Well, they said in the article that Intel was the only platform that ran them all. And, of course, NetWare _only_ runs on Intel platforms. But, NT and Linux can both benefit greatly from the Alpha platform, and anyone who's seriously running Solaris is running it on SPARC. Which, of course, further invalidates the test, because the goal of the benchmark tests were supposedly to wring out all possible speed, but 3 of the 4 OSes were running on sub-optimal platforms (speedwise, anyway).
But for high volume dynamically generated content, for example, or commerce, or databases, NT is more mature and benefits from being developed by engineers rather than hackers. DEC, from whence Cutler came, are very serious about this.
Well, this is the biggest load of crap I've read today (I read the ZDNet article last week). By this logic, we should all be running VMS!
It's obvious from the way these guys messed around with their Linux and NetWare setups that they didn't know anything about either.
1) Linux: Well, they used Red Hat 5.2 w/Linux 2.2. Of course, RH5.2 doesn't _come_ with Linux 2.2, so they compiled their own kernel. The possibility they messed up something there is very high. Apache is at a severe disadvantage compared to the other HTTP servers not only because of the lack of multithreading support (which I still wonder _how much slower_ that makes Apache) but also the lack of a reverse cache. Maybe that's Apache's fault, but it is easy to remedy, esp. since Red Hat includes a SQUID RPM.
I especially find it interesting that elsewhere on ZDNet you can find not only the old-news test of NT vs 3 Linux-distros+Apache+Samba (in which Linux/Samba/Apache trounce NT), but also a newer article in which (Caldera, I think) Linux+Apache again do the same to NT. (I can't find the URL right now--I think is was in Smart Reseller?). Just goes to show benchmark results depend as much on the benchmarker as on the benchmarkee.
2) NetWare: First, these people start off dissing Client 32 (Whose name now, BTW, is simply Novell Client). Am I the only person who realizes that *Microsoft Client* means *Client for Microsoft stuff*? Besides, if Microsoft had implemented NetWare Core Protocol properly in Win9x, Novell wouldn't have *had* to write their own client software. In fact, Novell Client (or Client 32, or whatever) more or less *fixes* things wrong with Win9x networking so things run more smoothly. NC also has an adjustable file cache and can even restore network connections after a server has been rebooted (MS half does this). Novell Client is also a benchmarker's dream since virtually every option can be tuned. NC also enables Novell Directory Services to manage PCs; in fact, it is the _best_ way to manage NT workstations (they sort of glossed over that). What did they focus on? Experimental oplock support. A feature that is not only useless in a shared environment but, more importantly, is a bad test of network throughput since the file is only touched when you open and close it.
And, going back to their opening paragraph, they remark that by porting NDS to other platforms, Novell is "leaving little to drive new...deployments" of NetWare. That's one of the good things about NDS, and is one of the few things driving Novell's return to profitability. You'd think they'd be happy NetWare uses NDS to work in heterogenous environments, especially with their overall conclusion of that no one NOS stands out in every field.
Of course, they did realize the NetWare file-and-print services are still single-processor tasks, even with NetWare's new MPK (multiprocessing kernel), which is a real failure on Novell's part, IMHO.
sounds a lot closer to reality now. Let's see, small, portable, optionally battery-powered, devices that connect you to a worldwide network. You interact with this device by wearing a headset and using various navigation keys on the device. Some have flip-up displays. Hmmm...cyberspace deck from Neuromanucer et al. or Apple's next PowerBook?
DB2 for Linux is still in beta; why would someone deploy a mission critical database on beta software? Besides, the guy w/the question had already decided they wanted Oracle...the question was, which is better, Oracle on Solaris or Oracle on Linux?
that the inside of the Palm V looks like Al's handlink for Quantum Leap? Especially with the area on the upper left looking like an indentation in the silicon...
Does anybody (Rob? obviously you know something) know where CNN's backend is? Is there info on their web site somewhere? (If there is, I can't find it.) I was going to try to put a CNN newsfeed on my company intranet--but I can't find any info.
Despite what NSI told Kenneth Stephen above, it is now 2:53 PM EST and doing a whois on microsoft.com, news.com, and yahoo.com still yield errors (errors IMHO look like case sensitivity errors; Microsoft.com, microsoft.com, yahoo.com, and Yahoo.com show up separately). Freaking out since I registered 2 new names for my employer 2 days ago, I quickly checked out all the domains _I_ control and they're all fine (for now). Is this going to be fixed by tomorrow? I, like others have mentioned here, have had problems modifying records lately; I eventually gave up and faxed my modifications to them (and had to do that twice). What's going on over there? I've always been more than willing to cut NSI slack 'cause things have basically been working (which is better than not working, which is bad (TM)). But the past 3-6 months it just seems like NSI does one stupid thing after another. Isn't ICANN supposed to be doing something about this, especially after their big pow-wow in Singapore?
The Star Wars trailer was indeed the the first one, and that combined w/the opening sequence and first few minutes of the actual movie were the only thing worth seeing...at least I only paid $4.25 to get in.
because whether it's running on Windows, Mac, or (God forbid) my toaster, it's big, it's bloated, it's slow, and it overwhelms you with unnecessary JUNK we all you want to do is print your stupid resume or make a simple chart from a series of numbers. I _hate_ it in all its forms.
Dunno about Compaq, but one of IBM's goals in their "big Linux Announcement" was to make Linux available on the RS/6000, which *is* PowerPC-based. And BTW, I tend to agree, the Alpha and PowerPC processors have been relatively ignored for way too long.
Novell, Caldera, and that other recent Linux-newsmaker Willows Software are all heavily invested in (or outright owned) by the Canopy Group, which is owned by the Noorda Family Trust, which is of course Ray Noorda's holding company of sorts.
And yeah, Novell owns a small stake in SCO. Big enough the make them buy that whole UnixWare-load-of-junk, but not big enough to make them actually do anything useful with it. Of course, the fact that Microsoft's stake in SCO is bigger than Novell's wouldn't have had anything to do with that...
Hmm...VMS is about as UNIX as Windows NT is (they both have a POSIX subsystem). MVS is a *nix? That's news. Of course, it's name this week is OS/390, but that's OK, who cares about things like facts? Obviously not this guy, who thinks AIX and Solaris are "rapidly plunging into obscurity" and Linux is "built on top of the same kernel" as other *nixes.
BackOffice Magazine is the biggest bunch of Microsoft bootlickers since Windows Magazine. These people probably don't realize that the phrase "In God We Trust" on U.S. coins *doesn't* refer to Bill Gates. After the first issue showed up in our office (uninvited I might add), I decided to give it a shot. Man, was I wrong. One of the articles even referred to "heterogenous networks" containing "Windows 3.1x, 95, and Windows NT 3.5 and 4.0." And this was _long_ after Microsoft changed their tone about such things (when dealing with media, anyway).
Now, BackOffice Magazine has a special filing place at my office--the trash can.
UPN is the United Paramount Network, a United Artists/Paramount joint-attempt at a broadcast TV network. About it's only claim to fame besides "Star Trek: Voyager" is the brand-new "Love Boat: The Next Wave." *Oh-boy!* (note sarcasm) It and the WB (run by Warner Bros., of course) tend to fight for 5th & 6th place among the 4 major broadcast networks.;) If you have either of these, they'll probably be really high on your UHF dial (assuming you don't have cable).
That said, I don't know why everyone is expecting the show to be bad; I thought the commercials were hilarious, despite the fact UPN was advertising the show *before Christmas*.
No they don't. Domino for AS/400 doesn't have a corresponding Notes for AS/400. And I believe with R5, Notes is a Win32-only application (no *nix clients at all).
until I realized my hair is long, I have a goatee, and I cause the proxy cache at work to fill with Linux-related sites. In fact, I have often driven slashdot.org to the top of the most-requested site list. Hmm...I need some boots.
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Well, they said in the article that Intel was the only platform that ran them all. And, of course, NetWare _only_ runs on Intel platforms. But, NT and Linux can both benefit greatly from the Alpha platform, and anyone who's seriously running Solaris is running it on SPARC. Which, of course, further invalidates the test, because the goal of the benchmark tests were supposedly to wring out all possible speed, but 3 of the 4 OSes were running on sub-optimal platforms (speedwise, anyway).
But for high volume dynamically generated content, for example, or commerce, or databases, NT is more mature and benefits from being developed by engineers rather than hackers. DEC, from whence Cutler came, are very serious about this.
Well, this is the biggest load of crap I've read today (I read the ZDNet article last week). By this logic, we should all be running VMS!
It's obvious from the way these guys messed around with their Linux and NetWare setups that they didn't know anything about either.
1) Linux:
Well, they used Red Hat 5.2 w/Linux 2.2. Of course, RH5.2 doesn't _come_ with Linux 2.2, so they compiled their own kernel. The possibility they messed up something there is very high. Apache is at a severe disadvantage compared to the other HTTP servers not only because of the lack of multithreading support (which I still wonder _how much slower_ that makes Apache) but also the lack of a reverse cache. Maybe that's Apache's fault, but it is easy to remedy, esp. since Red Hat includes a SQUID RPM.
I especially find it interesting that elsewhere on ZDNet you can find not only the old-news test of NT vs 3 Linux-distros+Apache+Samba (in which Linux/Samba/Apache trounce NT), but also a newer article in which (Caldera, I think) Linux+Apache again do the same to NT. (I can't find the URL right now--I think is was in Smart Reseller?). Just goes to show benchmark results depend as much on the benchmarker as on the benchmarkee.
2) NetWare:
First, these people start off dissing Client 32 (Whose name now, BTW, is simply Novell Client). Am I the only person who realizes that *Microsoft Client* means *Client for Microsoft stuff*? Besides, if Microsoft had implemented NetWare Core Protocol properly in Win9x, Novell wouldn't have *had* to write their own client software. In fact, Novell Client (or Client 32, or whatever) more or less *fixes* things wrong with Win9x networking so things run more smoothly. NC also has an adjustable file cache and can even restore network connections after a server has been rebooted (MS half does this). Novell Client is also a benchmarker's dream since virtually every option can be tuned. NC also enables Novell Directory Services to manage PCs; in fact, it is the _best_ way to manage NT workstations (they sort of glossed over that). What did they focus on? Experimental oplock support. A feature that is not only useless in a shared environment but, more importantly, is a bad test of network throughput since the file is only touched when you open and close it.
And, going back to their opening paragraph, they remark that by porting NDS to other platforms, Novell is "leaving little to drive new...deployments" of NetWare. That's one of the good things about NDS, and is one of the few things driving Novell's return to profitability. You'd think they'd be happy NetWare uses NDS to work in heterogenous environments, especially with their overall conclusion of that no one NOS stands out in every field.
Of course, they did realize the NetWare file-and-print services are still single-processor tasks, even with NetWare's new MPK (multiprocessing kernel), which is a real failure on Novell's part, IMHO.
sounds a lot closer to reality now. Let's see, small, portable, optionally battery-powered, devices that connect you to a worldwide network. You interact with this device by wearing a headset and using various navigation keys on the device. Some have flip-up displays. Hmmm...cyberspace deck from Neuromanucer et al. or Apple's next PowerBook?
DB2 for Linux is still in beta; why would someone deploy a mission critical database on beta software? Besides, the guy w/the question had already decided they wanted Oracle...the question was, which is better, Oracle on Solaris or Oracle on Linux?
I was beginning to think I was the last one in the free world that still had a 5000! ZD-Net called them antiques the other day...
that the inside of the Palm V looks like Al's handlink for Quantum Leap? Especially with the area on the upper left looking like an indentation in the silicon...
Gee, Rob, you're like, my hero! Your CGI-fu is second to none!
OK, I do have a request, though: I'd _really_ like to see the code for the CNN box...
Does anybody (Rob? obviously you know something) know where CNN's backend is? Is there info on their web site somewhere? (If there is, I can't find it.) I was going to try to put a CNN newsfeed on my company intranet--but I can't find any info.
Despite what NSI told Kenneth Stephen above, it is now 2:53 PM EST and doing a whois on microsoft.com, news.com, and yahoo.com still yield errors (errors IMHO look like case sensitivity errors; Microsoft.com, microsoft.com, yahoo.com, and Yahoo.com show up separately). Freaking out since I registered 2 new names for my employer 2 days ago, I quickly checked out all the domains _I_ control and they're all fine (for now). Is this going to be fixed by tomorrow? I, like others have mentioned here, have had problems modifying records lately; I eventually gave up and faxed my modifications to them (and had to do that twice). What's going on over there? I've always been more than willing to cut NSI slack 'cause things have basically been working (which is better than not working, which is bad (TM)). But the past 3-6 months it just seems like NSI does one stupid thing after another. Isn't ICANN supposed to be doing something about this, especially after their big pow-wow in Singapore?
The Star Wars trailer was indeed the the first one, and that combined w/the opening sequence and first few minutes of the actual movie were the only thing worth seeing...at least I only paid $4.25 to get in.
because whether it's running on Windows, Mac, or (God forbid) my toaster, it's big, it's bloated, it's slow, and it overwhelms you with unnecessary JUNK we all you want to do is print your stupid resume or make a simple chart from a series of numbers. I _hate_ it in all its forms.
Where's that?
Dunno about Compaq, but one of IBM's goals in their "big Linux Announcement" was to make Linux available on the RS/6000, which *is* PowerPC-based. And BTW, I tend to agree, the Alpha and PowerPC processors have been relatively ignored for way too long.
Novell, Caldera, and that other recent Linux-newsmaker Willows Software are all heavily invested in (or outright owned) by the Canopy Group, which is owned by the Noorda Family Trust, which is of course Ray Noorda's holding company of sorts.
And yeah, Novell owns a small stake in SCO. Big enough the make them buy that whole UnixWare-load-of-junk, but not big enough to make them actually do anything useful with it. Of course, the fact that Microsoft's stake in SCO is bigger than Novell's wouldn't have had anything to do with that...
Aacck!
Hmm...VMS is about as UNIX as Windows NT is (they both have a POSIX subsystem). MVS is a *nix? That's news. Of course, it's name this week is OS/390, but that's OK, who cares about things like facts? Obviously not this guy, who thinks AIX and Solaris are "rapidly plunging into obscurity" and Linux is "built on top of the same kernel" as other *nixes.
Way to lick that M$ boot, Jack!
BackOffice Magazine is the biggest bunch of Microsoft bootlickers since Windows Magazine. These people probably don't realize that the phrase "In God We Trust" on U.S. coins *doesn't* refer to Bill Gates. After the first issue showed up in our office (uninvited I might add), I decided to give it a shot. Man, was I wrong. One of the articles even referred to "heterogenous networks" containing "Windows 3.1x, 95, and Windows NT 3.5 and 4.0." And this was _long_ after Microsoft changed their tone about such things (when dealing with media, anyway).
Now, BackOffice Magazine has a special filing place at my office--the trash can.
UPN is the United Paramount Network, a United Artists/Paramount joint-attempt at a broadcast TV network. About it's only claim to fame besides "Star Trek: Voyager" is the brand-new "Love Boat: The Next Wave." *Oh-boy!* (note sarcasm) It and the WB (run by Warner Bros., of course) tend to fight for 5th & 6th place among the 4 major broadcast networks. ;) If you have either of these, they'll probably be really high on your UHF dial (assuming you don't have cable).
That said, I don't know why everyone is expecting the show to be bad; I thought the commercials were hilarious, despite the fact UPN was advertising the show *before Christmas*.
Actually, Domino R5 has native support for LDAP and SMTP, in addition to HTTP, NNTP, Java, and JavaScript.
No they don't. Domino for AS/400 doesn't have a corresponding Notes for AS/400. And I believe with R5, Notes is a Win32-only application (no *nix clients at all).
until I realized my hair is long, I have a goatee, and I cause the proxy cache at work to fill with Linux-related sites. In fact, I have often driven slashdot.org to the top of the most-requested site list. Hmm...I need some boots.