I don't agree. The internet is well defined in what is called the "internet protocol". And this protocol is just an agreement on a way to communicate. It is not like a government. It isn't more than that. People use it for lots of things and different kinds of communications but that doesn't make more than an agreement. A government is much more than a simple agreement. It is define by more that one simple protocol. That people use the phone to talk about a lot of things does that mean the phone is more than a way to talk to each other?
A LAN is not a type of internet. It can use a subset of the internet protocol, but to be an internet, you have to connect multiple LANs trough gateways.
And usually when people refer to the internet, they mean the main one that most people connect to.
I think your teacher wasn't aiming on being literal when she said that. English contains ton's of utterances that don't mean exactly what they mean litterally. Like when you ask: "Can you pass me the salt?" you are not actually asking if the person is able to pass you the salt, you are expressing your will the the person will pass it to you. This is a field called pragmatics.
You get angry way too easely
"The Internet is a way for all the things that call themselves networks to coexist and work together. It's an inter-network. Literally.
What makes the Net inter is the fact that it's just a protocol -- the Internet Protocol, to be exact. A protocol is an agreement about how things work together."
I was told in school internet meant INTERnational NETwork.
can someone clarify?
Ok I answered my question. The problem was that when I search on google for "shortable security" I got no hit but I guess this term is only used in its plural form "shortable securities" . Then I got the info I wanted.
It referes to short selling or delling more stocks than you own in the hope that the price is going to drop and you can buy back you "virtual" stocks at a loer price.
so what criteria does the stock need to have so that e-trade consideres it shortable???
Except that the raw materials are going to be bought anyways because there is a finite amount of them on the planet and if the us wants some, it has to buy it. The tarifs is just a way that the government is going to make a profit on them. And keep the price of us materials high so that companies can make profit.
If you start taxing outsourcing, US companies will just have to move completely to other country or face serious competition from spawning companies that operate at half the price in other countries. India has shown it has the technological knowledge. So in order to keep at least part of the industry here the goverment needs to let it operate efficiently thus letting them do outsourcing.
I guess one way of protecting the US economy would be to tax any products that are made outside the US. You could highly tax foreigh software. That would increase the operating costs of foreign software companies and discourage outsourcing. Although I think it would disadvantage the economy has a whole because companies buying the software would have to pay extra.
But I guess you have the same disadvantage with the raw materials.
You have a point. In fact, much of the criticism against your government is from the US. And I thank god for that fact. It's just that it doesn't seem to be working very much lately. And we (the rest of the world) are very scared of where this is going.
The non cooperation, the high militarization scares the hall out of the rest of the world. These are steps towards world war 3. ignoring the critizim
"Like the rest of the world doesn't have that attitude. Oh! They do, they just do not have the resources to pull it off."
Well maybe to a certain degree but I generaly disagree. All these problems started only 3-4 years ago. The US was very prosperous and very resourcefull and yet it played a lot nicer with the rest of the world. It was acting in a way that was a lot better for the general being of the world. Then, it suddenly became that big immature bully that tries to make trouble everywhere. Maybe it is a reaction to the 2001 attack. Maybe it was something else. I don't know. It is sure as hell anoying to the rest of the world that every relationships seems to be a battle against you. Why does it always have to be about who will exploit the other more instead of countries trying to reach reasonable agreements like they used to.
Yeah but, DNS is a fairly high level protocol. From what I can see, it would just make you reroute you for a name that didn't have an IP. At lease if you have the right ip you could still go anywhere you wanted. I was more worried about the lower level internet protocol. Could a company that has control to a lot of gateways do something similar at a the ip level?
I was not talking about the UN. I was talking about your 1 to 1 relationship with other countries. I was not answering to your comment about the UN. I was rather answering to your childish comment:
"If people from other areas aren't content with the internet...implement your own. It's as simple as that."
ouch, I think someone has been brainwashed by his government. I though only contries that try to control and manipulate the media would get citizens like that oh wait...
I agree. What I would like too see is a totally decetralized internet. The internet protocol should should force that decentralization. No computer should be of central importance on the internet. I wonder if it would be possible to implement it like that?
IANANE (network engineer) but from what I can see the internet is already partially decentralized. The important gateways are scattered around the world. What I don't understand is how they decede who gets the ip adresses. Class A B C. And how they force all the gateways and routers to point a the right networks.
Is it just a general agreement between the owners of the gateway that they will follow a certain rules set by a group??
What if an owner of a lot of important high level gateways decided it wanted to redirect traffic to the wrong adresses. That is give some adresses to a group that was not agreed to by everyone. Would your connection depend on the fact that you go through these gateways or not? Would there be like a conflicting internet were there would be two adresses for one computer??? And since packets can take different routes, would some packets go to one machine and some to the other? Is the internet vulnerable to such an attack by owners of high level gateways? Or does the internet protocol contain something that prevent that kind of chaos by one organization? Is there something in the protocol itself that makes sure that 1 ip asdress = 1 computer??
Just wondering how robust the internet is to an organisation that would try to take it over.
And you americans wonder why the rest of the world can't stand you. That kind of attitude just shows your complete unwillingness to cooperate with there rest or the world for the good of the planet.
" Do not give him a bulk network card, no matter how useful it would be, because, while it would make him happy, it would also lack the certain something. What's important is something that makes the gift seem "
I disagree,
If my non computer literate girlfriend would buy me something like a network card. (assuming I needed one and that she consulted someone for the choice) I would be really impressed at how she took interest in something I do. And that she put an effort and listen to me when I talked about it, and didn't just assume it was just some kind of techno language she couldn't understand.
Why only for the birthay? I would hope he'd get that on a weakly or maybe even if the time is available almost daily basis. Assuming they live together.
When I meant more memory I meant RAM. They give you plenty of flash or eeprom but ram theres only 512 bytes I think. I know.. its a lot when programming in assembly but...With the HC11 you can put external ram and memory mapped devices. With the HC08 you dont have that luxury. (Well as I explained in my other post you can always emulate it in software)
I think the HC05 has a different instruction set than the HC11 and HC08. right? a little more primitive. Hey you say 8bit for the 05 did you mean in contrast to the HC11??? cause the HC08 is 8bit also, but I though the HC11 was the same. The HC11 has a few more registers I think. The HC08 has only 8-bit Accumulator A and a 16bit index register.
My setup was even cheaper that yours. I used the free http://www.pemicro.com/ics08/ software for the compiler and programmer. It even includes an emulator and an in-circuit real-time Debugger!
I heard that with de motorola kit can you even programm in C. Is that true?
I made my home programming circuit on a breadboard connecting my serial cable with *frigen* paper clips.
It was for university project, and the uni was too cheap to buy equipment. The first project in the microcontroler class was to make your own equipment.
Im sure the 500$ development kit must be much nicer to work with.
I fryed 4 units just because as it turns out my power off switch (a switch I unssolded for an old radio yes very cheap uni) was making spikes when I turned off the circuit. Putting a capacitor between the ground and 5V solved the problem. Debugging hardware is a real pain. Even more of a pain than debbuging asm.
The HC08 is even easyer then the HC11. You can't really adress external memory like the HC11 though. So its not good if you need alot of memory. It doesn't have an E strobe. You could theoritically send address on some ports, BSET BCLR another signal to act as a E strobe.
Appart from that it is the same as the HC11 I think. You just don't have to deal with adressing external memory and other things. You you still get like thirty some bits of I/O so you can control a bunch of things without adressing. And I think its cheaper. You can event get like a 4$ versions (although with much less I/O bits).
If you are new to asm you will discover that you can do an amazing quantity of things with only half a kB of ram. I think the chip also includes 16k of flash memory. The version I was using anyways: MC68HC908GP32
Actually the brains treat signal in an aproximate digital way. Neurpons fire in a digital way. Once a certain threshold signal (action potential) is reached they fire a pulse.
And besides from what I can understand of quantum theory there is actually a minimum distance one can move at a time. Things move instantly from one point to another. This distance is insanely small though.
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I don't agree. The internet is well defined in what is called the "internet protocol". And this protocol is just an agreement on a way to communicate. It is not like a government. It isn't more than that. People use it for lots of things and different kinds of communications but that doesn't make more than an agreement.
A government is much more than a simple agreement. It is define by more that one simple protocol. That people use the phone to talk about a lot of things does that mean the phone is more than a way to talk to each other?
A LAN is not a type of internet. It can use a subset of the internet protocol, but to be an internet, you have to connect multiple LANs trough gateways.
And usually when people refer to the internet, they mean the main one that most people connect to.
I think your teacher wasn't aiming on being literal when she said that. English contains ton's of utterances that don't mean exactly what they mean litterally. Like when you ask: "Can you pass me the salt?" you are not actually asking if the person is able to pass you the salt, you are expressing your will the the person will pass it to you. This is a field called pragmatics. You get angry way too easely
"The Internet is a way for all the things that call themselves networks to coexist and work together. It's an inter-network. Literally. What makes the Net inter is the fact that it's just a protocol -- the Internet Protocol, to be exact. A protocol is an agreement about how things work together."
I was told in school internet meant INTERnational NETwork.
can someone clarify?
maybe you should try SCOttrade
Ok I answered my question. The problem was that when I search on google for "shortable security" I got no hit but I guess this term is only used in its plural form "shortable securities" . Then I got the info I wanted.
It referes to short selling or delling more stocks than you own in the hope that the price is going to drop and you can buy back you "virtual" stocks at a loer price.
so what criteria does the stock need to have so that e-trade consideres it shortable???
whats a shortable security???
The whole question here is where do you want the gov to cut?? that is a big debate.
Except that the raw materials are going to be bought anyways because there is a finite amount of them on the planet and if the us wants some, it has to buy it. The tarifs is just a way that the government is going to make a profit on them. And keep the price of us materials high so that companies can make profit.
If you start taxing outsourcing, US companies will just have to move completely to other country or face serious competition from spawning companies that operate at half the price in other countries. India has shown it has the technological knowledge. So in order to keep at least part of the industry here the goverment needs to let it operate efficiently thus letting them do outsourcing.
I guess one way of protecting the US economy would be to tax any products that are made outside the US. You could highly tax foreigh software. That would increase the operating costs of foreign software companies and discourage outsourcing. Although I think it would disadvantage the economy has a whole because companies buying the software would have to pay extra.
But I guess you have the same disadvantage with the raw materials.
"They created a Republican system of Government that kept the Federal Government as weak as possible"
I agree completely that this is good. They should be as week as possible but existent nonetheless.
Your federal government still makes sure that the states don't destroy each other and behave well inside the country.
The UN could have a similar role.
that is like saying "I will not sign away the rights of my state to the federal government"
Do you think higher level governments are evil? I don't think the UN was made to have a lot of control on local issues anyways.
You have a point. In fact, much of the criticism against your government is from the US. And I thank god for that fact. It's just that it doesn't seem to be working very much lately. And we (the rest of the world) are very scared of where this is going.
The non cooperation, the high militarization scares the hall out of the rest of the world. These are steps towards world war 3.
ignoring the critizim
"Like the rest of the world doesn't have that attitude. Oh! They do, they just do not have the resources to pull it off."
Well maybe to a certain degree but I generaly disagree. All these problems started only 3-4 years ago. The US was very prosperous and very resourcefull and yet it played a lot nicer with the rest of the world. It was acting in a way that was a lot better for the general being of the world. Then, it suddenly became that big immature bully that tries to make trouble everywhere. Maybe it is a reaction to the 2001 attack. Maybe it was something else. I don't know. It is sure as hell anoying to the rest of the world that every relationships seems to be a battle against you. Why does it always have to be about who will exploit the other more instead of countries trying to reach reasonable agreements like they used to.
Yeah but, DNS is a fairly high level protocol. From what I can see, it would just make you reroute you for a name that didn't have an IP. At lease if you have the right ip you could still go anywhere you wanted. I was more worried about the lower level internet protocol. Could a company that has control to a lot of gateways do something similar at a the ip level?
I was not talking about the UN. I was talking about your 1 to 1 relationship with other countries. I was not answering to your comment about the UN. I was rather answering to your childish comment:
"If people from other areas aren't content with the internet...implement your own. It's as simple as that."
ouch, I think someone has been brainwashed by his government. I though only contries that try to control and manipulate the media would get citizens like that oh wait...
I agree. What I would like too see is a totally decetralized internet. The internet protocol should should force that decentralization. No computer should be of central importance on the internet. I wonder if it would be possible to implement it like that?
IANANE (network engineer) but from what I can see the internet is already partially decentralized. The important gateways are scattered around the world. What I don't understand is how they decede who gets the ip adresses. Class A B C. And how they force all the gateways and routers to point a the right networks.
Is it just a general agreement between the owners of the gateway that they will follow a certain rules set by a group??
What if an owner of a lot of important high level gateways decided it wanted to redirect traffic to the wrong adresses. That is give some adresses to a group that was not agreed to by everyone. Would your connection depend on the fact that you go through these gateways or not? Would there be like a conflicting internet were there would be two adresses for one computer??? And since packets can take different routes, would some packets go to one machine and some to the other? Is the internet vulnerable to such an attack by owners of high level gateways? Or does the internet protocol contain something that prevent that kind of chaos by one organization? Is there something in the protocol itself that makes sure that 1 ip asdress = 1 computer??
Just wondering how robust the internet is to an organisation that would try to take it over.
And you americans wonder why the rest of the world can't stand you. That kind of attitude just shows your complete unwillingness to cooperate with there rest or the world for the good of the planet.
I think that for her birthday not his...
" Do not give him a bulk network card, no matter how useful it would be, because, while it would make him happy, it would also lack the certain something. What's important is something that makes the gift seem "
I disagree,
If my non computer literate girlfriend would buy me something like a network card. (assuming I needed one and that she consulted someone for the choice) I would be really impressed at how she took interest in something I do. And that she put an effort and listen to me when I talked about it, and didn't just assume it was just some kind of techno language she couldn't understand.
I got my girlfriend the "I love my geek" T-shirt from ThingGeek. We both love it.
nothing wrong with being a geek.
Why only for the birthay? I would hope he'd get that on a weakly or maybe even if the time is available almost daily basis. Assuming they live together.
When I meant more memory I meant RAM. They give you plenty of flash or eeprom but ram theres only 512 bytes I think. I know.. its a lot when programming in assembly but...With the HC11 you can put external ram and memory mapped devices. With the HC08 you dont have that luxury. (Well as I explained in my other post you can always emulate it in software)
I think the HC05 has a different instruction set than the HC11 and HC08. right? a little more primitive. Hey you say 8bit for the 05 did you mean in contrast to the HC11??? cause the HC08 is 8bit also, but I though the HC11 was the same. The HC11 has a few more registers I think. The HC08 has only 8-bit Accumulator A and a 16bit index register.
My setup was even cheaper that yours. I used the free http://www.pemicro.com/ics08/ software for the compiler and programmer. It even includes an emulator and an in-circuit real-time Debugger!
I heard that with de motorola kit can you even programm in C. Is that true?
I made my home programming circuit on a breadboard connecting my serial cable with *frigen* paper clips.
It was for university project, and the uni was too cheap to buy equipment. The first project in the microcontroler class was to make your own equipment.
Im sure the 500$ development kit must be much nicer to work with.
I fryed 4 units just because as it turns out my power off switch (a switch I unssolded for an old radio yes very cheap uni) was making spikes when I turned off the circuit. Putting a capacitor between the ground and 5V solved the problem.
Debugging hardware is a real pain. Even more of a pain than debbuging asm.
The HC08 is even easyer then the HC11. You can't really adress external memory like the HC11 though. So its not good if you need alot of memory. It doesn't have an E strobe. You could theoritically send address on some ports, BSET BCLR another signal to act as a E strobe.
Appart from that it is the same as the HC11 I think. You just don't have to deal with adressing external memory and other things. You you still get like thirty some bits of I/O so you can control a bunch of things without adressing. And I think its cheaper. You can event get like a 4$ versions (although with much less I/O bits).
If you are new to asm you will discover that you can do an amazing quantity of things with only half a kB of ram. I think the chip also includes 16k of flash memory. The version I was using anyways: MC68HC908GP32
"If you really want that functionality, just plug in a monitor using a second cheapo vidcard. Much more expandable..."
I really doubt anybody is buying this because it is "functionnal"
Try this
Actually the brains treat signal in an aproximate digital way. Neurpons fire in a digital way. Once a certain threshold signal (action potential) is reached they fire a pulse.
And besides from what I can understand of quantum theory there is actually a minimum distance one can move at a time. Things move instantly from one point to another. This distance is insanely small though.