I have systems that were first installed 9 years ago, but are still fully up-to-date, with latest kernels, etc.
right...cool...this is what I had envisioned when I dipped my toe into Linux...I asked/. which flavor I should install (IIRC Red Hat was pretty new & getting alot of coverage...no Ubuntu yet)
I liked the reasons given by the Gentoo people so I thought I'd try to install Gentoo and learn programming at the same time...
Didn't ever start the project...it was just too much complexity for me...plus I moved to a place in Colorado that didn't have internet access (or cell reception!!) so I never did it
I wonder if my life would be different if I had bit the bullet and forced myself to go through the process and learn...
it is application developers who haven't yet been sufficiently *pressured by their publishers* into increasing their install base
I agree. Here's where we can actually improve the situation right now.
so it's the "publisher" who is the node in the system with the authorization to make the changes
that's who we must convince...it should be easy b/c as you say,
AND if they go "cross platform or bust" then they get free money via increased market share.
so we, all of us on/., we who actually *do the work* need to speak with ONE VOICE, unanimously, that "cross platform is the only way to go"
we need to delete the concept of OS-locked software from our entire behavioral lexicon
when "publishers" want something done **they have to ask us**
we need to stop fanboi/trolling forever on OS's in public...we need to create a situation where **any time** some non-tech administrator tries to even **mention** going "windows only" that it's "impossible" and "foolish"
we need to say that...loudly, consistentely, and **without** being a fanboi of a certain OS because it shows we're 733t h@xxx0rz...that just muddies the waters and lets them ignore our advice b/c it's too complex for them to understand
when a Windows sales rep calls a "publisher" to try to convince them to make their new software "windows only" we need to create a context where the 'publisher' responds,
"Oh no way. We are all cross-platform in this shop my engineers wouldn't work on something not cross-platform"
Anyone can deny it...the GP's language and content were flame for sure...
Mac's work great overall. The price is usually worth it if you ask people who actually paid full price.
What we need is to be able to acknowledge that there is a difference between "good" for what a/. poster uses an OS for and "good" for what others need.
Many tech-minded people aren't coders...they understand Linux & why its important but just want it to work out of the box
the issue is not about the best OS but choosing the best tools regardless. The whole question of which OS is the best is so 90s. There really are no borders these days.
this is what I was wondering about when I wrote the poll
I agree that this **could** be true...but reading through the responses it seems we aren't quite at the "singularity" point for OS's
Maybe people are taking your "best tool" approach & just b/c of the type of stuff/.'ers use it tends towards Linux
graphic designers still need Mac...it's just all there for you (i do some graphic design)
IMHO Windows is going away...they already give it away free...
so you still didn't explain why these "scumbags" would be any better
a predictable scumbag is better than a completely unpredicatble and unknown scumbag...remember these are your words I don't think this way...but using your words and your logic YOU STILL FAIL
youre wrong all the way...a sizable minority are not "scumbags" at all
you think you're the first person to try a 3rd party?
people like you, on all sides of the issues, sit in dank rooms bitching like this...well...since before there was an "United States of America"
how is a 3rd party going to be funded?
who will vote for them? you cannot in any way suggest that past elections show anything but failure for 3rd parties...other people have to do this besides you...alot more
if they are not any of the filth ridden puke and puss carcasses that are in government now, then you're saying hire **all amatures**???
how will they not avoid overlapping, and thereby creating allies with, democrats and republicans on issues now?
all of these are important...and any one ends the fantasy...all decisions in government are binary...even a system like the EU, with many countries with their own list of several parties...it always boils down to a liberal/conservative minority/majority...and there's always a rump party that gloms onto one or the other for expedience...that's true even in the US now
again, my points above, each one is a point of failure
that's like a compliment in a way...like a 35 year old getting carded to buy cigarettes...
have you read my posts? you think im just double posting to get karma? people hate my comments...alot of times i think people just upmod me b/c i try to stay on topic even though they disagree...seriously i do not think i'm a popular/. poster
yes the comments were similar, but so were the GP's they were in response to...all over any politics thread...and lots of AC's double post...as you can see w/ the AC posted that ridiculous nytimes link w/ no context or explanation
i just cannot stand circular arguments that go on infinitely...it angers me greatly...I used to really see issues get worked out here on/. for example net neutrality...i could read comments and actually learn more than reading any TFA...of course im a leftist/libertarian and my comments reflect that...
none of what you just said matters to the discussion at hand...**OF COURSE** both parties have examples of bad policy now and historically...that is absolutely parenthetical to my point.
I listed **current policies**...if you look at history, the Oligarchs like the Bush family switch parties as needed...they just follow the path of least resistance...whoever is more gullable or bribable...either way works
again...I listed current issues that are continually being voted on in different contexts now
just because Republicans/Conservatives are the most gullable/bribable now doesn't mean that in 10 years the poles wont realign
also: The GOP is also anti-nuclear power...they love fossil fuels too much
I am a major proponent of Nuclear power...there aren't many of us in EITHER PARTY...non-progressive Democrats, which means essentially old ones, oppose anything "nuke" out of instinct...i don't like it...i'm in favor of using nuclear power
again none of this is a counterpoint...the GOP are ruining our country NOW...don't worry, once we fix this problem there will be new problems to solve
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I'm wondering if you intended for your statement to be this broad:
seems like you're targeting one of the world's many religions here...
is Knowledge also "anti-buddah" and "anti-allah"
what about "anti-confuscious"?
science is not "anti" anything....it is a method for consistently and comparatively observing the universe & sharing what we learn
I see this as a way to become a "walled garden" for anyone using their free service eventually....
This is for the stuff facebook and Google are doing to bring internet access to places that have none at present...
Once the full system is up they invent scarcity somehow to justify charging extra to visit non-google sites
your whole post can be disregarded completely
you did not, in any way, offer any comparison to ****OTHER FORMS OF RELIEVING DEPRESSION****
every criticism you list, when applied to any other option, shows those options to be worse, often by an order of magnitude
also, no one believes your bullshit annecdote about seeing marijuana smokers "desperate to get their fix"
you're probably a surgeon who operates under the influence of Prozac...where's the research on how big pharma "anti-depressants" affect performance?
you ruined all the goodwill here you dipshit...damnit
asking what OS/kernel/display environment whatever you want to call it is not trolling
I want you to explain why my informal poll, which 44 people responded to, is "trolling"
slashdot roughly defines trolling in the moderator guidelines...show me how i was trolling
i'm not going to respond...i already 'foe'ed you to avoid this shit...damnit i hate people like you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...
right...cool...this is what I had envisioned when I dipped my toe into Linux...I asked /. which flavor I should install (IIRC Red Hat was pretty new & getting alot of coverage...no Ubuntu yet)
I liked the reasons given by the Gentoo people so I thought I'd try to install Gentoo and learn programming at the same time...
Didn't ever start the project...it was just too much complexity for me...plus I moved to a place in Colorado that didn't have internet access (or cell reception!!) so I never did it
I wonder if my life would be different if I had bit the bullet and forced myself to go through the process and learn...
how is my poll a "troll"?
i wanted to avoid fanboi arguments and find out what people **actually use**
and i wanted to know how many people dual boot
WTF is wrong with that?
Linux fanbois are so damn touchy!
I'm not a Linux hater at all!
I did.
I wanted to keep the whole mobile device thing separate...i wanted to know what running on their **desktop or laptop**
I also know that Linux is a kernel not an OS, but I just wanted to see the Linux/1337 crowd condescend and nitpick for old time's sake...
You know that just because you have esoteric knowledge doesn't make you better than someone, right?
ha! i was wondering if someone would be on gentoo
wow...
so do you think you'll ever need anything else?
Linux doesn't make your dick bigger.
I agree. Here's where we can actually improve the situation right now.
so it's the "publisher" who is the node in the system with the authorization to make the changes
that's who we must convince...it should be easy b/c as you say,
so we, all of us on /., we who actually *do the work* need to speak with ONE VOICE, unanimously, that "cross platform is the only way to go"
we need to delete the concept of OS-locked software from our entire behavioral lexicon
when "publishers" want something done **they have to ask us**
we need to stop fanboi/trolling forever on OS's in public...we need to create a situation where **any time** some non-tech administrator tries to even **mention** going "windows only" that it's "impossible" and "foolish"
we need to say that...loudly, consistentely, and **without** being a fanboi of a certain OS because it shows we're 733t h@xxx0rz...that just muddies the waters and lets them ignore our advice b/c it's too complex for them to understand
when a Windows sales rep calls a "publisher" to try to convince them to make their new software "windows only" we need to create a context where the 'publisher' responds,
"Oh no way. We are all cross-platform in this shop my engineers wouldn't work on something not cross-platform"
Anyone can deny it...the GP's language and content were flame for sure...
Mac's work great overall. The price is usually worth it if you ask people who actually paid full price.
What we need is to be able to acknowledge that there is a difference between "good" for what a /. poster uses an OS for and "good" for what others need.
Many tech-minded people aren't coders...they understand Linux & why its important but just want it to work out of the box
this is what I was wondering about when I wrote the poll
I agree that this **could** be true...but reading through the responses it seems we aren't quite at the "singularity" point for OS's
Maybe people are taking your "best tool" approach & just b/c of the type of stuff /.'ers use it tends towards Linux
graphic designers still need Mac...it's just all there for you (i do some graphic design)
IMHO Windows is going away...they already give it away free...
When non-Mac PC makers get sick of M$ it's over
so you still didn't explain why these "scumbags" would be any better
a predictable scumbag is better than a completely unpredicatble and unknown scumbag...remember these are your words I don't think this way...but using your words and your logic YOU STILL FAIL
youre wrong all the way...a sizable minority are not "scumbags" at all
such naive language..."give other people a chance"
what you mean is, your imaginary "3rd party" wouldn't have ***any*** candidates who have ever held elected office
which means no one, besides you, would vote for them
the country will not elect an entire Congress + Presidency AND all state/local governments of first-timers
proven unworkable...because YOUR PREMISE IS WRONG
n/t
dude...you were in the shit...
activeX...browser wars...holy crap it brings nightmares
who runs Linux these days?
for your **personal computer** not work terminal or music server
i'm not talking all FOSS and this doesn't include Android...I'm asking specifically about the Linux OS
also, please specify if you can dual boot w/ multiple OS's
you say repeatedly that *all politicians* regardless of party, are always evil corrupt scumbag puss-bucket child rapists...
then how will **your** 3rd party be any different?
you have no answer b/c you whole line of thinking is based on a false premise
just because you
doesnt mean you actually countered my points
you typed words but they arent an answer...you say it yourself...
so asking "how" is pointless...but asking if it's viable...that's what I "should do" ...
your ideas are not viable...**because** there is no "how"...
you're promoting a fantasy that ensures we will always be slaves to Oligarchs
nature has provided us with a cheap, non-addictive treatment for this kind of thing...
it's called Marijuana
let's work it into the mission plan....
for fans of sci-fi, you'll remember the Mars colonists in K.S. Robinson's Mars Trilogy drank a Kava/hash drink that had the same effect
you think you're the first person to try a 3rd party?
people like you, on all sides of the issues, sit in dank rooms bitching like this...well...since before there was an "United States of America"
how is a 3rd party going to be funded?
who will vote for them? you cannot in any way suggest that past elections show anything but failure for 3rd parties...other people have to do this besides you...alot more
if they are not any of the filth ridden puke and puss carcasses that are in government now, then you're saying hire **all amatures**???
how will they not avoid overlapping, and thereby creating allies with, democrats and republicans on issues now?
all of these are important...and any one ends the fantasy...all decisions in government are binary...even a system like the EU, with many countries with their own list of several parties...it always boils down to a liberal/conservative minority/majority...and there's always a rump party that gloms onto one or the other for expedience...that's true even in the US now
again, my points above, each one is a point of failure
you think I'm a karma whore?
that's like a compliment in a way...like a 35 year old getting carded to buy cigarettes...
have you read my posts? you think im just double posting to get karma? people hate my comments...alot of times i think people just upmod me b/c i try to stay on topic even though they disagree...seriously i do not think i'm a popular /. poster
yes the comments were similar, but so were the GP's they were in response to...all over any politics thread...and lots of AC's double post...as you can see w/ the AC posted that ridiculous nytimes link w/ no context or explanation
i just cannot stand circular arguments that go on infinitely...it angers me greatly...I used to really see issues get worked out here on /. for example net neutrality...i could read comments and actually learn more than reading any TFA...of course im a leftist/libertarian and my comments reflect that...
none of what you just said matters to the discussion at hand...**OF COURSE** both parties have examples of bad policy now and historically...that is absolutely parenthetical to my point.
I listed **current policies**...if you look at history, the Oligarchs like the Bush family switch parties as needed...they just follow the path of least resistance...whoever is more gullable or bribable...either way works
again...I listed current issues that are continually being voted on in different contexts now
just because Republicans/Conservatives are the most gullable/bribable now doesn't mean that in 10 years the poles wont realign
also: The GOP is also anti-nuclear power...they love fossil fuels too much
I am a major proponent of Nuclear power...there aren't many of us in EITHER PARTY...non-progressive Democrats, which means essentially old ones, oppose anything "nuke" out of instinct...i don't like it...i'm in favor of using nuclear power
again none of this is a counterpoint...the GOP are ruining our country NOW...don't worry, once we fix this problem there will be new problems to solve
I love how you found reason to quote and respond to everything except the thing that makes your comment irrelevant...
I said "realistically"
Let's take your "3rd parties" solution.
Are you saying that a new party would be immune to the corruption you claim inhabits...what was the figure...99.999999%?
You're saying a new party wouldn't be subject to the same corruption?
Why?