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Don't Panic, But We've Passed Peak Apple (and Google, and Facebook)

waderoush writes "Over the last decade, just three companies — Google, Apple, and Facebook — have generated most of the new ideas and most of the business momentum in the world of computing. (Add in Amazon, if you're feeling generous.) But it's been a long time since any of these companies introduced anything indisputably new — and there are good reasons to think they never will again. This Xconomy essay argues that the innovation engines at Google, Apple, and Facebook are out of gas (the most surprising thing about OS X Mavericks is that it's not named after a cat) and that other players will have to come up with the underpinnings for the next big cycle of advances in computing. Granted, it's not as if any of these companies will disappear. But the idea that they'll go on generating ideas as groundbreaking as the ones that landed them in the spotlight defies common sense, statistics, and the lessons of history, which show that real innovation almost always comes from small companies. Apple, Google, and Facebook aren't too big to fail — but they may be too big to keep succeeding."

307 comments

  1. Business Map by alphatel · · Score: 4, Funny

    When all your in-house innovation leads to outhouse fabrication, you can easily switch gears. Buy everyone who innovates and shut out any possible competition. It's been the premier business road map for centuries.

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    1. Re:Business Map by Cenan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which is why Facebook is owned by Google, which in turn is owned by Microsoft, which in turn is owned by IBM, which.... oh wait.. nevermind. You can only buy if someone is willing to sell to you, no matter the size of your purse - if that is the entirety of your business road map you're bound to be left behind in the dust when someone comes along, innovative and unwilling to sell. Like Google+, Bing or OS2.

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    2. Re:Business Map by westlake · · Score: 1

      You can only buy if someone is willing to sell to you, no matter the size of your purse

      That someone, however, can be a group of stockholders with a controlling interest in your company.

      It can be someone you owe a great deal of money --- someone who can force a change in management, ownership, or outright liquidation,

    3. Re:Business Map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh wait.. nevermind. You can only buy if someone is willing to sell to you, no matter the size of your purse.

      I guess you've never heard of a hostile takeover before? Willingness to sell is incredibly helpful, but is not necessary when dealing with any publicly traded company.

    4. Re:Business Map by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Informative

      The owners stiill have to be willing to sell it, which was the original claim.

      Management is irrelevant, just like the current person I have handling renting out a property has exactly no say in whether I sell it or not. Sure they can give me advice, but they aren't the owner and hence they don't have a say.

      Now of course in the corporate world board members can also be owners.

    5. Re: Business Map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You comments about who can influence or control what and when items are sold, only have that power of you 1. Already sold or 2. Already consumed more value than you had.

    6. Re:Business Map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft however just buy to bury.

      they're anti-innovative.

    7. Re:Business Map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to rehash a very, very old debate, but OS/2 Warp was streets ahead of Win 95. Microsoft was just very, very good at locking up developers and software publishers to only make their software for Win 95. (If developers wanted a pre-release of Windows 95 to use to create their software, they had to agree to only release their product for Win 95.)

    8. Re:Business Map by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Which is why Facebook is owned by Google, which in turn is owned by Microsoft, which in turn is owned by IBM, which.... oh wait.. nevermind. You can only buy if someone is willing to sell to you, no matter the size of your purse...

      When you're a publicly-traded company you're always for sale, in one way or another. If someone offers enough money your shareholders will force you to sell regardless of what you want.

    9. Re:Business Map by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You can only buy if someone is willing to sell to you...

      Don't be so naive. You can always get an offer you can't refuse. That's just how things work.

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    10. Re:Business Map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When your in house innovation
      leads to outhouse fabrication,
      simply stifle competition
      Burma Shave.

      fixed that for you.

    11. Re:Business Map by Cenan · · Score: 1

      Well, first of all, economics 101: you have to control a majority of the stock in order to control the company. If you do not control a majority of the stock, you are per definition not in control of the company, and as such it is irrelevant what you think about a potential sale. All this is beside the point though, since that would just be yet another instance of a bigger corp swallowing a smaller one.

      My point was that sooner or later, a startup will come along, not be publicly traded and the owners will be unwilling to sell to you. If your business model is intimidation and buy outs only, you are fucked - and relegated to play catch up, like IBM did with Microsoft, and Microsoft did with Google, and Google with Facebook, and so on and so forth. You may stack the deck in your favor for a while, by holding patents and performing aggressive takeovers, but you cannot defend against innovation unless you're the one performing it.

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    12. Re:Business Map by Cenan · · Score: 1

      Don't be so naive. You can always get an offer you can't refuse. That's just how things work.

      Of course you can, that kind of thing happens all the time. People who will not sell, for any amount, do exist though - and those are the ones you need to worry about if your business model is "maintain status quo, throw money at competitors till they fold".

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  2. Sorry by blackicye · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But I won't believe it till Netcraft confirms it.

  3. Hmm, maybe by MrDoh! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To be fair, once Google gets their cars that drive themselves, glasses that give me information at all times, and provide TV/phone services through a high speed fiber connection for cheaper than anyone else, I'm ok if they take a break for a bit and coast, just improving what they've already done. THEN they can start on the jetpacks, holograms, and teleportation.

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    1. Re: Hmm, maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google still have a lot of gas

    2. Re:Hmm, maybe by taxman_10m · · Score: 2

      glasses that give me information at all times

      That will be awesome. A pint glass that displays FULL, HALF-FULL, EMPTY status. Two words: game changer.

    3. Re:Hmm, maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have a glass that displays an internet meme appropriate to my level of intoxication. Who needs friends and socialising when you have interwebs in a glass?

    4. Re:Hmm, maybe by taxman_10m · · Score: 2

      You are now: drunk. Go home.

    5. Re: Hmm, maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see it as half-empty you insensitive clod!

    6. Re:Hmm, maybe by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have a glass that displays an internet meme appropriate to my level of intoxication.

      My life's obviously a lot simpler than yours. I just want a glass that is always full. :)

    7. Re:Hmm, maybe by ZDroid · · Score: 0

      To be fair, once Google gets their cars that drive themselves, glasses that give me information at all times, and provide TV/phone services through a high speed fiber connection for cheaper than anyone else, I'm ok if they take a break for a bit and coast, just improving what they've already done. THEN they can start on the jetpacks, holograms, and teleportation.

      I want to fly with one of that jetpacks, and teleport every 5 secs. Oh, that Google.

    8. Re:Hmm, maybe by symbolset · · Score: 2

      Or tethered kite wind power generators, solar plants. Or asteroid mines, network technologies, methods of manipulating big data. Free open source video codecs for all, an OS for my lightbulbs, a library for ALL the books. And on and on.

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    9. Re:Hmm, maybe by AJWM · · Score: 1

      I just want a glass that is always full. :)

      Larry Niven invented that back in, oh, late 1960s? I think it was his story "Flatlander". Unfortunately it relies on something we haven't invented yet ... stepping disk technology.

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    10. Re:Hmm, maybe by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "To be fair, once Google gets their cars that drive themselves, glasses that give me information at all times, and provide TV/phone services through a high speed fiber connection for cheaper than anyone else, I'm ok if they take a break for a bit and coast, just improving what they've already done."

      This brings up a bone I have to pick with OP's basic premise. I think he's got things a bit distorted here.

      Look at the announcement of the new Mac Pros at WWDC. You may not agree with everything they did with it, but to say it's "not innovation" is just a little bit skewed.

      Google's big successes so far have been (A) a search engine, and (B) cheap fiber to the home. And B isn't even original, they just did it for less.

      Driverless vehicles are nothing new, and the technology isn't even theirs. They just threw money behind it. Glass is pretty much the same: not an original idea, or even a very good one... other companies are doing "augmented" and "virtual" reality better, and without a Google lock-in. They did good on Maps but they abused it too. Hell, Facebook wasn't even Zuckerberg's idea. And the only "innovation" Facebook really represents is how to make money via privacy intrusion.

      Not to burst anybody's bubble, but other than Google's search engine, pretty much ALL of the successful ideas from both companies have been evolutionary, not revolutionary. Pretty obvious ways to go, actually. In fact, pretty much all the other attempts at "revolutionary" things at Google have failed.

      I'm not trying to compare companies here. I'm just saying OP doesn't have it right. He lumps things together that don't belong together, and makes generalizations about them that are just plain false. Google and Facebook have not, for the most part, been innovators. They had one or two good ideas and ran with them. We should not expect those companies to come up with the the next big ideas. That would be asking too much.

    11. Re:Hmm, maybe by hson · · Score: 1

      No. "You can still walk, drink three more drinks.

    12. Re:Hmm, maybe by dcollins · · Score: 1

      No, no, it's got to be FULL, HALF-EMPTY, EMPTY.

      (and some more lower-case letters to dodge filter)

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    13. Re:Hmm, maybe by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 2

      Not to burst anybody's bubble, but other than Google's search engine, pretty much ALL of the successful ideas from both companies have been evolutionary, not revolutionary.

      How was the search engine *not* evolutionary? They entered a crowded marketplace and won because they did the same thing, but better. That's all they have to do with driver-less cars/wearable computers/fiber.

      Google's "next big idea" wasn't "search the Internet", it was "how can we improve searching as much as possible".

    14. Re:Hmm, maybe by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      Your subject was too kind, instead of "hmm, maybe" it should have been "what bullshit!"

      As you said, Google is attempting innovation left and right, spending millions of dollars on projects that may or may not ever see the light of day. For example, add to your list the very next /. article on providing Internet access to remote/disaster areas with high altitude balloons.

      Here's a starter, would take hours to read about all of the research projects they are either sponsoring or working on in house...

      http://research.google.com/index.html

      Or another list of rumored (well some we now know are true) Google X projects (and I would assume there are more not listed)....

      http://oedb.org/library/beginning-online-learning/10-incredible-rumored-research-projects-going-on-at-google-x/

      Oh, and you thought you were joking about teleportation...

      http://bgr.com/2013/05/29/google-teleportation-research-project/

    15. Re:Hmm, maybe by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Driverless vehicles are nothing new, and the technology isn't even theirs. They just threw money behind it.

      Companies don't have ideas, people have ideas. Companies just throw money at those people to develop the ideas that the company will then own. But to say all of those people working on that project at Google haven't innovated is absurd!

      And innovation isn't just coming up with an idea in a sci-fi novel, it's making the idea WORK in the real world. Show me anyone who is as close as Google to making self-driving cars a reality and I'll agree it's not innovation. And more specifically, "a driverless car" is just one vague concept. There have probably been dozens or hundreds of innovations in the course of that project so far. Same with MANY other successful projects you call "evolutionary"...

    16. Re:Hmm, maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FULL, HALF-EMPTY,, EMPTY

      Or whatever is most appropriate based on the stored information about your personality and philosophical worldview preferences which might make you see the next google ad with a viewpoint most conducive to buying the thing being advertised.

    17. Re:Hmm, maybe by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "How was the search engine *not* evolutionary?"

      They did the same thing, but they did it in an entirely new way. That's how it was revolutionary.

      Prior search engines used only page visits and a few other mundane criteria to rank websites. The Google guys (Brin and Schmidt) came up with the idea of using external links to the page for the primary ranking.

    18. Re:Hmm, maybe by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "But to say all of those people working on that project at Google haven't innovated is absurd

      It sure is. That's why I didn't say that.

      "Show me anyone who is as close as Google to making self-driving cars a reality and I'll agree it's not innovation."

      Okay. The people who INVENTED the fucking things in the DARPA contests.

    19. Re: Hmm, maybe by drcheap · · Score: 2

      And I see it as twice as large as necessary you insensitive clod!

    20. Re:Hmm, maybe by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      "Show me anyone who is as close as Google to making self-driving cars a reality and I'll agree it's not innovation."

      Okay. The people who INVENTED the fucking things in the DARPA contests.

      The Stanford team and its leader Sebastian Thrun (that won 2005 and came in 2nd in 2007) are basically the guys working on the Google self-driving car now (also responsible for Google Street View). And Google has been sponsoring that team (and supporting them with Google engineering resources) since it was founded in 2004. Sponsoring = money paid to people to develop the ideas = my first point. Google was and is driving (pun intended ;) innovation in the field.

      And the current Google project is way WAY beyond where they were in 2007. That contest was fairly slow on a very controlled course with a bunch of awkwardly placed sensors and hardware attached to the car - as I said, NOT a practical reality. The current Google cars pretty much look like their Street View cars externally and have now put in several hundred thousand miles driving around Bay Area streets. Practical use and *tons* of innovation to get there, obviously, which was my second point.

    21. Re:Hmm, maybe by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "The Stanford team and its leader Sebastian Thrun (that won 2005 and came in 2nd in 2007) are basically the guys working on the Google self-driving car now (also responsible for Google Street View)."

      Which pretty much PROVES the point I was making: Google didn't invent it, they just bought it. You're proving my point for me.

    22. Re:Hmm, maybe by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Well, they bumped out Windows as the #1 operating system and replaced it with a (sort of) Linux distro, and for that I am grateful.

    23. Re:Hmm, maybe by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? How many times do I have to say the same thing? Google is a company, IT DOESN'T INVENT, people working for it do. It funded and supported the researchers that did the work, and in return now has those people and research at its disposal. Same result - Google funded innovation and may now reap the benefits. End of story.

  4. Glass??? by brunes69 · · Score: 1, Informative

    Google Glass is not completely new? In what way?

    Yes there has been VR before and there has been AR before but not like this and not in a format digestable by any consumer.

    I seriously think Glass is going to change the way people operate.

    1. Re:Glass??? by mozumder · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but the new Mac Pro is probably the most original desktop computer design since.. desktop computers were invented.

      And it's only been 3 years since the iPad was invented.

      Facebook is going to disappear, though - hardly anyone goes on it anymore.

    2. Re:Glass??? by sottitron · · Score: 1

      And I think the subtle thing that Google realized and did absolutely right is that Glass isn't something that needs a new service contract from Verizon or AT&T or TMobile. Everyone in the market for Glass has a smartphone and probably high speed internet at home, so Glass is a peripheral to your smartphone when you are away from home. This is what the iPad should have been - a bluetooth peripheral to your iPhone. Tethering be damned!

    3. Re:Glass??? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I seriously think Glass is going to change the way people operate.

      You might be right. We may see an unprecedented surge of violence against nerds (or geeks, if you prefer) from people who see these non-corrective glasses as an intrusion on their privacy.

      By way of an example, I suggest wearing that device in a public urinal. Bring someone along with you to count the number of seconds before the big guy at the next stall gets the wrong idea and beats the living crap out of you.

    4. Re:Glass??? by helfen · · Score: 1

      I seriously think Glass is going to change the way people operate.

      Maybe, but it can as well end like for example cybersex of the 90. and 00. (anyone? :-)) It is really, really hard to predict which technology will catch on.

    5. Re:Glass??? by jedidiah · · Score: 1, Interesting

      > Not only that, but the new Mac Pro is probably the most original desktop computer design since.. desktop computers were invented.

      Only if you ignore hobbyists.

      If you acknowledge the enthusiast case modding scene, then nothing that Apple has done with the Mac Pro is at all interesting. It's notable primarily for how it is mismatched to the market segment they are trying to sell it to.

      The trash can would make a great high end consumer Mac.

      Forcing it on computing professionals is criminal stupidity.

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    6. Re:Glass??? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I suggest you learn about Wearable computing. Prof Thad Starner and Prof Steve Mann have been working on basically what is Glass for over 20 years. Students at MIT and UofT have been wearing and using glass for almost all of that time.

      Let me guess, you also think tablets are new. I had a tablet in 1995 it was a 7" model and ran windows

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    7. Re:Glass??? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      "By way of an example, I suggest wearing that device in a public urinal. Bring someone along with you to count the number of seconds before the big guy at the next stall gets the wrong idea and beats the living crap out of you."

      First what kind of moron would wear it in the urinal? Normal people stand outside of the urinal and pee into it.... I think your momma did not teach you how to use the bathroom right.

      And second, I have several times. Nobody even notices, but then people that have an IQ above 40 knows it has a big bright light on it when the camera is active, and it has to be pointed at what you are recording.... Are you the type that stands there staring at other mens junk? That is probably what will get your ass beat.

      But then you don't know anything at all about Google Glass and are just talking out your uneducated butt.

      In reality, I have people asking what they are and asking how they work, cant they see through them, etc... 100% of the people that see me with them are curious and really want to know more about it.

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    8. Re:Glass??? by second_coming · · Score: 1

      I still can't believe they did away with the XServe.

    9. Re:Glass??? by alendit · · Score: 1, Troll

      I can't imagine how much R&D went into this new geometric form, they call "cylinder". Now, they just have to patent it so not one can't wrongfully profit from their innovation.

    10. Re: Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a difference between the tablet of 1995 and the tablet of today. Namely, people actually enjoy using them enough to pay for them.

    11. Re:Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then the big guy gets a .38 special right in the chest....

    12. Re:Glass??? by taxman_10m · · Score: 2

      I can definitely see Facebook disappearing. I've reached the point where the vast majority of my facebook friends aren't people I even remotely know. I've unsubscribed from everyone's newsfeed. Only thing I use it for is to RSVP for events and say "Happy birthday!" on people's birthdays.

    13. Re: Glass??? by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      A lot of that difference is cultural rather than technological, though. In 1995 people didn't want something like a tablet, even if it were cheaper and better.

    14. Re:Glass??? by andydread · · Score: 1

      erm? no. Not in the slightest And some of these are from way back in 2002.

    15. Re:Glass??? by dfghjk · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "Not only that, but the new Mac Pro is probably the most original desktop computer design since.. desktop computers were invented."

      Really? Because it sure seems derivative to me, and entirely self-serving on Apple's part. It's a disposable appliance with little configurability, serviceability or expandability---just like all of Apple's development for quite a while now. It follows their trend away from "desktop computer design" and it represents THE threat to traditional desktop computing. It does not do what you want it to, it does what Apple wants it to. Other than the shape, it's hard to distinguish it from a game console. Take it or leave it, the Apple way.

      If it were square rather than round it could be far more expandable, but then it would be obviously derivative even to people like you.

    16. Re:Glass??? by dfghjk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "The trash can would make a great high end consumer Mac."

      That is, in fact, what it is, or at least would be if they'd offer even a single drive bay.

      By any traditional definition of "workstation" it is not one. It is no more a workstation than the Mini is. Both need additional products to make them functional as such.

    17. Re:Glass??? by andydread · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. When you look at the modding scene even for designs going way back you see that there is absolutely nothing innovative as far as design goes here.

    18. Re:Glass??? by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      The trash can would make a great high end consumer Mac.

      You're missing your calling as an industrial designer, at least according to iFans.

    19. Re:Glass??? by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You understand that there is a huge gulf between "hundreds of man-hours to cram square stuff into fun shapes" and bringing to market a mass-produced product? I have no idea what the price of the Mac Pro will be, but I'm fairly sure it will be more commercially viable than a hand-build one-off.

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    20. Re:Glass??? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      At first I thought it was reminiscent of their "cube", but the tear-down cured me of that. They really veered from the typical PC layout with this thing.

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    21. Re:Glass??? by Ensign_Expendable · · Score: 1

      The complete reliance on external expansion by the new Mac Pro could be seen as, perhaps not a "game changer," but certainly as a new direction for a desktop workstation.

    22. Re:Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just love the fanbois here. Had Apple done the same thing you'd be crying "where's the innovationz?!?!?!?!"
       
      Total fucking bullshit. Just go do a search for HUD glasses and you'll see that there have been working prototypes that could easily have been turned into GoogleAss for the last three decades.

    23. Re:Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A $500+ tablet should feel like a standalone device, not a peripheral to another device.

    24. Re:Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google Glass is not completely new? In what way?

      Yes there has been VR before and there has been AR before but not like this and not in a format digestable by any consumer.

      I seriously think Glass is going to change the way people operate.

      If by "operate" you mean never leaving your house again once the first few dozen lawsuits crop up from Google Glass users and victims invading every aspect of personal privacy, then yeah, it'll change the way people "operate" alright.

      That is if the constant surveillance of government drones flying over your head at all times doesn't drive you indoors first.

      There will be changes with this kind of technology alright, but not in a good way. But the sheeple won't care, because somewhere along the line they'll be enticed by the right price (i.e. free), as they always have...problem is nothing is free in life.

    25. Re:Glass??? by foniksonik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What you fail to realize is that there are now hundreds of thousands of pros who daily use a laptop in place of the workstation they had just 3 years ago.

      It may look like a consumer grade Mac to you but what Apple is doing is to redefine the workstation. Consumers no longer buy desktops. They buy laptops or tablets. The desktop market has been shrinking for the last few years. Apple doesn't even make a desktop any more. The iMac and Mini are the closest you get.

      So this is Apples Workstation/Desktop. It is what you make of it like anything else. I'm betting that the industry will start to follow Apples lead here though and you'll see similar offerings from HP, Sony, Samsung etc in the near future just as you see iMac type systems and AirBook "Ultrabook".

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    26. Re: Glass??? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Consumer?

      This thing has Xeons and FirePro GPUs. What about that is consumer?

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    27. Re:Glass??? by wisty · · Score: 2

      Lots of businesses refuse to open cases to upgrade. They just scrap the old machine (or sell it, or give it to someone less important), and buy a new one. This is businesses, with professional IT staff.

      Consumers are mostly even worse.

      So the number of people who'll bother opening their cases is very small. The number of people who'll do so, and buy Macs is even smaller.

      With thunderbolt, you can do a lot of upgrades just by plugging in a box. This makes upgrading a lot easier for most customers. And since that will be the only upgrade path, there'll be more (and cheaper) components than there are today. Plus, the resale of these components should be higher, since they won't just be sold to geeks.

      So I'd say that the new MacPro will be *more* upgradable, to most people, even most professionals. Especially the ones who buy Macs.

    28. Re:Glass??? by painandgreed · · Score: 2

      By any traditional definition of "workstation" it is not one.

      I will agree with this. The bet is that we are moving out of the "traditional" workflow. It's meant to be a fast powerful workstation with just enough space to hold the OS, programs, and project that one is currently working on. Everything else will be stored on the local SAN which every business place will now have as data will be stored and managed on servers with huge amounts of space that interact with everybody else's work. The days of a workstation keeping everything locally and hoping the person works on it uploads their work when done or risking that their drive fails are nearing their end. As IT, I've been pushing for this for over ten years. Your workstation is a faceless clone and all your personal stuff is in your folders on the servers. If something happens to your workstation, you move to another one or I just drop another one in and worry about fixing the broken one later with as little downtime to the worker as possible.

      Even the home usage is heading that way. Mac Airs are selling and it's near the same concept. Fast computer for doing work and if you need lots of media or storage, everything just gets plugged in by USB, now thunderbolt. Not saying that's the best way or that I even like it, but that's the way they're heading and going by how users are dealing with their Mac Airs for years now, at least reasonably large fractions of the users are not rejecting that workflow.

    29. Re:Glass??? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      I like the Mac Pro and I think Apple has done a fantastic job. But I have to say that the time of the heavy-weight desktops has passed and for a good reason. Even if you build your own PC gaming rig, the amount of power they require is tremendous. I'm talking around 200W or more. This is without mention the cost of such machine. When you compare gaming on a PC to gaming in something like a Wii that uses like 18W, you start to realize that maybe we can start saving a lot of money and stop wasting so much energy. Even the Wii U, with the few games it has needs 30W, the same energy consumption as a MacBook under load.

    30. Re:Glass??? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      "THE threat to traditional desktop computing"

      Wake up, desktop computing was badly hurt by laptops, tablets and smartphones. Apple just released the equivalent of the MacBook Air for desktops and I'm pretty sure that we will finally see PC makers doing something different than cloning the iMac with the All-In-Ones. Gaming hardware companies (Alienware, Razer) were the only companies imho that really were making an effort, but they served a niche market.

    31. Re: Glass??? by broward · · Score: 1

      I doubt it.
      I did some of the early tablet software from 1992-1996.
      The real obstacles were cost and weight.

      iPad is about 1/5th the cost in nominal terms, and 1/10th in real terms.
      Weight difference is 1/5th, too.

      Users liked the tablets overall, they just didn't like the cost.

    32. Re: Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell is your traditional definition of PC workstation if it's not Xeon-level RAS, ECC protected memory, high performance local storage, and workstation class graphics?

      What is it, PCI slots? Is that it? Is that your idea?

    33. Re: Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you entirely judging these by external appearance?

      You might want to clarify, because it takes about two clicks to look at the Mac Pro's single giant heat sink & fan, with dual GPUs and a CPU mounted to it on three sides.

      People might think you're kinda a jackass that's all.

    34. Re:Glass??? by broward · · Score: 1

      Are you the type that stands there staring at other mens junk? .

      Not now when I can disable my camera LED and just film surreptitiously. :)

    35. Re: Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Derivative of what? Are you talking about external or internal?

      Internally, this thing is more advanced than game consoles on the market, because those are still square main boards in boxes with heat sink + fan strapped to hotspots and a blower moving air through cramped space with heat shields & ducts. Consoles are closer to laptops in internal design.

      How is building a PC the way a game console _should_ be built not innovative??

    36. Re:Glass??? by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      You must really be out of the loop. My max power draw for my system is somewhere near 600w under full load.

    37. Re:Glass??? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      Your PC does not use your full power draw all the times, and if the computer is idle it consumes even less than that. Get a Kill-a-Watt and see what happens, it is very informative to say the least. Granted, I have a Geforce GTX 660 which might not use as much power as a Titan and I use a Sandy Bridge i3 3220 which is very power efficient. But in general, I was shocked to compare my actual power draw and how it goes down a lot if I just use a Macbook for computing and a Wii for games.

    38. Re:Glass??? by wavedeform · · Score: 2

      By any traditional definition of "workstation" it is not one. It is no more a workstation than the Mini is. Both need additional products to make them functional as such.

      I don't think that this change is different, in spirit, from some of the changes that Apple has pushed in the past. Apple tends to jettison things that it thinks are no longer relevant to the future, e.g. SCSI, ADB, Serial ports, etc. When Apple went USB-only on the original iMac, it was a controversial move, because there wasn't much in the way of a USB device market at that point in time. Fast forward a year or so, and there were more USB devices than you could shake a mouse at. I see the Mac Pro "sneak peek" as a warning shot across the bow of the peripheral manufacturers. If manufacturers get on board with Thunderbolt, it's a pretty interesting future, I think.

      My workflow already uses a combination of a fast boot/swap drive, FW800 and NAS for storage, so that won't change much with a new Mac Pro, other than needing a TB->FW adaptor somewhere (at a cost of $29 from Apple.) I'm a firm believer in the concept of storage living outside of my "compute core." I've changed computers with barely a hitch because my data lived somewhere else.

      Many PCIe cards will already work in an expansion chassis. Many will not. I believe this is mostly a driver issue, other than the rare card that needs more bandwidth than Thunderbolt provides. If you are someone who needs that third (or fifth) high speed graphics card, the new Mac Pro is not for you. But realistically, what percentage of the potential market for this sort of machine is in that segment? I imagine that most PCIe cards will be made to work in an expansion chassis, or a Thunderbolt alternative will appear.

      That said, I'm stuck waiting for MOTU to come up with a Thunderbolt solution for their PCI line (e.g. 2408mk3, HD192). Their adaptor card, the PCIe-424, does NOT work in an expansion chassis. If MOTU doesn't come up with a solution for using their PCI line, the ripple effect of me moving to a new Mac Pro would involve replacing audio interfaces, and my digital mixer. The follow-on costs would probably end up being more than the MacPro. I'm optimistic that MOTU, like most manufacturers will get its act together regarding Thunderbolt.

      Summing up, if Apple & Intel are successful in their gamble to push the world towards Thunderbolt, in a year or so, we'll think that compute cores like the Mac Pro are the natural order. We'll wonder what all the fuss was about. Isn't this the way computers have always been?

    39. Re:Glass??? by Sloppy · · Score: 2

      people that have an IQ above 40 knows it has a big bright light on it when the camera is active

      *sigh* Yes, but people with an IQ above 60 know that you can't ever trust someone else's computer.

      I don't have Glass (nor do I think that particular product lies in my future) but I bet I'll have some kind of wearable within a decade. And rest assured, any light it ever shines, is going to be for my purposes, not other people's purposes. If I'm not in control of the machine, then: no sale. My wearable most certainly will have what most people consider to be a "perv mode."

      I'm not at all interested in looking at other dudes' junk, but I also don't expect any random dude to know that about me. The real reason I won't get punched (I predict) is that 1) people won't know the camera is there at all 2) people won't give a fuck, because they'll have had a few years acclimating to it, thanks to the social pioneers who walk around with Glass and things like it which are inevitably coming.

      Cameras are ubiquitous. People will eventually accept it, whether they want to or not. Those who around with Glass opening displaying their cameras, are teaching the public about something that is already there. They're paving the way for the social acceptance of .. 1990s(?) .. camera technology.

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    40. Re:Glass??? by hjf · · Score: 1

      Intel beat you to it. It's called NUC. Google it

    41. Re:Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First what kind of moron would wear it in the urinal? Normal people stand outside of the urinal and pee into it.... I think your momma did not teach you how to use the bathroom right.

      What kind of bathroom has a urinal? The places I've seen with urinals are public toilets, bathrooms have baths in them and yes they usually have a toilet too but I've not seen one with a urinal.

    42. Re: Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can tether, which is basically what glass does.

    43. Re:Glass??? by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      So you think an external component with its own power supply is going to be cheaper? Pretty naive.

      This is a step backwards not forward. I still remember Amiga A500 external expansions.

    44. Re:Glass??? by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      I agree with the first part! That's why Apple still hasn't figured out how to break into the living room. Everyone keeps rumoring that they will build an actual "Apple TV" (not just a $99 box you plug into one) but the problem is people don't want to buy a new $2000 television with built-in software obsolescence every couple of years (ie. Apple's primary business model), and the profit margin on most "normal" TVs way too low for an Apple product...

      Don't agree with the iPad, though. To make it truly a "peripheral" the phone would run the software, and BT (or any practical medium range wireless solution, really) just isn't enough to drive a 3-4MP display. So throw in the battery, capacitive touchscreen, CPU/GPU etc, and there just isn't a point to *requiring* you own two devices just to get a bigger screen.

    45. Re:Glass??? by ndrw · · Score: 1

      If you acknowledge the enthusiast case modding scene, then nothing that Apple has done with the Mac Pro is at all interesting. It's notable primarily for how it is mismatched to the market segment they are trying to sell it to.

      I would say that depends on what the price point is. If they start selling it for $999, then it's going to be a very nice high end consumer system that will work for many in the graphics, video, or sound industries... However, if they're trying to get $2499 like they are now, then I agree with you, they'll be missing a lot of sales of folks who rely on PCI, expansion, RAID arrays, etc. etc. (just helped someone install and configure a 4x4TB internal array in a mac pro for video editing - for example!)

    46. Re:Glass??? by tibman · · Score: 1

      Hi there. I'm a consumer and i still buy desktops. Just wanted to let you know. I also own a laptop, tablet, and smartphone : ) Guess which one gets the most use? I'll give you a hint. It's the fastest one with the largest display.

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    47. Re:Glass??? by Kardos · · Score: 1

      Google glass will be about as revolutionary as the Segway.

    48. Re:Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > First what kind of moron would wear it in the urinal? Normal people stand outside of the urinal and pee into it.... I think your momma did not teach you how to use the bathroom right.

      You're not actually this stupid, so don't pretend to be.

    49. Re:Glass??? by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      The point I was trying to make was that 200w is a very low power draw for a computer. My 7970 is 99w alone at idle, according to most of the websites I've read.

    50. Re:Glass??? by maccodemonkey · · Score: 1

      First what kind of moron would wear it in the urinal?

      Yeah! What kind of moron would wear it in the urinal?

      And second, I have several times.

      Well that answers my question...

    51. Re:Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Herp Derp there much? Or are you as retarded as the guy lumpy replied to?

      You have to POINT THE CAMERA AT WHAT YOU WANT TO RECORD, THAT MEANS TIPPING YOUR HEAD DOWN TO STARE AT THEIR JUNK.

      Please go back to school and get some education past the 8th grade.

    52. Re:Glass??? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 0

      > Not only that, but the new Mac Pro is probably the most original desktop computer design since.. desktop computers were invented.

      Only if you ignore hobbyists.

      If you acknowledge the enthusiast case modding scene, then nothing that Apple has done with the Mac Pro is at all interesting. It's notable primarily for how it is mismatched to the market segment they are trying to sell it to.

      The trash can would make a great high end consumer Mac.

      Forcing it on computing professionals is criminal stupidity.

      Fucking techno-hipsters who can't tell design from looks. "Design is not how things looks but rather how things work". Putting a couple of off-the-shelf parts with blinkenlights on them into a self-knitted case that looks like the Titanic isn't design. Building a PC with a new efficient way of cooling it is design.

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    53. Re:Glass??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment makes little sense. The G4 Cube was also very different from the typical PC layout, and shares some elements with the new Mac Pro.

    54. Re:Glass??? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I suggest you look at a teardown of the Cube. It was pretty much had a regular-looking PC board in a somewhat novel case. The Cube also made severe performance compromises to run fanless.

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    55. Re:Glass??? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      So you think an external component with its own power supply is going to be cheaper? Pretty naive.

      He didn't say cheaper he said more upgradeable.

    56. Re:Glass??? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I don't think the gaming companies are making that much of an effort. The big push this year has been towards capacitive touch screens with possibly resistive / capacitive. Most gaming laptops don't have this. They don't have the hinge. They aren't retina. What's innovative about them?

  5. Error in summary ? by lord_rob+the+only+on · · Score: 1

    Summary says: Apple, Google and Facebook "areN'T too big too fail". Shouldn't it it say "are too big to fail" ? Makes more sense IMHO...

    1. Re:Error in summary ? by Cenan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They can absolutely fail, that they have not yet proves nothing. Nokia is barely hanging on, yet 10 years ago we would easily have believed that label on them.

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    2. Re:Error in summary ? by rossdee · · Score: 3, Informative

      Can you see the government bailing them out (as they did wall street and the car makers?
      Thats what 'too big to fail means

    3. Re:Error in summary ? by lord_rob+the+only+on · · Score: 1

      I know what too big to fail means. I mean if you bail out Google Facebook or Apple, chances are a new "dot-com bubble" crisis could happen.

    4. Re: Error in summary ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, too big to fail is Orwellian doublespeak. It used to mean Facism, but a government controlled education system is a perfectly executed (positive ?) feedback loop.
      Herding cattle is harder than herding people.
      Which is why google and apple will be just fine.

    5. Re:Error in summary ? by Not_Wiggins · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And to extend your point...
      Before Nokia, it was Motorola that made the best phones on the market.
      But, they stagnated and Nokia took it over with their innovation.
      After building their market, Nokia stagnated and others started taking over from them (Samsung comes to mind).

      One can't always be the market leader because of the load of work on the company.
      Being the biggest/best producer of something requires a company to supply a lot of product to meet that demand. So, a lot of resource is spent just on maintaining supply required by being in 1st place.
      That doesn't leave as much resource or insight into "what to develop next." The leader in a market doesn't have someone else to look at to see what they need to develop... they can only look to themselves.

      Competitors behind/outside of the market leader have the opportunity to see what directions that leader is trying out and to follow in step... focusing on how to take those concepts that seem to work and build upon them.

      Innovate or replicate... two main strategies of product growth and success for a business.

      If you're the leader, you have to innovate to keep your lead. Replicating a competitors innovation means "you're falling behind" and appear to be "failing" (whether that is true or not... it tends to be the perspective of the market).
      As a competitor, you can innovate and/or replicate (and improve) to capture some of that market away from the leader.
      Constant correct innovation is impossible to maintain forever for a single business.

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    6. Re:Error in summary ? by gagol · · Score: 1

      Should read "Too big to LET fail"...

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    7. Re:Error in summary ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why Warren Buffet doesn't invest in technology companies. He figures quire reasonably that people are likely to be drinking soda and eating candy 20 years from now. He also figures that he has no idea what technology will be popular 20, or in this case even 10 years from now. The creative destruction is good for "fast money" investors; but lousy for his "buy great companies and hold them forever" strategy.

    8. Re:Error in summary ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...

      One can't always be the market leader because of the load of work on the company.
      Being the biggest/best producer of something requires a company to supply a lot of product to meet that demand. So, a lot of resource is spent just on maintaining supply required by being in 1st place.
      That doesn't leave as much resource or insight into "what to develop next." The leader in a market doesn't have someone else to look at to see what they need to develop... they can only look to themselves.

      ...

      That's because the first thing the PHB's cut when revenue starts to decline is staff in the areas that "don't produce revenue". So R&D stagnates or declines while the sales and marketing staff increases in size.

    9. Re: Error in summary ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loooooooooooooony alert.

    10. Re:Error in summary ? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but if Google or Facebook, or even Apple or Microsoft, starts to fail - financially, they're losing money and their stocks are losing value - chances are the entire industry has been in "nose dive" mode for some time prior. We're all pretty well fucked at that point.

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  6. Confusion by countach · · Score: 0

    Apple has always been more about taking the technology available and packaging it into something easy to use and accessible. Unless technology itself has stopped evolving, I see no reason to see why this can't continue. The problem is, people have been accustomed to assuming that the Next Big Thing is necessarily going to happen every year or two. This is asking too much.

    Amazon: they're a retailer. Their innovation is being online, and are rather good at it. That's it. There doesn't seem to be any obvious next big thing in selling stuff. Google is in the business of online search, applications and so forth. They're always coming out with new stuff, but there are diminishing returns on how it will change my life. We've arrived in the post-internet era. Calm down, enjoy, stop caring about the Next Big Thing. It may come, it may not. I realise this isn't good news for the online media, but so be it.

    1. Re: Confusion by alen · · Score: 2

      Amazon is cloud computing. The retailer part is just left overs from the 90's

    2. Re:Confusion by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Their innovation is being online, and are rather good at it.

      There are arguments both ways on that. I've bought lots of books and CDs from Amazon (and still do buy a fair number of CDs), but Amazon's lockout policy with ebooks for owners of non-Kindle reader devices is just silly. I'm just one individual, and if Amazon have missed out on a few sales to me just because I happen to prefer a Sony reader, multiply that number by $BIGNUM and it. will end up as a sizeable chunk of money they have failed to grab.

      Ditto their policy with music. Amazon offers a good service in allowing the buyer to listen to tracks before putting any money down. But since I have now built myself a decent music box, I prefer not to store CDs if I don't have to, so their silly policy of not selling recordings in lossless format often leads me to look elsewhere.

      Even iTunes offers lossless recordings (it's easy to convert from .m4a to FLAC), though the selection of recordings is fairly limited.

    3. Re:Confusion by ebno-10db · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple has always been more about taking the technology available and packaging it into something easy to use and accessible.

      Hear, hear!

      Apple's real strength is industrial design. Their engineering is competent, but nothing terribly inventive (certainly not relative to the stature of the company). People whose only understanding of technology is going "ooh, ahh" over the latest consumer product don't seem to understand the difference. In terms of engineering and innovation the real McCoy has been the work done by others to create the latest gen fab process, OLED displays, or wireless standards and chip level implementation. Apple puts them together into nice packages. There is nothing wrong with that as a business, but the real technological innovation comes from their suppliers and other companies.

      Facebook is even less of a tech company. Obviously they use computers and networks, but so do banks. Does anybody call banks tech companies because of that? Facebook is about marketing an idea, not any great technological innovation.

    4. Re:Confusion by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      In all fairness my original post overlooked Apple's chip design work. I don't know enough about it to say how innovative it is.

    5. Re:Confusion by gagol · · Score: 1

      (it's easy to convert from .m4a to FLAC)

      It is also pointless... unless you meant the opposite.

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    6. Re:Confusion by Clsid · · Score: 1

      But that backend innovation can only take place if consumers buy a lot of appliances. I believe that what Apple does is important, since it seems it's one of the few companies able to push hardware forward. They set the trend to kill the floppy, provide good web browsers on smartphones, get rid of mechanical hard drives and now they are doing the same with the DVD drive. Plus the energy efficiency of their products are often overlooked but it is one of their most important features imho.

      Other companies like Facebook also provides technology in the form of software. You can be a tech company and only produce specialized polymers.

    7. Re:Confusion by gmueckl · · Score: 1

      Not if the .m4a is encoded using Apple's own lossless format, which they also store in a MPEG 4 container.

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    8. Re:Confusion by jbolden · · Score: 1

      It is interesting but anti-innovative. They use a more old fashioned sort of "hand crafted" design with modules which is less automated than the designs that people like Samsung use. The result is a chip that is:

      a) Better fitted to one unique piece of hardware
      b) Slower and more expensive than the generic though often the fit makes it equal
      c) Less power consummative then the generic

  7. 'Peak Data' theory incorrect by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 0

    Data is abiotically generated by natural entropic processes in the mantle of novel pragma. As yet we have only skirted the edges of the Mandelbrot Set because we are fond of semantic connectitude. But research into anomalous fusion has hinted that some day we may find a way to plumb the depths of the Lake to find the answers to life's Big Questions, and a joke whose punchline would make the cosmos shudder, then contract.

    I'm already there.

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    1. Re:'Peak Data' theory incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bingo! I've got Bingo!

  8. what is innovation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would not have asked the question if FB was not in the set. Arguable almost innovation is just a significant (or sometimes not so) improvement of existing stuff. FB has not done anything however that would qualify as improvement. At least I fail to see any improvement FB actually made. I guess I am too old.

    1. Re: what is innovation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'll go one further and say that the Facebook of 5 years ago was better than the Facebook of today. If that's considered innovation, then maybe Google and Apple are better off without.

    2. Re:what is innovation? by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Social Graph and Scalability for large data sets. Facebook has definitely pioneered that domain (along with Google).

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    3. Re:what is innovation? by oztiks · · Score: 1

      Hardly, comparing what Google does vs what Facebook does. Remember Youtube alone sports 1bn+ uniques per month. What is Facebooks entire user base again? 1bn users in total. So you take just one part of Google's kingdom and it amasses to more use and value to the internet then the entire Facebook kingdom. Infact I'd go as far to say Facebook and Youtube are comparibly similar companies, size and value wise.

      Social Graph is just another unstandarised dtd and tag subset the internet can do without. We hated it when Microsoft did it but it's okay for Facebook to get away with it? I think not.

      Facebook should of stayed with innovation regarding photo and photo distribution services. That's its niche and its most popular service. Instant Messaging, App development and location services are all been and done and the ones that do it, do it at an OS level, therefore there's no room for a middle man and why Facebook Home was a failure.

    4. Re:what is innovation? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      In general Facebook validated the so-called social networks, and made them work for everybody. Something MySpace and others were not able to do. Facebook was also able to make photo sharing and commenting extremely easy and created a platform for web games with massive audiences. If you remember well, before Facebook, people had to use stuff like Classmates.com to try and find each other. So all of those were big game changers. Also the whole concept of the global village is pretty much synthesized in there.

      But of course, then we have the privacy issues and data mining operations, which are huge. They could have lived perfectly by only charging people for extra storage of pictures, and good old-fashioned newspaper style advertising by region, but the greed of companies like Google and Facebook knows no bounds. So we have this situation now where everything you do is being tracked online. Just check on your web logs how many times your computer talks to Facebook and Google domains per session even if you don't visit those websites.

    5. Re:what is innovation? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      The problem with your rationale is that the 1bn Facebook users are contributing with a lot more details in general than your regular Youtube visitor. So there is no way Facebook and Youtube are comparable in that regard. You don't see all companies rushing to create a Youtube channel while having a Facebook presence is kind of a must these days.

    6. Re:what is innovation? by oztiks · · Score: 1

      If you're talking about sheer data size you're wrong, since the GP's statement was regarding data storage.

      If you're talking about individual bits of data, it's almost impossible to measure against eachother (unlesss both companies released figures). Facebook would host a lot of data in relation to messaging services but that alone brings up more problems in gauging the size and activity of Facebook. Every time I log on to my PC Gtalk and Skype runs the background. People who use Facebook occupy Facebook for prelonged periods because of how the service is devised. I'm almost certian that if it was a desktop app that ran in the task tray FB's page duration time would falter (right now my friend is using Facebook right next to me, she's having to sit on a website to "chat" to her family overseas, she'll log off Facebook and call them via Skype later in the day to have a conversation, a conversation that will cost her real money) *.

      Consider, the average size of a WMV or MPG is far larger than wall posts and resized JPGs. Further, the Play Store (which is a part of YouTube) supports distribution of movies and music and does so to SmartTV's, SmartPhones, Gaming Consoles even most new BlueRay players sport a YouTube player of some sort.

      * I do realise that Facebook is upping its game regarding these forms of services, the issue is that alot of it sits on 3rd party platfroms (like Skype), in actual fact a lot of Facebooks interactive services (such as Maps / Translations services) rely on the Microsoft.

      P.S I wont even go into Facebook pages, many people may have them, many people may use them. I have now setup several of the things with paid adverising surrounding them, Google Adwords still drives more relvant and better customers to business sites. FB pages get likes, FB pages dont get $$ in peoples pockets and the latest figures show that nearly 2 / 3's of advertisers do not know how affective FB pages / FB advertising is for their companies - but this is another rant for another day.

  9. Overly high expectations by Camembert · · Score: 2

    These companies cannot easily or quickly go way beyond their current expertise, like for example investigating human genome related innovations, but that does not mean that they cannot be transformative again. Apple as an example has released a lot of transformative products in a short time frame: iPod, iphone, ipad, macbook air have all been hugely influential. It is perhaps too high an expactations to expect them to keep up the current pace. However I think that the smartwatch, once it get released, can be another transformative step towards a world of in essence invisible, wearable computing. Google glass falls also in this category. I can also imagine that these companies will continue to buy up small companies with really good new ideas. Didn't Apple and Google each buy home automation companies? That is another area where I expect transformative products.

  10. Re: Deinvent cycle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a lot of the next big thing coming up and as far as the big 3 mentioned it will come from Apple in the form of a smart watch and hopefully their tv. With Google it will be from their smart glasses and automated cars. As far as the rest it will come from visionaries outside of those companies like Elon Musk with EV, spacex, and hopefully lives long enough superloop. The rest of the next big (consumer) thing will come from the 3D printing and robotics.

  11. Google need to slow down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They are getting so much persona data from us all that they need to build 'n' more data centers around the world to process it all let alone all the data they are going to get from Glass.

    Thankfully, if you Google for me, you come up with nothing. How long can I get away with this? My guess that not very long, eventually everyone will be have there relationship with everyone else mapped out all nice and cleanly and pretty for their NSA Overlords.

    Google, the worldwide arm of the NSA. The world is sleep walking onto a surveileance state where the uSA is watching everyone in the world legally or not, they don't care really.

    1. Re:Google need to slow down by c0lo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thankfully, if you Google for me, you come up with nothing.

      Oh? About 3,410,000 results (0.19 seconds)

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  12. Facebook, google invented little by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 0

    This article must be flamebait. Google didnt invent much, there were dozens of search engines when it came around. Web mail was already thought up when it came around. Even facebook didnt invent, the profile thing had already been implemented by numerous other people. It was mainly marketing and repackaging of existing ideas. All innovation has come from three companies? Give me a break,

    1. Re:Facebook, google invented little by pthisis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This article must be flamebait. Google didnt invent much, there were dozens of search engines when it came around

      There were, but they sucked. And I say this as someone who was at Carnegie Mellon when they came up with Lycos (and had been through webcrawler, and archie and veronica in the pre-http days), and suffered through altavista when it was still at digital.com and plenty of other early efforts.

      The idea of using the number of links to a page as an indication of its importance was huge, and it and the rest of PageRank were truly innovative--you went from normally going through 5-10 pages of results and sometimes more to almost always having the thing you were looking for on the first page. Simply the concept of having an "I'm feeling lucky" button was unthinkable in the earlier days.

      They were also among the earlier places to recognize that XMLHTTP/XmlHttpRequest wasn't just an Outlook plugin, bringing AJAX into the mainstream (which was hugely significant, and one of the reasons we're not saddled with shitty Flash sites anymore).

      Even facebook didnt invent

      They're the obvious outlier here, they haven't invented crap. They've tied together other technologies in ways that people like, built a network, and marketed well, but they've never had anything technically significant.

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    2. Re:Facebook, google invented little by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's part of the Ayn Rand mentality where all credit is given to the appropriate tyrant whether or not that guy is actually an "entrepenuer" or not. No one considers the little guy whether that's current upstart startups or just the cogs in the tyrant's company.

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    3. Re:Facebook, google invented little by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      You have to admit it's easier than doing real historical analysis, though! Technology is a complex thing, and analyzing who contributed to technological innovation requires a lot of tracing connections and contributions. You know, the kind of work historians of technology do.

      Wouldn't it be a lot easier if, instead of having to do work, we could just sort companies by how much their stock has gone up, and declare that a measure of innovation?

    4. Re:Facebook, google invented little by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      Even facebook didnt invent

      They're the obvious outlier here, they haven't invented crap.

      Very true, but what has Apple invented? A serious question. I can't think of anything, but I may easily have overlooked something (that and I'm not in the mood to be flamed by iFanBois). Apple's strength is industrial design and image.

      I also agree Google really did create a better search engine, which is very useful. I wonder if AltaVista mightn't have done something similar if they hadn't been left to rot, but the bottom line is that they didn't.

      However, the hype about Google's innovations since then have been overdone. They've bought some interesting companies. They've hired some big names in CS. They hire cool kids from fancy schools. It's a good place to work with multicolored geegaws in the lobby and free pan-Asian fusion cuisine (wouldn't mind that perk myself), but what great innovations have they come up with?

      Every time Google does anything people go "ooh, ahh" because it came from Google. Even the driverless car thing is overhyped. They may have done some good work, but people act like they invented the very idea. IIRC it's heavily based on earlier work done for DARPA. More importantly, lots of other companies have been working on this, and developing useful things from it, for years. They're mostly car companies so people don't go "ooh, ahh, brilliant Silicon Valley innovation". They tend to take a bottom up rather than a top down approach, which may not stand out at the science fair, but parts of it actually get put into production. Google doesn't sell cars that park themselves. Production is where you really get to work out the kinks of how things do in the real world, hence this will be what actually leads to more autonomous cars in the real world. Google X is not going to suddenly going to start selling the Sergeymobile. It's akin to the progress of AI, where the old Minsky/McCarthy "lets write a bazillion lines of LISP and pass the Turing test" became a laughingstock decades ago. OTOH the AI that dare not speak its name, using a bottom up approach for things like machine vision, has been making serious progress for decades. You have to crawl before you can walk, and walk before you can run.

    5. Re:Facebook, google invented little by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      You have to admit it's easier than doing real historical analysis, though! Technology is a complex thing, and analyzing who contributed to technological innovation requires a lot of tracing connections and contributions. You know, the kind of work historians of technology do.

      How true. It amazes me how ignorant someone can be and still be called a reporter or pundit or whatever. Even the historians of technology, or at least the ones that write non-specialist books, often do a terrible job. All too often the history of technology (or science for that matter) is described as a series of isolated brilliant ideas. Utter nonsense. I'll bet most people think the Wright Brothers "invented" the airplane. Their big innovation was figuring out how to control an airplane in flight. Others had already created non-functional airplanes that had wings, propellers and motors good enough to fly.

    6. Re:Facebook, google invented little by deergomoo · · Score: 1

      Very true, but what has Apple invented? A serious question. I can't think of anything, but I may easily have overlooked something (that and I'm not in the mood to be flamed by iFanBois). Apple's strength is industrial design and image.

      Apple don't invent. They refine, if you will. I think it's fair to say that they made some of the first desktops, laptops, smartphones, and tablets that a wide range of people from the average Joe to professionals would want to use, and that is an impressive feat. But to say they invented any of the products they sell wouldn't really be true.

    7. Re:Facebook, google invented little by c0d3g33k · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not to be pedantic, but the "Ayn Rand mentality" is pretty much the opposite of what you think it is. The tyrants stealing credit (and everything else) are the *villains* and the "little guy (and gal)" entrepreneurs are the *heroes*. The current status quo would be considered a dystopia according to the Ayn Rand mentality.

      What may be confusing you is that some of the protagonists were successful industrialists who admittedly aren't "the little guy" at that point in their careers, but they were in the minority compared to those that acted as you say. They didn't rise to the top by stealing from underlings but earned it by actually being the best. Rand's ideal world would be a true and quite unforgiving meritocracy. That last bit is what usually rubs people the wrong way, causing them to reject Rand in knee-jerk fashion without really understanding what she was saying.

    8. Re:Facebook, google invented little by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      Not to be pedantic, but the "Ayn Rand mentality" is pretty much the opposite of what you think it is.

      I don't think I'd want to live in a world where charity is considered a character flaw, but in fairness I've read her books and c0d3g33k is right.

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    9. Re:Facebook, google invented little by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Even facebook didnt invent

      They're the obvious outlier here, they haven't invented crap. They've tied together other technologies in ways that people like, built a network, and marketed well, but they've never had anything technically significant.

      I bet they invented something. It's not on the user end or really evident, but there is a reason they are able to monetize things as well as they do and probably better than the other sites that did the same. I bet they've made some significant advances in data mining and usage. To many people that may seem like making advances in concentration camp technology, but it's still useful for making money.

    10. Re:Facebook, google invented little by AnotherAnonymousUser · · Score: 1

      It's true that social networks and search engines were built or innovated on the shoulders of giants, but the important thing is not that they had to do something truly new in order to transform our lives - the innovation came from the lives of the users, not from the specific code technology implemented to produce it, and their effects were sweeping and permanently transformative in their nature.

      15 years ago, we didn't have a way to instantly receive news tailored to our specific interests, keep in touch with people constantly anywhere in the world to the point that we might as well be right next door to them, automatically sync and permanently back up all of our digital photos, target our online searches to exactly what we wanted to find, or look up anything on anyone or any subject in seconds, especially without being tethered to a desktop. While Facebook is finding that they can't really expand past certain core areas of their offerings, the inherent use of what they've created is a thing that would not otherwise exist, and that *is* an invention. Many social networks since have tended to model themselves after Facebook's innovations, in the same way that MMORPGs all looked like EVE or WoW after their success.

      They might not be amazing or particularly interesting technologies so much as impressive exercises in optimization, but they've certainly had such a radical effect on people all over the world that it should be considered an invention of sorts. We couldn't fully envision the scope of what a Facebook or Google could do to the world, and the world was both modeled after and changed by their existence. It would be foolish to say that they're done innovating on any of these counts.

    11. Re:Facebook, google invented little by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      *Voluntary* charity was not considered a character flaw, but the mentality that all heaven and earth must be put on hold and all endeavors must be taken from until every single person has food most certainly is.

      It's treating everyday life as if it was some emergency situation, squatting on the development of industry that actually lifts people out of shitholes.

      "The question is not, 'Should I or shouldn't I give a beggar a dime?' The question is whether the beggar should have a first claim on your life and your efforts."

      And, finally, help to poor people is a drop in the bucket nowadays compared to the cumulative obesity that is government (including almost $2 trillion a year in regulatory burden on top of all the taxation.)

      Nobody listens. Nobody cares. They live in their little world of 80-IQ Life Guidance Memes that tell them how to think, binding them as a mass behind their power-hungry leaders.

      Wait, what was this thread about again?

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    12. Re:Facebook, google invented little by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      Rand's ideal world would be a true and quite unforgiving meritocracy.

      Meritocracy is a wonderful ideal that I wish our society were closer to, but there is no reason for a meritocracy to be "unforgiving" as you put it. There are two separate issues. The only one that meritocracy accurately refers to is on what basis people rise to a more powerful, more prestigious and/or better paid position. The other issue, which is often falsely conflated with meritocracy, is how much of a difference there is between different people's wealth, income and power. US inequality has grown dramatically in recent decades even as, I'd argue, we've become less meritocratic.

    13. Re:Facebook, google invented little by Clsid · · Score: 1

      I think all of these companies created something new and it is the very fact why they became huge in the first place.

      In general Facebook validated the so-called social networks, and made them work for everybody. Something MySpace and others were not able to do. Facebook was also able to make photo sharing and commenting extremely easy and created a platform for web games with massive audiences. If you remember well, before Facebook, people had to use stuff like Classmates.com to try and find each other. So all of those were big game changers. Also the whole concept of the global village is pretty much synthesized in there.

      Google's search engine was and it still is the main drive behind the company. But Maps, with their scrollable Ajax tiles pretty much made competing products look like a toy. Same deal with Gmail, and they even created the next Windows without even realizing it, which is Android.

      I had some hopes for Microsoft after they created Bing, XBox360, .NET, but lately they seem to be failing in all areas now, and if they are not playing catch up they are screwing their traditional products in a very weird way, from Windows to the Surface. Still, they have plenty of money so there is time to reinvent the company after Ballmer and the suits step down. Just taking a look at who's head of the Windows division speaks volumes about why they are producing these kind of crap. Previous guy left after behaving like a sociopath, new one has a business degree and work on "user experience". The head of OSX is a guy who is both an electrical engineer and a computer science major with a master on CS, and part of the NeXT team, hardly a person chosen by internal office politics. And if you look at Linux, well, the guy who pretty much started the whole thing still runs the show.

      So my point is that as long as you have the hackers, the engineers and the resources we will still see plenty of innovation as we did with the Facebook kid, or the Google boys. Microsoft needs to either become an IBM with a sound service infrastructure and top management or go back to being the software powerhouse it once was.

    14. Re:Facebook, google invented little by Branciforte · · Score: 2

      You are wielding a blunt club. I can use your same argument to claim that no one ever invented anything, since all inventions rest on some other invention.

      It is easy to look at Google and say that anything they do bears some resemblance to something else. This is especially true if you think Google is a search company, or an ad company. It's not.

      Google is a huge AI research lab. Search is one application of AI, and displaying ads pays the bills. Most of the work that goes on at Google involves pattern matching of some sort. Google is innovating all of the time (data center efficiency, green energy use, more efficient web information transfer, AI algorithms that form knowledge graphs, control systems that treat the entire datacenter as a single computer, and on and on). And those innovation are presented to the public in the form of research papers.

      Those innovations are not immediately obvious to people who think Google is just a search engine and/or advertising company.

    15. Re:Facebook, google invented little by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      Just to be clear, I didn't say "THE ideal world is a true and quite unforgiving meritocracy", I said "RAND's ideal world is a true and quite unforgiving meritocracy" in an attempt to concisely summarize the "Ayn Rand mentality". Didn't mean to imply that an unforgiving meritocracy was ideal or that I thought it was. To be fair, that isn't really what Rand considered ideal either, but that's a conversation for another venue. Your points are well taken, though possibly veering even more off-topic than my response to the GP. :-)

    16. Re:Facebook, google invented little by pthisis · · Score: 1

      Google's search engine was and it still is the main drive behind the company. But Maps, with their scrollable Ajax tiles pretty much made competing products look like a toy

      But Google Maps isn't really a Google innovation--it was conceived by 2 Technologies, who pitched the idea to them. Google certainly recognized the value and ran with it (and acquired them in 2005).

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    17. Re:Facebook, google invented little by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      *Voluntary* charity was not considered a character flaw

      Rand seemed to view the world in black and white terms, where, to use her words, selfishness is good and altruism is bad. I applaud her for being a strong voice that what people do should be voluntary, but that doesn't mean we need a moral case against wanting to do things for other people.

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    18. Re:Facebook, google invented little by Clsid · · Score: 1

      There is a lot of good tech out there that hardly see the masses, so the real innovation is making it happen. Is it important that there were pseudo-smartphones before the iPhone or prehistoric tablets before the iPad? The Ford Model-T was not an innovation in itself since it was about making a car affordable.

    19. Re:Facebook, google invented little by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      It is difficult to discuss objectivism with people who,whether they are for or against, fail to recognize John Galt as a negative example.

    20. Re:Facebook, google invented little by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      help to poor people is a drop in the bucket nowadays compared to the cumulative obesity that is government

      Which demolishes your own criticism of "all heaven and earth must be put on hold and all endeavors must be taken from until every single person has food". Clearly you can feed everyone without halting all else. To what extent that "all else" should be in the government sphere is a different issue.

      They live in their little world of 80-IQ Life Guidance Memes that tell them how to think, binding them as a mass behind their power-hungry leaders.

      While the Great Minds of Slashdot toil in vain to halt the Supremacy of Mediocrity? Don't flatter yourself. Hans Reiser is a smart guy, but he's now getting free room and board courtesy of the State of California. Intelligence is not the same as wisdom or self control.

    21. Re:Facebook, google invented little by gmueckl · · Score: 1

      To know what was before is important to understand why the product that finally created the mass market managed to do just that.

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    22. Re:Facebook, google invented little by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Very true, but what has Apple invented? A serious question.

      For example... IEEE Standard arithmetic (together with Intel).

      For example... An efficient method for drawing into non-rectangular areas. Which is essential for overlapping windows (thanks, Bill Atkinson).

      Just to mention a few things that are not widely known.

    23. Re:Facebook, google invented little by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      It is difficult to discuss anything with people who demand acceptance of their opinion of the subject as a foregone conclusion and prerequisite.

    24. Re:Facebook, google invented little by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about the objective measurement of Galt against his own standards, not some moral judgement of how liked he is. He totally devotes not only his own work but that of everyone else to the sake of other...just not to benefit them but to spite them. In the name of individualism he organizes one of the greast collective actions in his history.

      John Galt would consider John Galt a failure.

    25. Re:Facebook, google invented little by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      You're talking to yourself about Galt. No one else was. Rand, what her views actually were (originally raised by the parent of this thread as peripherally relevant to the question of innovation in large modern corporations)? Yes. Galt? No. Let it go. There will be other opportunities - wait for them. You're waaaay off topic here.

    26. Re:Facebook, google invented little by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Using animation and capacitive touch screen together for a web based system was unique to Apple. That was innovation. Display postscript which became display pdf was innovation. Objective-C was innovation. Etc..

  13. Is Loon not innovative? by simplexion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess this isn't happening then? http://www.google.com/loon/
    Maybe whoever wrote this article isn't impressed by interesting things that these companies create. Do they believe that because they are big and their innovations should also be "big"? This article is stupid.

    1. Re:Is Loon not innovative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell is this? As if pollution is not already a problem, the idea is to fill up the sky with balloons? :/

    2. Re:Is Loon not innovative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you retarded?

      I dare say things like "the smartphone", "the search engine", "the social network" are a damn sight more innovative and world-changing than some ridiculous feel-good PR effort involving free wi-fi..

    3. Re:Is Loon not innovative? by NightHwk1 · · Score: 1

      This is the first I've heard about the Loon project, and at first I thought it was just a site left over from April 1st. But it's actually a very cool idea for rural connectivity.

    4. Re:Is Loon not innovative? by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      I know, right? That's teeny tiny sky? They'll fill it in no time!

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    5. Re:Is Loon not innovative? by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      People connect to the balloon network using a special Internet antenna attached to their building. The signal bounces from balloon to balloon, then to the global Internet back on Earth.

      Interesting, although I wonder what the latency will be like. Although I guess if it's meant for off-the-grid places then better that than nothing?

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  14. Innovation source by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

    Innovation comes from minds and the minds that invent the next big things can be in big companies just as easily as small ones. Link bait.

    1. Re:Innovation source by gagol · · Score: 1

      You underestimate the role of enterprise culture a lot.

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  15. Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Without pioneering folks like Jack Kilby, you think we have electronic computers ?

    Without hardware providers such as Intel which transformed CPU into affordable commodity items, you think we get $399 iPhone/iPad ?

    And by the way, what kind of "innovation" FB has brought to the world ?

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    1. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is more innovation in home Garages and basements than Apple,Google,FB,Microsoft, and HP combined. They just lack funding.

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    2. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by poetmatt · · Score: 2

      lacking funding? no, not really.

      the successful ones come from home garages such as apple, google, fb, and microsoft. In today's market it's even easier with stuff like kickstarter.

    3. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Pav · · Score: 0

      How about "they're mostly open source" because that's the only real way you're not going to be nuked out of business by established players weilding patents etc... anyway. It's also interesting that such companies as Apple, Google, FB... and even Microsoft (Skype/Linux) and HP these days are building a lot of their value on open source.

    4. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by dAzED1 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Don't be silly - FB umm...err...well, they made a website using PHP like hundreds of thousands of other websites! One that allowed you to communicate with your friends and family, like myspace and all the other things before it! They got a lot of money with sustainable profit model! They...err...sorry, that's all I can think of...

      Anyone who would give the packaging to FB (same as Apple, really) has to give the packaging of AWS to Amazon...and on a technical level, they are leagues and leagues beyond FB on "innovation" in that packaging.

    5. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by dAzED1 · · Score: 1

      err...that should say "got a lot of money without a sustainable profit model" - oh well ;) Slashdot should "innovate" a way to edit posts...

    6. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Gr33nJ3ll0 · · Score: 1

      The "World"? Not much, but I suspect they've got some interesting back end systems to handle all that traffic. Too bad they're not sharing.

    7. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by rea1l1 · · Score: 0, Informative

      And the kids that started them had very well-off parents - probably with connections to enter the industry.

    8. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Without pioneering folks like Jack Kilby, you think we have electronic computers ?

      What part of "over the last decade" did you not understand?

      Although as far as Innovation goes - what has Facebook innovated really? MySpace was pretty popular before them, and it doesn't seem like FB is really doing much that's different... other than currently succeeding. But FB seems to already be losing steam with younger people - it's we old farts that currently drive it.

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    9. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's special about Jack Kilby and Intel? I'm not trying to belittle what they have done, but if they hadn't then surely someone else would have.

    10. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Just remember... innovation isn't limited to features and software development.

      Facebook innovations:
      back-end data mining for extremely large sets of data (they made hadoop clusters actually work in a useful manner)
      creating a business model that tricks a HUGE number of consumers into handing over their marketing data and then not complain too loudly about the resultingabuse
      in partnership with Zynga: perfecting the Freemium model.

      Those are just three off the top of my head. Nothing earth shattering, but all three were major choke points for the industry before Facebook solved them. Sure, someone else might have solved them if they hadn't (Marconi, Wright Bros, Edison come to mind) but they were in the right place at the right time to make their contributions stick.

      Similarly, one of Google's biggest innovations was stolen from Xerox PARC with tweaks: the "20%" rule. The rest is what has fallen out of that.

    11. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 0, Troll

      I just love it when Windows fanbois project their sexual preferences onto others, don't you?

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    12. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      ...or you could "innovate" one for them. Perhaps you could call it, I dunno, a "Preview button", maybe.

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    13. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you suggesting that an average Joe wouldn't be able to set up their own massive server farm, crawl the entire internet for huge quantities of data and then serve the results to thousands of users per day? And do this for several years before starting to generate revenue? Are you suggesting this would bankrupt anyone not in a position of privilege to start with?

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    14. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without hardware providers such as Intel which transformed CPU into affordable commodity items, you think we get $399 iPhone/iPad ?

      ARM CPUs power iPhone iPad, not Intel. Invented in Cambridge England

    15. Re: Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by segin · · Score: 1

      Except the iWidgets use ARM, not x86 processors.

    16. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're forgetting, Taco Cowboy, that Slashdot is now a Shill Site, which is why they blow Apple, Google, and Facebook by posting "stories" that start out alleging they're innovators, when none of them can innovate for shit.

      Apple's MO is now, and has always been, to look around for something someone better than they are came up with, polish the fuck out of it, and call it "new," then sue anybody who tries to use the same idea, even the original inventor. They have never come up with ANYTHING new. The GUI they stole from Xerox who had bought it from MIT, the integrated circuit music player, (later "MP3 player") they stole to make the iPod, the tablet computer has been around WAY before the iPad, (or iFad, as I call it,) OS-X is just so much Apple polish thrown on top of a BSD-OS (FreeBSD?) and X... (hence the name, btw - the fact that it was released right when Mac OS 10 would have been released was just a happy coincidence for them,) iTunes... how very VERY many music-management and electronic jukebox software packages existed before it? Dozens? Hundreds? Remember WinAmp? Anyway...

      Google had ONE good idea, concerning ranking pages by number of pages that refer to it, (I believe they call that, "PageRank") everything else they stole or bought from someone else. Google+, for example... yeah, they invented social networking. Gmail... yeah, they invented e-mail...

      As for Facebook, a site everything about which I hold in absolute fucking contempt... what did THEY pioneer? Getting people to give away things that are valuable for free, then turning around and making money off them? Confidence men, or "con-men," have been doing that forever, and snake-oil salesmen have been bilking people of their hard-earned cash and giving them nothing in return for centuries.

      Little to nothing new here. But if you believe in Style Over Substance, (as so many Apple fanboys do...) and all the best solutions to your needs come from Google, (as so many people think, sadly, to the extent that Google is now considered a verb meaning "to search for,") and you waste even a second of the day on Facebook, (how many untold man-millennia have been squandered fucking around on Facebook?) then you might just think the world is headed downhill because one of these genuinely more-important-than-they've-any-right-to-be companies has "peaked".

      -Yawn-. Carry on.

    17. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by wmac1 · · Score: 1

      Yes, they have more computers to handle more traffic.

      Oh and of course web servers, database software, load balancers .. They should really be innovative then.

    18. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      And the kids that started them had very well-off parents - probably with connections to enter the industry.

      Connections, yes, but that was silicon valley back then - if you didn't do electronics, your neighbour did (and everyone knew the neighbours).

      But Steve and Steve didn't have rich parents. Woz had a respectable job at HP, Jobs, well...

      Basically, the Apple I was funded entirely out of sales of one HP calculator (by Woz) and a lot of smooth talking by Jobs. When Jobs sold 1000 Apple I's, they didn't have the money to build it - what happened was Jobs convinced everyone to give them net 30 terms, but even then, they basically had a locked cabinet of parts - they weren't charged until parts were removed from that cabinet at the factory. So what Jobs did was pay for a run of say, 10 Apple I's, then take them to the store and get paid for those. Then he'd take that and do a bigger run.

      But basically the suppliers were skeptical they'd get paid, and that's how Apple sold the Apple I - with money by selling Woz's calculator being the initial seed money and using daily sales to fund the next run of Apple I's to fulfill the order.

      Heck, Jobs had to change colleges because he couldn't afford it.

    19. Re: Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Well, for a long time they were unusable without an x86 computer. Before the iCloud anyway. Even now only iCloud and no local x86 machine to sync the iDevice with is difficult to use for most people. And iDevices build on people's getting used to the internet / digital cameras including mobile phone cameras / viewing and sharing pictures. Which was all largely popularized by ubiquity of x86 computers. Ubiquity was largely driven by Intel, and AMD, though the latter rarely gets much mindshare. This drove most people to get an internet connection, without which iDevices are largely useless.

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    20. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah because your choice of computer operating is totally tied to your sexual preference...seriously could you sink any lower? Also I would be interested to know how exactly you have interpreted the comment you replied to such that you believe it in any way implied any sexual preference.

    21. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And by the way, what kind of "innovation" FB has brought to the world ?

      Hive

    22. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Sorry you are wrong. You CAN NOT fund the "next new thing" in HW with Kickstarter (i.e. 3D printing isn't TNNT). In general innovation will not happen in the US any longer because economically and technologically it's a hollow shell - a Potemkin's village. ALL Web 2.0 are exactly this: trailing edge technology getting funded and lip-sticked like the pigs they are.

    23. Re:Innovation only from Google, FB, Apple ?? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      1. In case you missed it: I said "fanbois". I did not say "users".

      2. In case you missed it: The OP is the one who brought up fellatio, not I.

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  16. Outhouse fabrication? by mangu · · Score: 5, Funny

    When all your in-house innovation leads to outhouse fabrication

    How much innovation is needed to fabricate a tiny room?

    Buy everyone who innovates and shut out any possible competition

    In this case, I believe you mean shit out any possible competition.

  17. Have they? by Voyager529 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Facebook was the result of some epic timing, but I can't necessarily call them innovative. Before Facebook, there were some pretty well populated social networks, Myspace being the one whose problems they solved, but Geocities, AIM, and IRC before it also helped break ground. Facebook brought very few foundational ideas to the table.

    Apple is a victim of its own success. No matter what they release, it will be compared to the iPhone (which brought smartphones and data plans to the masses), or the iPad (which all but started the tablet PC market). Very few companies have ever had products that successful, and the fact of the matter is that it's nearly impossible to maintain that momentum consistently.

    Google might have a handful of good ideas left in it, but they have a different problem. When they started, it was basically a haven for geeks where they could throw Jell-O at the wall and see what stuck. I'm certain that there were projects that spent a week being added to the drawing board and were never pursued, to say nothing of the projects that have ultimately been scrapped over time. The problem is that Google has financial expectations on it now, which means that the geeks who could come up with some innovative ideas need to allocate their time pursuant to whether they can meet their deadlines. This kind of thinking leaves a lot of the gambling on the table.

    Amazon doesn't need much innovation. They're the Wal-Mart of the internet, and this isn't a bad thing. They all but 'personify' the term "economies of scale". .If it's a good idea, Amazon can throw resources at it, whether it be servers, distribution, money, or audience. They have all of these things in great abundance, and generally keep their customers happy with cheap prices and (unlike wal-mart) generally very good customer service, and do so extremely efficiently. As long as they keep doing this, and do it as well as they have been for nearly 20 years, then they will continue to be profitable.

    The problem with innovation in this context is that it doesn't seem to count, except when it does. The Newton was innovative. The PocketPC was, at some level, innovative. "Innovation" isn't what's being looked for. What is being looked for is "Innovation that immediately captures the public's attention and makes a substantial amount of money, market share, and mindshare in a very short period of time".

    1. Re:Have they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is a victim of its own success. No matter what they release, it will be compared to the iPhone (which brought smartphones and data plans to the masses), or the iPad (which all but started the tablet PC market).

      That's true, now. Once, Apple releases were compared to the iPod, and before that, the Mac.

    2. Re:Have they? by foniksonik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Facebook has innovated.

      They've innovated in data centers - you can't operate at the scale they do (bigger than Google or Apple in terms of networking and hardware) without innovation.

      They've innovated in Big Data - hundreds of millions of users, billions of relationships between the accounts. Their Social Graph implementation is a big deal. Mining said data to enable search, photo tagging/suggest (just the scale of facial recognition going on is mind boggling) and of course for advertising / segmentation purposes.

      They've innovated in their app program for developers - Zynga's FarmVille for better or worse was a sensation and would not have happened without FBs developer API.

      They've innovated in Single Sign On / Federated ID - FB is the biggest provider of SSO in the western world (Weibo and TaoBao may have them beat in China). Salesforce is next followed by Twitter and LinkedIn.

      I'm no FB fan as a consumer but to say they haven't innovated is the height of ignorance as a technologist.

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    3. Re:Have they? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Facebook was just MySpace for kids, where you had to be approved by said person in order to see their wall, or scroll, or whatever the kids call it nowadays.

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    4. Re:Have they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook has innovated but here they are being put in a list with Google and Apple. Two of the greatest tech companies of the last decade and maybe of all time. These two are really in a different league. I mean look at these market redefining and dominating products over the last decade or so for these two companies:

      Google
      - Search, Gmail, Youtube, Android, Maps

      Apple
      - iPod, iTunes, iPhone, iPad

      These are real hit it out of the park market successes. Youtube just marked it has over 1 billion unique visitors a month. iPod redefined how people buy and consume music, then the iPhone redefined everything else. And these products are just the marquee ones. There are many other smaller successes and many other smaller innovations.

      Can you really look at that list above and honestly say, Single Sign On and FarmVille style apps put Facebook in the same league as these other two companies?

    5. Re:Have they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What technologist isn't at the height of ignorance in his field? If you think you know technology, you are most certainly wrong.

    6. Re:Have they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys need to narrow the context of this discussion on innovation.

      Yes, of course, Facebook has innovated in data management. The API bit... I'd argue not-so-much. But I think what people are talking about are the "big ideas." Not figuring out interesting ways of dealing with mundane details that, without issue, really only affect the people running that business.

  18. Just Journalistic Lazy Opinion by BoRegardless · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Innovation does NOT occur just in "big pieces" in hardware and software. Arguably, the major innovations done today affecting the 'big pieces' are logistical and nano-structure components. Jounalists often see only the forest, not the trees, so they can't see what has just popped out of the soil.

    These innovations are leading to miniaturization at a fast rate, parts with new properties, electronics with new functions, multi-functions, faster performance and software that knows how to integrate functions across devices and time.

    The innovations inside the new MacBook Air don't excite a journalist as he has "seen that before", but to an innovator there is a lot to see both in hardware, ICs, battery and software. People forget that the MacBook Air is about 1/4th of the weight of the old PowerBooks of a half dozen years back and are faster and work longer hours on a charge.

    Improved software systems are easy for journalists to ignore because that requires testing and journalists are basically lazy on doing actual testing and comparisons and retrospective analysis as software systems improve.

    1. Re:Just Journalistic Lazy Opinion by davydagger · · Score: 1

      they are english major's who's comprehension of the world rivals those flipping burgers, except they have status, money and power they demand be respected.

      I say don't respect them, and call them who they are.

    2. Re:Just Journalistic Lazy Opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Completely agree but I don't think it is journalist incompetance. The article is just full of SEO buzzwords. Like peak oil, to big to fail, facebook, google, apple. The author isn't writing an article he was writting a search engine landing page hidden as an article. There is a ton of innovation in the computing field, just not really in the consumer side. Look at the Raspberry Pi and Beagle Bone. Huge innovation in the hobby field. The article is BS.

    3. Re:Just Journalistic Lazy Opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your average journalist may have more status and power than most, but they don't have money.

      They can, however, correct your grammar. *majors

    4. Re:Just Journalistic Lazy Opinion by dcollins · · Score: 1

      And I commend you for your thorough and profound commitment to the anti-English crusade.

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    5. Re:Just Journalistic Lazy Opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are english major's who's comprehension

      well i see you're not one of them

  19. Re: Deinvent cycle. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    Smart Watch? That's nothing more than what tinkerers were doing 10 years ago. Tech has just improved since then to make it less of a freakish side show idea.

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  20. This study is full of shit by Charliemopps · · Score: 0

    Just based on the title you can tell this is a bunch of crap. First, Apple hasn't invented anything new since the 80s and it's arguable if they ever did even then. Google came up with their search engine and Android, but other than that they've basically just bought up other companies that have had good ideas... wait, didn't they buy Android to? I don't care enough to look it up. And Facebook? What on earth did Facebook do?

    As was always the case, all the innovation is coming from start ups and individuals in their basements that have good ideas. Then they go on to get bought by some larger company.

    1. Re:This study is full of shit by davydagger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      google bought android, like they bought most other technologies they recently "innovated"

      like apple bought mac os, and microsoft stole it.

      the real innovators seldom get credit.

      I wonder why no one wants to go into engineering or computers in college. Anyone who can, rather do business and own the ideas the engineers and computer people make, and then laugh when they kick them to the curb when they have nothing left to give.

      GPL your code, and throw it on github, if your not business savy enough. Its that much more for the public tha parasites can't use leverage.

    2. Re:This study is full of shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't care enough to know the facts that should be the basis of the opinion you present? Well fuck you then. You obviously don't give a fuck enough to make you worth listening to. But to make it clear, you're dead wrong on so many levels regardless of how much you try to promote a hipster attitude to veil your ignorance.

    3. Re:This study is full of shit by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Shuddup and go back to programming Java, the carefully and specially-designed Internet programming language.

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    4. Re:This study is full of shit by Clsid · · Score: 1

      Stop trying to be a smartass and recognize that all of those companies not only brought innovation but they keep bringing value. Hell they are the main reason why the US leads on tech by a long shot. Even a country like China that blocks foreign companies to favor local ones had to bow down to Apple and Android.

      And in case you still don't believe Facebook is important, just ask yourself what everybody was doing before Facebook. How many people you know actually became a lot more interested in computers after seeing something like Facebook or Skype? Seeing grown-ups and even the elderly stuck to idiotic games like Farmville was beyond my comprehension but even then I had to admit that Facebook truly hit the nail in the head.

    5. Re:This study is full of shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Just based on the title you can tell this is a bunch of crap..."

      If you had bothered RTFA, which you obviously didn't, you'd know that the article's point is exactly the same as your point. So if they're full of crap, so are you.

  21. Thank God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally. Apple. The irony of today's hippie. Facebook. The autist trap even the Extraverts walked in to. Google. Altavista. Thank you, goodbye. Time to get some REST.

  22. Absolute Flawed Causation by SinisterRainbow · · Score: 1

    Has nothing to do with the size, has everything to do with one mind (or rarely two) that run the company (or who no longer runs it). And I see correlation with how old they are (related to being driven perhaps). Companies aren't a democracy, when they lose their big innovator they just become run-of-the-mill from what I can observe.

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  23. Re: Deinvent cycle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was unaware that designing your own processor and then shipping millions of devices based on it was "sucking off Intel" when Intel has exactly nothing to do with those processors or devices.

  24. "Over the last decade, just three companies &mdash by csumpi · · Score: 2

    — Google, Apple, and Facebook — have generated most of the new ideas and most of the business momentum in the world of computing."

    Stopped reading right there.

  25. Bizarro Computing World Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So yeah I'm only a top UNIX syadmin for a 100 billion dollar 150 year old company so I may be out of the loop. But Apple, Google, and Facebook are exactly no where to be found in our platforms. It's the usual suspects, IBM, HP, Microsoft, Oracle, even Redhat. Maybe little Johnny with his phone counts as the world of computing online. Yes, some people with Mac laptops bother us sometimes because they are just too cool to use company issued stuff and instead end up being the most annoying little buggers of all because nothing the company uses works on their cool machines and they actually think we are thrilled to help them every other week even though.. sorry rambling.

    1. Re:Bizarro Computing World Maybe by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      So no Big Data stuff eh? No MapReduce being used to mine your data? No ZeroConf aka Bonjour used in the printers and peripherals? No CUPS or WebKit or OpenGL in your systems? No CUDA no OpenCL? No iOS apps developed by your company to run on iPhones or Android apps to run in those phones? No iPads in your board room? No Macs running in your marketing dept? No OpenType fonts in your PCs?

      You should probably look a little more closely at the actual tech instead of the logo on the box and look at what is being used to get work done outside the data center (hint your CEO has an iPad guaranteed and your sales team is using the shit out of their smartphones).

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    2. Re:Bizarro Computing World Maybe by broward · · Score: 1

      So yeah I'm only a top UNIX syadmin for... 150 year old company so I may be out of the loop. .

      Well, if you're a charter member of the company,
      you could be out of the loop.

  26. In no small measure ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 1

    ... these companies were founded on an initial innovation, but bought, borrowed or stole most of their innovation hence.

  27. Rubbish by __aazsst3756 · · Score: 1

    The truth is we don't know. Big groundbreaking ideas are rare which is why it is amazing Apple has had 3-4 in the entire history of the company (Not every year as media for some weird reason expects), Google 2-3 maybe, and Facebook 1. These companies simply refine existing ideas over and over and make them into great products. For example Google search was groundbreaking, but gmail was taking an existing idea and cleaning it up and making it something you might want to use. Google Earth was purchased from independent developers. Until someone reinvents the phone again we will likely never see a new product that takes off like iPhones and Android again, there is simply very few things almost all of the billions if people in the world wants to own. Breakthrough innovation is really rare, but it will continue to happen. In the mean time Google and Apple will refine like crazy (sorry, just can't bring myself to put Facebook in here) and continue to make great products.

    1. Re:Rubbish by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      The truth is we don't know. Big groundbreaking ideas are rare which is why it is amazing Apple has had 3-4 in the entire history of the company (Not every year as media for some weird reason expects),

      3-4? Lets see:
      Apple II (Maybe a tie with Commodore PET and the TRS-80 for 'take home and plug in' personal computer).
      Lisa/Mac GUI (Yes, I know it was inspired by Xerox, but Xerox weren't going anywhere with it.)
      Laserwriter & DTP (Apple didn't invent the laser printer, but they put the pieces together: GUI computers with built-in networking to share the expensive printer).
      Powerbook No they didn't invent the laptop, but the first Powerbook introduced the now-standard laptop format with the set-back keyboard and central pointing device (ISTR the previous Mac Portable, although a flop, was the first with a TFT display).
      Newton he who makes no mistakes, usually makes nothing... and if nothing else, Newton was influential.
      iMac ...yup, in a world of beige boxes, people will buy an attractively designed all-in-one. Also kicked USB out of limbo.
      iPod & iTunes ...yada yada Nomad yada yada... but innovation is about successful marketing, too.
      iPhone Yah, I know, Steve built a time machine and travelled 3 years into the future to rip off Android. But even then...
      App stores ...now everybody wants one.
      iPad Just a big iPhone without the phone... except, turns out that people wanted a big iPhone without the phone. Whoda thunk it?

      Oh yeah, and somewhere along the line they actually, finally, got Unix onto the desktop, which had been going to happen next year since 1988.

      As for "what have Apple done for us recently" well, they've been pushing >200ppi displays when the rest of the world had stalled at 1080p. The MacBook Air popularised (if not introduced) the Ultrabook concept. They're pushing hard on SSDs as standard. They've just announced a workstation the size of a Watney's Party Seven, with dual high-end GPUs and only Thunderbolt for expansion. Not rocket science, but they're still pushing.

      ...but then I don't equate "innovation" with "invention". Innovation involves taking inventions and turning them into successful products that alter the industry,

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  28. Re: Deinvent cycle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next big thing is TV? Are you kidding me? Really? How about go outside and like help people?

  29. Facebook, and innovation, together? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what FB innovated in, exactly?
    Their IPO was the easiest short sell, ever!

    1. Re:Facebook, and innovation, together? Seriously? by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      "And what FB innovated in, exactly?"

      They've created an incredibly successful mechanism for gathering detailed information about millions of users. Unlike past methods of market research, FB has provided a sufficient incentive for people to willingly surrender troves of personal information.
      Remember, FB users are the "product" not the "customer".

      I'd never buy their stock, because I think they're a long term bust, but I've got to respect their talent for information gathering.

  30. Re:Glass... by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google Glass is too nerd for common people.

    I remember when the name "iPad" would provoke giggles.

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  31. Why read if the first line is a lie? by Nova+Express · · Score: 1

    Why would I even read the link if the first line of is an obvious, lazy, over-generalized lie?

    "Over the last decade, just three companies — Google, Apple, and Facebook — have generated most of the new ideas and most of the business momentum in the world of computing."

    Only a moron who's view of computing comes from the pages of Time magazine would make such a pathetic, sweeping overgeneralization ignoring the vast innovations that have been happening in the wold of computing, driven by thousands of innovative startups. Linux, cloud computing and a dozen other area have thrown up a wide variety of innovations that have nothing to do do with those three very important (well, two very important, plus Facebook) but overhyped companies.

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    1. Re:Why read if the first line is a lie? by afgam28 · · Score: 1

      The problem with the article is that the author has a shallow, consumer-oriented view of technology. To him, things like Linux and cloud computing are not innovative because they aren't consumer facing. He even says that cloud computing is just a "side bonus of the search and social-networking revolutions" - never mind that AWS grew out of a retail company, and launched before Facebook was even open to the general public.

      He still thinks Google is nothing more than a search engine, and that its last innovation was AdSense. I doubt he realizes how far they pushed the web as a platform for rich Internet applications, with things like Gmail, Maps and Chrome, and how much behind-the-scenes innovation was required to do this. And he can't see how "self-driving cars...will affect Google's operations anytime soon"? When the general public has access to self-driving cars, not only will it change Google as a company, but it will change society and the way we configure our cities.

      And Apple is just as innovative now as it ever was. If you compare this year's WWDC with say, 2006's, it's not all that different:

      2013: new Mac Pro, Mac OS X Mavericks, iOS 7
      2006: new Mac Pro (to replace the Power Mac G5), Mac OS X Leopard

      The launch of the iPhone in 2007 was an outlier, and to expect that sort of thing to come out of Apple (or any company) with any sort of regularly is silly.

  32. Article is rubbish by davydagger · · Score: 1

    It looks at innovation only from the conumer stand point on what brand he sees as the end consumer. This is why I hate the press, why I hate journalists, and why I hate anyone who studies English or whatever other language is native to them in college. Your worthless pricks with no more understanding of the world, than the average guy mowing your lawn, or serving you burgers, but your confidence and arrogance in repeating urban legends and your inability to see your own confirmation bias is disgusting.

    Your mentioing the biggest companies in tech who got there by buying innovation from start ups if the start ups were lucky, and downright stealing it if they weren't.

    Apple invented nothing. They just used their massive PR campaign to popularize technology that previously existed, they still don't make but stuck their name on, to the rich hipsters, who are to socially concious to be looking like a nerd.

    Google is probably the only one in the lot who at onetime invetened something. The remade webmail into the default mail interface, and they made the modern search engine.(first one that didn't suck).

    Facebook was never a real innovator, except winding up on top of the social network game.

    And if they're not lost in their own perception bias, their sole concern is how much money they are going to make for shareholders, at the expense of their users and sometimes developers.

    1. Re:Article is rubbish by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      You just said Google invented, then qualified it as actually really just the first that didn't suck.

      Apple did the same for MP3 players and later smartphones / PDAs and tablets.

      Innovation !== Invention

      I'm agreeing with you.

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  33. Death of the Engineer? by tanveer1979 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The period from 1950s to the 1980s was the age of invention.
    People haven gotten stupider since then. They have wisened up. Why spend hard work on invention when you can buy a patent. And these smart people have created an ecosystem which nurtures MBA, Law and other non contributing disciplines. Its the culture of "Manage" rather than do. And when everybody just goes ahead and wants a pie from the big machine, what happens, slowly but steadily, invention, innovation starts dying. Over every invention lies the sword of patent. Invent a new touch screen? Give it to XYZ for free because you are stepping on some tiny patent somewhere.
    And this will continue. Very soon the engineers will vanish, and the world will be doomed, as deserved.

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    1. Re:Death of the Engineer? by moeinvt · · Score: 2

      Companies do seem to go through a perverse transformation as they grow. I'd add "accountants" to your MBA and lawyer list. The companies start out as innovators and inventors when they're run by engineers. Once the bean counters take over, it's all about the quarterly numbers. When your time frame for decision making is 3 months, or at most a year, who cares about innovation and invention that *might* pay off years later?
      I think patents definitely drain resources because companies are involved in defensive patenting or spend time pursuing or fighting lawsuits. I believe that this pervasive short term thinking is what really strangles invention however.

    2. Re:Death of the Engineer? by jythie · · Score: 1

      A lot of research has been done into what caused the 'perfect storm' of innovation starting in the 50, and it is hard to say what exactly the roots are.

      It can, however, be argued that the rate of innovation has not really dropped off since then. There is an issue of how we perceive time. Just like we look back over the last few decades and pick out a few 'classic' movies to show how movies were 'better back then', we tend to look at innovation over a wide time frame and then look at a short horizon today and think things must have been moving faster then.

      It could also be argued the problems are simply getting harder, that there is less and less low hanging fruit to go after.

  34. Patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cannot believe that no one mentioned how patents have effectively ruined the fabric by which innovation is made possible. If you're an inventor, you will spend as much time checking patents as you do inventing. This is why more innovation has been cooped up in home basements and garages, and rarely gets further than friends and family using said invention.

  35. Innovation vs invention. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like you people are getting confused with this notion of innovation. Quick excerpt from wiki catches this accurately:
    Innovation differs from invention in that innovation refers to the use of a better and, as a result, novel idea or method, whereas invention refers more directly to the creation of the idea or method itself.

    In that sense Apple, Facebook and Google are of course innovative.

  36. It's not innovative. It was done over 50 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you incorrectly consider to be "innovations" are actually called "balloon satellites" and they've been around for over half a century now.

    Read up about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balloon_satellite

  37. Sell! Sell! Sell! Sell! Sell! by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

    Article is nothing more than an attempt to play with the stock market. It is quite obvious when you start off with a giant pile of bullshit line like:

    Over the last decade, just three companies — Google, Apple, and Facebook — have generated most of the new ideas and most of the business momentum in the world of computing.

    Right, because there are only like 5 or 6 computing companies in the world. Certainly smaller companies could never contribute anything worthwhile to society. Oops, what he really means is that smaller companies are not good for stock trading.

    And even still, the premise of "Apple and Google have run out of ideas," is ludicrous at best. (I will give him Facebook, they never had any ideas to begin with.)

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    1. Re:Sell! Sell! Sell! Sell! Sell! by jythie · · Score: 1

      Ironically, it is probably because of the stock market that Facebook is falling off the 'idea' wagon. Good investor relations and significant innovation are incompatible, so the more a company has to answer to stockholders, the less likely it is to come up with new ideas.

  38. How does Economic Gurus still get away with this.. by Youngbull · · Score: 1

    One thing is that some wallstreet wannabe wrote this, but that it pops up on Slashdot is another thing.

  39. it's a typo by froth-bite · · Score: 1

    didn't you mean peek data ?

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    1. Re:it's a typo by broward · · Score: 1

      The Big Four - Google, Apple, Amazon and the NSA.

      The market is consolidating along three (perhaps four) vertical stacks. Apple and Google are well along in understanding and pursuing this. Yahoo finally figured it out but they're running a poor third. Amazon seems to have stumbled into a configuration that's competing with Apple and Google but I don't see that they really grasp what's happening, i.e. no power centers, no mobile presence. Facebook has money and users but I'm skeptical they can grow along vertical dimensions to survive. I imagine Twitter will be absorbed by one of the Big Three (or Four) at some point.

  40. Google innovations by Horshu · · Score: 1

    Google's best innovations came in the server space, not the consumer one. They have dominated smartphones by buying a Linux variant, and their biggest contribution to 3rd party software development has been a purchased what is essentially reverse-engineered Java with some different libraries. If they had focused more on commercializing their server efforts, they could have been a major force in the enterprise, but it seems like they ceded that ground to Microsoft, much like MS has consistently ceded the consumer market to Apple by not adequately commercializing their own research projects.

  41. facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember being in a state school and facebook was an exclusive ivy league social networking tool. When I got an invite from my ivey friends, I was stoked, like I was part of a club.

    I was also on myspace, but the cachet of being "related" to someone from Harvard or MIT was more potent.

    Now that I'm older (and not necessarily wiser), it's all about what company you're working with and title - through LinkedIn.
    But seriously, I wish status didn't make me feel happy but it does. It brings me opportunities I otherwise wouldn't have. I'm so tired of this rat race.

  42. Of these I have respect only for Google by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    The others are not really innovative.

    Elon Musk has it right when he points out that Silly Valley is a great concentration of brainpower pursuing small ideas because of the ease of cashing in on them.

    Maybe their will be more innovation in the internet space. After all it's attracting a lot of talent.

    But really there are bigger problems. But because they are bigger it seems few want to take them on.

  43. Questionable statistic.... by jythie · · Score: 1

    I am not sure where the author is getting the idea that these 3 companies "have generated most of the new ideas". Business momentum I can see, they had the brands, marketing department, and resources to get things out into the public sphere... but most of the new idea? Not by a long shot.

    I do not accuse their engineers of sitting on their hands, they came up with some good stuff, but the bulk of the 'new ideas' tends to come from small companies, FOSS projects, research, and students screwing around. A lot of the ideas put out by those people are also crap, but then again a lot of the stuff coming out of the those big three are also pretty bad, even the ones that see the light of day.

    I would say if anything it is the marketing departments and executive structures that are 'running out of steam'. As a company matures it tends to get entrenched people who have been there a while and are more interested in a steady return then experimentation and, more importantly, the companies tend to hire more and more 'classical' executives from other industries who are great at investor retaliations but tend to push the company into the 'endless sequels, people like what they have seen before!' direction.

  44. What's is surprising about OS X naming? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    the most surprising thing about OS X Mavericks is that it's not named after a cat

    Why is that surprising? They were running of cat names. The choices left were Cougar or Sabretooth. And then the next release would have had the same problem. They had to change the naming scheme eventually. They switched to big wave surfing spots. After a dozen or so versions, they may have to switch again.

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  45. Go read about Pizza box wkstns whippersnapper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The complete reliance on external expansion by the new Mac Pro could be seen as, perhaps not a "game changer," but certainly as a new direction for a desktop workstation.

    Long ago in a magical time called the 90's, "pizza box" desktop workstations frolicked in engineering land. And they did beget the "SCSI rats nest" of external expansion modules. But woe the cables and duplicated power supplies were unnecessarily expensive and came unto the world the internally expandable workstation and lo the nerderatti declared that the sleekness of the "one box" was verily cooler.

    Then did the externally expandable workstation form factor creep into the shadows for a generation waiting to be reborn ... as a Cylinder!

    Lesson: know some history before you declare Apple's latest box as the first ever of anything.

  46. Company culture, not size, is what matters by Art3x · · Score: 1

    From the summary:

    it's been a long time since any of these companies introduced anything indisputably new

    Like forever.

    People who use the word innovation are either young or senile. Is there anything that is truly new? The secret to their success is not innovation but excellence. Apple, Facebook, and Google were not the first to make the products that they are famous for, not a single one. But theirs were maybe the best, or at least the favorite.

    The reporter's focus on innovation instead of excellence is my first problem with the article. My other problem is his focus on the size of a company instead of its culture. Culture is more important.

    Google, despite its size, looks like it has kept its culture of excellent execution and ideas that are --- I will say "fresh" instead of "new." They've been around before, for some reason failed to catch on, and here are being tried again, with tweaked settings or more competence or whatever so that maybe they'll work this time.

    Apple, no matter its size, would probably have tapered off after the departure of Steve Jobs. Read his biography and you'll see just how much his relentless, even maniacal, perfectionism was behind Apple's products.

    Facebook, I don't know enough about to comment. It could go either way.

  47. Be careful oh ignorant ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because each of the companies mentioned have garnered favor with the Federal Government and receive billion$ in protection from competition, tax breaks and special services. In 20 years the Internet has become nearly as fossilized (and corrupt) as the Auto, or Steel industry.

  48. Genereata!!! by stanlyb · · Score: 1

    If by "Generate" you mean "BUY", then i agree with you.
    BUT, if by "Generate" you mean "INVENT", then i disagree with you.

  49. Don't Panic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's great! They should put that on a book cover or something!

  50. The Big Three - Just Like Car Manufacturing by broward · · Score: 1

    Sometimes geeks have an abysmal grasp of history.

    http://www.carhistory4u.com/the-last-100-years/car-production

    "During the period 1896 to 1930 over 1,800 car manufacturers were believed to have existed in America"

    How many now?
    Basically three, although there's a few niche makers like Tesla.

    Mature industries consolidate into oligopolies.
    Welcome to the end of the IT Boom.

  51. Re:Glass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, and "Zune" would provoke squirts...

  52. innovation vs profitable product by globaljustin · · Score: 2

    The problem isn't a **current** lack of innovation...

    The problem is non-techies do not understand the difference between a true 'innovation' and a new product that sells alot and gets media hype.

    iPod sells alot, has good ads, and gets alot of press. iPod then becomes, in retrospect to the mind of a non-techie, an 'innovation'...and the marketer who brought it to completion...well he's the 'innovator'...

    wrong. iPod wasn't an 'innovation' and Steve Jobs was a marketer/salesman.

    however, that's not the end at all! The **click wheel** was the 'innovation' and it wasn't designed by Jobs. But ask any young kid to name an 'innovator' and they'll say Jobs, the salesman.

    Not 'knocking' Steve Jobs (getting major lables to put their music on iTunes IMHO required true innovative salesmanship)...

    The greater point is that a grand misunderstanding of why tech is awesome and the nature of 'innovation' in practice...that misunderstanding creates the context where this errant article could be developed.

    Don't look at what sells to find innovation...that's a lagging indicator...look at what busy people in high stress jobs do to get things done...it's the pressure of necessity that mother's innovation ;)

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  53. Define "a long time"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple went *YEARS* without major innovation, then had a one-two punch of iPhone and iPad. (Yes, technologically, both were just evolutionary refinements of existing ideas; but Apple pulled them off in such a way as to revolutionize both markets.)

    Google's innovation has been sporadic, with Google being a firm believer in the "throw 100 ideas at the wall and see which 5 stick, and which 1 is excellent." Eventually they'll hit again.

    Facebook? I'd put them in the same bucket as Apple - evolutionary refinement pulled off perfectly. But THEY have only done it once. It would be a surprise to see Facebook do it again.

  54. Re:Deinvent cycle. by Clsid · · Score: 1

    I think it's better to say that:

    -Google is a huge data mining operation with zero concern for user's privacy. They give free tools to developers and end-users to provide an incentive so people will give away more info. The more they can gather from you the more money they can make.
    -Facebok is another huge data mining operation with zero concern for user's privacy. They allow people to socialize better as an incentive to keep giving away your personal information. As with Google, the more they can gather from you the more money they can make..
    -Apple is an overpriced hardware company with the firm intention of creating vendor lock-in either through hardware or software. The more they can lock you in the more money they make.
    -Microsoft is a monopolistic software vendor with the firm intention of creating vendor lock-in so they can keep charging you for continual upgrades to their systems. The more they can lock you in the more money they make.

    As you see, this is the main reason why the Free Software Foundation is totally right regarding software freedom. There are zero guarantees that an undemocratic for-profit corporation, especially the big ones will play fair. The government is supposed to do that but they are too slow and not prepared to deal with such tasks. The main problem is that we have software patents and hardware is not exactly open source, where I believe vendors should be forced to document how to interface with their equipment at the very least.

  55. "One of these things is not like the others" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google, Apple, and Facebook ... generated most of the new ideas

    As they say in the Sesame Street song: "One of these things is not like the others".

    Google and Apple are truly innovative companies, squarely placed in the fast-growing mobile-device space, creating an entire ecosystem of devices, systems, and apps.

    Facebook is a vanity web-page hosting service. Their biggest "innovation" was figuring out how to manage a million lines of PHP code.

    And don't be fooled into thinking that a stratospheric market capitalization implies innovation. Facebook is causing a tremendous amount of cognitive dissonance on Wall Street -- they see all the buzz it generates, but they haven't been able to identify a concrete way in which Facebook differs from its predecessor MySpace, except that its CEO is far more inexperienced and quirky.

  56. Re: Deinvent cycle. by foniksonik · · Score: 1

    The Internet of Thing is the next big IT revolution. It needs IPv6, BigData and 3D printing to really kick off though.

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  57. Idle speculation by Torodung · · Score: 1

    This article feels a little trollish to me. Sorry.

  58. How might Google respond to your allegations? by SlashAdotter · · Score: 1

    Flying balloon WiFi, boom!

  59. Big problem for Facebook by Animats · · Score: 1

    Apple, Microsoft and Google don't need to grow to survive. They can continue to operate profitably at their present size. AAPL has a P/E ratio of 10. MSFT, 18. GOOG, 26. Those are all reasonable price/earnings ratios for successful mature companies. F (Ford Motor) is at 10, and IBM is at 13. Both are century-old companies, still doing well.

    Now look at Facebook, P/E of 514. And that's after the stock declined 37% since "the world's most hyped IPO." Facebook just doesn't generate much profits. Facebook's traffic and revenue peaked in 2012. In revenue terms, Facebook was never that big. It's in the class with Adobe, not the big boys like Microsoft, Google, and Apple. If Facebook didn't have a two-tier stock structure that gives most of the votes to Zuckerberg, he would have been fired by now.

    That's Facebook, the biggest success in "social". Everybody else is doing worse. Zynga just had a big layoff. Social looks like the first dot-com boom and crash - the players were talking about "clicks now, worry about the revenue later". Well, "later" is here.

    The fundamental problem with "social" is that the revenue model is to crank up the ad density, which annoys the users. In the last year, Facebook introduced "sponsored stories" and Twitter introduced "sponsored tweets". Myspace tried that strategy. It didn't end well.

    1. Re:Big problem for Facebook by broward · · Score: 1

      Apple and Google are rapidly owning their entire vertical infrastructure.

      Their own power centers.
      Their own data centers
      Their own hardware.
      Their own mobile.

      Facebook is missing a lot of that, although they're (apparently) trying to catch up.
      Likewise with Amazon and Microsoft.

  60. Bull$hit... by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 2

    Mind blowing, industry disruptive invention is not going to stop. It's just that it doesn't happen rapidly and never has! Apple first built iPad prototypes internally and decided to take the technology to the iPhone and release it first. So in 2007 before the iPhone was announced there was an early iPad prototype. The iPad didn't get announced until 2010! So for three more years the iPad was refined and improved, while the iPhone was also improved. Only when Apple was satisfied enough with the iPad was it released to the public. The App Store wasn't announced until 2008. The MacPro hasn't changed much since 2010, but the new cylindrical MacPro was announced via sneak peak at WWDC 2013. I would bet money it's been in design for years! A new design starts after the last one shipped. There may be a bit of a break after a stressful launch but they always go right back to the drawing board when they return. One of the reasons the 2010 MacPro wasn't updated were Xeon delays at Intel. The Xeon E5 Ivy Bridge / E3 Haswell design hasn't really started shipping till now. The E5 Xeon is the processor of choice used in workstations and smaller servers. So the new MacPro cylindrical design will have dual E5 Xeon's with up to 12 cores (6 cores each).

    Apple's pace hasn't changed, they have always been about releasing when it's ready and not before. The media forgets how long it took for these products to ship. I guess there was this long period of customer awe in between that's dissipated lately as new products are not as stunning. That doesn't mean there are not things in the R&D pipeline that will change the world! There has always been an attention to detail with Apple designs that exceed that of the rest of the industry. The secrecy is what drives articles like this. But it's also what allows Apple to compete. If they announce products early, the competition will have a "Me Too" product ready. Even though a "Me Too" doesn't come close, it will be cheaper and not as good but will still sell fairly well.

    Apple is working on changing television as we know it. I have already built a home solution that far exceeds what the industry has available. However, it's extremely geeky and not ready for general consumer use. But I can watch the TV shows and movies I want, how I want, when I want, and where I want. I have complete freedom to beam it around the house from iPhone, iPad, and multiple TV's. I have a server that manages the content like a TiVo would but much much better. It's the media delivery mechanism and the content itself that has to adapt. Apple is no doubt struggling to get the media companies to play ball. Movies studios, TV networks, Sports distribution channels, etc. They all have to radically change the way they do business. It's not about Prime Time any more. I don't consume media on a schedule any more. I rarely watch live TV. I don't see commercials. I can pause a show in the living room and resume it in the bedroom or on an iPad (No, it's not AT&T Uverse either and it's not streamed from a data center). I can even have new shows transcoded and sync'd to the iPad so when I take a long train commute, I can watch my show on an iPad offline. Apple's competitors know they are working on TV and they are trying to produce new TV's that innovate. Samsung has voice and motion controls, Sony has PS4, Microsoft XBox One, etc. They all think they know what Apple is doing but I would bet they aren't even close. Apple cannot announce their new TV solution until they can get the content providers in line. They did it first with the music industry and they did it with the book industry now it's time to do it with the TV/Movie/Video industries.

    Google is not a tech company, they are an advertising company that uses technology. Facebook is not a tech company, they are a social media advertising company that uses cheesy technology. Apple is not a technology company either but a design company that mixes technology and the liberal arts. HP, Samsung, etc., etc. these are electron

    1. Re:Bull$hit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They produce the OS...

      No they don't. They "stole" open-source BSD en-masse, made minor changes, and slapped their label on it. The sad thing is now we have the phenomenon of people like you, who have never heard of BSD and those thousands of developers go uncredited, because Apple has the profits from it.

      the hardware...

      No, they don't. This is outsourced.

      and use artistic design...

      You say this like it's a good thing. Next time you buy a car, make sure you mention that you hope most of the profits from making your car goes to the guys who came up with the paint job. We'll check back to see where your next car is made.

  61. never "groundbreaking" by stenvar · · Score: 2

    Google, Apple, and Facebook were never "groundbreaking". They were well executed implementations of largely known technologies and ideas. And much of the innovation that came out of these companies actually was acquired, when they bought up startups and academics, thereby also spreading the wealth.

    And that's not going to stop either: people are going to continue to come up with innovative ideas, form small startups, and then the Googles and Apples of this world are going to buy them and stick their name on it.

  62. How Facebook innovated by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'll tell you what Facebook innovated. (You're not going to like it, though, because we tend to think of innovation as synonymous with "progress" and progress is usually measured in terms of end user utility. And what I'm about to say is totally not that.)

    Facebook somehow had a website that was popular (that's not a part of the innovation, but it's an extremely important prerequisite) and then got a million other websites to embed references to Facebook resources into theirs, like Google did with Google Analytics. Since most browsers, by default, are happy to load any embedded resource referenced on a page, that gave Facebook an incredible number of "hits" from diverse sources.

    Most classical (i.e. naive) 1990s-thinking web people would see these "hits" as totally valueless, because they're not pageloads, they aren't showing ads that you got paid to run, or whatever. The clever people, though, saw that you use this sort of thing with a cookie and combined with referer[sic], to build marketing profiles.

    The mid-late 1990s clever people knew that too, but their references were ads themselves (e.g. doubleclick). They had to pay to get other webmasters to embed this crap. Nobody is going to embed a doubleclick image (i.e. an ad for something) unless you give them money.

    You don't get paid to embed Google Analytics javascript, though. You don't get paid to embed a Facebook "like" button. So Facebook can do all the same "spying" that doubleclick.net could do a decade earlier, but without paying for it.

    And webmasters embed these things for free, because they feel they get something out of it. With Google Analytics, you get the reports and analysis. Sure, you could get a lot of that from your own logs, but not all of it (Google knows some things about your visitors, that you might not, and this is their business, they're able to "keep up") and GA is easy and there and waiting for you. With Facebook like buttons, discussions, etc, webmasters are counting on the popularity of Facebook, to make it so that people who use their own site, will generate events on their Facebook profiles which will be seen by other Facebook users who don't use their own site, and maybe someone will curiously click through and you get a new visitor.

    You gotta give Facebook some credit for that. I get how Google turns their spying into money, but I still don't really understand how Facebook does. (Apparently Wall Street doesn't understand it either, judging from the ever-falling stock price.) But there's probably an angle, and however it can be used, Facebook has very successfully put into place at least half of it already. Getting so much of the web to embed your script or iframe (and without having to pay them for it) -- holy crap, I totally can't imagine that happening fifteen years ago.

    So it's innovation. Just not the kind users like to see happen.

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    1. Re:How Facebook innovated by hjf · · Score: 2

      Facebook's business is not spying on third party pages. These are just "brand awareness" and trying to bring people into facebook. Make them sign up.

      Facebook's business IS about you telling them about you. Who you are. What you are. Who your friends are. What you like. Where you are.

      If you manage a page, you can get into the ad manager and start an ad campaign. Use the "advanced" options and see the segmentation options: location (city-level), sex, age, marital status, interests (likes). you can even target an ad to fans of a specific page (your competition's!) or people working for a specific company. It's very granular.

    2. Re:How Facebook innovated by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

      To summarize: facebook didn't innovate anything, they just provided a popular version of something that already existed.

    3. Re:How Facebook innovated by immaterial · · Score: 1

      Facebook's business is not spying on third party pages. ... Facebook's business IS about you telling them about you. Who you are. What you are. Who your friends are. What you like. Where you are.

      And that's EXACTLY why they want to spy on you when you're on third party pages. You've contradicted yourself.

    4. Re:How Facebook innovated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and without a social networking site, that would be worthless.

      What Facebook really does is provide an easy way for young women to post pictures of themselves and young people to gossip and organize parties. Also, you need to be "friends" with these young women to see their pictures. It's a fig leaf, but it's a psychologically necessary fig leaf. Also, people like to know that others are thinking of them, because it really does help them maintain what popularity they have. So they post status updates and see other people's status updates.

      Myspace allowed users to modify the HTML directly, which doesn't work when the users have IQs below 115. Facebook is designed to allow idiots to post vapid and vaguely pornographic stuff, and it works.

      Google+ is not full of women, their pictures, and men trying to impress them. Google+ is full of software developers.

    5. Re:How Facebook innovated by hjf · · Score: 1

      No. I haven't.

      Facebook's business IS about you telling them about you.

      Emphasis in YOU TELLING THEM.
      Which is the opposite of THEY FIGURING OUT INDIRECTLY (which is what google does).

      They both do one or the other. But people willingly tell facebook their likes. Google is stuck figuring out by "context" (cause they can't get you to tell them stuff via google plus). Google can only know what you want by analyzing your footsteps. Facebook knows exactly what you like, because you explicitly told them.

      Which also brings another nitpick of mine: NEITHER of them "sell your information to advertisers". You pay them to display your ads to a specific subset of people. But neither sells a database of people and likes to companies to spam you (which is what people seem to think they do).

    6. Re:How Facebook innovated by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Emphasis in YOU TELLING THEM.
      Which is the opposite of THEY FIGURING OUT INDIRECTLY (which is what google does).

      I have never logged in to facebook from my new laptop (or from any of my old machines). Facebook cookies on my browser contradict your statement. Yes, I'll get to blocking facebook from hosts file later, but most people won't.

      But neither sells a database of people and likes to companies to spam you (which is what people seem to think they do).

      They don't sell now. But if (when) they fold up, patents and user information are the only "assets" they will have to pay up debtors/suitors, which is either Wall Street or "technology industry colleagues". With legislators in their pockets (and later in the pockets of their debtors / "competitors" which are more like colleagues), what guarantee do you have that they won't in the future?

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    7. Re:How Facebook innovated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to ad, that's why they get to charge more for advertising. You can target the audience for your campaign so well that you (theoretically, at least) get a better ROI for your marketing dollar. It's also why they don't sell user data, as idiot slashdotters repeatedly accuse them of.

    8. Re:How Facebook innovated by hjf · · Score: 1

      Facebook cookies on my browser contradict your statement.

      If you put it like this (quoting me incompletely), yes.
      But there was another sentence on the next line which you neglected to quote. It's OK, I know how slashdot discussions are. Nerds just love to show how wrong the other is.

      I'll get to blocking facebook from hosts file later, but most people won't.

      And why would you do that? There are better options: https://www.ghostery.com/download and also https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere while you're at it. And throw in Adblock for a thorough experience.

    9. Re:How Facebook innovated by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      If you put it like this (quoting me incompletely), yes. But there w. .

      And my other sentence in my post answered that.

      Well I already use ghostery and https everywhere. They don't directly address the intention of not having to do anything with Facebook so I don't see how your point is relevant.

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    10. Re:How Facebook innovated by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      facebook didn't innovate anything, they just provided a popular version of something that already existed

      In your opinion, has anyone ever innovated anything?

      Got an example? Feel free to draw from the entire sphere of endeavor, for all of human history.

      Can you guess what I'm going to do, to any example that you cite? ;-)

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    11. Re:How Facebook innovated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have never logged in to facebook from my new laptop (or from any of my old machines). Facebook cookies on my browser contradict your statement.

      No they dont, they dont tell facebook Who you are. What you are. Who your friends are. What you like. Where you are..

      They don't sell now. But if (when) they fold up, patents and user information are the only "assets" they will have to pay up debtors/suitors, which is either Wall Street or "technology industry colleagues".

      If you are worried about that then dont use their services and use privacy networks like Tor, most people are not worried about that and have no need to be.

    12. Re:How Facebook innovated by jbolden · · Score: 1

      2 excellent points. This one and the one where you make the comment about "did anyone every innovate anything". I agree with both, though this one I didn't understand until I read your analysis. Great job!

  63. No, they are not responsible for most ideas by sirwired · · Score: 1

    " just three companies — Google, Apple, and Facebook — have generated most of the new ideas and most of the business momentum in the world of computing."

    Those three companies are responsible for most of the ideas and business momentum in CONSUMER computing. Enterprise IT has been innovating at a brisk clip without contributions from those three companies, thank you very much.

    1. Re:No, they are not responsible for most ideas by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      Those three companies are responsible for most of the ideas and business momentum in CONSUMER computing. Enterprise IT has been innovating at a brisk clip without contributions from those three companies, thank you very much.

      Hear, hear! Some people talk about consumer items because that's all they see. Similar to your case, I'm an EE and I mostly work on black boxes that consumers never see. I like it that way. In the commercial/industrial world customers are concerned with how well something serves an actual practical purpose, and are much less concerned with the latest fad or useless geegaw.

  64. Facebook did hashtags this week! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously the article is wrong, since Facebook introduced hashtags only this week. The goal is to set the bar low as to what is innovation. Gnome 3, Windows 8, and the upcoming new FireFox are "innovating".

  65. Remember the pc by Yoik · · Score: 1

    In the early 1980's IBM, a dinosaur sued for monopoly, released the PC and changed the world. Sure, Apple,IMSI, and others had blazed a trail, but IBM quickly defined the market.

    Even a dinosaur can give birth to a flock of new birds. Don't give up on our big boys.

    1. Re:Remember the pc by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      In the early 1980's IBM, a dinosaur sued for monopoly, released the PC and changed the world.

      The reason that the IBM PC was so influential was that is said "IBM" on it. Before then PC's were considered toys, but people figured if the world's largest computer company introduced one, they had to be taken seriously. There was nothing innovative about the design. It was mostly pulled off an Intel ap note.

    2. Re: Remember the pc by Yoik · · Score: 1

      It wasn't the electronic design that was an innovation, but the product was nothing like its competitors. Use of 3rd party components (unusual for IBM then) allowed IBM to trade on its name and reputation to keep a solid profit margin. The flurry of competitors looked like inferior goods, and most were.

  66. So respect the one that STEALS personal data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google is not an innovator. They are the copy and clone company that so far hasn't produce anything new.

    1. Re:So respect the one that STEALS personal data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Au contraire. I read a lot of the computer science and applied math literature and it's full of good work by people from Google or funded by Google.

    2. Re:So respect the one that STEALS personal data? by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      I read a lot of the computer science and applied math literature and it's full of good work by people from Google or funded by Google.

      That's great, but it's not the same as introducing products and services that use that stuff. I don't know for sure how much of Google's work makes it into real products or services, but there have been too many companies with great research work that didn't make it into production (not because it was impractical either). IIRC Microsoft research did great stuff, but what really made it into products? GM research of yore was also often like that.

      Google or any other company is not going to have the next Bell Labs. That was an unusual situation because AT&T's corporate charter said X% of profits were supposed to be plowed back into R&D, and they didn't have to change that back when it was a national monopoly.

    3. Re:So respect the one that STEALS personal data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google as a company exists because of their success in generation of the types of things I am describing. Page rank, for example.

      The idea that they aren't introducing new services based on this work is poppycock.

  67. Google, Apple, and Facebook by Snufu · · Score: 2

    One of these things is not like the other...

  68. FB/G made privacy obsolete by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

    Facebook and Google's biggest innovation is that they made privacy unfashionable for their hundreds of millions of users. Oh sure, there are still privacy advocates but more and more they sound like those weird basement geeks with too much time and not enough money in their hands. Now when we hear about government surveillance we simply shrug, thinking that it can't be that bad because even Google is doing it. And we know that Google can't possibly be evil.

  69. external expansion to usability is not new by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    It's even older than that. Sinclair ZX-80. Out of the box, basically neutered - 1k. Expansion port + devices (like RAM) and suddenly you could do stuff. And you know what people often did with it? Took it out of the stock case and moved it into one where they could add more stuff.

    Apple's new Mac Pro... the very best idea I've heard of so far is a case that the new Mac Pro would load right into, in which the drive bays and video conversion connectors to standard video tech would be placed. Bingo... you get the horsepower of the machine, the clean design of a proper all in one system, the physical and vibrational security of enclosed drives, single power supply, perhaps even a PCI chassis. And best of all? You don't have a stupid trashcan on your desk.

    Of course, if they price that trashcan where I expect them to, that's the end of that.

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  70. new mac pro lol by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Not only that, but the new Mac Pro is probably the most original desktop computer design since.. desktop computers were invented.

    Look, I *own* a Mac Pro. It's a great machine. The new one... it's neither innovative or great.

    A machine that requires external expansion? Not new since Sinclair ZX-80 (or probably earlier.) A high power design that uses a vertical cooling tower? Audio's been doing this forever; all kinds of actually innovative cooling designs can be found in the history of audio power amplifiers. Tunnels, polygons, forced air, liquid, even semiconductor. Odd physical configuration? Tons of 'em out there. Raspberry pi. Mini ITX. or this. The new Mac Pro has a new CPU in it, as does virtually every iteration of these machines; it has a flash boot drive, like a lot of computers; and you're gonna have to spend a lot more money to make a worthwhile computer out of it... like a ZX-80. It's also likely to be very, very expensive. You know what that spells? "Not Buying"

    But hey. You can always by a Mac Mini or an iMac. Those, at least, are working multicore computers out of the box. Or, I hasten to add, the current generation Mac Pro, which is a great machine.

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  71. Got it backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meh.

    Xerox wasn't a startup when it created PARC, and PARC couldn't have been created by a startup. It takes money and time to truly innovate, and startups tend not to have too much of either.

    Apple has already re-invented itself at least once. Whether or not they can innovate anything else depends not on some sort of bogus historical model, but on whether or not they can get people the time and resources to devise something new, and recognize it as such.

    Let's assume that the next big thing is big-data based AI. Will a tiny startup be able to come up with this innovation? Of course not... they don't have the data or the processing resources to mind it if they did. Remember, small businesses are living hand-to-mouth.

    Innovation doesn't always come from little guys by way of natural selection. It also comes from the big shops thinking for the long term, from the military in times of war, and from the pornography houses.

  72. Re:Glass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember when the name "iPad" would provoke giggles.

    Still sounds like a sanitary product to me.

  73. I don't think his comparison of companies is good by Currawong · · Score: 1

    Facebook never really innovated anything except Facebook. Google innovated search and better email, but has switched trying to compete with Facebook. Apple has always innovated, even if it meant sacrificing successful products (eg: The famous killing off of the iPod Mini at the peak of its success.). I think he is wrong that Steve Jobs was Apple's chief innovator. Steve simply focussed doggedly on whatever ideas he had until he could make them reality, and fairly never compromised. Now if Apple can keep that focus... He is right about innovation though overall. The announcement of iTunes Radio and car integration seems to be more about the spread and normalisation of existing technology. Everyone is focussed on maps and getting people to interact with where they are right now. The technology has to become over-saturated and stagnant and open the way for someone to innovate at the right place and time.

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    What is the point of the internet?
  74. Meerkat by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

    the most surprising thing about OS X Mavericks is that it's not named after a cat

    Yea, it's named after a Meerkat...how original.

  75. (Amazon if you're feeling generous?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon's done far more innovating than Facebook. Consider the breadth of AWS and how this powers at fairly large chunk of the 'big Internet' from services like Netflix to Reddit... It is the envy of everyone from telcos to enterprise vendors to hosting companies to Microsoft -and it isn't even their principle business! - it's pretty amazing.

    Also the idea that Google is tapped out is kind of ludicrous. What with Glass, self driving cars, and Speech/AI stuff I think they still show a ton of promise for the future.

    Apple shows the least promise of future innovation, but this is already conventional wisdom on Wall Street and on the savvier parts of Main Street.

  76. just remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the automobile didn't come along until cities were deep in horseshit

  77. Most companies only get one innovation. by west · · Score: 1

    Statistically, you're looking at it all wrong. Lots of companies innovate, including the big ones. But any given innovation only has a 1 in 10,000 chance of succeeding.

    If you get it right, then you've a decent shot at hitting the big leagues like Apple, Google, MS and FB.

    But assuming because they managed a successful innovation once means they've got a greater chance of finding a second one is ludicrous. It's like expecting a lottery winner has a better chance of winning a second prize.

    Of course, having said that, there are some companies that *have* managed multiple successful innovations, but they're *exceedingly* rare.

    (I'd give Apple the Apple II, the Mac, the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad. I'd give MS MS-DOS, Windows and Office. At this point, Google and FB are still one trick ponies. But they're magnificent tricks. Criticizing such companies is like criticizing someone for only holding one world record.)

  78. The future is distributed manufacturing by guinea+pig+C · · Score: 1

    Social apps have seen their peak and the next cycle of growth will come from what we currently term 3D printing. Perhaps the most indepth review of this is Kevin Carson's 'The Homebrew Industrial Revolution.' Combined with the sustainability and maker movements, the changes in global fabrication will make the likes of Facebook and Apple seem about as historically pertinent as Betamax and pet rocks.

  79. Self-aggrandizing much? by AdamWill · · Score: 1

    "Well, at the risk of making myself into a pariah around Silicon Valley, I have a prediction to make"

    Sigh. I hate people who write that kind of silly crap. If you're so worried about your image in some kind of idiotic Silicon Valley nerd club, your opinion is likely to be entirely irrelevant.