the culture. It's only in the last 20-30 years that guns became "bad". My father used to take his newest rifle to high school to show his friends. Blame liberals : )
None of my machines have less that 512 megs of RAM, (or more than 1.8GB) and I never use swap...never have a problem with it. It's faster because drive access doesn't have to compete w/ swap (even on SATA it's annoying).
Okay...I lied. Does anybody else use Pan? I mean..wtf?! When I run Pan it's more like
According to everything I've read, interop. between IPSwan and...well, basically anything else is shoddy at best. Trying to get Windows 2000 or XP to work with FreeSwan is not something a normal technician could do on a service call. Windows 95/98/ME is basically out the question. I may be wrong, but that's the impression I get.
It's an organization that took over an old elem. school. The ship clothes, equipment, medical supplies, and computer stuff to missionaries overseas. They always want help because the Christian mission life can be really rough in some of those countries where they kill you for it. Right now there trying to help an upstart Christian ISP in Africa get a foothold (the country is so poor the government buys their access from the Christian ISP....)
Doubley worthy cause, if your looking for that. I don't know that they need programming help, but repairing and building is always fun, and it's a great place to be. Full of hope-inspired people.
Remember that the essential arguement behind your thing is that the Constitution would be a valid document. In the midst of a military takeover, just see how long the Constitution stays valid...hmm...maybe 30 seconds before the first missle strike? Now do you see the danger? The Constitution can only stay effective if 1) Our leaders are incredibly benovolent and allow us to or 2) we have some way of resisting a forceful change. Now ask some of the countries who are under military dictators which *they* think is more likely to keep.
Uh..I'm still waiting for this supposed Linux hype and hysteria. When a new Debian release is accompanied by reports on the 6oclock news like a certain other OS was about 5 years, *then* we have hype. Right now, the exposure of Linux has been in a couple IT magazines, places like slashdot, and linux IRC channels. Right now, which has more consumer recognition: Windows, MacOS, or Linux?
A lot of people have made excellent points. However, a good number of geeks (dealing with computers here. IRC geeks, sysops, network junkies) do fall squarly into the Godless-liberal-hethan column. However, true "social" geeks (not neccesarily an outcast, most of us don't like other people anyway..can I get an Amen?) generally do have a belief in God or some other higher entity, and tend to be conservative. Most of the geeks I know view liberals as another force seeking to control private lives. Isn't that about right anyway? The conservative wing is generally more for private rights and self reliance while the liberals tend to think that everyone is too weak to fend for themselves, so they have to be regulated into protection.
As my dad would say, "Protect themselves from their own stupidity."
At the end of it, most geeks tend to agree on one thing universally: 'Most people are stupid.' But on that same point, they don't need to be protected from themselves, and still can survive.
That's what it all comes down to. Who attacked us after the shootings, declaring us misfits, urging geeks in for counseling, and started censoring excellent games like Quake? Who declared us dangerous to society? Check on some of the quotes from Clinton, Reno, Feinstien, etc, right after Liddleton and in the ensuing fiascos. The left wing is not our friend, because they go under the assumption that everyone is too stupid to wipe their own ass.
We arn't stupid. We pride ourselves on everything else. Sure, I can't pass English with an F because I'm on the football team. But who's the one that keeps the English teacher's porn routing right?
Unfortunatly that doesn't work any more. In case you haven't noticed lately, the Newest Trend is to blame everyone except the parents. Video Games, guns, cars, the internet, hell...blame it ALL. We all know that if the parents just watched, then it would be ok. But frankly, who wants to sit with their kid for hours on end while they IRC in #goodcleanfun or play Quake? So the brilliants invent Net Nanny, Cyberwatch, blocking proxies, etc..All of which an 7 year old can get around pretty easily. I definatly could. And btw, circumventing crappy filtering software leads to harder crimes, like not using windows, and *gasp* liking linux!
The key of it is, the parents have about 6-8 good years to instill the values and morals that are going to continue. After that point, it is 100% the child's decision what he/she does, no matter what the parents say. Good kids are good because they want to be. Bad kids are bad because they want to be too. It's that simple. So it isnt that the 7 year olds have to be watched. The trouble is, if they have to be watched to stay out of bad places, it's too late anyway....
Everybody sees a little porn, does a little warez. It's natural. Just like going 5 mph over the speed limit because no cop is going to waste the time. It really can't be helped. The way domain names are con'd, etc.
This guy needs to be *really careful* because most parents WILL refuse to take responsibility and will blame him anyway. Write up a nice legal contract and make them sign it.
Uh.. wtf? From my point of experience, if you can charge $10 a month, you are NOT a smaller ISP. Examples of NOT smaller ISP's:
Erols Price plan of 9.95 as I recall AOL I believe they have a 5.95 plan Mindspring heaven help us...
Examples of smaller ISP's:
Look in your Yellow pages.
Remember, also, the small ISP are the ones who the sysadmin also does the phone tech support. he's the one you get to call and whine to when "your internet doesn't work" or "my mail doesn't work." Better yet, "My MSN doesn't work," when, of course, they don't HAVE MSN. However, sense MS through MSN banners all over creation in 98 and IE4, and about 70% default to home.msn.com, subs don't know the difference. Also remember, the little ISP's pull the favors, give you the linux shell account that get's you started, and have a desire to get it working. (An unknamed conglomo service that involves a television) apparently had an east coast router that was down for an extremely long period of time. And you can't call and complain (un-named service) and bitch at them cause their Tx is down, can you? No, you get a recording.
W/out the small ISPs, we'd all be controled by MSN, Microsoft, Erols, etc...
Think about that next time. It might cost more, but look at what you get...
At a somewhat more distrubing level, the open source and GPL concepts of linux allow for freedom, and help. If your hardware doesn't work in Windows, or BEos (Wow..there isn't much support yet, is there?) Then you are, frankly, screwed. But in Linux, the open source principles let you take existing work and modify it so that you CAN get your Ugmeshimic GStrap gigbit ethernet adapter to work. Under windows, your at the mercy of driver writers. however, with open source, you have the omnipresent option of BEING the driver writer. And then you release your Gstrap 87XX driver as opensource for other to fix when you fall on your butt.
With Redhat 6 released now, you can boot your machine, and with good hardware have X work the first time after the initial install. Wow. That's better than windows. As I recall, win98 requires about 3 reboots....five or six more when you allow for crashes which inevitably happen.
What it comes down to is the fact that BeOS will never be incredibly popular as a mainstream OS, and for that matter neither will linux. It isn't windows, and it isn't MacOS. "Joe user" runs windows because it has software that he has to pay for (Oh wait..GPl..hehe..free..damn) but is (almost) garanteed to work (if you have the right VXD, DLL, runtime libs, and the correct version of DirectX.) So, where is the difference?
The difference is that open source allows anyone to make something better. But your screwed until somebody at Be headquarters decides to make something that works on your machine. Oh, and bugs..DOS attacks? hehe. Linux fixes are out in under 2 hours (pending beer supplies). Microsoft fixes it with OSR34.2342.2314BC 6 months later (a la winnuke) And you can recompile the stuff with the source patched. But OSR upgrades are essentially like installing a new OS, and wow..look at your disk space : )
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Just to be the devil's advocate, what happens when you can't befriend them? The US has been trying to make friends in various ways (by being friendly, by fighting for them, by buying them off, by helping in emergency situations) for decades.
.44 mag behind your back just in case.
The question is: who do we trust, and after what time period? How long are we to be 'friends' with, say, North Korea, until we're actually *friends* with them?
Until we have 'friends' that we're sure have no long-term goals of conquest against *us*, we have to stay ahead of the military curve.
I'm all for extending the olive branch, but keep the
Also, just to stay on topic, the practical non-military use of this is as a development step towards a cheap payload launcher (putting 'stuff' into orbit w/out massive booster burns).
What you're missing is that the average person who has a concealed carry permit (like myself) has been shooting for years. In my case, I'm 21 now and I got my first gun as a gift when I was 8. My family may be a little more gun-nutty than most (in fact, I was an internationa revolover champion when I was 14) but the fact remains that for "real" Americans, firearms are part of the culture. It's only in the last 20-30 years that guns became "bad". My father used to take his newest rifle to high school to show his friends. Blame liberals : )
Good call!
I got mod'd down : ( I thought I was on topic....but then again, it really was just more anecdotal evidence.
None of my machines have less that 512 megs of RAM, (or more than 1.8GB) and I never use swap...never have a problem with it. It's faster because drive access doesn't have to compete w/ swap (even on SATA it's annoying).
/dev/zero > /swap.tmp /swap.tmp /swap.tmp
Okay...I lied. Does anybody else use Pan? I mean..wtf?! When I run Pan it's more like
$ cat
*wait 20 seconds*
$ mkswap
$ swapon
$ exit
# pan
Pan is an awesome program, but seriously...when it can single handedly use > 1GB of RAM just stealing divx rips...
According to everything I've read, interop. between IPSwan and...well, basically anything else is shoddy at best. Trying to get Windows 2000 or XP to work with FreeSwan is not something a normal technician could do on a service call. Windows 95/98/ME is basically out the question. I may be wrong, but that's the impression I get.
It's an organization that took over an old elem. school. The ship clothes, equipment, medical supplies, and computer stuff to missionaries overseas. They always want help because the Christian mission life can be really rough in some of those countries where they kill you for it. Right now there trying to help an upstart Christian ISP in Africa get a foothold (the country is so poor the government buys their access from the Christian ISP....)
Doubley worthy cause, if your looking for that. I don't know that they need programming help, but repairing and building is always fun, and it's a great place to be. Full of hope-inspired people.
carnac.at.vaix.net if your interested : )
Remember that the essential arguement behind your thing is that the Constitution would be a valid document. In the midst of a military takeover, just see how long the Constitution stays valid...hmm...maybe 30 seconds before the first missle strike? Now do you see the danger? The Constitution can only stay effective if 1) Our leaders are incredibly benovolent and allow us to or 2) we have some way of resisting a forceful change. Now ask some of the countries who are under military dictators which *they* think is more likely to keep.
Uh..I'm still waiting for this supposed Linux hype and hysteria. When a new Debian release is accompanied by reports on the 6oclock news like a certain other OS was about 5 years, *then* we have hype. Right now, the exposure of Linux has been in a couple IT magazines, places like slashdot, and linux IRC channels. Right now, which has more consumer recognition: Windows, MacOS, or Linux?
See my point?
Oh, and power to the stocks.
A lot of people have made excellent points. However, a good number of geeks (dealing with computers here. IRC geeks, sysops, network junkies) do fall squarly into the Godless-liberal-hethan column. However, true "social" geeks (not neccesarily an outcast, most of us don't like other people anyway..can I get an Amen?) generally do have a belief in God or some other higher entity, and tend to be conservative. Most of the geeks I know view liberals as another force seeking to control private lives. Isn't that about right anyway? The conservative wing is generally more for private rights and self reliance while the liberals tend to think that everyone is too weak to fend for themselves, so they have to be regulated into protection.
As my dad would say, "Protect themselves from their own stupidity."
At the end of it, most geeks tend to agree on one thing universally: 'Most people are stupid.' But on that same point, they don't need to be protected from themselves, and still can survive.
That's what it all comes down to. Who attacked us after the shootings, declaring us misfits, urging geeks in for counseling, and started censoring excellent games like Quake? Who declared us dangerous to society? Check on some of the quotes from Clinton, Reno, Feinstien, etc, right after Liddleton and in the ensuing fiascos. The left wing is not our friend, because they go under the assumption that everyone is too stupid to wipe their own ass.
We arn't stupid. We pride ourselves on everything else. Sure, I can't pass English with an F because I'm on the football team. But who's the one that keeps the English teacher's porn routing right?
Geek Pride.
Unfortunatly that doesn't work any more. In case you haven't noticed lately, the Newest Trend is to blame everyone except the parents. Video Games, guns, cars, the internet, hell...blame it ALL. We all know that if the parents just watched, then it would be ok. But frankly, who wants to sit with their kid for hours on end while they IRC in #goodcleanfun or play Quake? So the brilliants invent Net Nanny, Cyberwatch, blocking proxies, etc..All of which an 7 year old can get around pretty easily. I definatly could. And btw, circumventing crappy filtering software leads to harder crimes, like not using windows, and *gasp* liking linux!
The key of it is, the parents have about 6-8 good years to instill the values and morals that are going to continue. After that point, it is 100% the child's decision what he/she does, no matter what the parents say. Good kids are good because they want to be. Bad kids are bad because they want to be too. It's that simple. So it isnt that the 7 year olds have to be watched. The trouble is, if they have to be watched to stay out of bad places, it's too late anyway....
Everybody sees a little porn, does a little warez. It's natural. Just like going 5 mph over the speed limit because no cop is going to waste the time. It really can't be helped. The way domain names are con'd, etc.
This guy needs to be *really careful* because most parents WILL refuse to take responsibility and will blame him anyway. Write up a nice legal contract and make them sign it.
Uh..
wtf? From my point of experience, if you can charge $10 a month, you are NOT a smaller ISP. Examples of NOT smaller ISP's:
Erols Price plan of 9.95 as I recall
AOL I believe they have a 5.95 plan
Mindspring heaven help us...
Examples of smaller ISP's:
Look in your Yellow pages.
Remember, also, the small ISP are the ones who the sysadmin also does the phone tech support. he's the one you get to call and whine to when "your internet doesn't work" or "my mail doesn't work." Better yet, "My MSN doesn't work," when, of course, they don't HAVE MSN. However, sense MS through MSN banners all over creation in 98 and IE4, and about 70% default to home.msn.com, subs don't know the difference. Also remember, the little ISP's pull the favors, give you the linux shell account that get's you started, and have a desire to get it working. (An unknamed conglomo service that involves a television) apparently had an east coast router that was down for an extremely long period of time. And you can't call and complain (un-named service) and bitch at them cause their Tx is down, can you? No, you get a recording.
W/out the small ISPs, we'd all be controled by MSN, Microsoft, Erols, etc...
Think about that next time. It might cost more, but look at what you get...
At a somewhat more distrubing level, the open source and GPL concepts of linux allow for freedom, and help. If your hardware doesn't work in Windows, or BEos (Wow..there isn't much support yet, is there?) Then you are, frankly, screwed. But in Linux, the open source principles let you take existing work and modify it so that you CAN get your Ugmeshimic GStrap gigbit ethernet adapter to work. Under windows, your at the mercy of driver writers. however, with open source, you have the omnipresent option of BEING the driver writer. And then you release your Gstrap 87XX driver as opensource for other to fix when you fall on your butt.
With Redhat 6 released now, you can boot your machine, and with good hardware have X work the first time after the initial install. Wow. That's better than windows. As I recall, win98 requires about 3 reboots....five or six more when you allow for crashes which inevitably happen.
What it comes down to is the fact that BeOS will never be incredibly popular as a mainstream OS, and for that matter neither will linux. It isn't windows, and it isn't MacOS. "Joe user" runs windows because it has software that he has to pay for (Oh wait..GPl..hehe..free..damn) but is (almost) garanteed to work (if you have the right VXD, DLL, runtime libs, and the correct version of DirectX.) So, where is the difference?
The difference is that open source allows anyone to make something better. But your screwed until somebody at Be headquarters decides to make something that works on your machine. Oh, and bugs..DOS attacks? hehe. Linux fixes are out in under 2 hours (pending beer supplies). Microsoft fixes it with OSR34.2342.2314BC 6 months later (a la winnuke) And you can recompile the stuff with the source patched. But OSR upgrades are essentially like installing a new OS, and wow..look at your disk space : )
That's a start. And not as an insult, but..uh
"mp3z" ? thatz 3|33+.
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