I wouldn't worry about this for a number of reasons, most of which any current broadband user will ateast to.
Most webservers don't have massive amounts of info to be transfered in a single http request, other than the typical 20-100K of data per page, and most of data is divided into smaller graphics and such. Each one transfered 2 at a time (default in IE).
The larger files say, from a ftp, are almost bandwidth capped on the server, I never see a full 1.5mbps connection to most ftps, except the very large overseas servers.
Now getting to the meat of the matter, audio/video file sharing/serving, this is going to be the biggest impact of all, that can potentially put a strain on certain bootlenecks of the net. In this case the situation is reversed, the 100mbps bandwidth would far exceed even the fastest cable modem user.
The penetration of broadband is slowly growing and will most likely be the dominate way to connect to the internet in say 5 years (gross esitmate of course) by that time I am sure the infrastructure will be more robust than it now, staying ahead of Joe Six Packs hunger for metallica mp3s.
I'm not worried at all, as the net strains, it gets stronger with upgrades and more fiber being laid, the more we (end users) throw at it, the stronger it will eventually become.
Current CDMA/TDMA cellphones pump out 0.6 watts (carphones/bag phones use 3.0 watts). As the power decreases the health risks will decrease aswell, even if they are minute to begin with.
Solution? Move to the next generation of Cellular Phones, ala Time Domain's Time Modulated UltraWideband Impulse tech, or what ever they are calling it these days. From what I understand, phones built upon this tech would only produce 0.0025watts... Hell I make more power belching.
the current trend in "Pirating" is to repackage the original game to something as small as possible. This is accomplished by converting the "Game Music" to mp3's then have them uncompress after it has been distributed. Other more cpu intensive compression schemes are used on the associated graphics packaged with games. This may not seem like such a great reduction in space but when you consider that a majority of a 650-700meg game is primarily music you can squeeze that size down to under 200megs without lossing playability or quality.
As a current customer of BA's Infospeed, their residential DSL service, for about a year I can advise you of this. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU GET SERVICE FROM BELL ATLANTIC.
1) Bell Atlantic's internal infrastructure is totally fragmemnted. I have dealt with well over 7 different departments and subcontracted companies to get a simple issue resolved. These departments do not communicate with each other at all.
2) Bell Atlantic DSL service goes down for weeks at a time with no info on when they will be up again, no sense of urgency will get results, they are the phone company, they don't have to care.
3) Bell Atlantic's Billing system is wrought with problems, I have one phone line and BA has over charged me since December each month (double billing) and has failed to stop the billing and failed to give me credit for the overbilling. My featureless phoneline now stands at well over $500.
4) Bell Atlantic's techsupport is staffed by upto 3 different companies in 3 different states, most of whom get paid by how many calls they take, and couldn't care less if your problem is resolved. They make you go through a moronic process of going through your system setup, on EVERY CALL. If you state you have anything but Windoze or MacOS they refuse to help. A manger actually hung up on me once when I told him I was running Linux.
5) Bell Atlantic does not offer static ip's or even DCHP, but a whacked out protocol called PPPoE, PPP over ethernet. plainly put it sucks, period...
6) If you have any problem at all Bell Atlantic uses the same 72-hour trouble ticket system that it uses for its POTS service, if you have a problem, it has 72 hours to fix the problem, if the problem is not fixed, they issue another ticket which gives them another 72 hours to fix the problem, ad nauseum...
7) Bell Atlantics Speed offerings are 640/90, 1500/90, and 7100/640 kbps. the 640/90 is a false number it is truely 608/90, and I have never seen speeds over 525kbps/70kbps (65KB/s) EVER! the numbers that are advertized are purely for marketing and are totally bogus.
8) The Upload speeds are serverly inadequet for giving optimal download speeds. When uploading at full rate the download speed is crippled to approx 250kbps as there isn't enough bandwidth left to send back the ACKs. The 1500/90 service is even more crippled, you'll never EVER get the 1500kbps download speed under any circumstances at the 70kbps upload speed isn't large enough to sustain this.
I could go on forever... Just go to dslreports.com and research your options, but please don't think that if you deal with BA exclusively you'll only be dealing with one entity. This is simply not true.
Capunet is my future DSL provider, just waiting for COVAD to hook me up up at the CO
Aslo I know for a fact that Sprint uses CellularONE's cell sites in the Washington Metro area. They simply buy the capacity from CellularONE. I am sure they have similar agreements with other providers throughout the country.
when it comes to the wireless market its all about the footprint. I am sure BA looked at their current network makup closly and weighed their choice on that. Its all about whose got the Cell Sites and Where. The networking can be overhauled over time and the networking infrastructure remapped but putting up new towers/stations is a time consuming process. It is easier to buy an existing network then it is to apply with all the regulaatory agencies and state/local gov'ts to put up a new site. Then you have zoning restrictions, enviromental impact studies and the lot. too much hassle.
BA's wireless network is very strong IMHO. I used to work with CellularONE in Greenbelt, MD (the very first CellularONE infact the second company to offer Cellular to consumers waaaaay back when, I think the first was in Chicago). And I felt their product was superior's to CellularONEs digital offering in the Washington Metro area.
So given the past performance of PrimeCo and BA, chances are their network infrastructure will be reworked.
BellAtlantic, Airtouch Cellular, PrimeCo. have all merged to become Verizon. Combine that with the impending merger of GTE with BA, its gonna be quite large.
here's a bit from there site:
Verizon Wireless is the largest wireless communications provider in the U.S. with over 16 million wireless voice and data customers and nearly 4 million paging customers. The new coast-to-coast wireless provider was formed by the combination of the U.S. wireless businesses of Bell Atlantic Corp. (NYSE:BEL) and Vodafone AirTouch Plc (LSE:VOD; NYSE:VOD). The new company includes the assets from Bell
Atlantic Mobile, AirTouch Cellular, PrimeCo Personal Communications and AirTouch Paging. Verizon Wireless will be further strengthened by the addition of the wireless assets of GTE Corp. (NYSE:GTE) when it completes its merger with Bell Atlantic. When the merger is complete, the new company will have a footprint covering more than 90% of the U.S. population, 49 of the top 50 and 96 of the top 100 U.S. markets. Verizon Wireless, headquartered in New York City and Bedminster, NJ, is 30,000 employees strong.
Why all the rush to study remote galaxies as such, why not turn our eyes towards the center of our own galaxy? Is it such that our galaxy doesn't fit their parameters that have been postulated to contain a black hole?
I say point those bad boys to the center of the milky way and see what beats in the heart of all that matter. Even if there is no black holes to be found I would surely help determine which galaxies would and wouldn't contain a black hole. Thus raising the chance of finding a black hole in a remote galaxy.
The one thing that impressed me the most about the Aqua/Quartz engine is it dpi independent. I'm am far from a hardware/software developer, but even I can see the evolution in display technology moving to high res displays where 72dpi will be meaningless.
you think this business lacks any common sense, wait until the pharmacutical companies start submitting patents based on human genes!
I pray before that day comes the USPTO revamps their system. God knows what the the lawyers are gonna come up when the mapping of the human genome is complete.
...I think Netapliance can have its cake and eat it to. What the hell am I talking about? I am talking about a well planned restructuring.
Granted the Open Source community is hungry for their hardware, and from the article it seems that large institutions are hungry for the devices aswell for a variety of applications, Xterminals being the one mention in said article.
So we have two distinct markets that can be approached with two different products, one being the Subscription service, the second being the hardware. Currently they are taking a loss on the hardware inorder to sell the subscription service. Why on earth don't they restructure themselves so that they can sell the hardware to both markets and minimize the loss? It may fall into the boring catergory of innovative accounting but the gist is, if you lossing say 400$ per unit in one market and making 100$ per unit in another your total revenue increases and your total losses are decreased. Makes sense to me.
And in the long run the proliferation of such hardware would be a benefit to the company on the whole. It could spawn a new catergory of computers with Netapliance being at the forefront.
If they are only worried about their bottomline, then they should crunch the numbers. They are shooting themselves in the foot.
you only suck because you think you suck. Tomorrow is made today. The thing about the computer industry is that you can learn it on your own, and still be sucessful in the long run. If you think that the only way to work in the Computer Industry is to get a degree and be a cog in some company than maybe you do suck. But let me impart on you the most important lesson that I learned from college, "there is more than one way to get a solution".
I read the article and applaud netapliance's attempt to bring the internet to "Grandma" as the put it. It really is a noble venture and hope they do succeed. But they must admit that they have stumbled upon something that they shouldn't ignore because its not in their original "business model" and thats the need for a small utility computer. They say that they have only a limited supply of the i-opener computers and it would hurt their market projections if they were to be sold to individuals or companies outside of their target markets.
Its a strange world we live in when companies actually reject customers who are Willing and Able to buy their product in the hundreds.
Why was this moderated as flamebait? hmmm... me thinks the ego's around here need some flushing out.
I love reading slashdot when ever my cpu is busy doing something that sucks up all my resources. Been reading for well over 2 years, every day, and something sure does seem different.
In anycase I hope the realllly cool submissions and posts come back to slashdot, right now its nothing more than I can find on any other hightech website. The only thing that differentiated/. from the others was the comments, but as of late those have gone to hell too.
the Coppermine Xeon PIII's are exceptional aswell, and at a price point thats more realistic than the aged bretheren.
When I do upgrade my Mobo-Cpu's I am going with the Xeon PIII (750+). Right now I am running a dual system and couldn't go back to a single cpu (compiling is slow enough as it is).
When is AMD going to produce that promised Dual Setup anyway??
While it is a great use of "smart machines" I don't think it will go over to well with consumers. Me personally, I would avoid ALL coke vending machines if I knew that it changed its price on the temp? And what if the temp is 50 degrees, does the price drop???
And lets not forget the volcano thats errupting as we speak in Equador. Its been spewing ash and hot soot for a week or so now, and geologist predict that there is an 80% chance of it fully errupting. Whether its of the Mt. St. Helens variety, i don't know.
It does seem a bit odd that they are happening alot in the last couple months, thats for sure.
If another big quake hits, with a magnitude over 7.0 along the pacific plate then I might not be so quick to shrug it off as a fluke. Doomsday it most surely isn't but the earth can go through changes rapidly. We just haven't been around long enough to witness such an event.
My opinion on the media? They will hype anything as long as they get ratings. Its their primary reason for existance. Informing the public happens to be secondary.
-- Without order there is no life, without chaos there is no evolution.
I recently purchased a Enlight en-8900... Its a really nice server case, comes with 4 mounted 80mm fans, two mounted on the fron of the case, two mounted on the rear (directly over the atx connectors)... It was a toss up between the sc-750a and the en-8900, but aestetics did it for me. It comes standard with a 300W redundant powersupply but some venders sell it woith the single 300w, which is nice as it leaves YET another place to mount a fan above the power supply...
to sum it up: left/right/top panels are removable comes standard with 4 80mm fans (2 front, two rear) front bevel can be expanded to be joined with a file server encloseure.. has openings for wires in the case..
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OMG that can't be right!
Most webservers don't have massive amounts of info to be transfered in a single http request, other than the typical 20-100K of data per page, and most of data is divided into smaller graphics and such. Each one transfered 2 at a time (default in IE).
The larger files say, from a ftp, are almost bandwidth capped on the server, I never see a full 1.5mbps connection to most ftps, except the very large overseas servers.
Now getting to the meat of the matter, audio/video file sharing/serving, this is going to be the biggest impact of all, that can potentially put a strain on certain bootlenecks of the net. In this case the situation is reversed, the 100mbps bandwidth would far exceed even the fastest cable modem user.
The penetration of broadband is slowly growing and will most likely be the dominate way to connect to the internet in say 5 years (gross esitmate of course) by that time I am sure the infrastructure will be more robust than it now, staying ahead of Joe Six Packs hunger for metallica mp3s.
I'm not worried at all, as the net strains, it gets stronger with upgrades and more fiber being laid, the more we (end users) throw at it, the stronger it will eventually become.
bpd
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Current CDMA/TDMA cellphones pump out 0.6 watts (carphones/bag phones use 3.0 watts). As the power decreases the health risks will decrease aswell, even if they are minute to begin with.
Solution? Move to the next generation of Cellular Phones, ala Time Domain's Time Modulated UltraWideband Impulse tech, or what ever they are calling it these days. From what I understand, phones built upon this tech would only produce 0.0025watts... Hell I make more power belching.
the current trend in "Pirating" is to repackage the original game to something as small as possible. This is accomplished by converting the "Game Music" to mp3's then have them uncompress after it has been distributed. Other more cpu intensive compression schemes are used on the associated graphics packaged with games.
This may not seem like such a great reduction in space but when you consider that a majority of a 650-700meg game is primarily music you can squeeze that size down to under 200megs without lossing playability or quality.
bpd
As a current customer of BA's Infospeed, their residential DSL service, for about a year I can advise you of this. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU GET SERVICE FROM BELL ATLANTIC.
1) Bell Atlantic's internal infrastructure is totally fragmemnted. I have dealt with well over 7 different departments and subcontracted companies to get a simple issue resolved. These departments do not communicate with each other at all.
2) Bell Atlantic DSL service goes down for weeks at a time with no info on when they will be up again, no sense of urgency will get results, they are the phone company, they don't have to care.
3) Bell Atlantic's Billing system is wrought with problems, I have one phone line and BA has over charged me since December each month (double billing) and has failed to stop the billing and failed to give me credit for the overbilling. My featureless phoneline now stands at well over $500.
4) Bell Atlantic's techsupport is staffed by upto 3 different companies in 3 different states, most of whom get paid by how many calls they take, and couldn't care less if your problem is resolved. They make you go through a moronic process of going through your system setup, on EVERY CALL. If you state you have anything but Windoze or MacOS they refuse to help. A manger actually hung up on me once when I told him I was running Linux.
5) Bell Atlantic does not offer static ip's or even DCHP, but a whacked out protocol called PPPoE, PPP over ethernet. plainly put it sucks, period...
6) If you have any problem at all Bell Atlantic uses the same 72-hour trouble ticket system that it uses for its POTS service, if you have a problem, it has 72 hours to fix the problem, if the problem is not fixed, they issue another ticket which gives them another 72 hours to fix the problem, ad nauseum...
7) Bell Atlantics Speed offerings are 640/90, 1500/90, and 7100/640 kbps. the 640/90 is a false number it is truely 608/90, and I have never seen speeds over 525kbps/70kbps (65KB/s) EVER! the numbers that are advertized are purely for marketing and are totally bogus.
8) The Upload speeds are serverly inadequet for giving optimal download speeds. When uploading at full rate the download speed is crippled to approx 250kbps as there isn't enough bandwidth left to send back the ACKs. The 1500/90 service is even more crippled, you'll never EVER get the 1500kbps download speed under any circumstances at the 70kbps upload speed isn't large enough to sustain this.
I could go on forever... Just go to dslreports.com and research your options, but please don't think that if you deal with BA exclusively you'll only be dealing with one entity. This is simply not true.
Capunet is my future DSL provider, just waiting for COVAD to hook me up up at the CO
bpd
Aslo I know for a fact that Sprint uses CellularONE's cell sites in the Washington Metro area. They simply buy the capacity from CellularONE. I am sure they have similar agreements with other providers throughout the country.
bpd
when it comes to the wireless market its all about the footprint. I am sure BA looked at their current network makup closly and weighed their choice on that. Its all about whose got the Cell Sites and Where. The networking can be overhauled over time and the networking infrastructure remapped but putting up new towers/stations is a time consuming process. It is easier to buy an existing network then it is to apply with all the regulaatory agencies and state/local gov'ts to put up a new site. Then you have zoning restrictions, enviromental impact studies and the lot. too much hassle.
BA's wireless network is very strong IMHO. I used to work with CellularONE in Greenbelt, MD (the very first CellularONE infact the second company to offer Cellular to consumers waaaaay back when, I think the first was in Chicago). And I felt their product was superior's to CellularONEs digital offering in the Washington Metro area.
So given the past performance of PrimeCo and BA, chances are their network infrastructure will be reworked.
bpd
here's a bit from there site:
more info can be found here
bpd
Why all the rush to study remote galaxies as such, why not turn our eyes towards the center of our own galaxy? Is it such that our galaxy doesn't fit their parameters that have been postulated to contain a black hole?
I say point those bad boys to the center of the milky way and see what beats in the heart of all that matter. Even if there is no black holes to be found I would surely help determine which galaxies would and wouldn't contain a black hole. Thus raising the chance of finding a black hole in a remote galaxy.
I agree, why emulate when you can innovate.
The one thing that impressed me the most about the Aqua/Quartz engine is it dpi independent. I'm am far from a hardware/software developer, but even I can see the evolution in display technology moving to high res displays where 72dpi will be meaningless.
you think this business lacks any common sense, wait until the pharmacutical companies start submitting patents based on human genes!
I pray before that day comes the USPTO revamps their system. God knows what the the lawyers are gonna come up when the mapping of the human genome is complete.
...I think Netapliance can have its cake and eat it to. What the hell am I talking about? I am talking about a well planned restructuring.
Granted the Open Source community is hungry for their hardware, and from the article it seems that large institutions are hungry for the devices aswell for a variety of applications, Xterminals being the one mention in said article.
So we have two distinct markets that can be approached with two different products, one being the Subscription service, the second being the hardware. Currently they are taking a loss on the hardware inorder to sell the subscription service. Why on earth don't they restructure themselves so that they can sell the hardware to both markets and minimize the loss? It may fall into the boring catergory of innovative accounting but the gist is, if you lossing say 400$ per unit in one market and making 100$ per unit in another your total revenue increases and your total losses are decreased. Makes sense to me.
And in the long run the proliferation of such hardware would be a benefit to the company on the whole. It could spawn a new catergory of computers with Netapliance being at the forefront.
If they are only worried about their bottomline, then they should crunch the numbers. They are shooting themselves in the foot.
bpd
you only suck because you think you suck. Tomorrow is made today. The thing about the computer industry is that you can learn it on your own, and still be sucessful in the long run. If you think that the only way to work in the Computer Industry is to get a degree and be a cog in some company than maybe you do suck. But let me impart on you the most important lesson that I learned from college, "there is more than one way to get a solution".
bpd
I read the article and applaud netapliance's attempt to bring the internet to "Grandma" as the put it. It really is a noble venture and hope they do succeed. But they must admit that they have stumbled upon something that they shouldn't ignore because its not in their original "business model" and thats the need for a small utility computer. They say that they have only a limited supply of the i-opener computers and it would hurt their market projections if they were to be sold to individuals or companies outside of their target markets.
Its a strange world we live in when companies actually reject customers who are Willing and Able to buy their product in the hundreds.
bpd
that entire comment made me want to smoke a joint SOOOOO BAD!@!!!!
Why was this moderated as flamebait? hmmm... me thinks the ego's around here need some flushing out.
/. from the others was the comments, but as of late those have gone to hell too.
I love reading slashdot when ever my cpu is busy doing something that sucks up all my resources. Been reading for well over 2 years, every day, and something sure does seem different.
In anycase I hope the realllly cool submissions and posts come back to slashdot, right now its nothing more than I can find on any other hightech website. The only thing that differentiated
bpd
the Coppermine Xeon PIII's are exceptional aswell, and at a price point thats more realistic than the aged bretheren.
When I do upgrade my Mobo-Cpu's I am going with the Xeon PIII (750+). Right now I am running a dual system and couldn't go back to a single cpu (compiling is slow enough as it is).
When is AMD going to produce that promised Dual Setup anyway??
While it is a great use of "smart machines" I don't think it will go over to well with consumers. Me personally, I would avoid ALL coke vending machines if I knew that it changed its price on the temp? And what if the temp is 50 degrees, does the price drop???
I wonder
And lets not forget the volcano thats errupting as we speak in Equador. Its been spewing ash and hot soot for a week or so now, and geologist predict that there is an 80% chance of it fully errupting. Whether its of the Mt. St. Helens variety, i don't know.
It does seem a bit odd that they are happening alot in the last couple months, thats for sure.
If another big quake hits, with a magnitude over 7.0 along the pacific plate then I might not be so quick to shrug it off as a fluke. Doomsday it most surely isn't but the earth can go through changes rapidly. We just haven't been around long enough to witness such an event.
My opinion on the media? They will hype anything as long as they get ratings. Its their primary reason for existance. Informing the public happens to be secondary.
-- Without order there is no life, without chaos there is no evolution.
I recently purchased a Enlight en-8900... Its a really nice server case, comes with 4 mounted 80mm fans, two mounted on the fron of the case, two mounted on the rear (directly over the atx connectors)... It was a toss up between the sc-750a and the en-8900, but aestetics did it for me. It comes standard with a 300W redundant powersupply but some venders sell it woith the single 300w, which is nice as it leaves YET another place to mount a fan above the power supply...
to sum it up:
left/right/top panels are removable
comes standard with 4 80mm fans (2 front, two rear)
front bevel
can be expanded to be joined with a file server encloseure.. has openings for wires in the case..
bpd