Ouch. Chances are I could. However I would be extremly bored with all the microsoft knowledge about how they want to take over the world and such. I am extremly opposed to a comapany that wants to control the content on my computer or your computer or my mothers computer for that fact. If some gentleman paid a little more time to helping his group patch there systems, or research a way to improve the OS systems security. Their idea of security seems to point in the direction of knowing whats on your system. Making sure your a good boy. Hell that is easy enough, now keep the rest of the world off of the operating system and then tell me about your smilies.
I am not an idiot like you might want to think. Sice I understood you the first time. I can clearly see that the information was personally related to a microsoft employee. Still doesnt change my point.
Also about Microsoft wanting me impressed....
If I am unimpressed by what they come up with then there are thousand more that are also unimpressed.
The only people that are impressed by Microsoft are the ones that are blind to the truth.
Talk big, walk nothing.
Wow must be pretty good.
I got 4 mods that is the first time that anyone has wanted to mod my shit that much.
1 good
3 bad !
Anyway the fact that the first smiley post was found was really cool.
The fact that it was posted by microsoft R&D regardless of personal site or not is irrelevant.
I figure that there R&D needs a little bit more than smiley's to impress me.
I am also happy, that you are smart enough to be able to judge someones intelegece level from a one paragraph opinion. That must make you god;)
THis is on Micro$ofts website ? Figures that THEY would be the ones to say that THEY found it first.
Typical of them.
Also this is what their research team does ? Finds smileys ? What about getting a grip on your OS R&D ?
Not to mention that the mail man doesnt come into your house, he just walks by the outside of it. Once anything is directly target to me (like how far along I am on my car loan, or maybe i should go to the dentist because its been six months) and then displayed right infront of my eyes in a place that I am trying to feel secure. Then the whole reason I have a front door with a lock is blown away by some ass hole that has been digging through my garbage just to find out what long distance carrier i use and what brand of toothpaste i brush my teeth with. Then say " HEY , I know everything about your life!"
Big brother exists but I dont expect him to announce him self every 15 minutes while watching my favorite tv show. Man Fsck this $hit
Debian shooting its self in the foot?
all these are based on debian, they all did something different. Instead of joining debian they wanted to be better now all but Libranet are gone
I like to go to IRC channels to find help and to help others. I went to the libranet channel and there are 5 people including me there. I said hello and there was no response. The message boards that are there for support are from individuals that have paid for the product also ? Very loyal fan base I must say. Forced to buy it with the option to support it for free. I wonder if MS has a message board?
Are you guys getting enough advertisement ?
Maybe if you had a larger user base you could get those same things donated to you. I see where you are going with this, but have you thought about the amount of users that will pass you up if they have to pay for it? One other problem is most people that read/. wont buy an operating system off of a review alone. If that was true then everyone would buy a copy of winXP everytime they read an article on MSNBC. I feel sorry for you guys as I do for the rest of the world. Everyone has to pay the bills. I hope for your sake that they buy it just because its base is debian. Wich is as you know a name that people trust.
Tal , your absolutly right. The libranet team has the right idea. You are helping the community with time saving functionality. However, you force users to pay for it. I am willing to listen to what you have to say but if you want me to buy your distro you have to sell it to me, without giving me selling points that I can find in other distrobutions for free. I am a firm believer that if you love the distro, support the distro. However what you are asking is support the distro and maybe you will love it or maybe you will find its not right for you. Either way you get your money right?
Find it:) they dont , they publicly state that they dont. Reason: they didnt get enough money from 2.0 users. It is also not free speach you have to pay 45 bucks to download what they have to say.
Enhancements ? Yeah great, the only thing that you provide is your admin menu , and a new installer. Dont fluff yourself buddy. Your doing the samething that everyone else is in the distro race, your just one of the few that force people to buy your product.
Version 2.7 of libranet is not free , they will not offer it for free either. They say in the message boards that it si because not enough people buy it. They also say that they want 100,000 users in 3 months. Nice 5 million dollar income from a debian rip off
Hopefully they will make a free version but until then you have to download version 2.0
Person that builds and repairs the roads and cars we drive? The school teachers which prove that with a degree you can still make terrible money anyway. How about the guy that mows your neigbors lawn. I am pretty sure that he doesnt have degree , but htey make more money than you think.
Dude, come on. You are saying that anyone that doesnt have a degree is going to be broke and never be able to afford anything on their own. People like you are just a joke. You are the more arrogant ones that the guy in the parent post didnt like.
Your ratonality has been blown away somewhere.
This fact remains. Degree or no degree people that have the talent, the skills (people and technical) get the job done. Period Nothing else.
It doesnt matter, its a 2 way street. If you lose your job you will find another. If you dont like your job, you can find another. If you dont like the industry you can change!
Stating that without a degree you cant retire, maybe not the way that you would like to but what about all the blue collor workers in the world that will still retire and they make less money they we do!
Dude what planet are you on ? AI, ten years LOL. People create software, they maintain software, they break software.
AI has nothing to do with it. There is no AI in any factory's LOL. Its preprogramed by people. Not hey see if you can figure out how to do it. Currently there is no true AI. Just alogorythms and such written for people. What you are suggesting is a complete collapse of the entire technical industry .
If we make software that doesnt ever break, then you kill QA, SA,and all your programers are gone, no more developers.
Why would you have sysadmins to work on a perfect OS ? Why would you need developers to design something better than perfect ?
also this "This kinda job, you can let a script do it, and most Linux and Unix admins do just that, the scripts and AI handles most of the work" Where do you work because I want to see a company that is almost completely based off of AI controlled systems.
Next you go on to say that all hackers will be blocked. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Come on , every security mesure that has been put in place has been broken. Firewalls, Encryption, you name it. SOMEONE out there will get in.
Cool dream though.
I disagree with the scientist's need a degree to be a scientist. That is far from true.
Think of the high school drop out.. Einstien.
The major players in the scientific world are the ones that made something to study about.
What college does provide is the education to try and understand something so complex that most simple minds cant understand with out tutoring.
Bad thing about lawyers is that the degree is required for you to learn all the laws. Knowledge of the law wont win you the court case however. Its just proving whether or not the defendent actually broke the already said written law.
Hey I love your stereotype. Nothing is better than stereotyping people because they dont have a degree. Having a degree or not makes no difference on technical ability. You are correct. Personality is everything. I believe that you should evaluate personality and skill, not just whether or not they have a degree. It is my belief that if you hire someone with a bad personality that you failed in your interview process. In my opinion, the fact that you only get to meet some of the people that you manage is also a failure in the interview process. If interviewing is done by people in a higher position than your own, then as we all know sometmes we just have to live with their decision.
One thing to note about degrees. The information that you learn the first year is out of date when you graduate. Technolgy as you know moves so fast that wasting 4 years in college "can" set you back. However that is not always the case. However someone with out the degree may have 4 extra years in a production environment. To me that is very important. Either way that you choose just make sure that you stay up to date an all events that pertain to your field
The skills needed to learn how to work with others has nothing to do with college or with high school. I find that case irrelavent.
College tech classes dont teach costomer service and neither does high school.
Sure do! However, I believe that it is more likley that we will kill humanity witha backteria from deep sea mining or from a dinosour bone than from some planet that is pretty damn dead. People dont live in the ocean we dont have gills. People dont live on mars becuase of atmosphere. I dont think that anything on mars would not live on earth. ITs apples and oranges.
Think about this. I cannot think of any living thing from earth that would be able to immediatly adapt to live and survive on such a cold planet. Reverse perspective, how could any such bacteria or organism make that type of dramatic adjustment to a warmer climate. I dont think that we have anything to worry about. TV rots our brains.
ohh and FYI to eveyone. I probably wont be posting much on this subject anymore because, no one knows where I am coming from, and to I am tired of wasting my beak explaining to people the way that I feel , and trying to defend the fact that I do not force anyone in my company to work, they do it because they want to. This company has a very low turn over rate.
If anyone has any questions or needs clarification you can email me.
This whole entire post was started when some on said that IS does not have permission to look on my machine for anything. My complaint was, you dont own the hardware. I simply stated that my company uses a computer usage policy. That policy states, no pirated software, do not knowingly send out viruses,no porn, blah blah blah. I am sure you know that a company has the right to prevent illegal activities from taking place on its computers and it's smart idea to make sure that a new employee understands that and signs that on a peice of paper before employment is granted inorder to protect the company and its name. If you disagree then your not one of those bright people.
Second, our company is filled with very bright people, those people work very hard, and I do not bust their balls. Those same people get paid an excessive amount of money (compared to mine) to engineer design solutions for other companys, such as the Adobe building. Those people agree that they dont have the time to waste when they need to get a job done. If one person decides he doesnt have to work then it is onfair to everyone in my company that tries so hard to complete there work and create revenue for the company.
This got out of hand when I tried explaining myself and didnt do a very good job. I tried explaining moral issues and work ethic and people then decided that I was a nazi, I rat people out, I want everyone fired, I am an idiot. I should be a roofer not an SA.
Thats their opinion. I can live with that. Most of the people on this forum just cannot live with the fact that they get paid to do a job.
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Ouch. Chances are I could. However I would be extremly bored with all the microsoft knowledge about how they want to take over the world and such. I am extremly opposed to a comapany that wants to control the content on my computer or your computer or my mothers computer for that fact. If some gentleman paid a little more time to helping his group patch there systems, or research a way to improve the OS systems security. Their idea of security seems to point in the direction of knowing whats on your system. Making sure your a good boy. Hell that is easy enough, now keep the rest of the world off of the operating system and then tell me about your smilies. I am not an idiot like you might want to think. Sice I understood you the first time. I can clearly see that the information was personally related to a microsoft employee. Still doesnt change my point. Also about Microsoft wanting me impressed.... If I am unimpressed by what they come up with then there are thousand more that are also unimpressed. The only people that are impressed by Microsoft are the ones that are blind to the truth. Talk big, walk nothing.
Oh, please point out my misspellings, god of all beings. Dont forget punctuation. All masterfull one. Dick
Wow must be pretty good. I got 4 mods that is the first time that anyone has wanted to mod my shit that much. 1 good 3 bad ! Anyway the fact that the first smiley post was found was really cool. The fact that it was posted by microsoft R&D regardless of personal site or not is irrelevant. I figure that there R&D needs a little bit more than smiley's to impress me. I am also happy, that you are smart enough to be able to judge someones intelegece level from a one paragraph opinion. That must make you god ;)
THis is on Micro$ofts website ? Figures that THEY would be the ones to say that THEY found it first. Typical of them. Also this is what their research team does ? Finds smileys ? What about getting a grip on your OS R&D ?
Not to mention that the mail man doesnt come into your house, he just walks by the outside of it. Once anything is directly target to me (like how far along I am on my car loan, or maybe i should go to the dentist because its been six months) and then displayed right infront of my eyes in a place that I am trying to feel secure. Then the whole reason I have a front door with a lock is blown away by some ass hole that has been digging through my garbage just to find out what long distance carrier i use and what brand of toothpaste i brush my teeth with. Then say " HEY , I know everything about your life!" Big brother exists but I dont expect him to announce him self every 15 minutes while watching my favorite tv show. Man Fsck this $hit
Debian shooting its self in the foot? all these are based on debian, they all did something different. Instead of joining debian they wanted to be better now all but Libranet are gone
I like to go to IRC channels to find help and to help others. I went to the libranet channel and there are 5 people including me there. I said hello and there was no response. The message boards that are there for support are from individuals that have paid for the product also ? Very loyal fan base I must say. Forced to buy it with the option to support it for free. I wonder if MS has a message board?
Yes, I agree with you.
Are you guys getting enough advertisement ? Maybe if you had a larger user base you could get those same things donated to you. I see where you are going with this, but have you thought about the amount of users that will pass you up if they have to pay for it? One other problem is most people that read /. wont buy an operating system off of a review alone. If that was true then everyone would buy a copy of winXP everytime they read an article on MSNBC. I feel sorry for you guys as I do for the rest of the world. Everyone has to pay the bills. I hope for your sake that they buy it just because its base is debian. Wich is as you know a name that people trust.
Tal , your absolutly right. The libranet team has the right idea. You are helping the community with time saving functionality. However, you force users to pay for it. I am willing to listen to what you have to say but if you want me to buy your distro you have to sell it to me, without giving me selling points that I can find in other distrobutions for free. I am a firm believer that if you love the distro, support the distro. However what you are asking is support the distro and maybe you will love it or maybe you will find its not right for you. Either way you get your money right?
Find it :) they dont , they publicly state that they dont. Reason: they didnt get enough money from 2.0 users. It is also not free speach you have to pay 45 bucks to download what they have to say.
Enhancements ? Yeah great, the only thing that you provide is your admin menu , and a new installer. Dont fluff yourself buddy. Your doing the samething that everyone else is in the distro race, your just one of the few that force people to buy your product.
Where did you get 2.6 ? they dont offer it anywhere. Only 2.0 and 2.7
Version 2.7 of libranet is not free , they will not offer it for free either. They say in the message boards that it si because not enough people buy it. They also say that they want 100,000 users in 3 months. Nice 5 million dollar income from a debian rip off Hopefully they will make a free version but until then you have to download version 2.0
Person that builds and repairs the roads and cars we drive? The school teachers which prove that with a degree you can still make terrible money anyway. How about the guy that mows your neigbors lawn. I am pretty sure that he doesnt have degree , but htey make more money than you think.
Dude, come on. You are saying that anyone that doesnt have a degree is going to be broke and never be able to afford anything on their own. People like you are just a joke. You are the more arrogant ones that the guy in the parent post didnt like. Your ratonality has been blown away somewhere. This fact remains. Degree or no degree people that have the talent, the skills (people and technical) get the job done. Period Nothing else. It doesnt matter, its a 2 way street. If you lose your job you will find another. If you dont like your job, you can find another. If you dont like the industry you can change! Stating that without a degree you cant retire, maybe not the way that you would like to but what about all the blue collor workers in the world that will still retire and they make less money they we do!
Exactly, I love this guy, an I buy you a Pizza ?
Dude what planet are you on ? AI, ten years LOL. People create software, they maintain software, they break software. AI has nothing to do with it. There is no AI in any factory's LOL. Its preprogramed by people. Not hey see if you can figure out how to do it. Currently there is no true AI. Just alogorythms and such written for people. What you are suggesting is a complete collapse of the entire technical industry . If we make software that doesnt ever break, then you kill QA, SA ,and all your programers are gone, no more developers.
Why would you have sysadmins to work on a perfect OS ? Why would you need developers to design something better than perfect ?
also this "This kinda job, you can let a script do it, and most Linux and Unix admins do just that, the scripts and AI handles most of the work" Where do you work because I want to see a company that is almost completely based off of AI controlled systems.
Next you go on to say that all hackers will be blocked. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Come on , every security mesure that has been put in place has been broken. Firewalls, Encryption, you name it. SOMEONE out there will get in.
Cool dream though.
I disagree with the scientist's need a degree to be a scientist. That is far from true. Think of the high school drop out.. Einstien. The major players in the scientific world are the ones that made something to study about. What college does provide is the education to try and understand something so complex that most simple minds cant understand with out tutoring. Bad thing about lawyers is that the degree is required for you to learn all the laws. Knowledge of the law wont win you the court case however. Its just proving whether or not the defendent actually broke the already said written law.
Hey I love your stereotype. Nothing is better than stereotyping people because they dont have a degree. Having a degree or not makes no difference on technical ability. You are correct. Personality is everything. I believe that you should evaluate personality and skill, not just whether or not they have a degree. It is my belief that if you hire someone with a bad personality that you failed in your interview process. In my opinion, the fact that you only get to meet some of the people that you manage is also a failure in the interview process. If interviewing is done by people in a higher position than your own, then as we all know sometmes we just have to live with their decision. One thing to note about degrees. The information that you learn the first year is out of date when you graduate. Technolgy as you know moves so fast that wasting 4 years in college "can" set you back. However that is not always the case. However someone with out the degree may have 4 extra years in a production environment. To me that is very important. Either way that you choose just make sure that you stay up to date an all events that pertain to your field The skills needed to learn how to work with others has nothing to do with college or with high school. I find that case irrelavent. College tech classes dont teach costomer service and neither does high school.
Sure do! However, I believe that it is more likley that we will kill humanity witha backteria from deep sea mining or from a dinosour bone than from some planet that is pretty damn dead. People dont live in the ocean we dont have gills. People dont live on mars becuase of atmosphere. I dont think that anything on mars would not live on earth. ITs apples and oranges.
Think about this. I cannot think of any living thing from earth that would be able to immediatly adapt to live and survive on such a cold planet. Reverse perspective, how could any such bacteria or organism make that type of dramatic adjustment to a warmer climate. I dont think that we have anything to worry about. TV rots our brains.
thanks acceleriter , at least someone understands something around here :)
ohh and FYI to eveyone. I probably wont be posting much on this subject anymore because, no one knows where I am coming from, and to I am tired of wasting my beak explaining to people the way that I feel , and trying to defend the fact that I do not force anyone in my company to work, they do it because they want to. This company has a very low turn over rate. If anyone has any questions or needs clarification you can email me.
This whole entire post was started when some on said that IS does not have permission to look on my machine for anything. My complaint was, you dont own the hardware. I simply stated that my company uses a computer usage policy. That policy states, no pirated software, do not knowingly send out viruses,no porn, blah blah blah. I am sure you know that a company has the right to prevent illegal activities from taking place on its computers and it's smart idea to make sure that a new employee understands that and signs that on a peice of paper before employment is granted inorder to protect the company and its name. If you disagree then your not one of those bright people. Second, our company is filled with very bright people, those people work very hard, and I do not bust their balls. Those same people get paid an excessive amount of money (compared to mine) to engineer design solutions for other companys, such as the Adobe building. Those people agree that they dont have the time to waste when they need to get a job done. If one person decides he doesnt have to work then it is onfair to everyone in my company that tries so hard to complete there work and create revenue for the company. This got out of hand when I tried explaining myself and didnt do a very good job. I tried explaining moral issues and work ethic and people then decided that I was a nazi, I rat people out, I want everyone fired, I am an idiot. I should be a roofer not an SA. Thats their opinion. I can live with that. Most of the people on this forum just cannot live with the fact that they get paid to do a job.