isn't this all really about making proprietary things and steal privacy?
OS, browser, scripting language for browser, IDE, mobile browser, ect
I see this as the 'browser wars' by different means...
everything should be as interoperable as possible...which would be fewer programming languages b/c there would be less need to translate between abstractions created to lock-in users to one system or track/steal their data
Um, I live in downtown Portland, 14 blocks from the river on a main street
Portland is such a perfect test market, the city should charge Google just for the privalidge of using our fair city
that's just IMHO...
the idea that "fiber" is readily and cheaply available in Portland is incorrect...it's is *possible* but almost all residential users have ADSL through the phone line
none of us know how much fiber Google will lay and where...how much they will charge, how much data they will scrape...
overall, it's very good that Google is adding this infrastructure
, the huge number of people pointing out that you couldn't define a scam
exactly...you're trolling
here's why: my point is valid whether you call it a "scam" or "unfair competition" or w/e term you want to describe the behavior
for some reason, the truth of Uber's "business model" causes Libertards on/. cognitive dissonance so they attack my argument the only way they can think of: by arguing semantics
it is a scam...but use another term and I'm still right...Uber is at fault here and the protesters are right
your entire argument is based on making distinctions where no differences exist...using language only....you refused to engage with the points I made...because they prove you wrong
rhetoric...marketing words...hype...
these ways of describing something do not change the actual existence of it
what Uber *does* is the *same* as a Taxi company *in practice*
the only reason Uber is able to do this is they got people to believe their hype rhetoric
the only difference is semantic and **YOU KNOW THIS**
now there is just litterally too many victims of oligarchy for WASP's to be used as a serfdom
it's a "critical mass" or "tipping point" kind of deal where it's a certainty b/c the GOP's policies are not sustainable
my question is: what next?
eventually Republicans will evolve beyond being the psychotic slaves of the aristocracy...
I think oligarchs will move away from the US to maintain their revenue streams...the US is full of money but there are much easier populations to manipulate at macro-levels
I believe the Democrats and Republicans will re-polarize around economic issues re-framed to cut out all the GOP's bullshit since post-WWII
Things in the USA will get better, but we'll see ***whole countries*** being "gentrified" like neighborhoods in SF
therefore anyone who wants to do something similar
more fatuitousness...stop it
Uber isn't "similar" to a cab company....it ***IS*** a cab company in practice...only rhetoric make it different
Just b/c Uber uses an 'app' doesn't make it different....***CAB COMPANIES HAVE APPS TOO***
NO matter how you parse language, its the same thing
Its like taxi cabs are restaurants selling burgers, and Uber is an *unlicenced* food cart that sells burgers, and they set up right outside the legal restaurant, ****SELLING THE SAME PRODUCT****
and the law allows it anyway b/c of language and you have to buy the burger with an app from the food cart
its cheating, a scam, unfair competition, illegal....choose your language however, the reality is the same
you think Uber is breaking laws about competition but it's not a "scam"
Uber may be breaking laws or violating rules
right...
in money/business when someone breaks laws or violates rules at the harm of others...
it's a scam
if I'm so wrong, show me a definition of scam that proves me wrong
also, it doesn't matter...you agree that Uber is breaking laws and getting away with it...no matter what you're agreeing with my central point...this is entirely a conversation over a definition of a word...you agree with me on the facts
I've seen 4 comments and 2 downmods in 20 minutes for my comment...
I'm at fault here...I always forget how naive/.'ers are about scams
Uber is scamming ****OTHER TAXI COMPANIES**** and calling it "disruption"
They are taking advantage of bribable or dumb localities that will *let Uber run unregulated Taxi service*
Uber is a taxi service....they are scamming other taxi companies **and taxpayers who pay to regulate them**
Besides scamming taxi companies (or "disrupting" them...) here's an example of what happens when you have unlicensed taxi companies...http://valleywag.gawker.com/uber-driver-arrested-for-kidnapping-a-drunk-woman-1585725711
And it is the way it will be. Reality sucks for some.
so you agree that it's wrong, and bad for our industry....what Uber is doing..
we can force Uber to play by the same rules as everyone else, any government can, using the same mechanism they use to make Taxi companies compete fairly/safely
you're probably one of those "privacy is dead" people...wake up and start living your life
you've abdicated your own agency in your life choices...you're behaving like a serf w/ the "free market" as your master
you can choose that existence if you want, and suffer and whine your whole life, or you can join those of us who are working to **fix things**
this Uber flap is an easy fix...people like you are part of the problem
Maybe bloodthirsty (I do enjoy watching Game of Thrones)
haha well I watch it too, in spite of my good taste
thanks for taking my harsh language in stride...glad you agree b/c this really is a problem and we all need to do our part, even if it's just a few posts online
right...love how you have a login but post as AC when you troll
if you can't post it logged-in, then you shouldn't post it
i'm not "whining"...see, you got picked on too much as a child and have a skewed idea of what "whining" is...
when a test or system is unfair or unbalanced then the **ONLY RIGHT THING TO DO** is speak out and act to **FIX THINGS**
speaking out to fix things and conctradict idiots is not "whining"
when the bullies called you a "whiner" they were really exploiting your lack of self-agency
speaking out in the moment is "sticking up for yourself".....saying to others after the fact how unfair things are when you consistently refuse to "stick up for yourself" is "whining"
you're just arguing for a word b/c you're a social darwinist who gets off on other's suffering
when the US criminal justice system punishes the 2008 financial crisis and LIBOR perpetrators I'll entertain teh notion of this being a serious crime, even though I don't see it that way
people stealing from a bank...yes criminal but not **nearly** as harmful to society as a BANK stealing a HOME from a FAMILY
Imagine if a bank employee had just taken an equivalent out of the universities' accounts and spent it. Would that not be enough for a felony, in your opinion?
it's **not analogous**
to answer your question (even though your analogy is hilariously tilted)...NO...IF IT IS AVOIDABLE
you assholes want to pass out felonies like candy...it's BS
Slashdot Mirror
this is about Stingrays... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
more importantly, sources and methods
i think the Justice Dept. is trying to keep this tech out of the hands of the general public
they can't, of course
isn't this all really about making proprietary things and steal privacy?
OS, browser, scripting language for browser, IDE, mobile browser, ect
I see this as the 'browser wars' by different means...
everything should be as interoperable as possible...which would be fewer programming languages b/c there would be less need to translate between abstractions created to lock-in users to one system or track/steal their data
Um, I live in downtown Portland, 14 blocks from the river on a main street
Portland is such a perfect test market, the city should charge Google just for the privalidge of using our fair city
that's just IMHO...
the idea that "fiber" is readily and cheaply available in Portland is incorrect...it's is *possible* but almost all residential users have ADSL through the phone line
none of us know how much fiber Google will lay and where...how much they will charge, how much data they will scrape...
overall, it's very good that Google is adding this infrastructure
exactly...you're trolling
here's why: my point is valid whether you call it a "scam" or "unfair competition" or w/e term you want to describe the behavior
for some reason, the truth of Uber's "business model" causes Libertards on /. cognitive dissonance so they attack my argument the only way they can think of: by arguing semantics
it is a scam...but use another term and I'm still right...Uber is at fault here and the protesters are right
your entire argument is based on making distinctions where no differences exist...using language only....you refused to engage with the points I made...because they prove you wrong
rhetoric...marketing words...hype...
these ways of describing something do not change the actual existence of it
what Uber *does* is the *same* as a Taxi company *in practice*
the only reason Uber is able to do this is they got people to believe their hype rhetoric
the only difference is semantic and **YOU KNOW THIS**
IMHO they went bat shit *decades ago*
now there is just litterally too many victims of oligarchy for WASP's to be used as a serfdom
it's a "critical mass" or "tipping point" kind of deal where it's a certainty b/c the GOP's policies are not sustainable
my question is: what next?
eventually Republicans will evolve beyond being the psychotic slaves of the aristocracy...
I think oligarchs will move away from the US to maintain their revenue streams...the US is full of money but there are much easier populations to manipulate at macro-levels
I believe the Democrats and Republicans will re-polarize around economic issues re-framed to cut out all the GOP's bullshit since post-WWII
Things in the USA will get better, but we'll see ***whole countries*** being "gentrified" like neighborhoods in SF
more fatuitousness...stop it
Uber isn't "similar" to a cab company....it ***IS*** a cab company in practice...only rhetoric make it different
Just b/c Uber uses an 'app' doesn't make it different....***CAB COMPANIES HAVE APPS TOO***
NO matter how you parse language, its the same thing
Its like taxi cabs are restaurants selling burgers, and Uber is an *unlicenced* food cart that sells burgers, and they set up right outside the legal restaurant, ****SELLING THE SAME PRODUCT****
and the law allows it anyway b/c of language and you have to buy the burger with an app from the food cart
its cheating, a scam, unfair competition, illegal....choose your language however, the reality is the same
same product...not similar...THE SAME PRODUCT
They are scamming **other taxi companies**
As I said, /. users are pedantic and naive, so of course they would miss that companies can scam each other
companies scam each other all the time
The problem is that ***you agree*** but don't care to ***fix it***
whether you choose to call this cheating a "scam" or "unfair comptetion" is irrelevant
why you don't want to fix it is the real question
ok beltsbear...
you think Uber is breaking laws about competition but it's not a "scam"
right...
in money/business when someone breaks laws or violates rules at the harm of others...
it's a scam
if I'm so wrong, show me a definition of scam that proves me wrong
also, it doesn't matter...you agree that Uber is breaking laws and getting away with it...no matter what you're agreeing with my central point...this is entirely a conversation over a definition of a word...you agree with me on the facts
I've seen 4 comments and 2 downmods in 20 minutes for my comment...
I'm at fault here...I always forget how naive /.'ers are about scams
Uber is scamming ****OTHER TAXI COMPANIES**** and calling it "disruption"
They are taking advantage of bribable or dumb localities that will *let Uber run unregulated Taxi service*
Uber is a taxi service....they are scamming other taxi companies **and taxpayers who pay to regulate them**
Besides scamming taxi companies (or "disrupting" them...) here's an example of what happens when you have unlicensed taxi companies...http://valleywag.gawker.com/uber-driver-arrested-for-kidnapping-a-drunk-woman-1585725711
"Uber Driver Arrested for Kidnapping Drunk Rider"
Uber's targets are other taxi companies and taxi drivers
as I said above scams are scams
Uber is scamming other taxi companies (and taxpayers)...THAT'S WHY THEY ARE PROTESTING
see above comment to Ksevio
also, you're being naive and fatuous...."Uber is just giving people rides"
you're practically echoing Uber PR....do you work for Uber PR?
it's illegal to run a unregulated taxi service...that's what Uber is doing and it's unfair...
**thats the cause of the protest**
scamming other Taxi companies
a scam is a scam whether they are taking out competition or tricking customers
so you agree that it's wrong, and bad for our industry....what Uber is doing..
we can force Uber to play by the same rules as everyone else, any government can, using the same mechanism they use to make Taxi companies compete fairly/safely
you're probably one of those "privacy is dead" people...wake up and start living your life
you've abdicated your own agency in your life choices...you're behaving like a serf w/ the "free market" as your master
you can choose that existence if you want, and suffer and whine your whole life, or you can join those of us who are working to **fix things**
this Uber flap is an easy fix...people like you are part of the problem
Uber is a taxi service that uses a different words to describe itself and phone apps instead of a radio dispatch
Uber is a taxi service that gets to bypass all the rules for taxi services.
Uber gets to do this b/c of hype, idiots like you, and bribery.
Uber is a scam.
It's a successful scam that uses cool mobile internet technology...but besides the technicals,
Uber is a scam.
It's people giving rides to people for money, connected via Uber's software.
Uber is acting as a taxi company but b/c "innovation" and hype and an app they get to break all the rules.
Uber is a scam.
"disruption" is a word for cheating.
haha well I watch it too, in spite of my good taste
thanks for taking my harsh language in stride...glad you agree b/c this really is a problem and we all need to do our part, even if it's just a few posts online
right...love how you have a login but post as AC when you troll
if you can't post it logged-in, then you shouldn't post it
i'm not "whining"...see, you got picked on too much as a child and have a skewed idea of what "whining" is...
when a test or system is unfair or unbalanced then the **ONLY RIGHT THING TO DO** is speak out and act to **FIX THINGS**
speaking out to fix things and conctradict idiots is not "whining"
when the bullies called you a "whiner" they were really exploiting your lack of self-agency
speaking out in the moment is "sticking up for yourself".....saying to others after the fact how unfair things are when you consistently refuse to "stick up for yourself" is "whining"
again, you're purposefully misunderstanding
you know full well that I objected to the notion of "throwing the book" at this guy
NOWHERE DID I SAY HE SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED
I said the punishment should allow him to keep his career
**and that to complain that my solution is a "light sentence" is wrong, b/c of the hypocricy over prosecution the financial crisis**
you people are bloodthirsty social darwinists who love to find something wrong with others
your problem is schaudenfreud...that's where you're at here...your taking joy in doling out punishment
no...NO>>>NNNOOO
I ***NEVER*** said "it's not a crime"
of course he should be punished...but not a felony and not prison
stop putting words in my mouth
that's not at all the logic I used and you know it
you know exactly what I meant...
it was about the *felony*
when the 2008 financial crisis perpetrators are in prison, ***THEN*** we can legitimately ask if we should be harder on these criminals
as it stands our criminal justice system is egregiously broken and putting people like this in prison won't help
in my original comments I said what he did was a crime and should be punished
I said he should be punished
i said it was criminal
punishment warranted
its a crime
it was in my original comment
you're an idiot
look at you, using italics to make your point
he committed a **FELONY**
you're just arguing for a word b/c you're a social darwinist who gets off on other's suffering
when the US criminal justice system punishes the 2008 financial crisis and LIBOR perpetrators I'll entertain teh notion of this being a serious crime, even though I don't see it that way
people stealing from a bank...yes criminal but not **nearly** as harmful to society as a BANK stealing a HOME from a FAMILY
fsking idiot
boo fsking hoo
when the 1000s of asshats who caused the financial crisis are held accountable...all of them...THEN...your question would be valid
you're a pedantic shit
it's **not analogous**
to answer your question (even though your analogy is hilariously tilted)...NO...IF IT IS AVOIDABLE
you assholes want to pass out felonies like candy...it's BS