yeah, I am aware...it's not really about nation/states or polities...
it's spheres of influence among oligarchs...usually rich people with some connection to english or dutch royalty or the catholic church...or the saudis...
in this context, the 'government' is the people's best friend...democracy is our weapon against oligarchy
you conceded your argument but first, do you just copy/paste "please argue without name calling" randomly in your responses?
n/m don't answer I don't care...
what I **do** care about is what you're arguing now? you just sort of conceded all your points and then now...
How long do you think it would take to figure out who released the docs though?
since you agree otherwise, this has become a question of logistics...are you asking me can it happen? I know it is possible but I don't want to take the time to explain or link to my resume just to prove a troll wrong...
YES...HE COULD HAVE WORKED WITH **professional journalists with the best 1st amendment lawyers available** AND DONE THIS ANONYMOUSLY
are you saying that it is *physically* impossible for a person to anonymously leak information?
if not, then what? b/c you agree with me everywhere else...
unless you respond, quoting me and offering counter arguments, then your last post is considered your surrender flag...
you've proven to be a troll...firing off some random fact means nothing...you can't defend your position b/c it is indefensible
you're either 1. self deluded or 2. a paid commenter...I'm betting the former b/c you're logged in and if you were the latter you'd have better logic keep trolling longer
They look like more powerpoint slides...maybe that's his trick, his only real *new* info is some ppt slides from a conference he managed to swipe while setting up a workstation...
Then his narcissism and idiocy take over...
If it isn't China it's the military/industrial complex...
hilariously, I think that 'they' (investors, entrepreneurs, other moneymen) don't let the thought get past their lizard brain...
let's add some complexity to the system. It'll raise the price and increase the failure rate!
IMHO, at this point certain types literally operate on a philosophy of 'innovation means connecting it to the internet'
they will fund anything that puts internet into the technology that's in front of their face at that moment...light bulb...internet!....window...internet!...shoes...internet!
and call it 'innovation' haha
srsly don't get me started on my conspiracy theory about groups wanting to make a skynet on purpose for Nazi-like nefarious purposes...i'm looking at you blekko...
you're trolling, but you aren't an AC and you represent, what appears to be, a sizable minority opinion...the 'peanut gallery with a IT experience' crowd...
here's the *main point* of my post:
**He could have had the same effect (starting a national conversation) WITHOUT SPEAKING PUBLICLY OR RELEASING HIS NAME**
The fact that he did shows he's the opposite of clever...
That's what this is all about. You can argue against a hypothetical I presented as a sort of 'falsifyable' proof of my theory, but that doesn't change the correctness of my *main point*
They would have eventually found the source out, and I don't want to know what would have happened to the guy then.
I call 100% bullshit on your notions again. The leaker of the Pentagon Papers and the guy who helped sink Nixon **both** managed to find responsible journalists to protect them
**AND**
keep their fsking mouths shut...
You are again proven wrong by basic history. You need to rethink some siht man. You are coming from a wrong place.
He has thrown his life away and will probably never step a free foot on US soil for the rest of his life!
This part made me laugh...out of sadness...
finding refuge in Hong Kong and right after letting out the proof the NSA and co. doing hacking actions / spying in China. Just that move alone shows it's well thought out. Quite clever.
Fsking 'clever'? Taking your last desperate option is NOT clever. Hong Kong is about as 'clever' as ifthe FBI spy Hanssen had arranged to live in the Soviet Union...
He would have been 'clever' if he could have gotten the Guardian to **hire him** as a journalist so he could co-report on his own information as both writer AND source...
His actions betray nothing but a Dungeons and Dragons Dungeonmaster on a power trip...that's his level...he had his say...now he will pay the consequences.
You are wrong in ever way to glorify his actions.
**He could have had the same effect (starting a national conversation) WITHOUT SPEAKING PUBLICLY OR RELEASING HIS NAME**
The fact that he did shows he's the opposite of clever...
perchlorate from Martian soil that would not only be energetically cheap and environmentally friendly, but could also be used to obtain oxygen both for human consumption and to fuel surface operations.
see, this is what I'm saying...
sure, your post represents one possible counterpoint but the greater concept is that nature (no matter which world) is herself a *system* with infinite cause/effects
when we go to Mars we initiate relationships that we cannot fathom now because of complexity...it's awesome and it's a real challenge and it needs to happen yesterday
KS Robinsons' 'Mars' series uses the 'purity/necessity' debate as a main source of conflict all the way through.
The novels discuss it from practically every imaginable angle. The point is, just because the following statement is true:
"It's going to happen eventually, anyway."
Does not indicate that any one single biological intrusion is justified. Each intrusion must be evaluated as best as possible against the whole system. Sure we can't know every effect but inevitibility is no excuse to go off half-cocked shooting microbes everywhere.
We have alot of mapping to do...IMHO we'll have Mars mapped and analyzed as well or better than earth before we go...in a sense anyway.
To the topic, the challenge is part of the fun! Very interesting to consider Prions and the border where a chemical compound becomes 'life'
he's still an idiot with internet-troll-dork level logic...
he knew enough to bullshit people at a dinner party about how "You have no idea what the government does!!!1!! Only 1337 h4xxxx0z like **me** who have cool-guy access..."
see, your fallacy is false dichotomy...Snowden can **fully** be this:
Snowden just being a narcissistic traitor
and...AND! He could have working knowledge of a *part* of the capability of a large system...so that satisfies this portion:
who couldn't possibly have known about those things that weren't happening in any case
I would theoretically probably agree with your 'democrats/liberals' disctinction if you had typed it out...I don't want to quibble about minutiae
whatever the label, IMHO 'progressive' fits best historically and is less tarnished than 'liberal', geeks/dorks need to stop the immature Ron Paul bullshit...
Now major papers, domestic and abroad, are writing about this
that **dont'** involve self-centered dorks revealing US spy operations in China...so seriously, the guy you defend is probably a low-level 'traitor' or double agent of some type
get it through your head, his outlook and personal philosphy are stupid and reductive, and the fact that you agree with his bullshit means you need to rethink some shit for yourself...deal with it
The problem isn't a **current** lack of innovation...
The problem is non-techies do not understand the difference between a true 'innovation' and a new product that sells alot and gets media hype.
iPod sells alot, has good ads, and gets alot of press. iPod then becomes, in retrospect to the mind of a non-techie, an 'innovation'...and the marketer who brought it to completion...well he's the 'innovator'...
wrong. iPod wasn't an 'innovation' and Steve Jobs was a marketer/salesman.
however, that's not the end at all! The **click wheel** was the 'innovation' and it wasn't designed by Jobs. But ask any young kid to name an 'innovator' and they'll say Jobs, the salesman.
Not 'knocking' Steve Jobs (getting major lables to put their music on iTunes IMHO required true innovative salesmanship)...
The greater point is that a grand misunderstanding of why tech is awesome and the nature of 'innovation' in practice...that misunderstanding creates the context where this errant article could be developed.
Don't look at what sells to find innovation...that's a lagging indicator...look at what busy people in high stress jobs do to get things done...it's the pressure of necessity that mother's innovation;)
I hate what some of the sciences are doing with fMRI data...it's all interval and case-study data...
They're treating it as if it is some discreet measurement like rainfall or temperature then, if past is prologue, will use it to correlate with behavior.
It's like purchasing your stocks based on how often stock brokers self report getting laid...we know nothing of how the brain waves we measure *actually* correlate to behavior.
First and foremost there is no one single human behavior ontology (defined 'normal') to compare against...it's like having no speed of light to gauge your meter against...
It is not science, but it's 'brain waves' and 'computers' and 'big data' so the first asshat to correlate a fMRI spike with X behavior gets some damn grant from the DoD or NSF or NIH
If he's lying, then he didn't reveal any highly classified state secrets.
reducing the complexity of this issue to a binary is reductive...sorry I know it makes geeks feel better to only have TWO options...either THIS or THAT...ah so safe and certain...
sorry Charlie...this is the fucking real world...
so here it is for you:
1. Snowden is an selfish, operating on selfish motives. He could have leaked anonymously, but didn't so he could spout his internet troll level logic on international TV before he goes to prison.
2. Snowden is an idiot, because he's mischaracterizing what PRISM does for dramatic effect. Those slides were written for non-tech people. Any IT professional knows that what PRISM does is possible, **any signal transmitted is interceptable**...and we all know about the Patriot Act.
3. Snowden revealed treasonous information about US 'hacking' (his word) of China's computers. He gave some number, like 63,000...that's like saying how many times the US had wiretapped the Nazis in WWII practically...that's definitely a CRIME!!!
You're letting opinions of non-techies cloud your view. We all knew the NSA could packet sniff us with a FISA secret warrant...and before that, during Bush, **they just did whatever they wanted**
What's that twinge? I know...it's that notion that this converstion happening nationally *because of* these leaks is really good and refreshing...I feel it too...
Here's the thing, and fucking understand this if you understand anything I've typed...WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITHOUT EVER KNOWING THE IDENTITY OF THE LEAKER...or without any leak at all...because the important info was already out there conceptually...he just gave details
I can't stand the false equivalence...'government' is a reductive concept...we aren't 3rd graders...we know more about how our policies are made...who votes for banning abortion and shit like that...by just saying 'government' you give yourself a bullshit problem to troll and bitch about forever...
same logic as Snowden and you are ALL IDIOTS...
here's why:
1. The relevant info is old news for IT professionals, and the new info (US has been hacking China) is treasonous...YES, the NSA wiretapping was reported on **in 2006**..."NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls". He *still* broke the law with revealations about *that* program, like the name (PRISM) and other details...he's NOT BRAD LEE MANNING
2. **chose to reveal his identity**...he could have leaked this anonymously...you know, like Deep Throat did with the Pentagon Papers...like a class act would. But because he's doing this for SELFISH REASONS, he wants his name know...he wants to spout his internet troll-level bullshit on TV...and ruin his life for no gain
3. "Idiots like me have access to NSA data via Defense contractors"....that's all he revealed that is actually **value added** info. The NSA wiretaps, old news...US hacking China, treason...Booze/Allen's unacoutable employees...good to know...
keep idiots like this out of any important job...that's what I learned about this whole mess...oh, and 'Prism' is a codename...whop de damn doo...
overall this BS: we knew this in 2006 (see link below)...we just didn't know the name and that 500,000 dork contractors could access it....
to the comment...ah, the trolling begins...first when i point out that "Snowden is an idiot" that is in *no* way a pass on the NSA. That's a *different issue*...this is about his choices...
you fired off a bunch of questions that I already answered, but b/c you quoted me and said I'm being 'hateful' it makes your trolling more surreptitious...you didn't try to contradict my argument: this started a conversation that needed to happen in the mainstream media, but Snowden's way of doing it was as dumb as possible
Can you explain your stance in a less angry, more rational manner?
not necessary...but I would like some genuine discussion...
see, here's who was not surprised by PRISM: anarchists, 'libertarians', illuminati, and IT PROFESSIONALS
because IT workers actually understand signal communications concepts...if data is transmitted it is interceptable
another Red Herring is that these are *new* revelations...this was authorized **BY CONGRESS** in the Patriot Act...Obama can't make Congress undo it...he has brought to light what Bush started and changed what he could realistically...
So Snowden is an idiot...he threw away his life on a dork's gamble based on internet-troll logic...he will not get a book deal or have mass suporters like Bradley Manning...
only good thing this BS has done: Make mainstream media aware of how much access (unaccountable) contractors like Booz/Allen have to gov't data...
Snowden's inadvertent message we should ALL heed: Dorks like me have access to shit we have no business accessing
**everything else** about this is ridiculous.
Snowden himself is an idiot. He has used internet-troll level logic and a dork's understanding of social movements to completely screw up his life for no gain whatsoever.
If he wanted to 'start a conversation' he should have leaked this anonymously. The fact that he revealed himself, espcially given the content of his revealations (gov't spying program)...its' just the height of stupidity.
He broke the law, I hope he goes to Federal Prison.
Let Bradley Manning out and throw this guy in instead...done.
And that's what facebook has, what do you propose should be different?
this...might look familiar:
1. give the user control 100% control of interface, no bullshit U/X
2. have simple (not intentionally dense and complex) privacy controls for all data posted,
3. allow users to download and retain all data (the point of this whole discussion)
that's it, it's circled around and you're done
fyi, I keep posting to you b/c it gives me some bit of gratification to so easily take down a troll like you...but the greater point is YOU...
I *actually* want to enlighten you and turn you on to how to really see past all the tech hype and see what services these companies *actually* provide...it's freeing and gives you permission to try *anything*
I am working on a 'tech startup' and it WILL be better than facebook if I go according to my plan...the funding is there...I can get it...it's people like YOU
people who are so duped into buying into a reductive vision of what the internet can do...
You may be 100% right that all 4 of those can be done
you're welcome.
but only an ignorant fool would believe you without having you detail how you think they could be done.
images, text, profile logins, servers to store data, developers and it engineers to manage it...see, you're question is actually really dumb, because anyone with basic knowledge of web browsing can understand the concept...and most tech workers would assume the level of knowledge I exhibited in the first sentence of this paragraph...
you're playing dumb, and asking for 'specifics' ad infinitum...that's trolling...you're a troll officially now
And if it can be done and it's of such great benefit to the user then why haven't you done it?
full trollface...
also, hilariously, you **definitely** work at facebook....it's obvious by how reactionary you are, yet your posts show some forethought...
just be good at your job and save your money...if you are a good developer maybe I'll hire you when I go into phase 2 of my business...
you f/b'ers would actually be a great source of funding for a facebook destroyer...your trolling has given me an idea...
Slashdot Mirror
yeah, I am aware...it's not really about nation/states or polities...
it's spheres of influence among oligarchs...usually rich people with some connection to english or dutch royalty or the catholic church...or the saudis...
in this context, the 'government' is the people's best friend...democracy is our weapon against oligarchy
jerk...
you conceded your argument but first, do you just copy/paste "please argue without name calling" randomly in your responses?
n/m don't answer I don't care...
what I **do** care about is what you're arguing now? you just sort of conceded all your points and then now...
since you agree otherwise, this has become a question of logistics...are you asking me can it happen? I know it is possible but I don't want to take the time to explain or link to my resume just to prove a troll wrong...
YES...HE COULD HAVE WORKED WITH **professional journalists with the best 1st amendment lawyers available** AND DONE THIS ANONYMOUSLY
are you saying that it is *physically* impossible for a person to anonymously leak information?
if not, then what? b/c you agree with me everywhere else...
what's your point?
unless you respond, quoting me and offering counter arguments, then your last post is considered your surrender flag...
you've proven to be a troll...firing off some random fact means nothing...you can't defend your position b/c it is indefensible
you're either 1. self deluded or 2. a paid commenter...I'm betting the former b/c you're logged in and if you were the latter you'd have better logic keep trolling longer
Definitely fishy...these are GCHQ documents...British Government...not NSA...
here's one: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/6/16/1371408003314/GCHQ-ragout-1-002.jpg
They look like more powerpoint slides...maybe that's his trick, his only real *new* info is some ppt slides from a conference he managed to swipe while setting up a workstation...
Then his narcissism and idiocy take over...
If it isn't China it's the military/industrial complex...
hilariously, I think that 'they' (investors, entrepreneurs, other moneymen) don't let the thought get past their lizard brain...
IMHO, at this point certain types literally operate on a philosophy of 'innovation means connecting it to the internet'
they will fund anything that puts internet into the technology that's in front of their face at that moment...light bulb...internet!....window...internet!...shoes...internet!
and call it 'innovation' haha
srsly don't get me started on my conspiracy theory about groups wanting to make a skynet on purpose for Nazi-like nefarious purposes...i'm looking at you blekko...
you're trolling, but you aren't an AC and you represent, what appears to be, a sizable minority opinion...the 'peanut gallery with a IT experience' crowd...
here's the *main point* of my post:
That's what this is all about. You can argue against a hypothetical I presented as a sort of 'falsifyable' proof of my theory, but that doesn't change the correctness of my *main point*
Snowden is bad news...avoid
A: Deep Throat
Q:
I call 100% bullshit on your notions again. The leaker of the Pentagon Papers and the guy who helped sink Nixon **both** managed to find responsible journalists to protect them
**AND**
keep their fsking mouths shut...
You are again proven wrong by basic history. You need to rethink some siht man. You are coming from a wrong place.
He has thrown his life away and will probably never step a free foot on US soil for the rest of his life!
This part made me laugh...out of sadness...
Fsking 'clever'? Taking your last desperate option is NOT clever. Hong Kong is about as 'clever' as ifthe FBI spy Hanssen had arranged to live in the Soviet Union...
He would have been 'clever' if he could have gotten the Guardian to **hire him** as a journalist so he could co-report on his own information as both writer AND source...
His actions betray nothing but a Dungeons and Dragons Dungeonmaster on a power trip...that's his level...he had his say...now he will pay the consequences.
You are wrong in ever way to glorify his actions.
**He could have had the same effect (starting a national conversation) WITHOUT SPEAKING PUBLICLY OR RELEASING HIS NAME**
The fact that he did shows he's the opposite of clever...
see, this is what I'm saying...
sure, your post represents one possible counterpoint but the greater concept is that nature (no matter which world) is herself a *system* with infinite cause/effects
when we go to Mars we initiate relationships that we cannot fathom now because of complexity...it's awesome and it's a real challenge and it needs to happen yesterday
KS Robinsons' 'Mars' series uses the 'purity/necessity' debate as a main source of conflict all the way through.
The novels discuss it from practically every imaginable angle. The point is, just because the following statement is true:
Does not indicate that any one single biological intrusion is justified. Each intrusion must be evaluated as best as possible against the whole system. Sure we can't know every effect but inevitibility is no excuse to go off half-cocked shooting microbes everywhere.
We have alot of mapping to do...IMHO we'll have Mars mapped and analyzed as well or better than earth before we go...in a sense anyway.
To the topic, the challenge is part of the fun! Very interesting to consider Prions and the border where a chemical compound becomes 'life'
Fear the Mars Prions!
he's still an idiot with internet-troll-dork level logic...
he knew enough to bullshit people at a dinner party about how "You have no idea what the government does!!!1!! Only 1337 h4xxxx0z like **me** who have cool-guy access..."
see, your fallacy is false dichotomy...Snowden can **fully** be this:
and...AND! He could have working knowledge of a *part* of the capability of a large system...so that satisfies this portion:
AC parent (modded +5 Insightful) is a dupe which...
1. AC, first post
2. copy/paste dupes
adds up to BOT...
parent is a bot, or a paid commentor, or a very misguided troll...plz mod down
I would theoretically probably agree with your 'democrats/liberals' disctinction if you had typed it out...I don't want to quibble about minutiae
whatever the label, IMHO 'progressive' fits best historically and is less tarnished than 'liberal', geeks/dorks need to stop the immature Ron Paul bullshit...
to get this to happen:
that **dont'** involve self-centered dorks revealing US spy operations in China...so seriously, the guy you defend is probably a low-level 'traitor' or double agent of some type
get it through your head, his outlook and personal philosphy are stupid and reductive, and the fact that you agree with his bullshit means you need to rethink some shit for yourself...deal with it
The problem isn't a **current** lack of innovation...
The problem is non-techies do not understand the difference between a true 'innovation' and a new product that sells alot and gets media hype.
iPod sells alot, has good ads, and gets alot of press. iPod then becomes, in retrospect to the mind of a non-techie, an 'innovation'...and the marketer who brought it to completion...well he's the 'innovator'...
wrong. iPod wasn't an 'innovation' and Steve Jobs was a marketer/salesman.
however, that's not the end at all! The **click wheel** was the 'innovation' and it wasn't designed by Jobs. But ask any young kid to name an 'innovator' and they'll say Jobs, the salesman.
Not 'knocking' Steve Jobs (getting major lables to put their music on iTunes IMHO required true innovative salesmanship)...
The greater point is that a grand misunderstanding of why tech is awesome and the nature of 'innovation' in practice...that misunderstanding creates the context where this errant article could be developed.
Don't look at what sells to find innovation...that's a lagging indicator...look at what busy people in high stress jobs do to get things done...it's the pressure of necessity that mother's innovation ;)
I hate what some of the sciences are doing with fMRI data...it's all interval and case-study data...
They're treating it as if it is some discreet measurement like rainfall or temperature then, if past is prologue, will use it to correlate with behavior.
It's like purchasing your stocks based on how often stock brokers self report getting laid...we know nothing of how the brain waves we measure *actually* correlate to behavior.
First and foremost there is no one single human behavior ontology (defined 'normal') to compare against...it's like having no speed of light to gauge your meter against...
It is not science, but it's 'brain waves' and 'computers' and 'big data' so the first asshat to correlate a fMRI spike with X behavior gets some damn grant from the DoD or NSF or NIH
reducing the complexity of this issue to a binary is reductive...sorry I know it makes geeks feel better to only have TWO options...either THIS or THAT...ah so safe and certain...
sorry Charlie...this is the fucking real world...
so here it is for you:
1. Snowden is an selfish, operating on selfish motives. He could have leaked anonymously, but didn't so he could spout his internet troll level logic on international TV before he goes to prison.
2. Snowden is an idiot, because he's mischaracterizing what PRISM does for dramatic effect. Those slides were written for non-tech people. Any IT professional knows that what PRISM does is possible, **any signal transmitted is interceptable**...and we all know about the Patriot Act.
3. Snowden revealed treasonous information about US 'hacking' (his word) of China's computers. He gave some number, like 63,000...that's like saying how many times the US had wiretapped the Nazis in WWII practically...that's definitely a CRIME!!!
You're letting opinions of non-techies cloud your view. We all knew the NSA could packet sniff us with a FISA secret warrant...and before that, during Bush, **they just did whatever they wanted**
What's that twinge? I know...it's that notion that this converstion happening nationally *because of* these leaks is really good and refreshing...I feel it too...
Here's the thing, and fucking understand this if you understand anything I've typed...WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITHOUT EVER KNOWING THE IDENTITY OF THE LEAKER...or without any leak at all...because the important info was already out there conceptually...he just gave details
have access to the NSA's most secret databases via government contractors"
is all Snowden has revealed that professionals did not know already...
any anarchist, 'libertarian', or IT professional knew this was happening...
anyone who'd ever worked in INTEL knows government contracting is out of control and full of criminality, abuse, and fraud
only people who don't know what they are talking about think Snowden did anything good
I can't stand the false equivalence...'government' is a reductive concept...we aren't 3rd graders...we know more about how our policies are made...who votes for banning abortion and shit like that...by just saying 'government' you give yourself a bullshit problem to troll and bitch about forever...
same logic as Snowden and you are ALL IDIOTS...
here's why:
1. The relevant info is old news for IT professionals, and the new info (US has been hacking China) is treasonous...YES, the NSA wiretapping was reported on **in 2006**..."NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls". He *still* broke the law with revealations about *that* program, like the name (PRISM) and other details...he's NOT BRAD LEE MANNING
2. **chose to reveal his identity**...he could have leaked this anonymously...you know, like Deep Throat did with the Pentagon Papers...like a class act would. But because he's doing this for SELFISH REASONS, he wants his name know...he wants to spout his internet troll-level bullshit on TV...and ruin his life for no gain
3. "Idiots like me have access to NSA data via Defense contractors"....that's all he revealed that is actually **value added** info. The NSA wiretaps, old news...US hacking China, treason...Booze/Allen's unacoutable employees...good to know...
keep idiots like this out of any important job...that's what I learned about this whole mess...oh, and 'Prism' is a codename...whop de damn doo...
yep...one side has been saying that since...Woodrow Wilson's 12 Points I believe...whatever the label, progressives make this country what it is...
'libertarians' should logically support the Democrat...if they care about policy at all...if you're about HOT AIR...well you know what to do....
> another Red Herring is that these are *new* revelations...this was authorized **BY CONGRESS** in the Patriot Act...>
you quoted me saying it was Congress who authorized the Patriot Act...as part of the Bush admin's resopnse to 9/11...
you're trolling b/c you know the facts I have presented are irrefutable
overall this BS: we knew this in 2006 (see link below)...we just didn't know the name and that 500,000 dork contractors could access it....
to the comment...ah, the trolling begins...first when i point out that "Snowden is an idiot" that is in *no* way a pass on the NSA. That's a *different issue*...this is about his choices...
you fired off a bunch of questions that I already answered, but b/c you quoted me and said I'm being 'hateful' it makes your trolling more surreptitious...you didn't try to contradict my argument: this started a conversation that needed to happen in the mainstream media, but Snowden's way of doing it was as dumb as possible
not necessary...but I would like some genuine discussion...
see, here's who was not surprised by PRISM: anarchists, 'libertarians', illuminati, and IT PROFESSIONALS
because IT workers actually understand signal communications concepts...if data is transmitted it is interceptable
another Red Herring is that these are *new* revelations...this was authorized **BY CONGRESS** in the Patriot Act...Obama can't make Congress undo it...he has brought to light what Bush started and changed what he could realistically...
this was reported on in 2006 "NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls"
So Snowden is an idiot...he threw away his life on a dork's gamble based on internet-troll logic...he will not get a book deal or have mass suporters like Bradley Manning...
only good thing this BS has done: Make mainstream media aware of how much access (unaccountable) contractors like Booz/Allen have to gov't data...
Snowden's inadvertent message we should ALL heed: Dorks like me have access to shit we have no business accessing
**everything else** about this is ridiculous.
Snowden himself is an idiot. He has used internet-troll level logic and a dork's understanding of social movements to completely screw up his life for no gain whatsoever.
If he wanted to 'start a conversation' he should have leaked this anonymously. The fact that he revealed himself, espcially given the content of his revealations (gov't spying program)...its' just the height of stupidity.
He broke the law, I hope he goes to Federal Prison.
Let Bradley Manning out and throw this guy in instead...done.
this...might look familiar:
that's it, it's circled around and you're done
fyi, I keep posting to you b/c it gives me some bit of gratification to so easily take down a troll like you...but the greater point is YOU...
I *actually* want to enlighten you and turn you on to how to really see past all the tech hype and see what services these companies *actually* provide...it's freeing and gives you permission to try *anything*
I am working on a 'tech startup' and it WILL be better than facebook if I go according to my plan...the funding is there...I can get it...it's people like YOU
people who are so duped into buying into a reductive vision of what the internet can do...
you're welcome.
images, text, profile logins, servers to store data, developers and it engineers to manage it...see, you're question is actually really dumb, because anyone with basic knowledge of web browsing can understand the concept...and most tech workers would assume the level of knowledge I exhibited in the first sentence of this paragraph...
you're playing dumb, and asking for 'specifics' ad infinitum...that's trolling...you're a troll officially now
full trollface...
also, hilariously, you **definitely** work at facebook....it's obvious by how reactionary you are, yet your posts show some forethought...
just be good at your job and save your money...if you are a good developer maybe I'll hire you when I go into phase 2 of my business...
you f/b'ers would actually be a great source of funding for a facebook destroyer...your trolling has given me an idea...