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Review:Wing Commander
Chris Roberts created a really innovative video game way back when. It was fun, entertaining, and had great graphics and a plot that was mildly entertaining. Sure, I only had 1 meg of RAM and a 286 at the time, so I didn't get to see the superfluous animation in the cockpit. And I didn't have a sound card, so I missed out on the voice samples that really made the game fly. But it was a fun game, and I played through it. Sometimes with cheats, and sometimes without. But without fail, the first thing I would do is kill my wingman.
The reason was simple: they were annoying. They had little messages that would bother you. And they would occasionally kill Kilrathi. A Kilrathi that Paladin or Angel or Maniac killed was one less that I could kill. Killing my wingman made my flight more fun, less interupted, and gave me a higher score.
You can't kill your wingman in the movie. But you'll want to. All of them. Christopher Blair, Maniac, Angel. You'll want all of them dead. But only some of them die. The cheesy acting is easily on par with the traditionally terrible sci-fi fare. The writing is bad. The jokes are bad. Many of the FX are amazing, but I spent most of my time staring in slackjawed amazement at the terrible acting and not marvelling at the really excellent asteroids, and the better-than-average space ships.
The kilrathi are poorly handled. Shot usually in green (very reminiscent of the viewscreen from the games) surrounded in fog. They don't look good. They look like big rubber suits. I mean, in the game, Hobbes was a badass. That's a Kilrathi. Not these cheesy looking big dudes in crappy suits. The subtitles are cleverly handled (they are shown in their native symbolic language, which is overwritten in English. I actually kinda dug that).
Whats wrong with the flick? It feals like MTV. The now-standard intense credits (which were probably the most interesting part of the movie) are quite raw. The charachters are really extreme- especially Maniac (who really is well done. You'll him with a passion. Probably the only believable charachter in the movie, although not after he falls and love and goes from somewhat believable jerk to completely fake guy-in-love). But so many scenes are designed raise our sympathy for charachters, but the acting is so flat that I just wanted to smack everyone.
Hmmm... so great visuals, bad acting. Its pretty much like all sci fi I guess. Not as campy as Lost in Space. LIS knew it was camp. Wing Commander thinks its cool. It just isn't. I'm glad I saw the prequel trailer.
And Chris: I loved your games. Make more. Maybe a Linux Port? I never got to play WC4. Make another movie too, but lose the pretense of being "cool". Just create a fun and interesting universe. Thats what made your games work. Porn Stars and Mark Hamil were just icing on the cake.
Proofread your articles! You left out key words from a couple sentences.
"Superfluous animation?"
Um.
Wasn't the animation the core of the game? I trust you mean fluid....or super-fluid....or something....
It was good that you saw it with 6 guys? How does that help...
Saw Wing Commander last night, mostly because of the trailer #2 rumors, and I'd have to agree. We made fun of two guys who left right after the trailer, but after watching the movie, I wonder if they really made the better choice.
:)
Jagged_Edge (from work and forgot my password)
OK, some of the effects were cool, but every time the fighters would fire, it sounded like they were shooting machine guns.
-funroll-loops -pedantic
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No, not WC. Not Mortal Kombat(s) (all of which have cool soundtracks). No, the best cinematic translation of a video game is Super Mario Brothers.
Yeah, it flopped at the theater because smart people thought it was for stupid people and stupid people didn't get it. But with Dennis Hopper and and John Leguizamo to back up a decently humorous storyline that had little to nothing to do with the actual games, it was really an entertaining comedy.
Is it just me or did the Confed fighters look too much like the Japanese planes from World War II???
On par with Starship Troopers? I doubt it.
Starship Troopers was so bad it was a piece of art. Future generations should put it on a pedestal and gawk.
The only thing better than seeing Starship Troopers is seeing Starship Troopers on a college campus with 900 students. Now that's entertainment!
star control 2 was the greatest game of all time
ok chix
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I liked insurrection. So could you be wrong about this movie too? BTW, while you're getting fancy with /. - I want to change my Nick, but can't. Why not let me keep the same user number but change the nick?
Make it so, Rob
I believe he's referring to the supercool little hand that moved the ship's joystick with your actions. Completely missing from the game unless you had expanded memory.
(And other little stuff.)
This only refers to the original Wing Commander game. All the ones after that really didn't care about systems that weren't top of the line.
--ryan.
OK, so I'm gay - too bad. The guys were hot, and the story line was great. Who cares that the action wasn't as intense as Starship Troopers, the graphics were simply amazing. Guess that's getting to be the par nowdays though.
i saw it at like 10 am so it got in for only 4$
it was worth that. after all ive rented REALLY bad movies for the same amount. but oh well. i defienlly think that the trailer was better than the movie. which is just sad. i thought wingcommander 3 was a decent movie/game. then they make this shit? what happened to charetor DEVELOPMENT. in this short time, blair goes from uknown to us to this last of his race superpilet. it isnt a slow transition, it jsut kinda happens. i dont know. maybe if they gave a little more explanations, and made it longer. the endign was HORRIBLE. i mean did the war end there? did it go on? WHAT POEPLE? what they should have done is just focused on one squadren and not tried to have them cuase the tide of war to turn so drasticly. i mean they should have taken a little bit of of the lives of poeple on the fron line. and maybe introduced history of the war in slowly through breifings, secret plots, idonno. maybe that would have made the movie too long. and why didnt they get mark hammel back? he kicked ass in the games.
oh well. it had entire too many golden parachutes in it to be decent. i can forgive bad acting but not a bad script
Was not as good as Starship Troopers, (which was far from a classic) However with todays options -
I would rather watch a bad sci-fi/space flick than any of the other boring crap that was available.....
DeskJock
I think that King's Quest V was the first commercial VGA game. Can someone confirm this?
Just because they use a stupid green glow to illuminate their ship you think that should be bathed it Megawatt Halogens. Let aliens be aliens.
Besides that, you have to keep it dark in movies like this so you don't see the RUBBER SUITS - DUH!!
you know it, foo!
In todays Mitchel and Ebert(Mitchel being Siskel's replacement, real cool guy, has spot on NPR) gave it two thumbs down, way down.
Thank you, that was hilarious !
I'd like to know how the special effect is accomplished when there is a freeze frame, and the camera pans around the frozen scene, and then action resumes. Is it some kind of setup with several cameras filming from different perspectives and then using some kind of editing tool splicing all that together? or what?
damn straight, civ was good as hell. It's fun to save before every battle, so that a bunch of pillagers can beat the crap out of a whole army by using their amazing powers of SDL (sheer dumb luck).
I think that duckpins is amazing for its budget. Is that pretty much what WC is like?
At least reviews of movies with "Geek appeal" like WC supposedly had. I really appreciate knowing which movies to avoid. The review tells part of the story, the comments tell the rest.
search the slashdot archives... this effect was discussed about a month ago.
Dark, no real lighting, occaisional colored glow. And those were _human_ ships.
Actually, I have a theory. The reason that the aliens have darker ships is because they're more energy-use concious than humans. However, to avoid bumping into things, they have special holographic lighting systems, and all of the ships surfaces are covered in special holographic materials. The lighting systems track eye positions and only send out light at angles so that the rays will bounce directly to the ship occupants eyes. So, from the aliens point of view, they're actually walking around in a pleasantly lit spacecraft.
It's either that, or, like the other guy said, it's so you can't see the rubber suits. I like my theory better though.
Complete crap. But the SW trailer was FANTASTIC...
No joke, --
This is fun :)
You are absolutely incorrect.
Who was he in the movie?
Save your pennies gents - Wing Commander is .0001% better than Space Truckers and that's only because it doesn't feature Debie Mazar in a lead role. Rob nailed it on his take of the Kilrathi - you can almost just *see* the SFX guys shopping at Spencer's for the kitty suits. Chris Roberts directs a movie? Hell, judging this film I don't think Roberts could direct traffic.
Oh, and did you know C3PO is really named Cepo? He's just l33t - sheesh, jokes on me.
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Difluoruoethane
Sorry. I am in a humorous mood.
Ned Divine was very good. As Good as It Gets was fair. The Truman Show was good (but much too short). Want to go see Life Is Beautiful.
Other than that it has been a long dry spell. Unf. with the studios marketing everything toward teenagers I'm afraid that things will only get worse. That's why PBS was invented.
Yeah, Starship Troopers was hilarous, a volontary caricature of sci-fi/war films as well as teen-movies (especially the beginning in school). I can't imagine how some people were stupid enough to take the film seriously. I guess some people don't have that much sense of humor...
They had a budget of liek 14 million dollars. Wing Commander 4 the game had like a 11 million dollar budget.
Well there was the mandatory combined bonanza syndrome/goose scene(s). Cliche :)
It would have been a much better movie.
That was probably the best movie I have ever seen... Except for those damned trailers at the beginning. Star Wars is old. Let it go Lucas!
Imagine the kick-ass beowulf cluster you could make with this movie!
He was the Broadsword pilot who picked up Blair and said "Welcome to Sol Sector, sir".
I think it was intentional, to have a World War II look. The Rapiers were actually cannabilized British Aerospace Lightnings.
I thought that sort of thing went out with Battlestar Galactica. You know....(from the right) BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! KABOOM! (from the left) BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! KABOOM!
Sheez Louweeze!
I noticed that too.. and let me add that your response was *perfect*
"super-fluid or something" hehahahah
how about melifluous?
I don't agree - There have been some really good movies lately - If you haven't seen them, try these: (in no real order)
-Something About Mary
-Life is Beautiful
-Affliction
-Slingblade
-The Truman Show
-Rushmore
-Austin Powers
-The Ice Storm
-Everyone says I love you
-Saving Private Ryan
-Shakespeare in Love
Add more if you can think of any
He's taking writing lessons from Katz.
I had straight A's at midterm when one of my buddies loaned me Privateer. Finished the quarter with a 2.6. Now that's a good game.
First, I just want to say that I haven't seen the movie, so my comments may not apply to it at all.
Anyhow, warfare in space has been a subject of science fiction for ages. Of course, most movie conceptions of space battles aren't very scientifically sound.
For example, the jet fighters that human beings use in our planets atmosphere already have limitations imposed on them by their human pilots. Some planes can perform maneuvers that black out their pilots. It's likely that space fighters would be able to generate much greater G-forces than modern jets. If so, how could human pilots ever fly them? Strong enough G-forces can kill a pilot. For instance, how heavy do you think your heart needs to get before it rips loose from some important veins or arteries? Now, some things could be reinforced through surgery, but you won't be able to replace the pilots brain. If you can replace the pilots brain with a computer or something, why bother? Just replace the whole pilot. Small, maneuverable ships will have uses, but actual dogfighting in space doesn't really make much sense.
Energy weapons and computer targetting are another big problem. One thing about Star Trek, as an example, that's always bothered me is the way that they have good enough computer targetting to teleport someone out of another ship, but they don't seem to use that computer targetting for their weapons. We already have technology that can track a bullet through the air, so why won't there be technology that can track a spaceship and hit it on every shot at close range, since energy weapons fire at the speed of light.
Also, without force sheilds (do they exist in the Wing Commander universe?) there's no good reason why one shot won't finish you off. Just like in submarine warfare. A torpedo will cream a sub even if it only explodes nearby. Of course, a lot of that has to do with the water pressure and the pressure wave that makes sections of the sub collapse one by one, so it might not apply to spaceships. It's still pretty likely that it won't take many shots of most futuristic weapons to cripple or destroy a spaceship made of any real material.
So, that's why real space battles might be like submarine battles. The actual exchange of fire would probably be very brief. In a lot of cases, both ships would probably be destroyed anyway, since the destructive capacity of weapons is so much greater than the defensive capabilities of the ships (consider the way a ten ton tank can be totally destroyed by a weapon somone can carry strapped to their back).
Actually, the best defense I can think of in an actual space battle is the limitation imposed by the speed of light. You could have two ships firing at each other at distances light seconds apart. They'd have to fight with energy weapons, and there would be a definite benefit in using small vessels that could jink around quickly in random patterns. So, if the ships were say, three light seconds apart, each ship would be firing six seconds behind the last known position of the other ship, since it would take three seconds for the weapons fire to get there. That would make good search algorithms and random number generators militarily very important. The winner of a battle would be influenced by things like firing rate and maneuverability, but would otherwise be pretty random.
Anyway, whatever the technical challenges of a space battle, if we have them, they probably won't look much like the movie versions, as exciting as they are. Hopefully, of course, we'll have gotten past the need to have space battles.
sorry to burst your bubble but what you heard is wrong.
WC4 had the best plot and was possibly the best wing commander game ever made along with wc2. Mark hammill is a bad actor anyways, what the best part about the game was the incredible storyline, even better than most sci-fi movies.
WC4 has "instant classic" written all over it, i wish someone would translate it into a flick, thats what i call true Sci-fi.
I thought they were cannibalized MiG-21 fighters?
Who cares what YOU think! You're just a chomp running a site. Anyone can do that. Keep /. a NEWS page and take some freakin lessons on objectivity ya momo.
AC
Go to www.starwars.com
it's a 25 meg download...... Good quality too...
No surrond or THX but good enough
copy it out of your cache if you want to keep the file....
DOH!
Ok... here goes. Nitpicking time.
First of all, ALL the fighters, and I repeat, ALL of them were rapiers. All the games had a wide variety of fighters, but these were all rapiers.
And don't forget the fact that rapiers weren't introduced as NEW until halfway through the first game. This movie takes place BEFORE the first game, so they shouldn't be in use yet, at least as nothing more than a prototype.
Maniac was out of character for most of the movie. In the games he was crazy, but wasn't usually very slick. He made no friends, and generally came across as annoying. Sure, he was reckless, but he also got into trouble on more than one occassion. The LAST thing you would call him was one of the "good" pilots.
The Tiger's Claw in the movie had absolutely ZERO resemblance to the Tiger's claw in the first game. If they were going to go to the trouble to represent actual ships and people, they should have had a closer resemblance.
I don't really know where the whole Pilgrim subplot came from, but it certainly was never part of the internal storyline of the games.. Perhaps it was briefly mentioned in the documentation, I never read it.
I agree, there was NO plot development with the kilrathi. They never had more than 2 minutes of actual screen time, and that's pretty sad considering they're the mortal enemy. They need more character development at least as a race, if not as individuals. There's the emporer, the prince, and at least 12 others mentioned BY NAME in the game, but none in the movie.
I did like the inclusion of the character Ian Hunter. An entire book was devoted to that character, and he played important parts in much of the plot of the first Wing commander game, although that wasn't necessarily obvious while you were playing the game.
-Restil
Okay, I have to know--which one?
Newspapers adopted the facade of "objectivity" (read: noncontroversy) at the beginning of this century, in order to create a secure environment for advertisers. On the web, there's just not enough advertising dollars to go around - unless you're outrageous and controversial. New equation.
KQ5 was SIERRA's first VGA game, but definitly not the first commercial VGA game. In fact, Sierra was well behind the rest of the market for using VGA graphics, and for a couple years afterwards they had dual releases with different EGA/VGA versions.
I remember meanstreets and crimewave. They had VGA and they didn't even support soundcards yet.
-Restil
Yeah, I wonder how many morons bought the VivoActive player for the "save movie" feature, when they had it free all along!
Cache rules.
It's fairly obvious that WC would suck. Another Sci-fi blockbuster from hollywood. Big deal. However, everything Chow Yun-Fat touches is gold. Marky-mark didn't even detract that much from the movie.
Not sure what Bill Gates has in his house, but he could have something along the same lines as what I'm thinking, but much less advanced. The basics are that the system tracks people, and directs lighting so that they see things clearly, whereas someone who wasn't being tracked by the system would only have ambient light to work with. Mostly though, I was just making up silly stuff to explain away a dumb movie convention. You should hear my explanation for why the aliens in "Independance Day" wasted all the energy to bring their ships down to hover over cities when they could have destroyed them from orbit
Yup, I'd have to agree, StarCon2 was great. :)
Especially when we modified it and everything was twice as fast and had rediculous amounts of weaponry...made mele' kinda fun
Kveldulv
You figured it out pretty well by yourself. This is something someone is getting a patent on, mind you. Well, ok, I think the patent is just for the specific design of his camera, so that's ok, but the technique shouldn't be patentable, grumble, mumble.
Well anyway, yes, the effect can be done by having a ring or line, or whatever arrangement you want of cameras that all take a photo at the exact same moment. Then you just turn each photo into a frame, and there you have it. There are some other effects you can acheive with this, like incredibly fast camera motion. You could film something from head on with a regular movie camera, and then set off a partial ring of cameras in rapid succession, until you reached a point where another camera is filming. Then you could have the camera jump ninety degrees to the side, lightning fast, without stopping the action. You could produce composite effects where people walk through a frozen scene around people who aren't conspicuously breathing or swaying.
The "other" way to do this is still essentially the same thing, you take several shots from different angles at the same time. The difference is that you take fewer shots than you're going to have frames and do sophisticated in-betweening on a computer. I'm really not exactly sure how it's done, but the big advantage of this technique is that you could have effects like full 360 degree rotation around a subject without getting the camera in any of the frames. It also has the advantage of requiring way less time to develop and process all that film.
You're right, Privateer is one of the all-time great games. I especially like the fact that you can replay it with different "allignments", depending on who you kill. The last time I played, the pirates were my buddies, and I've sometimes been able to talk the cats out of attacking me. When you do so, they give you some really great insults too.
Privateer 1 (2 sucked)
WC3 and WC4 were also really good.
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Number 1, be nice. Number 2, I sincerely doubt he didn't know you can see the trailer for free, seeing as how it was posted to slashdot days ago. Number 3, there is nothing, I repeat, nothing like seeing the trailer full size with THX sound. Number 4, don't yell. Only AOLers yell, and I certainly don't want to be mixed in with that lot.
Yep.. damn kewl movie!
Nothing better than watching freakin' germans die.. mwahahah. Die you nazi bastards.
Privateer 2 was a real dog, certainly a disappointment considering that Privateer 1 was one of the best games ever made.
But I don't think Chris Roberts had anything to do with it. P2 was made in England (obviously), and I don't think it was ever intended to even be called Privateer 2, since it had nothing to do with the original.
So I take it you go to every single movie that is release so you can make up your own mind? That must be pretty tiring...
about Starship Troopers if it had been an original story. However, since the movie was based on a rather good book by Robert Heinlein, and he's dead, you'd think they'd have a little more respect than to say, "hey, let's make a joke movie out of a science fiction classic".
Personally, I've never understood how such bad movies seem to get made from good books. The only answer I can think of is arrogance. These people come along, take something that has been acclaimed as great by many, and assume they can rewrite it and keep it just as good. Nooooo, I don't think so mister director.
It's pretty much a phenomenon now. Bad movies are made out of old material. Usually, the only way directors know to deal with this old material is parody. Sure, it worked for the Brady Bunch movie, but it didn't work for the Batman movies. I used to have a lot of problems with the first Batman movie, not the least of which was that Batman was killing people off left and right, but after seeing the rest, I've thanked my lucky stars that it wasn't as bad as they were. I mean, what is with these directors who can't get it through there heads that none of us think they should be basing exciting action movies on the old Batman TV show!? Sure, the Batman movies made a lot of money, but they would have made money no matter what, they _could_ have made money and still been decent movies. As for Lost in Space, I actually liked it, except for the parts that had the artificially injected camp. Sure, the original was campy, they couldn't help it. When you have a multi-million dollar budget, you can avoid camp.
Sigh, death to Hollywood and all it stands for, I guess. Hey, if you want to see some movie parodies done by some people with a pretty good idea of the true sanity of the typical hollywood director, try http://www.brutesquad.com/MOS/movies.html . This site features such films as Shindlers List II, Titanic: Horror of the Deep, Space Ghost the movie, and My Three Sons (starring Will Smith, Michael Jackson, and Snoop Doggy Dogg) among others.
For a grammar-flame to have a grammatical mistake somewhere in it -- I think you meant "here are a few examples." I didn't want to point it out but knew if I didn't someone else would...
Think of the kewl Beowulf cluster you could make out of spell-flames!
I don't know if Star Ship troopers is really a parody of anything. I mean, at first I thought they were parodying those All Sport commercials ("Hey, is that they new 500 pound ball?"), but I've come to realize that they were deadly serious. As for the fascism stuff, I think they were trying to represent their vision of Heinlein's political views or something. Bearing in mind that this movie was made by people who have obviously never _read_ the book...
By the way, about All Sport, what's the deal with this sometheing "percent more carbs than Gatorade" stuff? I thought the point of Those drinks was that they helped to replenish your electrolytes. What do carbohydrates (what I assume they mean by "carbs") have to do with anything? Is this really going to give you valuable energy during a sporting event? I would have thought the processing required to get energy from these carbohydrates would be more trouble than it's worth. I mean, wouldn't you get cramps from all the blood flowing to your digestive system? Eat a candy bar, for crying out loud! Ahem, anyway, I'm off to the local baseball diamond to play with the base ejector.
I walked out of it laughing....
The capitan from Das Boot was in it... Man, that guy's creepy, he doesn't age!
Access Software, not Access Entertainment. And recently acquired by Microsoft, for what its worth.
Well of course everyone was british. Rule number one of sci-fi: In the future, Only a select few will be American. The rest: British.
Better get to the top of the gene pool now, fellow slashdotians. Who knows how much time is left!
A few comments on your comments.
"It's likely thatspace fighters would be able to generate much greater G-forces than modern jets. If so, how could human pilots ever fly them?"
I think the key word here is "would". Just because they can, doesn't mean they will. Obviously they aren't going to design ships that would kill their pilots. That just makes for lawsuits.
"ne thing about Star Trek, as an example, that's always bothered me is the way that they have good enough computer targetting to teleport someone out
of another ship, but they don't seem to use that computer targetting for their weapons."
But they do use the targetting system for precisely that. How may times has Captain said "Target their wepaons systems" or "target their propulsion system" or "target the first officers bathroom."
"Just like in submarine warfare. A torpedo will cream a sub even if it only explodes nearby. Of course, a lot of that has to do with the water pressure and the pressure wave that makes sections
of the sub collapse one by one, so it might not apply to spaceships."
It definately doesn't apply to spaceships. After all, space is a vacuum. No air = no compression damage due to bombs exploding near by.
"It's still pretty likely that it won't take many
shots of most futuristic weapons to cripple or destroy a spaceship made of any real material."
I think you're oversimplying. Modern fighters are more than capable of taking fire from enemy planes. It's true, a direct hit from a missle will take out just about anything that flies, but look at the A-10. It can fly home with one wing and an engine running at half power. If they can build them that well now, why can't they build them better in the future?
I didn't see anyone mention WC5 and the newest free-by-download wing commander. If you'll remember the enemies:
WC1,2,3: Kilrathi
WC4: Confed
WC5: Bugs
WC6: some other human
Yes, myself and a friend both saw major facism parody in Starship Troopers. But, the acting and plot still sucked.
I have to agree! Star Control 2 is the greatest game of all time. The music was excellent (did any other mainstream game use MODs?), the graphics were great for the time, and the humor is the best. It's a real shame Star Control 3 sucked. I'm sure they were thinking, "Hey, the last one was an adventure/action game and was cool." Let's throw in strategy too. Thus the bases, which sucked. And it wasn't made by the same guys anyway. I miss Star Control 2. They need to make Star Control 2 II for Linux.
Yet again, you take an opportunity to trash "Insurrection."
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;^) Now, if someone did a movie based on Descent:Freespace, I'm there. ;^)
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I doubt you took our advice to see it after finals...
I thought that that movie was the closest TNG would ever get to TOS. TOS was so damn campy, and so was Insurrection. I laughed my ass off!
BTW, I loved the first Wing Commander...but I couldn't see going to see the movie just to see the Episode One preview. Okay, maybe.
PS: I love the fact that people are comparing scenarios in the movie with their experiences with the game.
Yeah, like there is a market for BeOS (oh wait there is, a bunch of WIMPy fools).
If a game character can go for big bucks on eBay, just think of what people will pay for the geek cred that goes with such a stellar slashdot account.
I had a free pass (thanks to some other movie dying halfway through a while ago), so I thought "hmm, let's go see the trailer, and I'll also get to look at some people screw up Wing Commander."
I could review the movie, but hell, I think everyone knows how bad it was already. I think the kicker came when I saw everyone keeping silent hoping the Fralthi wouldn't hear them- in a vacuum. Sigh.
Of course, I wound up spending 10 bucks on the subway ride, popcorn, and drinks. So if I assume the trailer was worth 8.50 (the price of a regular movie), that leaves me paying a buck and a half for the privilege of wasting two hours of my life. You know, I'd rather be at home playing WC1 and reliving some memories.
It was bad. Real bad. Terrible. It made me laugh, and it made me cry.
There was no reason to hate the bad guys. The characters had no clue, and even if they did the actors playing them didn't. Anything that wasn't CG looked like spraypainted plywood sets they stole from a bad knockoff of Das Boot and Space Above and Beyond. Every single SciFi cliche in existence got into this movie, which would have been excusable if it were an intentional comedy.
But my laughter was not with it... but most definitely at it. And my tears were from laughing so damn hard.
And guess what? It still isn't worse than Lawnmower Man 2: Jobe's War.
YEAHHAHHHHHHH!!!!!!1111
Geez...
They're freakin' mangled A-10's!
Just think about it...
#3 - Kull the Conquerer
:}
#2 - Mortal Kombat: Annihalation
#1 - Batman & Robin
Theres still plenty of space on that list to
squeeze in this recent batch of film abuse.
Me and a friend found out about a pre-release
showing of "Contact" (way back when), and got
in. Found out it was a double-feature. Then
we found out, the second movie, after Contact,
was BATMAN & ROBIN. I was scared. I didn't
really know what to do. But I survived, for
the most part. B&R is the most wretched piece
of shit ever THOUGHT of. If Wing Commander is
this bad -- hell, I'll catch it on video for it's
MST3k-value alone. =D
Leave the poor guy alone. Wea llf ucku p sometimes. :)
Hell, I find plenty of typo's and errors in 'professional'
printed magazines all the time.
Who cares what HE thinks? Who cares what YOU think!
You're just a faceless anonymous coward. Get the
fuck off my penis, you jizz basket.
"copy it out of your cache" ? What the hell for? Just click the "download zip" button and choose where you want it saved... geez!
The game I spend the most time on ever..
(and that was on the C64 - the newer versions
didn't really do it for me).
You're right.. I mean the prequel trailer
.....
has CG in almost every shot.. Can't be good
then.
(sarcasm aside - usually what you say is right..)
Also to avoid :
Movies whose trailers start with :
From the director of
or in general have more than 1-2 references
to other movies that the director and/or
actors did.
Totally agree.. Troopers rocked.
No acting, no plot.. Tonnes of cool CG
and way cool lines.
I want a sequel.
Just wait for the damned movie to come out. At this rate they'll release the entire movie in 5 minute trailers and idiots will piece them together and be selling the movie a month before it comes out in theaters. Just wait god damnit.
You're right. Star wars has no plot either. Last time I saw it (perhaps 10 years ago) I was utterly confused by it. Star Wars just made no sense at all. I mean, where did this huge empire come from that is threatening the galaxy? It's like you're just dropped into the middle of a story and are supposed to swallow your disbelief and just believe that this huge empire just appeared out of nowhere and starts threatening people. WTF is with that? I wish they would have done a better job of explaining the origins of the empire and the rebels and shit like that.. but that's typical Lucas. He's a shitty director.
I loved those ships, the random reincarnations, the speed, the side shooting guns. No other ship could take out the Sa-Matra as well as that one.
i was able to dl the trailer the first night it was online and i thought it was cool.... so cool in fact it inspired me to plunk down the $ for wing commander to see the trailer in full size, awesome sound. it was worth it too, i enjoyed the trailer in the theater very much.
A few things. About the G-forces thing. I realize that they wouldn't design piloted spacecraft that could kill the pilots. The trouble is, that's a design limitation on the ship. Being able to take tight corners at high speed is a clear advantage. An advantage you don't have with human pilots, even if you have the technology.
As for computer targetting in Star Trek, you're right that they do use computer targetting. My problem is that the computer targetting sometimes misses. That seems very improbable to me.
By "pressure wave" I wasn't actually referring to the shockwave travelling through the water. I was referring to the phenomenon that occurs when a submarines hull is ruptured. When the section just inside the rupture collapses, the twisting of the metal rips open the next section, which crumples, ripping open the next section, and this effect travels through the sub like a wave, making a relatively small gash in the side of the sub potentially deadly. Now, you don't get the same thing in space, although you might get something similar as air escapes through a rupture. Of course, the relative difference between normal air pressure and a vacuum isn't the same as the pressure difference between the inside of a sub and the deep ocean. Still, there is the problem of the oxygen rich air and vaporized metal resulting in a rather large secondary explosion, which could rip open the next ship section and cascade, kind of like the sub. By the way, there will still be a significant shockwave from weapons exploding nearby, even without water as a medium. Whatever is left of the bomb casing and explosive charge will take care of that.
True enough, modern fighters can take fire from enemy planes. But, if the enemy planes had perfect targetting, it would probably only take one shot. Evasive maneuvers are pretty ineffective against a computerized targetting system if the fighter is limited in how fast it can accelerate because the pilot will be killed by high acceleration. Weapons are probably going to get a lot more powerful. There are already hand held weapons that can destroy tanks, and it's going to be tough to make futuristic starfighters much tougher than todays tanks. There are limits to how strong materials can be.
I mean, couldn't they have just used a different name for the movie? If they had named the movie and the main character differently, no-one would have reletad that movie to Heinlein's book at all.
Movie reviews are opinion pieces by definition. Movie reviews have also long been part of newspapers, so why shouldn't they be part of a news website?
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Yeah, they could have called it "Space: Above and Beyond; The Movie".
That would have made more sense.
But it did have everything that a proper B
sci fi movie needs, Bombs, Babes and Breasts.
Anyway, whatever the technical challenges of a space battle, if we have them, they probably won't look much like the movie versions, as exciting as they are. Hopefully, of course, we'll have gotten past the need to have space battles.
I totally agree on this point, for a good reason. There is a lot of space. Let's say your race has developed faster than light travel, making reaching other stars feasable. Let's say there are a billion stars that you can now effectively reach. Let's say that you want to go to those other stars to get resources and expand your population base,
ie, colonize.
Then at some point you run into another race doing the same thing. They've beaten you to a particular star system. What do you do? Fight? Hell no, there are millions more star systems with the resources just like that one, all you have to do is go look.
With the energy you spent hauling weapons around and fighting with some other race, you could have gone and colonize the systems that the other race hasn't gotten to yet, or go in a completely different direction, and find even more. When the resources are essentially limitless, there is really no reason to fight.
Now, it would be different if the galaxy were densely packed with hostile races, but I find that pretty unlikely. There are probably hundreds of millions or more star systems than there are aliens that could potentially be a threat.
Then again, flying around and colonizing planets one after another would make for a pretty boring movie.
The duo formed Crystal Dynamics. They've made Gex the Gecko and Legacy of Kain, among other things. I never played Gex, but Kain was pretty cool. It was a hybrid like SC2. They seem to be concentrating mostly on Playstation stuff, unfortunately. And even more unfortunately, they don't have rights to Star Control.
Heck! my first Slashdot posting, doesn't time fly...
:)
Quoth the big Taco:
> And Chris: I loved your games. Make more. Maybe
> a Linux Port? I never got to play WC4. Make
> another movie too, but lose the pretense of
> being "cool". Just create a fun and interesting > universe. Thats what made your games work. Porn
> Stars and Mark Hamil were just icing on the
> cake.
Classic stuff, love it. Though personally I always
went for the redhead, got stuck with the porn star
because I'd read the script and knew Robin was going to snuff it come the final battle, Ah well.
I was given WC3&4 for the Playstation as my leaving gift when I left the UK, My PS is buggered
so I've never actually played them on it (boo hoo)
Though I doubt they'll be able to match the frenetic action of Colony Wars, which was definately one of the coolest games I've played in a long while, and I'm long past playing games these days...
I remember when WC3 came out and the magazines had two reviews, one for a DX2 66, one for a Pentium.
I was playing it in tandem with my mate, who's parents were nice enough to buy him a new P166 with all the extras, It flew! Shit it was fast, and I always kept my wingman, because they got my ass out of the fire on more than one occasion.
I played WC4 and didn't think much of it, it just didn't have the edge of 3 somehow, I didn't feel connected to them anymore...
Having said that I've just got the latest beta of Xmame from freshmeat, and I'm reliving the glory days of Battle Zone, Star Wars & Asteroids. On an
Ultra 10 (Solaris 7) it compiles without a hitch,
(though the sound is a little screwy) and plays like a dream. I guess I'm just getting old
There were 220 replies when I posted this, so I doubt it'll get read. But if you must, mail me here:
jb@eso.org
later
jb
I played both Elite I and the followup Frontier on the Amiga. Somehow Elite 1 was better.
Only other game I spent that much time on was Ultima IV
Carsten (Had an account once, but forgot both the name and the password right away)
Was Highlander II made in the '90's? If so it deserves a place on that list.
SOMEBODY PORT SC2 TO LINUX!!!
***NOW!!!***
While "Highlander 2" wasn't nearly as good as the
:))
first one, the THIRD one was horrible, and from every
angle we tried to look at it from, seemed to not have
anything to do with the continuity.
But, despite these bad flicks, those three I listed
DWARF their badness. I could watch HL2 again, and
MAYBE watch HL3, but, other than to laugh at, I couldn't
ever watch those other three again. (Theres a LOT
of movies that could go on the list. It's very exclusive though.
Man, that would be a great project. Make a SC2 type game for Linux with a networked multiplayer
melee mode. YEAAHH!!! Shit, I'd pay $75 for that.
Yeah right, Chris Roberts is published by Microsoft, I'm sure he just can't wait to port to Linux. Blah.
superfluous = Excessive (adj)
We all now know you need to go back to school.
Blow him off Rob, only a fool would correct someone without making sure they themselves are not wrong.
3333 Bytes in body, that's neat.
Its not WC 6, and the enemy is not human. Its Wing Commander Secret Ops, its free for download, and they are still fighting the bugs. And fighting a damn lot of them too, I might add.
My God
I'd watch MK:A again just to see Musetta Vander as Sindel again. What a babe.
Give it up, we allready heard about insurection.
Besides star trek has allways had 2 kinda of moveies. Conseptual movies like I,IV, and insurection. and the big action movies like first contact, atleast with first contact they did have the cool creation of the warp engine. The point is that not everyone enjoys the conseptual movies they are not for everyone. (the joystick was bad but we can forgive star trek)
huh?
I absolutely guarantee you, they're made from nose sections of ex-Royal Saudi Air Force Lightning F.Mk.53s - see http://www.totavia.com/lightning/survivors.html for some pictures of them before they became WC stars.
"Blow him off Rob, only a fool would correct someone without making sure they themselves are not wrong."
This is a run-on sentence. You should have used a semicolon instead of a comma. Also, it should be "he himself is", not "they themselves are", since "a fool" is singular. If your sentence is meant as subtle irony, I say "bravo!"
"superfluous = Excessive (adj)"
"We all now know you need to go back to school."
Pot? Kettle?
heheeh. This shit is always entertaining.
Don't send your kids to Hope College.
I'm sorry, but isn't Rob doing Slashdot as a full-time job now? Doesn't that make him a professional journalist of some sort? He is, at least, ostensibly a college-educated man. Typos are one thing, but the never-ending Slashdot stream of "charachter" and "definatly" and "I wish I was" is really irritating.
Bye, I gotta go pull a stick out of my ass. (Hmm, "out of" sounds like use of a redundant preposition... "remove a stick from my ass"?)
"mellifluous"
Nope, SC2 was only ever released for MS-DOS
and the 3D0 console. That said, whatever the
hell hardware and OS you're running these days
you should be able to emulate it, if perhaps
with the sound disabled. I've played it
happily enough on an ancient 80286 Compaq
luggable. (From before they turned crap)
: Privateer 1 (2 sucked)
It really did, didn't it? Is there a little
club somewhere for people who realise this?
Fabulous GFX engine, shame they forgot to
stick a game in under it.
Also:
Space Rogue
Fallout (And Sequel)
Archon
Galaga
Nomad
Dungeon Master (And CSB)
UFO/X-Com (Not sequels)
Chaos
And of course, the great Ancestor,
and direct blood-line relative of
Star Control, Space War.
Hmm.. Have you seen the elusive RiscOS version?
That was Elite II in a way that Braben's solo
efforts will never come close to, and acts as
evidence that it is possible to better the
original Elite on its own turf, if very,
very difficult. Other works in progress
that look to have a good chance at this
are Terminus and Explorer 2260. (Amiga PPC)
Hey, BBC B games - we nearly forgot Exile!
... But the following were worse than WC, without doubt (in no particular order):
o Star Trek V
o Jerky Boys
o Starship Troopers
o Highlander >= 2
I'd have to give WC about a 0.8 on the Starship Troopers stink-o-meter, a slightly lower score than Jerky Boys and STV..
And yeah, for all the Scots in the flick, the _one_ friggin guy who's _supposed_ to be a Scot is a friggin FROG! 50 fucking demerits right there pally!
Can you see it in digital surround on a widescreen from your PC?
Shut up, shitnut..
(and yes, _I_ could actually play it on digital widescreen in my living room if it were available in that format [DTS 16x9 anamorphic], but that's because I'm not a complete twit like yourself, peckerhead)
LHX attack chopper
Elite Plus (making the spectacular original even better)
Check out _Fear of a Black Hat_.. Shit is funny!
http://starcontrol.gamestats.com
or
EFNET #STARCONTROL
3D renders, remakes of the game, its crazy!!!
http://starcontrol.gamestats.com
http://starcontrol.gamestats.com
http://starcontrol.gamestats.com
http://starcontrol.gamestats.com
http://starcontrol.gamestats.com
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But then, that's not saying much...
I remember this one game where you were, like, a frog. And the frog wanted to cross some highway. And there wasn't, like, a froggy-pedestrian bridge. So the froggy had to dodge the cars and get across. Only then he got to a stream, and he was like some war-vet frog and couldn't swim, and could only cross the stream on logs or turtle backs, or on the back of Rosie O'Donnel. I can't remember the name of it. I think it was called "Dragon's Lair" or something.
Yeah,
I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading one of Chris Roberts interviews a while back, and he admitted to snitching the idea from the Known Space series.
Hey, I did see the Trailer for free. I just happen to be lucky enough to get in to movies free, that's all (nice roommate). Trust me, if you think that you are "seeing" the trailer on your PC screen, let me tell you what you are not doing: HEARING it!
Damn, when the hovertanks come over the hill in the first shot, well, it takes a THX theater with SDDS and the bass channel cranked to really get it. I have no idea why you thought you were being clever suggesting the obvious, but I'm guessing that, like myself, Rob rejected your "solution" and did what any red-blooded SciFi freak would do, went to see a theatrical trailer in a (call me crazy) theater. Oh, and for the record, I went for the trailer and stayed for Wing Commander. I should have left early...
On a side note, don't shout. This has already been said, but it bears repeating. The CAPS key is above the left shift key. Make sure it isn't active before you post again, hmm? You are making our kind look bad.
GK
-Anonymous Coward until Slashdot sends me a login!
What I don't understand is, if the effect is produced by cameras surrounding the subject in a ring, why don't you see the cameras on the other side of the ring?
The name of that game was Frogger, and that is REALLY old....
Wing Commander 1 and 2 will always hold a special place with me, because I was fortunate enough to have an external MT-32 synthesizer when WC1 came out... It was also my first commercial game purchase. It was absolutely incredible. By the time WC2 came around, I also had a sound blaster card capable of doing the speech.
It's a damn pity the MT-32 is not General Midi compliant and now sits in my closet gathering dust....
starslab@yahoo.nospam.com
This technique has already been taken and exploited to hell and back by the ad agencies -- started with that horrid Khakis Swing (which they don't) ad, some SUV ad with Judge Rheinhold lookin all smug (which I sure wouldn't be after how his career's turned out), et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's become almost as tired as a fisheye lens effect in videos, which is a shame because the effect itself is really really cool indeed (especially if there's a stream of water or something in the shot.)
Sigh. Thanks, mass media. Take something I like and royally screw it up.
I also agree whole heartedly... my old 486-33/8mb barely ran Privateer and Righteous Fire, but I beat both the game and its addon (RF). VERY FUN! I still play privateer on occasion on my current PPro-200 under OS/2 Warp.... BTW, anyone played Privateer II much???
-Warpedcow
aplaque@isl.net
It wasn't really bad, but It wasn't really good either
Not only that, but your spelling and grammar SUCK.
Feel is spelt FEEL, not FEAL.
Fucking moron.
dont you watch cinemax?
ribbit ribbit
i used to work for atari, we had linux
in 1982 and the CIA traded it to finland for
some nuclear bases near the soviet border.
I bet he thought Titanic was a religious experience.
I bet he thought Titanic was a religious experience.
Tell me about it. These guys dis everything that is sci-fi.
I bett hey like Dawson's Creek better. *choke*
I think Loom was a damn nice game, innovative magic system too. Too bad it never had a sequel. I also LOVED the first two Monkey Island games, don't care much for the newest one.
And how can we leave out Zork? The original trilogy were some of the best games I ever played, along with Moonmist, Enchanter, Sorcerer, and Spellbreaker. Gawd I love those Infocom games.
Here Here,
Even thought it wasn't a good film you definately have a point there. Nothing else on the market interests me at the moment. Actually was bored so I went to see the movie, missed the trailer.. Sigh
Waiting for Matrix...
Hard? Just remind me what was the hard part, exactly? The missions were pretty easy, actually.
It took me exactly two days to fly through them
all and try both endings, re-starting where the plot splits in two (when you defect into the rebel side) and seeing all cinematics for both endings.
The hardest part for me was the one where there's actually no flying at all, the ending argument at the high council, where you make the admiral admit he's doing all of this crappy shit.
And for the acting... Well, if the people who act on these games could act any better, they would be appearing in hollywood instead on a computer game.
Usually you'd be correct, but this is the STAR WARS trailer! A movie that people have been waiting for fifteen years! Nothing less than these snippets of awesome footage should be expected.
A movie should not have to describe a hundred or more years of background to get started. Were it to explain where the empire came from (as it starts in the MIDDLE of a story with a smaller one) it would be a documentary, not a movie.
You haven't read much sci-fi, have you?
Next time you read about a book set in the states, add to the beginning the origin of the US and its history in 20-50 words at the beginning. Good luck.
I thought it was quite good as well, certainly a lot better than
the reviews would have had me believe.
YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS IT SUCKED SO MUCH I WANTED TO COMPLAIN TO THE THEATER TO GIVE MY MONEY BACK BUT DIDNT SHOULDVE THOUGH IT SUCKED, IT SUCKED OK BOTTOM, THE WORST MOVIE I SAW IN SEVERAL YEARS
I think you are all stupid
Ok, I remember reading a big thread about this special effect SOMEWHERE. (Ask Slashdot?) Basically, you put a whole bunch of cameras in a line/circle, and they all take a picture at the same time. You use computers or other editing effects to make it seem like it's just one camera moving around.
Make sense?
Ah, but do you have such a desireable number as I? Drool before my 10!
Rob. I love slashdot, I read it everyday. But, I am getting more and more embarrassed by your poor spelling and grammar. Here is a few examples:
cesspool, not "cespool"
feels, not "feals"
"You'll him with a passion."...what is this supposed to mean?
characters, not "charachters"
I am not trying to say that you suck or that slashdot sucks, just that when you are being read by thousands of people, you need to make sure that your writing doesn't look like you are in 6th grade, with a D in English.
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They're a hell of a lot faster at drawing, too. And a large number of text processing tasks. And image processing. And a lot of other things. Of course, you can call all this maths, because computers are mathematical machines. OTOH, it may be possible to make a mathematical model of the brain, too.
My hat's off to you then! Star Control 2 had one of the BEST soundtracks at that point in Video Game history.
:)
Now please tell me that you were the one who did the UrQuan score and NOT the one that did the Spathi score!
Amen! I wonder how many other folks noticed this.
You're right though. The one critical piece of that film is that it WAS a propaganda piece. I mean, it gave me that same "get-a-load-of-this" feeling I always get when I see copies of Reefer Madness...another propaganda film if there ever was one.
The last Wing Commander game was a better movie than the Wing Commander movie was. It had a better plot, better action sequences, and better actors. (I mean, Malcolm MacDowell, consummate bad-guy, as Admiral Tolwyn, consummate bad-guy, instead of... er... some old guy. And Mark Hamill, retired Jedi starfighter pilot, as Colonel Blair, retired Confed starfighter pilot, instead of... er... some young guy.)
To start with, they should have cut about half of the sub-plots, starting with all the "Pilgrims" BS. All the extraneous sub-plots left them too short on time to develop the main plot, which led to the main plot being very jerky and forced, with a lot of explaining why they're doing things rather than just showing it, because the time they should've spent showing they spent having Commander whatshisname reading his lines about how Pilgrims are bad.
Which brings us to the second point... the acting. If you can call it that. The secondary characters (the Pilgrim-hating exec leading the list) were truly awful, the main characters merely cliched. The only bright spots were Maniac (and I never thought I'd say anything positive about Maniac), who played a truly believable asshole for most of the movie, and Angel's very first scene, where she came up to Blair and started firing questions at him. Her role went downhill after that, but for a moment I recognized the Angel from the game - always the technical flier, always studying the specs and the odds.
And then there was Blair's response, which brings us to the real problem with the movie. Blair was in it. The problem with that wasn't even the actor playing Blair, though he wasn't terribly good. The problem was that the part was there. Having Angel, Paladin, Maniac - all the old faces - in the movie is one thing. But Blair is something else, because he wasn't just another of the old familiar faces from the game. To all us Wing Commander veterans, Blair is us. We sat in his starfighter cockpit, we wore his uniform, we answered to his name. I'm sure I wasn't the only one in the audience who measured the Blair in the movie up against my own performance in that role, and found him wanting.
Angel shoots a couple of questions at him, he comes back with a couple of lines of macho BS. Meanwhile, my mental filing system is popping out the correct answers, which I learned the hard way in the cockpit of a Hornet. You got two Dralthi on your six? Punch the afterburners, buy yourself some range, then turn and bring them into your firing cone. Head on at them, dodging fire, until they break, then pick one and dog his tail until he goes up. After that, his buddy's easy meat.
His answer to the other question happened to be correct, of course (So there are six Kilrathi lying in ambush... who cares? Put me in a Rapier (or anything but a Scimitar, actually) and I'm not scared of six Kilrathi anything. I've flown missions where I've killed five times that many, solo, because my wingman ran screaming for home halfway through the first encounter.), but he didn't deliver it as a guy who knew that he was capable of taking six Kilrathi. He delivered it as an inexperienced macho twit trying to impress a lady... and the Angel from the game wouldn't have been impressed.
It might have been possible to do the Blair role right, but it would have taken a damn good actor, and some damn good flying, and it still would've left a lot of old Wing Commander hands unhappy with it because they didn't recognize themselves in it.
Speaking of flying... where the hell was it? Wing Commander was a game about the epic space battle between the Terrans and the Kilrathi (and I'm not even going to mention the giant toads they had standing in for the real Kilrathi), so where was all the epic space battling? They had one real dogfight in the entire movie, and even that one was neither very good or very long. It seemed to exist mostly as a vehicle for bringing on Maniac's personal crisis (And, guys, Maniac doesn't -get- personal crises. Maniac -gives- them.).
And then there were the fighters. The entire game revolved around the fighters. Anyone who's played the game knows what a Rapier looks like. And, sorry, it doesn't look like a mutant Zero with a huge gatling gun for a nose. The Tiger's Claw in the movie didn't look very much like the 'Claw I used to land on, either. The Kilrathi fighters (I assume they were supposed to be Dralthi) weren't too bad (in the few shots they actually showed up in), but their capitol ships didn't look much like the ones I used to hunt, either.
And they played the Star Wars trailer immediately before the movie. It got a standing ovation. The contrast just made the movie worse.
One final comment, then I'll shut up: One of my friends pointed out that the ending left things open for a sequel. I don't know whether to be terrified that they might make one, or to hope that it might give them a chance to redeem themselves.
Well, the capitol ships, at least, in Wing Commander have always apparently had artificial gravity. That bit with the crashed ship was on the flight deck of the 'Claw, so presumably, it was within the area of effect of the 'Claw's artificial gravity.
If you want to bitch about scientific inaccuracies, try fact that they were able to hear the approaching Fralthi (or whatever it was supposed to be) through the vacuum... and had to be quiet (not radio or EM silence, actual quiet inside the ship) so it wouldn't hear them... WTF?
And how did whatsername manage to crash that ship, anyway? I've flown home fighters that were in a hell of a lot worse shape than that one. I managed one time to fly a Hornet home after ramming a Gratha to death with it - his five buddies'd shot off both my lasers, and I'd used up my last missile taking out the last of them, so when I got to Gratha number six, I had nothing left but the ship itself. So I hit him with it. Three times. (Gratha are tough bastards.) Then I flew back to the 'Claw with a Hornet that had both wings missing, no armor on front or back, and almost every internal component damaged. Getting clearance with a damaged comm was a bit tricky, but landing was hardly a problem.
My girlfriend yelled the same thing...
:)
It would've been funnier if they'd cast Luke in that role like they did in the game, though.
They weren't speaking metaphorically.
I don't mind having spaceships go swoosh for effect when they go by, and hearing the lasers fire and the like (though the 2001-style realistic complete silence may be a more powerful effect). When they start shushing people so the enemy cruiser doesn't hear them, that's taking things too far, though.
A couple of points... the fighters in the Wing Commander universe (at least in the games) had "acceleration compensators", which I think were supposed to be some sort of anti-grav unit that reduced the stresses on the pilot. They certainly had the tech to do it... the capitol ships had full-blown artificial gravity.
And Wing Commander had force shields, too. They're what made the Rapier such a vicious fighter... it was small, fast, maneuverable, reasonably well armed, and, while it was more lightly armored than the heavier Raptor, it had better shields than any of the other fighters. Damage that would slag a light fighter often wouldn't even penetrate a Rapier's shields. Cap ships, especially the bigger ones, had massively heavy shields. I can't count the number of times I've spent many minutes staring at the tail end of a Fralthi or a Snakir, pounding on them with my guns, trying to bring those shields down far enough to do some real damage to them - and this after unloading my entire missile load into them. They introduced the torpedo later in the series specifically to take care of that problem.
Speed and maneuverability were more effective protection than even shields, though. I always hated flying the Scimitar, because, while it had decent shields, armor, and firepower, it had all the speed and maneuverability of a pig in mud. The Raptor wasn't too bad... it wasn't terribly maneuverable, but it was reasonably fast, and it was a fraggin' tank. The Hornet, the Rapier, and (surprisingly) the Kilrathi Dralthi were all sweet little fighters, though. I'd always assumed the Kilrathi fighters just sucked until I got a chance to fly a Dralthi in one of the Secret Missions expansion packs. It wasn't terribly fast, well armed, or well-shielded, but it could turn on a dime. It kicked some serious ass in a dogfight. After eating six Kilrathi-piloted Rapiers for lunch with one, I came to the conclusion that it was the Kilrathi pilots that just sucked...
The Star Wars trailer was indeed the the first one, and that combined w/the opening sequence and first few minutes of the actual movie were the only thing worth seeing...at least I only paid $4.25 to get in.
I find it odd how these space movies continually mess up their portrayal of zero gravity. It was especially humorous when they pushed Rosie's crashed ship off the "edge" of the landing area, and it fell off the edge. Where did it "fall" to in zero gravity? Why didn't it just float off?
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"Like in ID4, they were automatically able to link up with the "alien ship network" and communicate on it, not to mention that the C program he uploaded was automatically binary compatible w/ the alien ship's computer. (#include "aliens.h")."
Ahhh..that's where you're wrong...He didn't really use a cleverly written C program...He crippled the alien mothership's network by installing Win NT!
VENI! VIDI! VICI!
Posted by DaveCBio:
in a LONG while. The plot was beyond cliched, the acting was so cardboard they might be able to recycle the film and make toilet paper (which would be the best use of this movie). After a whole group of us from work came back from seeing it we sat down and were asked if we could come up with one good thing from the movie. After a minute of silence one of my workmates said, "The explosions were cool.". So, the legacy of a series of good video games is now a flat, lifeless, pathetic film.
P.S. - The trailer was worth thr price of admission.
P.P.S. - The Kilrathi in the games looked 100 times better and that is not hyperbole.
Posted by DaveCBio:
This was intended for the big screen from square one. Read the numerous articles in Wired, PC Gamer and other game magazines that talked about it. Not a single one ever mentioned it being a straight to video production. It's easy to tell by the CG that is was meant for theatres. It's not CG's fault that the acting and, what we can loosely call, the plot was more cliche ridden than a made for TV movie about computer hackers.
P.S. - Did anyone else feel like they were watching a high school production of Das Boot with a large FX budget?
Posted by Pushkin:
By the crapy commercial, or rather the crappy acting in the hastily pasted together commercial; that this movie is a piece of steaming hot feces. I think i'd rather go watch Prince of Space WITHOUT the help of the MST3k crew than even think about wasting 7.50 (or 9.00 in NY) for this celluliod tripe.
A list of some of the lamest parts of the movie, IMO, for those who haven't seen it (let these be a warning to you):
- They loaded torpedos into the launch tubes by hand! like some WW2 movie. What, did something horrible happen in the future that made everyone forget the auto-loading technology that we already have today?
- The fighter ships looked like cut-off prop fighter-planes, with the circle of guns looking surprisingly like a rotary prop engine. I don't recall them looking that bad in the video game.
- Cliche, Cliche, Cliche! The hangar on the flight deck had the standard assortment of guys in helmets running around guiding the fighters to their takeoff points (I expected to see some guy come out with paddles to direct the planes). fighters came in to the hanger with lots of sparks and grinding - even on the successful 'normal' landings.
- Cliche, Cliche, Cliche! Every standard military flyboy-movie thing was found, but done very badly - the new guy trying to prove himself to his squadron, starting off on a bad foot. The lunatic pilot who starts out uncontrolled and crazy until his antics get someone hurt and then he 'sobers up'. The hard-nosed-commander-who-softens-up-later. The I-can-break-my-order-but-you-cant senior officer, etc. The list goes on.
- This has got to be the worst: The ship is silent, hiding on an asteroid. An enemy vessel slowly passes overhead. The captain tells everyone to be on the lookout, and they all look up at the ceiling! (Which has no windows or anything.)
Don't see the movie. It blows. If you are one of these insane people who is willing to pay money just for the SW trailer, wait to see it on some other movie. (I went in expecting Wing Commander to be an okay movie. That's 2 hours of my life I'm never getting back.)Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
Mortal Kombat II just stunk. There could've been a theater full of pre-teen boys rocking out and I still wouldn't have enjoyed it.
Actually, in at least one scene, Paladin and another guy were flying Broadswords (don't know if they even resembled those from the game). He used it to take out a cap ship.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
I counted 4.
1) the sign on the box office telling people that the new "Phantom Menace" trailer would be played before "WC", but that they wouldn't get a refund if they left before the movie started
2) the "Phantom Menace" trailer
3) the fighter battle scenes (the FX, anyway)
4) the fellow in the front right section of the theater who (when Blair was told he could navigate that nasty quasar better than a computer could because of his "gift") yelled "use the Force, Luke"
I think it's pretty pathetic trying to make a movie out of a game franchise whose heydays were like 8 years ago.
Who cares now? I mean, how many people are going to recognize and smile at the broken fuse box in the cockpit that looks just like in the game? or How about that corny cameo by Chris Roberts?
I was a big fan of the game but I couldn't care less about those in-jokes - not after getting assaulted with "facts" like if you make too much noise in space, your enemy can hear you. Yes, it's true, I didn't make this up, guys..
I'm so glad I didn't drag anyone with me to see this crap...they'd demand me to be their slave for a week!
No, I don't mean turning off radar or engines..
The movie has a lot of allusions to naval warfare. There was one scene where a destoyer was "pinging" and dropping "depth charges" on an asteroid to find the Tiger Claw (which is built like a submarine and has Jurgen Prochnow as the CO, btw).
When the destroyer got closer, either Prochnow or Paladin was shhushing everybody otherwise "they can hear us." I think they use the word "hear" literally there.
It's fine with me when movies try to make stylistic impression like the looks of WW2 war machines in this movie - it was cute for a while. But they should not cross the line by letting the story line (or logic) affected by it.
Look at Roger Ebert's web site. In the "Movieman answer" section, there's one question about this (the gap commercialc, the schwab ones, etc.) There're actually two competing (maybe) techniques out there. I'm pretty sure one of them was patented and their website has a lot of sample movies you can download that use this technique.
email me if you can't find it.
I went to see WC on friday at a 30-screens cineplex. On saturday, I came back to watch Life is Beautiful. The theatre has this sign plastered all over the box offices (all 18 of them):
:)
"NOTICE: We will not issue refunds or exchanges for Wing Commander tickets!"
I guess this is because some people might just want to watch the prequel trailer because the movie doesn't suck that bad. Well, it's really bad, but not as bad as Avengers. On the flip side, people who don't know about the trailer would also get a fair warning on the film quality
It's a tie-in to a video game for godsake. Why would you assume it to be other than crap.
oh totally. although i have this theory that all movies with john leguizamo are kinda like that.. q.v. The Pest.
plus the part where they're talking about the fact that they're Luigi Mario and Mario Mario.. heh
Of course I know it...
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I wrote one of the songs in it.
NetBSD: the cathedral vs the bizzare.
In the original Wing Commander, if you had enough expanded memory, it had different explosions, and more animations, and more wreckage, and whatnot...
I had a 286, so I couldn't get expanded memory until I got a 386, at least, not without constricting my conventional memory so much the game wouldn't run. I spent so much time looking for extended->expanded converters that took less memory, and this and that, trying to get my extended memory to work with WC, but it never happened.
Run a pencil-and-paper RPG campaign with your far-off friends: Gametable!
Also, it should be "he himself is", not "they themselves are", since "a fool" is singular.
Naw, you can use "they" now as a singular when you don't wanna specify gender.....it's true...honest...
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I agree.
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GOD DAMN
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that was the worst movie that could ever be created by humans...
It was especially bad because I never saw the original lawnmower man and had no idea what the hell was going on
Has anyone else seen this terrible movie? Reply, I want to see who else has been forced to witness this crap.
Actually, the special effects were ok, about minimum what i'd expect for a hyped sci-fi movie.
However, the writing, story, and acting were _much_ better than Starship Troopers. This was Starship Troopers with a smaller budget.
I didn't come out of Wing Commander thinking to myself "My, what a waste of a movie", and that's a lot better than what I can saw for a lot of other sci-fi movies I've seen. Maybe if they make another Wing Commander movie, they'll get it right.
Also, I must add that the budget for Wing Commander was only $27 million.... it can perform in a mediocre fashion and still not be too bad.
-Dean
I've got only one thing to say to that: no co-ed shower scene! Now *that* made Starship Troopers a great movie. :)
-Jake
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Holographic lighting systems? You mean like Bill Gates' house?
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Yeah, wasn't that a French Canadian accent the Commodore had?
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Umm, if you release too much EMF into space, your enemy *could* detect you. Electromagnetic energy, unlike sound, travels through a vacuum. So "running silent" (metaphorically speaking) makes perfect sense from a physics standpoint.
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who developed 'RISE OF THE DRAGON '?, when was it released etc
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provbably never find it but I'll look out for it, dynamix makes good games (thinks, 'many hours spent shooting down fw190's in AOE')
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I was quite seriously on my way out the door to see WC when I decided to check slashdot again.
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After your review of ST:Insurrection, I wonder if I should listen to your movie reviews. After all, had you paid attention to the plot a little closer, you'd have caught a lot of the explanation of the goings on that offended you. It wasn't anywhere near as bad as you made it out to be. Perhaps I'm more generous than you are with movies- but, I'll reserve judgement on Wing Commander (just like I did for Insurrection).
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I noticed this while watching the movie for the first time... and I am an American. I told my friends that this is what I thought it was and they just kind of looked at me with a blank stare. I am glad that I am not the only one who thought this.
Of all the things I miss
that's the name of that game i think.
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Come on, give me a break.
It was PERFECT for what it tried to do and its target audience.
What were you expecting ? Shakespeare?
It's a movie based on a _video game_ for Gods sake.
Lighten up d00d!
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Am I just weird? I thought Starship Troopers rocked. Then again, I didn't go into that theatre expecting acting and a plot, like some people.
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Gratuitous violence is always kinda fun.
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See Life is Beautiful. One of the best movies I've seen in years.
Its a shame that MST3K is being cancelled. I get the feeling that Wing Commander is a nmovie they could really work with.
I started with nothing and I still have most of it.
actually, considering goldblum's character in id4 was using a powerbook, it was prolly just a badly written hypercard stack ;)
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Well, I knew WC would suck. But I went mostly to see the Star Wars trailer. So we got a bit of a late start, but decided to stop off at the store to buy some pop (saves us the $12347892 of movie theater pop). Running even later because of that, we hit a damn train on the way there. We could have beat the train except some reject in front of us decided he would drive half the speed limit.
... I thought that was corny too. I mean, alien subtitles. Think about that -- what's the point?
So we waited through the train and floored it to the theater. When we got there, the film was already rolling. We sat through two trailers, none of which were of Star Wars. Then the movie started. Damn! Did we miss the prequil trailer?! Either we missed it, or they didn't play it. I figured we should have just left then.
So the opening credits started rolling. I'm thinking, this looks cheesy. Then there was this really impressive shot in space with asteroids. For about 10 seconds, the movie looked good. And then the acting started. It took me about 5 seconds to realize right away that this was a B-movie. It had B-movie written all over it.
This was supposed to take place 600 years in the future. Did you see the equipment and technology they were using? It looked like Star Trek:TOS. Pathetic.
What did it for me was the Kilrathi. I mean, it was so bad it was actually funny. I chuckled at least a dozen times because of have corny it was. I think they used the same cut for each Kilrathi death. It looked like one of those lifesize cardboard cutouts that was just knocked over. I'm not exaggerating either!
Taco liked the alien subtitles
The game had better special effects than the movie did. The movie is worth seeing for a) the prequil trailer, and b) a good laugh. If you're expecting a good sci-fi movie with decent fx, don't waste your time.
Jason.
...I went in expecting badly acted B-movie cheese, with stuff blowing up, and I got it! :) Enjoyed the heck out of it.
Rob that's a great review. I was totally entertained.
Troy
I mean, it could have been worse. It might have helped that I was watching it with 6 other guys. MiSTing it wasn't that hard, either... a few choice lines and numerous opportunities to take jabs at it. Good stuff. :)
Jamie McCarthy
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Paul Verhoeven's movie of Starship Troopers was a truly bastardized version of the book: almost nothing was kept except the name. But the director - whose parents had a hard time thanks to Hitler and who is keenly aware of what fascism is all about - decided to carry over some of the book's symbolic flavor. Mostly it shows up in, as you point out, the uniforms and various other details. Also, note the brainwashing going on in the "TV spots" between scenes, which are rather clever parody.
And if you think the character of Rasczak is antidemocratic in the film, wait 'til you start reading through his endless lectures in the book. Holy cow.
I'm not one of those who fret over how movies are going to be misunderstood by the unwashed masses, but unfortunately many people are going to see this as another bullets-and-gore flick, and boy do those Nazis dress well. Which kind of misses the big picture. Then again, possibly in the 1950s many people read the book the same way, and who knows, maybe that was the director's point.
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I'd rather see a BeOS version :)
Linux can serve the popcorn
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Six? WTH?
Ok, so I played WC I and II, a little of III. I heard about IV.
There's WC Academy, Armada, and the newest, Prophecy (of which a demo is available).
Then there are Priv and Priv II.
So where are those WC 5 and 6? I'm looking through Origin's site, and there's no mention of them...
And what about his free-for-download? Or is that the demo...?
Patrix.
Maybe the scanners (you know, radars work by rebounding waves off of an object) can detect those vibrations caused by sound, and thus keeping quiet will reduce the vibrations and make the ship look more like an inert object than something bustling with voices...
Of maybe I'm pushing things too far...
Patrix.
Now we all know who really needs to go back to school: to re-take reading comprehension 101.
Good review, Rob: saves me the jing. Then again, seeing Prequel Trailer B on the big screen is tempting, not to mention the memories: I beat WC I and II without cheats, which took a while, and I too remember being annoyed by most wingmen, except the brilliant Hobbes. I never bothered with the latter 2 WCs. I heard about all the cinematic tripe they were concocting, and begged off.
--Uche
"What thou lovest well remains, the rest is dross" -- E.P.
Back to school as in "Run A Spellchecking Program" before you post. You're such a lazy characther.
Well, the movie sucked. I loved it when they were hiding the ship and everyone had to be real quiet so the enemy ships didn't hear them... huh?
But, on the plus side, Saffron Burrows, who plays Angel, was imho incredibly hot.
-Ragnarok
(pissed cuz I got there too late for the star wars trailer...)
Search first, ask questions later.
true, but a well piloted ariloulaleelay skiff could smoke the crap out of most of the ships in that game. ur-quan/ kor-ah dreadnoughts, all dead. except that damnable chimmr. and it wasn't TOO bad vs the sa-matra.
StarControl 2 was really one of the best games ever.
I loved the plot, the humor, the ZatFotPik (they were awesome, the dialog was great)
I wish there was a Linux version. I wonder if I could get it to run under the Dosemu...
When the makers of StarCon2 sent out a survey asking about what we as starcon2 fans wanted in the new version, I begged them to keep the technology low, and the game playability high, humor high, plot high.
They took my advice and shoved it in the trashcan. Starcon3 really sucked ass.
Someone needs to analyze that game (SC2) and make another game with all of the good features, and none of the bullshit that comes with most games these days.
-- If you met me, you probably wouldn't remember me. I'm pretty hard to remember.
If I see one more sci-fi movie that manages to sneak in some moral statement about bigotry edgewise, I'm going to vomit. Pilgrims my ass. It's about time the industry moved on to any topic that hasn't been beaten to death.
And throw scientific realism out the window. We can now fly around gravitational singularities, and plot courses through hyperspace with our brains. Anyone with a brain would program a computer to do it. A computer can do it faster.
*sigh* But the special effects were good.
1^2=1; (-1)^2=1; 1^2=(-1)^2; 1=-1; 1=0.
I just finished posting a similar, if abbreviated, view on the IMDB. The movie sucked. I really wanted to like it...but just couldn't. But like Rob said, seeing the trailer on the big screen was almost worth the money by itself, so I didn't feel *too* cheated.
I also played WC and WC2 for endless hours. I was fortunate enough to have (an original) SoundBlaster when WC2 came out, thus I enjoyed the "Speech Pack" that was sold separately.
Only years later did I start reading some of Larry Niven's science fiction (the Ringworld series, great books!) Now Ringworld was written in the late 60s and early 70s I believe and the Kilrathi aliens of Wing Commander bear a striking resemblence to the Kzinti race in Niven's universe.
Both are a race of large, fercious, tiger-like creatures whose society is militaristic in nature. The physical descriptions of Kzinti given in Ringworld are very, very close to that of the Kilrathi. Does anyone know if Chris Roberts was directly influenced by Niven?
By the way, Ringworld is great and I highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys quality science fiction, not the crap that is put out by hack authors these days. The Kziniti are a very believeable race, and Speaker-To-Animals is far cooler than Hobbes ever will be.
Rishathra anyone?
Was I the only one who interpreted Starship Troopers (the movie, haven't read the book) as a parody of Fascism?
The Federal logo, the anti-democratic sentiments in the school, their plasticised look, Doogie Howser's (whatever his real name is) uniform, their home town, the way the soldiers got younger and younger . . .
Better still, I'm still not convinced the cast were in on the joke.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
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oh, wish i would have logged on somtime in the past seven hours so i could have saved the $40 (me, gf, gf's son, popcorn, cokes) i spent to see this ridiculous waste of an evening movie.
but, the trailer did make it worth it for me. unfortunately, my gf took her sons to the bathroom right before it started, so it probably only pissed her off.
:)
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WC4 was the worst game I've ever played.
It was _so_ bad. I wish I could have turned the
game off and watched the cutscenes.
Play Elite instead.
I'm sorry. How long have you been doing computers?
Wing Commander was a very innovative game at its time. In fact, anyone with class, and roots, would appreciate this movie.
I'm sorry your parents allownace didnt warrant better equipment in the day. But you talk like your some bigshot actor or director, your not.
Stick to what you know, linux preaching, broke databases, and your intel i-wish-i-was-a-real-server archetiture.
If you have the odasicty to insult a movie that has roots in the computer world, you obviously are new to the scene.
And who cares about your stupid linux ports. I dont. Software is software, and at least Chris Roberts has the talent to make a game that was innovative, and get it into a movie.
PdM
(you were probably the guy in school who took names while the teacher was out)
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Could everyone go over to MobyGames and slashdot-effect the hell out of it? I'm curious to see what everyone thinks of the actual original Wing Commander--the PC game from 1990. Give it a rating if you have the 10 seconds it takes to do so...
yes it is... chances are tho, that someone will do this at the same time as me. let's see...
I fell out of my chair when he talked about doing a "Saving Private Ryan kind of thing."
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"A horse laugh is worth a thousand syllogisms"
blah blah blah french fries.
yep, I found Starship Troopers hilarious too. I don't know if it was intended that way, but I sure hope so ... I'm definitely not seeing WC though.
I've seen 3 really good movies recently... Buffalo 66, Life is Beautiful, and Celebrity. I've also seen a really bad one, but it's french so you've probably never heard of it.
Even though I'd seen the Phantom Menace trailer like 20x on quicktime, I found myself standing in front of a theater on Friday thinking "What the hell.."
The trailer was good. Ever notice how sometimes CG shots look a little grainy? The whole trailer had that grainy look that you couldn't really see in Quicktime. I hope the whole film isn't like this!
Then Wing Commander started.
This is the biggest piece of shit I've seen this year. It makes Lost In Space look like 2001.
After about 15 minutes, most of the audience was laughing at it and yelling lines at the screen.
How much more explicitly can I warn you all: It was a huge tub of crap-- from the star wars ripoffs ("I fought with your father in the XXXX wars") to the star trek rip offs ("Half-breed!" they call the half-human, half-"Pilgrim" hero) to the cheesy, flat acting, & horrible generic sets... The editing was INEXCUSABLE. The CG special effects were ok technically I suppose, but not outstanding and mostly consisted of the same type of shot over and over again-- the kind you're used to seeing on Deep Space 9. (If I see another zoom-from-a-spaceship-into-a-window shot again I'll kill myself. This movie does it like six times)
You should see the submarine-like space fights-- no, they're not "proton torpedoes" They're ACTUAL spece torpedos and they suck!!! Maybe they're from the game, but in the film the sub thing looks ridiculous, esp. when the enemy is "pinging" at them and they all have to be quiet so that they can't be found while they're hiding in a crater.
Ugh. After seeing this film I had a headache that lasted three hours. This film ruined my Friday night. The old Buck Rogers & Battlestar Galacticas on TV are more dramatic and had more interesting plot and characters than this.
Oh, and there's a crazy French guy in this film, who for some reason has to have his face two feet from the camera lens in every shot.
You've now been warned. Proceed at your own risk.
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
The official wing commander site links to reviews of the film, including this one which begins as follows:
Remember that scene in A Clockwork Orange where the government tried to modify Alex's brutal behavior by forcing him to watch those ultra-violent film reels? It's possible that a similar approach could deter computer or video game designers from directing movies--just make them watch the extremely lame Wing Commander, an embarrassing effort from first-time helmer Chris Roberts, the same man who created the CD-ROM on which the film is based.
This is the ONLY actual review of the film (the other articles are about the film coming out...)
If nothing else, THIS outta tell you something!!!
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What I thought was pretty funny/ironic was that the actor, Jürgen Prochnow, that played Commander Gerald, the guy that started out as the second in command of the ship, is also the actor that played the captain of the U-boat in Das Boat. You can check for yourself by looking at The internet movie database and search on either movie.
Every time he was giving orders all I could think of was Das Boat, which is a great movie. This made the movie somewhat bareable.
Yeah, I've seen it free, but I'd pay to see it on the big screen. You lose quite a bit in the transition...
Was I the only one who interpreted Starship Troopers (the movie, haven't read the book) as a parody of Fascism?
The director made comments about how he wanted to portray Heinlein's world "but in a manner which made you think".
Idiot. Heinlein's book already makes you think. The director's problem was that he didn't agree with Heinlein's vision, so Starship Troopers the movie becomes, not propoganda for the Federation (as the newsreel-esque scenes would imply), but subversive propoganda against the ideals of the Federation.
But I watch it on a regular basis anyway, largely for the FX...
Jay (=
You can't be serious. As far as the game goes WC4 blows; it's the least playable and least enjoyable of all of the series so far. (Although I haven't had the ?pleasure? of trying P2 yet.)
Somewhere, a long time ago, Origin forgot that it was about the _game_ and not about the freaking cinematics. I will give WC4 its due though. The opening scenes are fantastic and MUCH MUCH better done than the movie was. Despite WC4's crappy game play, just knowing that Digital Anvil and Chris Roberts worked on WC4's intro and the movie made me have high hopes that the movie wouldn't turn in to a cheezy piece of crap. Too bad I was wrong. Someone needs to take WC and Priv away from Origin/Roberts and give the game and the movie rights to someone with a clue.
Speaking of pushing the crashed ship off the edge of the landing area . . . why the heck didn't they tractor-beam her into the ship bay? They used them to grab the escape pods - is there some unwritten rule in the future that you'll be rescued if you bail out, but come up short bringing your ship home & you become space carrion?
Hey, they make a crap movie like this while they could make another awesome Buckaroo Bonsai movie (Or a re-make) the CGI is good enought for the movie to rock now but nooooooo... Let's do a stupid Video game based movie... What's next? PACMAN the movie?
How about MSTK3 the movie? go to a movie to watch someone watch a movie... that would RULE!
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Read the book and you will understand. It is a "possible future". The movie was a bit more direct in how they portrayed the total control/fascism of the time. The book, as usual, made you think about that a bit more. Also, in the book it is not the explosions or the bugs or anything like that that's really the message--it's the main character's internal struggles. That's what the story is really all about. Give it a read. It's not bad.
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I have to agree with most people when it comes to the fact that Wing Commander stunk, and that the only thing going for it was its special effects. The unfortionate thing is that I was one of the few unluckey people in that the theater I went to did not bother to show the trailer to Episode I.
The game under discussion is Star Control 2, and it had a PC premiere. Star Control, a damn fine game in it's own right (I was good enough with the skiff to wipe out the entire Urquan alliance with it alone in meelee), did appear on the Amiga first, but it is not the game under discussion.
I hear the duo behind SC 1&2 have a Playstation game out called Unholy War (iffy on the title).
I know what you mean!
It actually seems like most of the characters in the film were either French or British.
The torpedos didn't bother me that much. They had enough destructive power. The Star Wars "Proton Torpedos" you mentioned were nothing but missiles.
What really bugged me also was that they pretended the spaceship was a sub. Everyone knows sound doesn't travel in space, so stop being quiet and looking at the ceiling!
And what was with those wierd looking things they claimed were Kilrathi? The Kilrathi aren't a bad CG version of who knows what! They supposed to be big lion/tiger-like cats with humanoid bodies! I remember the Kilrathi looked 10x better in the WC2 cutscenes!
From what I've read and been told, you apparently didn't really miss very much by not getting to play WC4. Even Mark Hamil couldn't save it (or so I'm told).
WC3 rocked very very much, though. Wish they'd based the movie on that, using the same actors...
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...but as I've seen in IMDB's "user comments" area, and now here, no matter how crap a movie is, there will be some (sometimes a lot) of "I liked it" and "it wasn't that bad" reviews...and no matter how awesome a movie is, there will always be somebody yelling SUCK!!!
:)
Someone should come up with a formula relating the number of each type of review to the other to figure out just how good movies really are...
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Everyone was either Scottish or English, with a few exceptions. :-)
Was this a British film? It seems to have gone overboard on the "Naval-Submarine" imagry. In the US, our Space Ships seem to be more Pilot-Airforce related, while this movie was all about Submarines, torpedoes, and such. I felt like I was watching a really bad WWII sub flick.
P.S. Why in God's Name did they make cool computer animation, but make the Kilrathi out of cheesy foam rubber?
Not that it really has anything to do with your point, but: Jurgen Prochnow, who had a signifigant role in the movie (I haven't seen it yet, so I can't say whom he plays), also played the commander of a German WW2 U-boat in the unbelievably good movie, "Das Boot". Rent it, subtitled if you can. It'll make you claustrophobic.
Sample dialogue, translated to geek to shield the easily offended:
"I was going to screw myself to a standstill, but now I'm in no condition to fsck."
Don't be so pedantic. i.e:
Get your head out of your.
The secret of success is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake those, you've got it made. (Marx)
Hmm. Someone told me that WC4 really sucked arse.
Is this true? I thought Prophecy was the best game in the WC series. Mind you I don't really care about the acting.
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Instead of checking the PGP sig on the "top secret message" against the Admiral's public key, they get into a big argument until the crazy french guy shows them some heirloom ring.
You couldn't have been more right.
Although, the frozen-tableau was a great shot, too.
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I can see the similarities; I bet he was. ;-)
You're right, on the books, too--excellent reading material. I bought Throne as soon as it came out. Did you read The Integral Trees or The Smoke Ring?
Is your offer still open?
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Ok, I'm on Spring Break right now, and as a result of a new multiplex existing in my town, the old multiplex has "$2 Tuesdays", so I can see this movie on Tuesday for $2. The Star Wars trailer alone may be worth that, but do you guys think that the movie is worth $2? That's cheaper than renting it. Hmmmm. Maybe if I sufficiently dumb myself down by playing Zelda64 till then, I'll be ok. Maybe I won't notice the plot stuff and can just gawk at the special effects. Hmmm, what do you think?
I realize I'm getting fairly off-topic here, but bare with me.
:) Either way, I thought it was a good thought-provoking film. Not for the special effects, or the actual storyline, but more for the manner in which it was presented, and the whys behind why it was presented. And the constant little reminders that 'what you are seeing is what really happened' while everything that 'really happened' has been snipped out. That constant voice saying "Would you like to know more?"
Starship Troopers wasn't so much a parody or hilarious as it was satire about US/UN politics, imo. The whole thing was essentially a story about propaganda. About how we buy into it so easily. And how accepting we are of what our government tells us.
The whole movie was shot as a propaganda film, for the people set in that universe. The point of the whole thing wasn't that the events were supposed to be believeable to us. The point was that they were supposed to be believeable to the people the film was intended for.
And that's where you've got to make the connection; the satire here isn't the film itself. It's us. We're the satirical part of the equation, because we're supposed to believe it. And we do. We accept Clinton's explanation for why he bombed the Iraqis, and ignored Saddam's explanations of take-over rights, just as the people in this film accepted the explanation the government that the aliens were evil, rather than the explanation that the aliens were just protecting their turf against the expanding humans, who were penetrating their home.
I guess it's easier to look at a film like this objectively when you're not american. Or maybe it's just because I'm Canadian..
Well.. would you?
It's not worse than Lawnmower Man 2..? *whew!* Man, I actually BOUGHT that movie, thinking it'd be great. (Yeah right..) So if the Wing Commander movie's better than Lawnmower Man 2 (which I watched at least twice, and I'm still relatively sane..) then maybe I could watch Wing Commander without too many ill effects. :)
it seems like everything i've read about this movie has been knocking on it pretty hard. I watched it, and enjoyed it. some of the acting may have been mediocre, and they should have spent more on the kilrathi, but it was a decent movie over all.
remember, the bad parts just give you a chance to practice imitating tom servo. (mst3k)
A friend and I "went for the trailer, stayed for the movie" last night, and really, it wasn't *that* bad. When people ask how it was, I tell them it was about on par with Starship Troopers. Lots of great CG, a badly translated plot, and a mediocre cast. Which is what I expected - I can't say I left the theatre disappointed, because what I saw is about what I expected.
I'll admit I was disappointed with the Kilrathi as well - they're supposed to be cat-like, which implies a certain feline grace. The aliens in the movie reminded me more of hairy frogs.
As movies based on computer games go, it was pretty good, especially given the budget (heck, for any movie it was amazing given the budget!).
"... entertain some people who liked the games..."
Whoa! Being a big fan of the games (Well, the first two, anyway), I found the movie quite awful. There were so many liberties taken with the technology, setting, plot, etc. that all the games and the movie had in common were names. The Rapiers were totally different than any rapier in the game, the kilrathi were awful, the portrayal of the different characters was awful (Angel was decent, and Hunter was pretty true to the game, but the rest were just plain bad -- including Maniac).
In short, the movie didn't even aim to please the WC fans. It's the same thing as if a Star Wars game were made that bastardized the universe so badly that the only thing that was recognizable was the names (of certain fighters, characters, etc.).
I totally agree! The Rapiers looked nothing like Rapiers, the Broadswords were nothing like a Broadsword (what happened to the turret crew? And the turrets, for that matter!). Paladin was given too much importance for the time period (yes, he did get more important in WC2, but in WC1 he was just another grunt flying a fighter -- and what happened to his Scottish accent!?!?!). Angel was okay, because the actress was cute (though she should've been a red-head, like the angel from WC1&2), and Hunter was almost dead-on (except for his antagonization of Blair). It would've been nice to see some other familiar faces, such as Iceman, or Spirit. Maniac was just plain wrong. Overall, the movie only had the names in common with the game.
The name of the game with the "Tiny Trucks" was Off Road, or later, Super Off Road. I think Ivan Ironman Stewart or someone had his name plastered all over it...
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Ironically, I went with a friend who went to actually see Wing Commander. He is (in my opinion) a bigger Star Wars fan than all the people who paid just to see the trailer. He is specifically AVOIDING all Star Wars content, so the entire movie is a surprise. He was PISSED when he accidentally looked at a movie poster and saw the title "Phantom Menace"...
After Wing Commander, he asked me what I thought the best part was, I had to respond "The part you left the theater for."
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Thank you, I enjoyed the movie also. And I was glad to bring my 3 year old too. (Okay, I had to cover his eyes for one bed scene).
It was a fun movie that was easy to watch, and wasn't trying to win an Oscar, just entertain some people who liked the games, and maybe 1 other guy.
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I enjoyed the movie, but also wondered why the hell they didn't get Mark Hammel, heck he doesn't seem to be doing anything else right now. (I can't believe he turned down a chance to get back on the big screen).
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Always good to see people who can't think for themselves. Oh well, that's what we get from public schooling.
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I guess you never took a literature course. The rule is, build a universe and don't break your own rules. The universe they built had pilgrims which were able to navigate unstable worm-holes. They followed that rule. BTW, computers are still not faster then brains, with the exception of math.
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Went for the trailer. The movie was just about what I expected. I never played the game series, so I had no idea what was right/wrong.
Most of the folks from my office went to see it. One of my co-workers put it best:
"It was like Casablanca, except it was in space, with spaceships and special Fx. Also, Bogart wasn't in it, and there was no casle and no Nazis. But otherwise, it was just like Casablanca"
Funny stuff
I love the immediate compatibility with alien technology that is shown in movies. Like in ID4, they were automatically able to link up with the "alien ship network" and communicate on it, not to mention that the C program he uploaded was automatically binary compatible w/ the alien ship's computer. (#include "aliens.h").
Just the same w/ this movie, the whatever AI computer for navigation looked like it was just plugged into the kilrathi ship like it belonged there.
Who says it has to be done by Chris Roberts? Origin could lease the rights off him and give it to someone else to make, maybe the guy who made WC5?
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hmmmm wc6 in linux....neat
The movie wasn't that bad! I didn't expect Star Wars quality, didn't get it, but the movie sure was enjoyable! And all the people I overheard at the theater agreed with me. But I suppose it is not really cool to actually like a movie? heh. May they make more WC games and movies!
Yep, that is exactly it. Check out the WC web site, they talk about it a bit. http://www.wcmovie.com/
Why is it that alien ships are always dark with no lighting except for a feint greenish glow? I mean come on, they need to see too. And why is it that they always speak with this deep "pig sounding" dialect. You figure one of these movies would finally make some aliens that had somewhat human living environments and speech patterns.
man funk that
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me and my 3 friends made up about half of the audience on opening night...it was funny though after the star wars trailer some guy got up and said he pissed in his pants
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Finally! Other people who think Civ kicked the tar out of CivII!
Oh yeah, I loved beating the crap out of mech. inf's using militias by the SDL method!!
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One thing that has always bothered me is
why there needs to be a damn cockpit with an
external view all the time. Glass can only be so
strong or plexiglass or whatever won't be as
strong as the armor on the rest of the ship and
any damage on the glass probably means the cockpit
depressurizes and the pilot dies. It makes more
sense to bury the pilot in the ship and have
a screen or whatever linked to external cameras
or sensors. That way you need to rip apart the
ship to kill the pilot instead of just hitting the
cockpit.
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it
Maybe the scanners (you know, radars work by rebounding waves off of an object) can detect those vibrations caused by sound, and thus keeping quiet will reduce the vibrations and make the ship look more like an inert object than something bustling with voices...
The vibrations due to the voices would be really small. Besides if the scanners/radars/etc were bouncing off the hull, they would have bigger problems since I'm pretty sure that the scanners could tell the difference between a metal object and the stone in the asteroid.
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it
A lot of people don't know that this is actually a B-movie. It was meant to be straight to video. But then one of the actors was in a big movie and they decided to try and scrape a little of the credit from that movie. Then star wars was comeing out so they wanted to get more of another movies hype. I like what one review said, it was like Starship troopers except not as creative.
Here's some advice. Avoid movies who's trailers have more shots of total cg (without any people in it) that shots with people (some of these shots might include cg). The one and only time I've seen the trailer for this movie it reminded me of Lost in Space. Way to much cg for a trailer = 1 big peice of (sensored for viewer discression).
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The decession to turn it into a theatre movie was done during production. At that point the scripting and characters stayed the same but their budget increased because it was going to the theatres. How do you turn a B-movie into a theatre movie. Right, you add special effects. Notice how the actors were proabably all paid for cheaply, the sets were paid for cheaply, but not that they have money, they have cool special effects..
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It was a WW2 movie. Straight and simple. Every aspect of it was, from the way the ships looked and felt to the basic plot itself (Diversion, interception, stolen intelligence). And for that, I enjoyed it.
The classic age of war, and it was very well recaptured. As someone sad earlier in these comments, it was a B movie. The actors, the plot, everything. It was a fun B movie too, cliched and WW2-all-over-again. It's that second genre of Sci-Fi, not like the Star Treks, one where technology and the future in space is all spit-and-polish.
I'd have to say that if you're after another look at sci-fi from another perspective or if you have an interest in the way war was 55 years ago, this is a movie to see.
(And incidently, the trailer was worth the admission anyway)
WC1 was definately cool, but WC2 was when the game really shined. It was one of the first games to have a truly awesome cinematic intro. Thinking about how much fun I had with the first two WC's gives me goose bumps =)
Other cool games from sorta-way-back (i guess i mean early vga games):
-A-10 Tank Killer
-King's Quest V
-RISE OF THE DRAGON --- play this!!! makes blade runner pathetic
-Battle Chess II
-Wolf3d
-Golden Axe
-Stellar 7
-4x4 racing(?) : kinda isometric view with tiny trucks, you get to build them up as you win $, and you buy speed boosters called "nitros"... what's the name of this game?
-maniac mansion 2
what other games should be added to this list?
i remember access entertainment (maker of cool looking games like crime wave and mean streets) were making vga games way back. king's quest V was definately not the first vga game (even WC was vga and was released at least a couple years before KQV). one thing i do remember, though, is that KQV was the first game to extensively use digitized paintings as backdrops. graphically it was way ahead of its time, and it pretty much blew everyone away when released.
rise of the dragon was one of the first games developed by Dynamix after they were incorporated into the Sierra family.
they also developed Red Baron and Wall of China neither of which were as good as rise of the dragon.
was not the acting (even though it did seem a bit mtv'ish...)
not the plotline (standard sci-fi "we are humans ergo we kick everyone's ass!!")
not even the inspirational music (ala independence day)
it was these stupid teeny-boppers sitting in the theater oohing and ahhing every time freddy prince jr. was on the screen.. and throwing sh*t all over the place (one bit of sneakers or something hit me on the head, and left me with a headache through most of the movie); oh and lets not forget the constant talking and giggleing and other sort of teeny-bopper behaviour 10-14 year olds like to engage in..
the movie could've been better, but it was worth the eight bucks (the trailer being the best part of course).. maybe on a second viewing (when it comes to cable) i'll enjoy it more..
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Rent Das Boot; from what I've read Wing Commander is based on the WWII submarine movie.
Sonar doesn't work in space apparently...
Dat's right. Privateer II was not, at the outset, going to be a Privateer game at all. I was one of the poor sots who tested this disaster for Origin. Hold your rotten tomatos, it wasn't my fault. : ) The game started as an interactive movie called "The Darkening". Initially, it was a shoot stuff/trade stuff/follow trippy amnesia plot through weird FMV shots game. Origin/EA's marketroids got a hold of it and said "Trading? Spaceflight? Sounds like Privateer to me!" They were oh so wrong. Some of the spacecraft were pretty cool. Some of the combat sequences were kinda pretty. I actually enjoyed some of the FMV sequences, as they had an interesting atmosphere quality. However, as a sequel to the immortal Privateer, it was an abject failure. The game was not under the direct control of Chris Roberts, but his wannabe-a-game-designer brother Erin. There was some talk of a lynching, but that didn't happen.
Oh, and the movie sucked EPIC amounts of ass as well. I went expecting no plot, cool SFX, and space battle whupass. One out of three (no plot) ain't bad.
Oh, yeah it is. Never mind.
Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
is a huge difference.
It's really amazing how much cooler the trailer was with dolby digital sound and a huge ass screen. the place shook at times. =)
Do any actual scientists work here, or is it just one long game of truth or dare?
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It was an Amiga game long before it was a PC/VGA game.
haven't seen a decent movie in quite a while... maybe something about mary? that was funny.. i think "as good as it gets" was the only other decent movie in about 2 years :\
actually it had a budget of 27mil. damn i wish someone would give me that type of cash to make a movie.
WC4 had one of the best stories in a computer game
EVER and the movie made out of it sequences was better than the 90% of what Hollywood makes (if not the effect, the story was for sure).
It was WAY more believable than WC3 because it was all about humans and their flaws. The way it was unfolding was astounding.
The game itself was incredibly tough so I went through almost all of it with cheats and just to see movies. So as a game, WC4 wasn't much.
But I still remember those days I spent at work feverishly waiting for time to go home and watch more of WC4... Heck, I even bought several WC books after that.
That's what makes this WC movie quite dissapointing. I was expecting much more.
Get WC4, turn on cheats and enjoy!
As a game, WC4 is essentialy WC3 and many people didn't like it, but as a movie... nothing in the game business comes close.
It's now cheap if you can find it so it's worth for the movie alone.
Prophecy engine was great but story sucked and acting was horrible, except for the Maniac. The story had a great potential but they screwed it up. And they are aware of it: the upcoming sequels will all be multiplayer only (=no story).
Elite ruled...
I remember that in Europe the general opinion was that Privateer was just an Elite ripoff. Was Elite distributed in US at all? That would explain why people here speak so highly of it, just like Elite is treated in Europe.
But they did come out with an MST3K movie, called (creatively enough) "Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie" or something along those lines. It didn't show in theaters in a lot of markets, but try to find it at your local movie store (like Suncoast or whatever). They watch "This Island Earth" and whereas most of the shows' cracks are sort of off-the-cuff, the movie's rips took time to write, and the quality shows it. And yes, it is damn funny.
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If you missed the trailer on the bigscreen, download it at: www.starwars.com It may not be in a theatre, but at least you don't have to see WC to view it.
It sucked! I can't believe they made the Kilrathi look so wussy. In the game their hands were bigger then a humah head. In the movie the Kilrathi look like a five-year-old's halloween costume.
I also dont get the new story line. Natural ability to jump without a computer? Half breed? Hollywood killed this movie and that sucks cause the people who went are the fans of the game not the normal idiot who goes to see a movie like Baby Geniuses.
For further elaborations visit my comment on the Feb 9th Wing Commander Article where I psychicly predicted it would suck...
I must admit WC 2 was really cool, but Privater was AWESOME, I mean you had so much more freedom, you could go kill shit whenever you wanted, buy cooler stuff, etc. I did like the WC2 intro tho.. I was so young, I was like "Look, its mouth is moving... AND WORDS ARE COMING OUT!!!! This beats the pants off NINTENDO!!!" Tho D00M still wins in my book all-round.
Yes, SC2 is up there on my list with d00m and privater... can't believe I forgot... I seriously didn't stop playing that game till I had beaten it to death. The universe was so BIG, and it plays nicely on a slow-ass puter thru a sqeaker. AND THE MUSIC RULES!!! I STILL LISTEN TO IT!!!! Probably the best game music EVER!!!
I think your talking about Ivan "ironman" Stewarts Offroad Racing ... I think I still have that on a 51/4 floppy somewhere : )
Screw all those games, the original Civ is and will always be the best game of all time !!!!!!
Blah ! Mech Inf. are lousy, you just need 6 battleships, and 2 fully loaded aircraft carriers and you'll bring any nation to its knees ...
Civ was a whole lot better than Civ II, but you have to try Alpha C., damn damn good game : )
They have made the horde for crystal d, a 3DO game
and pandemonium 1 and 2 for playstation, PC
and Unholywar for playstation.
Don't think they had anything to do with GEX or Kain.
Yeah I would learn linux (I know a little already) and install it on my computer too. :) I would also pay for the linux version of SC2 :)
The creators of SC1 and SC2 had nothing to do with SC3. They left Accolade when differences arose between the parties. This is when they joined Crystal D. The creators didn't even suggest story lines or how SC3 should be done. So don't think of SC3 as a "true" sequel.
Please do! I would have to install linux just for this port!
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