"At the speed they were going, the force required to achieve full rudder deflection was *less* than the "breakout" force -- i.e., the force required to deflect the rudders at all. Once the pilot elected to use the rudder, it was over."
No one would design such a system. IIRC, the issue was that it was just too sensitive in general. Which isn't great, of course, but not as monumentally stupid as having the rudder immediately deflect fully.
Not much of a surprise, though. Nowadays every article seems to be full of +5 Insightful complaints that miss the point totally. God people on this site are stupid.
I'll bet the next reply to this post will tell me to just leave if I don't like it. Maybe I will.
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The pilot made *excessive* alternating rudder inputs. The main problem with the aircraft seems to have been that it wasn't programmed to stop him. Try trusting the NTSB reports instead of the conspiracy theories.
Not to mention that turning this into a pissing contest will force someone else to bring up the problems with the Boeing 737 rudder. You wouldn't want that, would you?
"It's a horrible pain in the ass to keep anything archived on DVD."
No shit. I can't believe someone seriously gave that advice, and actually got modded up for it. The man has 280 GB of data and is considering getting another 400GB hard drive. Somehow I don't think DVD's are going to cut it.
What he needs (and what I need too, for that matter) is cheap network attached storage for the home, but unfortunately I haven't been able to find such a product so far. I hope some manufacturer realizes the demand.
Personally I currently just have an OpenBSD server in a closet with a bunch of hard drives attached. Everything's backed up on another machine. But I think someone was discussing this in another thread already.
"Unfortunately openbsd are so sure that there are no viruses that run on it any report is not believed.. classic circular reasoning - there are no viruses on openbsd, therefore any reports of viruses are incorrect..."
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that the developers themselves would behave like this. If they're smart enough to keep OpenBSD as secure as it is, certainly they would meticulously investigate every reported vulnerability.
I find it much easier to believe that some arrogant users flamed the complaint, but such behavior isn't exactly new.
It's also worth defining what one considers a virus. The old method of traveling via removable media has today been virtually completely replaced by remote exploits, and in that sense OpenBSD should be nearly impenetrable. There's not much any operating system can do to protect against already running code that harms the user's own (writable) data.
Additionally, while any operating system can be infected by an administrator executing unsafe code, that's a trojan, not a virus.
First of all, I'd like to apologize for the tone of my post. It was supposed to be a bit tongue-in-cheek. Something Awful has been down for a few days...
Even so, I stand by my argument. Your post was without value, for the following reasons:
1) It is repeated in every single discussion about cell phones, and nothing new ever comes out of it.
2) You didn't defend your position at all, and the remark by itself is meaningless, as simple cell phones are available.
3) This is not a discussion forum for people who don't understand technology. If you think it's a problem that high tech toys are bought by people who don't know how to use them, we can certainly discuss that, but it wasn't mentioned in the post I objected to.
4) Your post suggested that advanced phones are worthless in general, and you're now trying to back away from that position to sound more reasonable. Your post was as much a troll as mine was flamebait.
Certainly you must understand that comments like yours are quite annoying and counterproductive. Like I said in my other reply, would you recommend MS-DOS to someone who's having problems with windows? It may be enough to fill your needs, but someone needing Windows will have to deal with the viruses, and will not want to hear about how someone else would love to buy a computer without an IP-stack*.
Landfills are a very good topic, though...
"Gratuitiously buying high-tech toys simply makes landfills bigger and shrinks your wallet"
I agree completely. I even make a point of never using CD:s, DVD:s or paper unless outside circumstances force me to. All I need is stored and backed up on my hard drives, which have a much higher data density. Everything I need to transfer is moved over the network.
But that said, someone buying a phone too advanced for them will only be hurting their wallet, not the environment. The advanced phones aren't significantly larger than the lesser ones. It's the engineering that is expensive, not the materials.
*Taking the analogy further, this doesn't, of course, mean that you shouldn't recommend Linux, if it can do the particular task as well as Windows. Current phone operating systems are a complete joke, and disparaging them without belittling the features is perfectly ok. They should definitely not be getting viruses.
"I don't think this post has anything wrong with it. It is relevant, has an opinion, and is written out in proper English."
It is not relevant. Would you tell Windows-users to switch to MS-DOS if a vulnerability is discovered in the IP-stack?
"Another thing: Don't you think its kind of crazy that a simple device such as a phone is getting a virus?"
It is not a "phone". It is a mobile computing device. Don't you think it's kind of crazy that a simple device such as a calculator is getting a virus?
"I think this guy was perfectly valid in his statement, even if it has been said many times before."
No, he wasn't. It does matter that it's been said many times before. The same comment pops up in every submission that even mentions mobile phones. At this point it and the resulting argument are nothing but line noise.
As for your point about marketing practices, they vary a lot from area to area. These problems could be discussed separately and intelligently, but they were most certainly not what he was referring to. Sorry, but he is a troll. The style of my post may have been flamebait, but I am nevertheless correct.
"Is there anything wrong with a cell phone that's just a phone? All I want to do is make calls."
For fuck's sake, when will these trolls not be modded up anymore? If you want to make calls only, then get a simple phone, retard. And no, I refuse to be civil towards these posters anymore. Their arguments are refuted every single time, and they keep being modded up.
You are no better than the idiot teenagers who think stupid ringtones are the shit. You're just at the other end of the spectrum. You're trying to sound cool by putting down something you don't understand. Luddites of the worst kind. What the hell are you doing on slashdot?
Now that I'm done ranting, I'd just like to note that I, for one, *would* like a phone that can do SSH, thank you very much.
Ah, I'm sorry I complained. I should've realized the field length was the cause.
I still think tinyurl is evil in general, though, for the already mentioned reasons. The destination doesn't have to be nefarious for it to be annoying. I wish people didn't use it.
What's even more worrying is that the article seems to assume that the "authorities" have some kind of right to see what's on our computers. Now we're not only communists, but also terrorists? Fuck you, cnet.
Besides, if I was a criminal, the authorities would not just have to understand Firefox, they'd have to break Blowfish...
Why do you hide the link in your sig behind tinyurl? It's annoying enough when people use it to save characters on irc when the clipboard doesn't care, but what reason is there to do so within an a-tag? It already has a mechanism for making the visual link shorter than what it points to.
All tinyurl accomplishes is making it more difficult to know where you're heading, and creating a web full of useless references after it's gone.
"even if the quality of their news output has dropped of late."
Yes, what's up with that? I cringe every time I hear "Putting news first!! we rulez OMG" on BBC World. I thought they were above such cheap gimmicks, and their reporters are starting to sound more and more like their American counterparts.
No, I don't care how the victim's third cousin's grandmother feels. Seriously. Let CNN handle her. And stop interviewing bullshit celebrities on Hardtalk Extra. Please. For fuck's sake.
"Does the 6 in the article's title imply there are 5 others, or does it have some other significance?"
There are 5 more, but they're just something that a group of friends would film in high school. 1-4 use poorly drawn computer graphics that get progressively better, and the 5th one uses real people.
"So this is a coral link. Great. Now, do I trust that the system does the right thing if I put my credit card number in to actually order the DVD?"
I thought it would be a good compromise to just warn about it, like I did. Now it won't be melted by everyone who just wants to see the website, and people who actually want to order it still have a functional form as soon as they edit the url.
"This is your laptop. Its root password is taped on the back. Please remove it when you have memorized it. The following conditions apply:
1) If you break the operating system, you must reinstall it yourself. 2) If you break the hardware, you must pay for it. Hard drives and fans will be replaced for free, after an examination. 3) At the end of the school year, you must return the laptop, which will then be reimaged to respect your privacy.
Things like this piss me off. When I was in high school, I and my friends were the pest of the computer room, but if anyone had even suggested punishing us academically, they'd probably have been fired on the spot.
We were young, so we'd mostly do stuff like download music (this was before it got popular, though), play games and install rootkits. But even so, it was the intellectual challenge that motivated us. We never did anything malicious apart from some mild practical jokes, and we always took good care of the systems we abused. In fact, we cleaned up after all the idiots who knew nothing, but downloaded random infected executables.
Every once in a while we'd get caught (risks are fun), and the worst punishment we ever got was a one month computer ban. It turned into a symbiosis where the admin would use our talents when he could, and then bust us when we got caught. We gladly helped him, because we liked him, and I'm sure he too got a kick out of outwitting us now and then.
One April fools day I wrote a batch file that claimed to be a virus, with the intent of scaring one random person. Instead the fools thought it was real and closed down everything. I personally went to the head administrator and confessed, so they could bring up the computers again. My apology was accepted and I was not punished at all.
When we were about to graduate, I thought we needed a special surprise for the show our class was arranging. The computer room was completely closed for the last month or so, but bullshited my way inside anyway (yay for social engineering!). At the show, we called the administrator up on stage, told everyone that he needs a raise for all the grief we've caused him, and then presented him with his password. God that was fun.
The consequences? Nothing, really. I later showed him what I had done (look at me, I'm so clever!), and we laughed about it. I also told him we hadn't actually used the password for anything, and he believed me because he had no reason to think I was lying.
I'm glad I don't live in the US. I'd probably have ended up in prison instead of graduating among the top of my class.
Anything that works for you, but CD:s just don't have the required data density. I would require over 1000 of them, and they degrade silently instead of noticeably.
Personally, I duplicate every hard drive in my workstation to a hard drive in my server, which is behind a UPS. Other precautions I have taken include running separate operating systems and making sure the backup drive isn't made by the same company.
The house could burn down, of course, but I haven't been able to find anyone willing to keep one of my computers in their closet yet.
"Instead of focusing on the symptoms they should direct their attention to the cause"
I would go even further and say it's the exact same symptom. This statistic doesn't prove anything about the habits of pirates, it just proves that the general population is hopelessly behind on the technology curve.
We now have:
-a delivery method that wastes virtually no natural resources
-3,5" hard drives that won't even notice a person's whole collection
-portable music players that store weeks of rewritable content in a matchbox
And yet people continue using Compact Discs. Plastic abominations that need to be manufactured (pollution), transported (pollution), and stored (insane waste of space).
It makes me sick. There's no problem a CD can solve better than the abstraction that is called a "file" can. (Want to take your music to a friend's party? Amplifiers have this thing called a line in, use your player, damnit. Your car doesn't support it? It's cheaper to get a more modern radio than it is to continue buying plastic discs forever.)
The CD is still popular because people are too lazy to learn something new. It pains me to notice how easily we could reduce our pollution levels without sacrificing any quality of life if people would just spend a bit more time thinking. I almost don't care if the RIAA has its way with them.
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"At the speed they were going, the force required to achieve full rudder deflection was *less* than the "breakout" force -- i.e., the force required to deflect the rudders at all. Once the pilot elected to use the rudder, it was over."
No one would design such a system. IIRC, the issue was that it was just too sensitive in general. Which isn't great, of course, but not as monumentally stupid as having the rudder immediately deflect fully.
Yeah, I know. I should've put quotation marks around "problem".
Btw, fly by wire aircraft still use hydraulic systems. It's just that the computers control them.
The reason I'm getting so frustrated is that while I can do that, someone who doesn't know better will just be bombarded with misinformation.
I've also always had a very strong urge to argue with people who are wrong. Maybe my own life would be better if I just didn't care :-).
And he got modded up, too.
Not much of a surprise, though. Nowadays every article seems to be full of +5 Insightful complaints that miss the point totally. God people on this site are stupid.
I'll bet the next reply to this post will tell me to just leave if I don't like it. Maybe I will.
The pilot made *excessive* alternating rudder inputs. The main problem with the aircraft seems to have been that it wasn't programmed to stop him. Try trusting the NTSB reports instead of the conspiracy theories.
Not to mention that turning this into a pissing contest will force someone else to bring up the problems with the Boeing 737 rudder. You wouldn't want that, would you?
"It's a horrible pain in the ass to keep anything archived on DVD."
No shit. I can't believe someone seriously gave that advice, and actually got modded up for it. The man has 280 GB of data and is considering getting another 400GB hard drive. Somehow I don't think DVD's are going to cut it.
What he needs (and what I need too, for that matter) is cheap network attached storage for the home, but unfortunately I haven't been able to find such a product so far. I hope some manufacturer realizes the demand.
Personally I currently just have an OpenBSD server in a closet with a bunch of hard drives attached. Everything's backed up on another machine. But I think someone was discussing this in another thread already.
"Unfortunately openbsd are so sure that there are no viruses that run on it any report is not believed.. classic circular reasoning - there are no viruses on openbsd, therefore any reports of viruses are incorrect..."
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that the developers themselves would behave like this. If they're smart enough to keep OpenBSD as secure as it is, certainly they would meticulously investigate every reported vulnerability.
I find it much easier to believe that some arrogant users flamed the complaint, but such behavior isn't exactly new.
It's also worth defining what one considers a virus. The old method of traveling via removable media has today been virtually completely replaced by remote exploits, and in that sense OpenBSD should be nearly impenetrable. There's not much any operating system can do to protect against already running code that harms the user's own (writable) data.
Additionally, while any operating system can be infected by an administrator executing unsafe code, that's a trojan, not a virus.
First of all, I'd like to apologize for the tone of my post. It was supposed to be a bit tongue-in-cheek. Something Awful has been down for a few days...
Even so, I stand by my argument. Your post was without value, for the following reasons:
1) It is repeated in every single discussion about cell phones, and nothing new ever comes out of it.
2) You didn't defend your position at all, and the remark by itself is meaningless, as simple cell phones are available.
3) This is not a discussion forum for people who don't understand technology. If you think it's a problem that high tech toys are bought by people who don't know how to use them, we can certainly discuss that, but it wasn't mentioned in the post I objected to.
4) Your post suggested that advanced phones are worthless in general, and you're now trying to back away from that position to sound more reasonable. Your post was as much a troll as mine was flamebait.
Certainly you must understand that comments like yours are quite annoying and counterproductive. Like I said in my other reply, would you recommend MS-DOS to someone who's having problems with windows? It may be enough to fill your needs, but someone needing Windows will have to deal with the viruses, and will not want to hear about how someone else would love to buy a computer without an IP-stack*.
Landfills are a very good topic, though...
"Gratuitiously buying high-tech toys simply makes landfills bigger and shrinks your wallet"
I agree completely. I even make a point of never using CD:s, DVD:s or paper unless outside circumstances force me to. All I need is stored and backed up on my hard drives, which have a much higher data density. Everything I need to transfer is moved over the network.
But that said, someone buying a phone too advanced for them will only be hurting their wallet, not the environment. The advanced phones aren't significantly larger than the lesser ones. It's the engineering that is expensive, not the materials.
*Taking the analogy further, this doesn't, of course, mean that you shouldn't recommend Linux, if it can do the particular task as well as Windows. Current phone operating systems are a complete joke, and disparaging them without belittling the features is perfectly ok. They should definitely not be getting viruses.
"I don't think this post has anything wrong with it. It is relevant, has an opinion, and is written out in proper English."
It is not relevant. Would you tell Windows-users to switch to MS-DOS if a vulnerability is discovered in the IP-stack?
"Another thing: Don't you think its kind of crazy that a simple device such as a phone is getting a virus?"
It is not a "phone". It is a mobile computing device. Don't you think it's kind of crazy that a simple device such as a calculator is getting a virus?
"I think this guy was perfectly valid in his statement, even if it has been said many times before."
No, he wasn't. It does matter that it's been said many times before. The same comment pops up in every submission that even mentions mobile phones. At this point it and the resulting argument are nothing but line noise.
As for your point about marketing practices, they vary a lot from area to area. These problems could be discussed separately and intelligently, but they were most certainly not what he was referring to. Sorry, but he is a troll. The style of my post may have been flamebait, but I am nevertheless correct.
"Is there anything wrong with a cell phone that's just a phone? All I want to do is make calls."
For fuck's sake, when will these trolls not be modded up anymore? If you want to make calls only, then get a simple phone, retard. And no, I refuse to be civil towards these posters anymore. Their arguments are refuted every single time, and they keep being modded up.
You are no better than the idiot teenagers who think stupid ringtones are the shit. You're just at the other end of the spectrum. You're trying to sound cool by putting down something you don't understand. Luddites of the worst kind. What the hell are you doing on slashdot?
Now that I'm done ranting, I'd just like to note that I, for one, *would* like a phone that can do SSH, thank you very much.
What password, your honor? That's just my unformatted drive I haven't added to fstab yet...
Ah, I'm sorry I complained. I should've realized the field length was the cause.
I still think tinyurl is evil in general, though, for the already mentioned reasons. The destination doesn't have to be nefarious for it to be annoying. I wish people didn't use it.
What's even more worrying is that the article seems to assume that the "authorities" have some kind of right to see what's on our computers. Now we're not only communists, but also terrorists? Fuck you, cnet.
Besides, if I was a criminal, the authorities would not just have to understand Firefox, they'd have to break Blowfish...
Why do you hide the link in your sig behind tinyurl? It's annoying enough when people use it to save characters on irc when the clipboard doesn't care, but what reason is there to do so within an a-tag? It already has a mechanism for making the visual link shorter than what it points to.
All tinyurl accomplishes is making it more difficult to know where you're heading, and creating a web full of useless references after it's gone.
"even if the quality of their news output has dropped of late."
Yes, what's up with that? I cringe every time I hear "Putting news first!! we rulez OMG" on BBC World. I thought they were above such cheap gimmicks, and their reporters are starting to sound more and more like their American counterparts.
No, I don't care how the victim's third cousin's grandmother feels. Seriously. Let CNN handle her. And stop interviewing bullshit celebrities on Hardtalk Extra. Please. For fuck's sake.
"Does the 6 in the article's title imply there are 5 others, or does it have some other significance?"
There are 5 more, but they're just something that a group of friends would film in high school. 1-4 use poorly drawn computer graphics that get progressively better, and the 5th one uses real people.
"The english order page is here, but the darn thing is quite expensive. It's listed as 24 euros, which is $29.35 in American money."
Note to everyone: Remember to edit the URL if you're ordering it.
Also remember that there will be a free download later. Personally I'm going to pay for it, though, because they deserve all the support they can get.
"So this is a coral link. Great. Now, do I trust that the system does the right thing if I put my credit card number in to actually order the DVD?"
I thought it would be a good compromise to just warn about it, like I did. Now it won't be melted by everyone who just wants to see the website, and people who actually want to order it still have a functional form as soon as they edit the url.
Not to mention that there will be a free download.
"99% of media purchasers will no doubt think that giving away rights is a fair compromise for not having to use an audio *and* video cable."
But it "refreshes images instead of reloading them, which makes for better performance"!!
We've already lost...
And I guess if the students used school-issued pencils to write sex novels, that would be the school's fault, too?
You're right about the headline, though. The times we live in...
(Not to mention that anyone who *wants* porn is old enough to appreciate it, but that's an entirely different argument.)
Sorry, but this is what would be a sane policy:
"This is your laptop. Its root password is taped on the back. Please remove it when you have memorized it. The following conditions apply:
1) If you break the operating system, you must reinstall it yourself.
2) If you break the hardware, you must pay for it. Hard drives and fans will be replaced for free, after an examination.
3) At the end of the school year, you must return the laptop, which will then be reimaged to respect your privacy.
Have fun studying."
Things like this piss me off. When I was in high school, I and my friends were the pest of the computer room, but if anyone had even suggested punishing us academically, they'd probably have been fired on the spot.
We were young, so we'd mostly do stuff like download music (this was before it got popular, though), play games and install rootkits. But even so, it was the intellectual challenge that motivated us. We never did anything malicious apart from some mild practical jokes, and we always took good care of the systems we abused. In fact, we cleaned up after all the idiots who knew nothing, but downloaded random infected executables.
Every once in a while we'd get caught (risks are fun), and the worst punishment we ever got was a one month computer ban. It turned into a symbiosis where the admin would use our talents when he could, and then bust us when we got caught. We gladly helped him, because we liked him, and I'm sure he too got a kick out of outwitting us now and then.
One April fools day I wrote a batch file that claimed to be a virus, with the intent of scaring one random person. Instead the fools thought it was real and closed down everything. I personally went to the head administrator and confessed, so they could bring up the computers again. My apology was accepted and I was not punished at all.
When we were about to graduate, I thought we needed a special surprise for the show our class was arranging. The computer room was completely closed for the last month or so, but bullshited my way inside anyway (yay for social engineering!). At the show, we called the administrator up on stage, told everyone that he needs a raise for all the grief we've caused him, and then presented him with his password. God that was fun.
The consequences? Nothing, really. I later showed him what I had done (look at me, I'm so clever!), and we laughed about it. I also told him we hadn't actually used the password for anything, and he believed me because he had no reason to think I was lying.
I'm glad I don't live in the US. I'd probably have ended up in prison instead of graduating among the top of my class.
Anything that works for you, but CD:s just don't have the required data density. I would require over 1000 of them, and they degrade silently instead of noticeably.
Personally, I duplicate every hard drive in my workstation to a hard drive in my server, which is behind a UPS. Other precautions I have taken include running separate operating systems and making sure the backup drive isn't made by the same company.
The house could burn down, of course, but I haven't been able to find anyone willing to keep one of my computers in their closet yet.
"Instead of focusing on the symptoms they should direct their attention to the cause"
I would go even further and say it's the exact same symptom. This statistic doesn't prove anything about the habits of pirates, it just proves that the general population is hopelessly behind on the technology curve.
We now have:
-a delivery method that wastes virtually no natural resources
-3,5" hard drives that won't even notice a person's whole collection
-portable music players that store weeks of rewritable content in a matchbox
And yet people continue using Compact Discs. Plastic abominations that need to be manufactured (pollution), transported (pollution), and stored (insane waste of space).
It makes me sick. There's no problem a CD can solve better than the abstraction that is called a "file" can. (Want to take your music to a friend's party? Amplifiers have this thing called a line in, use your player, damnit. Your car doesn't support it? It's cheaper to get a more modern radio than it is to continue buying plastic discs forever.)
The CD is still popular because people are too lazy to learn something new. It pains me to notice how easily we could reduce our pollution levels without sacrificing any quality of life if people would just spend a bit more time thinking. I almost don't care if the RIAA has its way with them.