Personally I'd be interested in seeing what the numbers are on interpretations of that phrase (never to be uttered again) might be. Was it in reference to a database hack (frontbase) or something more carnal?
What about the U.S. census? Many surveys of 'scientific' reputation use small sample sets to pose hypotheses. What matters is that a 3rd party either confirms or disaffirms the data. Any takers?
Our goal is to create a standards group which could provide certification of UI implementation both for OSS software (Gnome/KDE/apps) and for commercial OSs and apps.
It's methodology is to take the best of current guidelines and then improve and standardize them. Consistency, pure and simple, without concern to branding or marketing issues.
If you or anyone else is interested please contact us using the above posted url.
"User in Control An important principle of user interface design is that the user should always feel in control of the software rather than feeling controlled by the software. This principle has a number of implications:
* The operational assumption is that the user -- not the computer or software -- initiates actions. The user plays an active rather than reactive role. You can automate tasks, but implement the automation in a way that allows the user to choose or control it.
* Because of their widely varying skills and preferences, users must be able to personalize aspects of the interface. The system software provides user access to many of these aspects. Your software should reflect user settings for different system properties, such as colors, fonts, or other options.
* Your software should be as interactive and responsive as possible. Avoid modes whenever possible. A mode is a state that excludes general interaction or otherwise limits the user to specific interactions. When a mode is the best or only design alternative -- for example, for selecting a particular tool in a drawing program -- make sure the mode is obvious, visible, the result of an explicit user choice, and easy to cancel."
If only M$ would listen to their own advice!!! Hypocrites.
This just goes to show you that they know how to play nice, they just don't want to.
An important principle of user interface design is that the user should always feel in control of the software rather than feeling controlled by the software. This principle has a number of implications:
* The operational assumption is that the user -- not the computer or software -- initiates actions. The user plays an active rather than reactive role. You can automate tasks, but implement the automation in a way that allows the user to choose or control it.
* Because of their widely varying skills and preferences, users must be able to personalize aspects of the interface. The system software provides user access to many of these aspects. Your software should reflect user settings for different system properties, such as colors, fonts, or other options.
* Your software should be as interactive and responsive as possible. Avoid modes whenever possible. A mode is a state that excludes general interaction or otherwise limits the user to specific interactions. When a mode is the best or only design alternative -- for example, for selecting a particular tool in a drawing program -- make sure the mode is obvious, visible, the result of an explicit user choice, and easy to cancel."
If only M$ would listen to their own advice!!! Hypocrites.
This just goes to show you that they know how to play nice, they just don't want to.
Nope, it's not more like that at all. The OS is only software like all other software that uses the cpu, gpu, ram, and other hardware resources in your PC.
Therefore it is much more like the previous analogy where Windows is the Refrigerator and M$ wants to make sure you also buy their brand of toaster, microwave, dishwasher, etc. so your appliances will be 'compatible' even though competing brands do just fine and they all receive power from the same source of electricity.
The UI might be a little different and you may get different features from different suppliers but as long as the product does what you want and 'interoperates' to the degree you require, who is M$ to say you can't use it.
"This site is dedicated to open source QuickTime development for popular open source audio and video codecs. We are currently working on Ogg Vorbis, an audio codec developed by Xiphophorus, and MNG, an animation video codec.
We have just begun the project, expect many changes over the next few weeks. We will offer a site for developers, as well as one for end-users interested in using our software. At the moment, some areas of our site are not yet implemented. "
See you're missing the point. The flawed logic is that M$ sees IE as the 'engine' or even a part of the engine. It isn't, it's a web browser.
The fact that "many critical functions of Windows (Help, Office, and third party apps) integrate IE into their software" simply means that they all share a core set of libraries, or dlls in Windoze land. That doesn't mean those libraries are necessary for the OS to work, just those particular applications and just because the maker of those apps is also the maker of the OS doesn't mean it has to be integrated.
There are many 3rd party developers who provide apps that perform those exact functions which aren't integrated, proving that they don't have to be.
BTW changing out a CD player is soo completely different from switching the engine I don't see how you can make that leap w/o getting air sick.
About the aftermarket thing... how would you like it if you had to have both the dealer/manufacturer part AND the aftermarket product installed... ie 2 stereos w/ 2 sets of speakers, 2 sets of rims/tires, standard exhaust plus modified exhaust, the dealer air filter and the one you got at Pep Boys? How well would your car perform then?
Of course it's all bad analogy anyways but I think I've made my point.
"Now, lets say my mother buys a new Dell but Dell has opted to take out IE & MS Media Player. My dear old mother starts to install programs that use IE and MS Media Player and suddenly they do not work."
This is what the 'Recommended Installation' setting is for, ie: "If you're not sure what to install use the Recommended Installation setting."
A consumer PC from Dell should even come preloaded this way in the same way that many of them come preloaded w/ bundled 3rd party apps. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to uninstall those extra apps later or reinstall and choose a more custom setup.
Oh yeah, Linux doesn't 'ship', as you so eloquently put it, w/o a specific GUI. It typically provides the option of several during installation or installs the distro's default which can be changed at a later date.
I do believe that the GUI is middleware but the UI is not... big difference. UI has to do with syntax and grammar while GUI has to do with metaphor and process (ya might have to think about that). UI is indispensable, w/o a UI you have hardware and inaccessible code. GUI is added value for usability and added value for accessibility but it is not indispensable.
Interested in Simpleface? It's a new OS standard that just started. Well, it's an idea a few of us/.ers thought was cool and might really put some thought to. E-mail russ@russellbeattie.com for more info.
Looks/sounds like UI is a hobby/interest of yours, we could use the input.
Some/.ers are thinking about starting a new OS solution called Simpleface. It would be a standards org w/ some implementation and would be based on all the current UI guidelines of the most popular Desktops.. ie: OS X, Windows, KDE, Gnome, etc..
Anyone interested in collaborating please contact: russ@russellbeattie.com
For good or for bad America has always had a "regional interest" in said "waters". I don't always agree with the particular interest, in fact I completely disagree with most of America's policies regarding foreign interests.
Regardless of such, America has and will have profound impact on foreign interests for no other reason than that those countries affected (not effected) do 'court' America and it's technology, influence and power.
The only person calling Linux "anti-American" is Bill Gates... and I'm under the impression that monopolies(ie: dictatorships) are historically "anti-American"... which among other things makes him a hypocrite.
All you need to do is to reverse aging and move to Maine!
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/articles/2002/04/ma in e/
"Maine Schools begin to deploy wireless iBooks"
"In the past few weeks, the first shipments of iBook notebook computers arrived at nine Maine middle schools. These schools, one in each region of the state, were selected to be Demonstration/Exploration Schools to receive an advance deployment of computers, in order to serve as learning laboratories and training sites for teacher professional development, as well as to test the technical reliability of the equipment. The shipments will total 675 iBooks, enough to equip several classrooms of seventh grade students at each school."
"That sounds about right and this is just why Microsoft wants Bluetooth dead."
While, of course, Apple has supported 802.11b for years now (4-5?) and is pushing Bluetooth enormously in the near term.
Will M$ ever be at the forefront of technology or will they simply continue to exploit old tech by throwing money at it? hmmm... looks like the latter of the two and yet somehow they still do it and at a profit? could be something to do with their status as a criminal organization with an accused monopoly. (notice that M$ is officially a criminal organization, tried and convicted)
Well of course you're looking at an Apple device, and they (Apple) are known for good engineering, if expensive. Other companies haven't as yet produced anything with good battery life as far as i know....
Anyone out ther ever use Firewire or that IEsomethingsomething? Transfer rates are at 400 Mbit/sec.. you know like iPODS?
Of course iPODS have had bluetooth for a couple of months now but then discontinued because Apple is releasing their own version... in fact the next Powerbooks are also supposed to come w/ bluetooth, April 30th.
anyways... Firewire 2.0 should really rock... USB 2.0 is already out but isn't really supported by anyone as far as I can tell.
Does this mean that all smart people don't play the Lottery? just curious... i've never played, I'd rather take that money and invest it in something with a gauranteed return.
interesting hypothesis though and the part about less money slotted for education because of the Lottery is a very good point that people should take note of.
Slashdot Mirror
Personally I'd be interested in seeing what the numbers are on interpretations of that phrase (never to be uttered again) might be. Was it in reference to a database hack (frontbase) or something more carnal?
7830 | 7580
The original seems higher than the most recent number... 'trend seems to be towards growth..'?
hmmm....
What about the U.S. census? Many surveys of 'scientific' reputation use small sample sets to pose hypotheses. What matters is that a 3rd party either confirms or disaffirms the data. Any takers?
"It would have been neat to see how quickly that phrase appeared, then decayed!"
Certainly not as quickly as it would have without your reference, God willing.
Woah, can someone say 'Tron' flashback!!!!!!
OMG
"Our users are our strength. "
Really, that's all there is to it. In a world of ubiquitous communication and transferrence of ideas the only power comes from those who support you.
OSS/FS
Someone right a song. Where's the 'Marley' among us.
Try X-Windows on Darwin w/ the OS X Quartz, etc. libraries installed. Beautiful!!!
http://fink.sourceforge.net/index.php
~nuff said.
A new OSS group has formed. (-: Simpleface TM.
http://www.russellbeattie.com/simpleface/
..for now.
Our goal is to create a standards group which could provide certification of UI implementation both for OSS software (Gnome/KDE/apps) and for commercial OSs and apps.
It's methodology is to take the best of current guidelines and then improve and standardize them. Consistency, pure and simple, without concern to branding or marketing issues.
If you or anyone else is interested please contact us using the above posted url.
It's time to move forward.
This is a repost but I reread my own words and thought it deserved it's own topic.
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Well, I've recently taken a look into M$ UI principles and it looks like we have it all wrong.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?u
"User in Control
An important principle of user interface design is that the user should always feel in control of the software rather than feeling controlled by the software. This principle has a number of implications:
* The operational assumption is that the user -- not the computer or software -- initiates actions. The user plays an active rather than reactive role. You can automate tasks, but implement the automation in a way that allows the user to choose or control it.
* Because of their widely varying skills and preferences, users must be able to personalize aspects of the interface. The system software provides user access to many of these aspects. Your software should reflect user settings for different system properties, such as colors, fonts, or other options.
* Your software should be as interactive and responsive as possible. Avoid modes whenever possible. A mode is a state that excludes general interaction or otherwise limits the user to specific interactions. When a mode is the best or only design alternative -- for example, for selecting a particular tool in a drawing program -- make sure the mode is obvious, visible, the result of an explicit user choice, and easy to cancel."
If only M$ would listen to their own advice!!! Hypocrites.
This just goes to show you that they know how to play nice, they just don't want to.
Well, I've recently taken a look into M$ UI principles and it looks like we have it all wrong.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?u
"User in Control
An important principle of user interface design is that the user should always feel in control of the software rather than feeling controlled by the software. This principle has a number of implications:
* The operational assumption is that the user -- not the computer or software -- initiates actions. The user plays an active rather than reactive role. You can automate tasks, but implement the automation in a way that allows the user to choose or control it.
* Because of their widely varying skills and preferences, users must be able to personalize aspects of the interface. The system software provides user access to many of these aspects. Your software should reflect user settings for different system properties, such as colors, fonts, or other options.
* Your software should be as interactive and responsive as possible. Avoid modes whenever possible. A mode is a state that excludes general interaction or otherwise limits the user to specific interactions. When a mode is the best or only design alternative -- for example, for selecting a particular tool in a drawing program -- make sure the mode is obvious, visible, the result of an explicit user choice, and easy to cancel."
If only M$ would listen to their own advice!!! Hypocrites.
This just goes to show you that they know how to play nice, they just don't want to.
I don't know... that might be more helpful.
Nope, it's not more like that at all. The OS is only software like all other software that uses the cpu, gpu, ram, and other hardware resources in your PC.
Therefore it is much more like the previous analogy where Windows is the Refrigerator and M$ wants to make sure you also buy their brand of toaster, microwave, dishwasher, etc. so your appliances will be 'compatible' even though competing brands do just fine and they all receive power from the same source of electricity.
The UI might be a little different and you may get different features from different suppliers but as long as the product does what you want and 'interoperates' to the degree you require, who is M$ to say you can't use it.
Maybe Jack has a full time job that takes up his 'time' like most OSS developers?
Maybe by sending support funds he could quit that job and spend more 'time' writing and developing better specs?
just a thought...
There is Ogg for iTunes!!!!
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http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20
and more directly:
http://qtcomponents.sourceforge.net/
"This site is dedicated to open source QuickTime development for popular open source audio and video codecs. We are currently working on Ogg Vorbis, an audio codec developed by Xiphophorus, and MNG, an animation video codec.
We have just begun the project, expect many changes over the next few weeks. We will offer a site for developers, as well as one for end-users interested in using our software. At the moment, some areas of our site are not yet implemented. "
"You have flawed logic."
See you're missing the point. The flawed logic is that M$ sees IE as the 'engine' or even a part of the engine. It isn't, it's a web browser.
The fact that "many critical functions of Windows (Help, Office, and third party apps) integrate IE into their software" simply means that they all share a core set of libraries, or dlls in Windoze land. That doesn't mean those libraries are necessary for the OS to work, just those particular applications and just because the maker of those apps is also the maker of the OS doesn't mean it has to be integrated.
There are many 3rd party developers who provide apps that perform those exact functions which aren't integrated, proving that they don't have to be.
BTW changing out a CD player is soo completely different from switching the engine I don't see how you can make that leap w/o getting air sick.
About the aftermarket thing... how would you like it if you had to have both the dealer/manufacturer part AND the aftermarket product installed... ie 2 stereos w/ 2 sets of speakers, 2 sets of rims/tires, standard exhaust plus modified exhaust, the dealer air filter and the one you got at Pep Boys? How well would your car perform then?
Of course it's all bad analogy anyways but I think I've made my point.
"Now, lets say my mother buys a new Dell but Dell has opted to take out IE & MS Media Player. My dear old mother starts to install programs that use IE and MS Media Player and suddenly they do not work."
This is what the 'Recommended Installation' setting is for, ie: "If you're not sure what to install use the Recommended Installation setting."
A consumer PC from Dell should even come preloaded this way in the same way that many of them come preloaded w/ bundled 3rd party apps. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to uninstall those extra apps later or reinstall and choose a more custom setup.
Oh yeah, Linux doesn't 'ship', as you so eloquently put it, w/o a specific GUI. It typically provides the option of several during installation or installs the distro's default which can be changed at a later date.
I do believe that the GUI is middleware but the UI is not... big difference. UI has to do with syntax and grammar while GUI has to do with metaphor and process (ya might have to think about that). UI is indispensable, w/o a UI you have hardware and inaccessible code. GUI is added value for usability and added value for accessibility but it is not indispensable.
Interested in Simpleface? It's a new OS standard that just started. Well, it's an idea a few of us /.ers thought was cool and might really put some thought to. E-mail russ@russellbeattie.com for more info.
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Looks/sounds like UI is a hobby/interest of yours, we could use the input.
referring comment:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=3382685&sid
Some /.ers are thinking about starting a new OS solution called Simpleface. It would be a standards org w/ some implementation and would be based on all the current UI guidelines of the most popular Desktops.. ie: OS X, Windows, KDE, Gnome, etc..
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Anyone interested in collaborating please contact: russ@russellbeattie.com
referring comment: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=3382685&sid=3
For good or for bad America has always had a "regional interest" in said "waters". I don't always agree with the particular interest, in fact I completely disagree with most of America's policies regarding foreign interests.
Regardless of such, America has and will have profound impact on foreign interests for no other reason than that those countries affected (not effected) do 'court' America and it's technology, influence and power.
The only person calling Linux "anti-American" is Bill Gates... and I'm under the impression that monopolies(ie: dictatorships) are historically "anti-American"... which among other things makes him a hypocrite.
Remember 'Ender's Game'?
Slashdot really reminds me of the forums O.S. Card describes therein... hmmm.. his first initials are somewhat peculiar... interesting.
All you need to do is to reverse aging and move to Maine!
a in e/
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/articles/2002/04/m
"Maine Schools begin to deploy wireless iBooks"
"In the past few weeks, the first shipments of iBook notebook computers arrived at nine Maine middle schools. These schools, one in each region of the state, were selected to be Demonstration/Exploration Schools to receive an advance deployment of computers, in order to serve as learning laboratories and training sites for teacher professional development, as well as to test the technical reliability of the equipment. The shipments will total 675 iBooks, enough to equip several classrooms of seventh grade students at each school."
"That sounds about right and this is just why Microsoft wants Bluetooth dead."
While, of course, Apple has supported 802.11b for years now (4-5?) and is pushing Bluetooth enormously in the near term.
Will M$ ever be at the forefront of technology or will they simply continue to exploit old tech by throwing money at it? hmmm... looks like the latter of the two and yet somehow they still do it and at a profit? could be something to do with their status as a criminal organization with an accused monopoly. (notice that M$ is officially a criminal organization, tried and convicted)
Well of course you're looking at an Apple device, and they (Apple) are known for good engineering, if expensive. Other companies haven't as yet produced anything with good battery life as far as i know....
Anyone out ther ever use Firewire or that IEsomethingsomething? Transfer rates are at 400 Mbit/sec.. you know like iPODS?
Of course iPODS have had bluetooth for a couple of months now but then discontinued because Apple is releasing their own version... in fact the next Powerbooks are also supposed to come w/ bluetooth, April 30th.
anyways... Firewire 2.0 should really rock... USB 2.0 is already out but isn't really supported by anyone as far as I can tell.
just comments.
Does this mean that all smart people don't play the Lottery? just curious... i've never played, I'd rather take that money and invest it in something with a gauranteed return.
interesting hypothesis though and the part about less money slotted for education because of the Lottery is a very good point that people should take note of.