All the OpenSSL developers need to do is check between each calculation, and wait until a slashdot article is moderated at "insightful"....NOT:-D
("funny", now, would operate like a geiger counter somewhere in the western region of the former U.S.S.R...and would probably overload the servers of the world; there would quite simply be no delays in any SSL engine on the planet.)
Not that I'm trying to add to the noise, mind you...
I think more highly of it than minix, or his position regarding that peculiar OS. I wonder what his minix position is now????
'Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce minix as mee-nucks'
Now-obsolete mnemonics...Porcupines!
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Well, looks like "My Very Excited Mother Just Sat Upon Nine Porcupines" will no longer work.
Something more, um, "topical" may be chosen, now that we'll have the opportunity --- like "Osama Bin Laden Just Sat Upon Nine Porcupines and Must Die, Die, Die".
Go ahead and block slashdot ads if you want. I'd like to think slashdot isn't evil, like x10.com.
If you don't want to subscribe, don't. But I don't think it's virtuous to not subscribe, to kill ads, *and* to post saying "I'm bright - and you can be, too!".
Do the first two, and you're fine. The last makes you an anti-slashdot fanatic and you'll no doubt be visited by the proper authorities any time now (knock, knock...).
Just my $0.02. Very much tongue-in-cheek. CmdrTaco will be sending me the usual check for $0.02 at the end of this month...
Much like eBay, if this "core offering" proves to have a solid business foundation, then one or a dozen satellite services will surely spring up.
It would be great to have a music-oriented variant to ResellerRatings.com but for music - songs, groups, venues, etc etc.
Or how about a "song of the day" service, where you got a random song from your chosen list of genres, once per day, and you could hear 1 minute of a song. If I had a link to click to spend $0.99US on a single song that caught my fancy, I'd spend $100 every year, without blinking.
But it'd better not be "just for Mac users" as the article states. It'd better be MP3 without any "encumbrances".
Ah, 386/ix. My first at-home UNIX! I had a Northgate 386/25 (a DX, thankyouverymuch:-)
I'd work 10-12 hours a day, fresh out of college, and go home and hack on that box for another 4 hours.
I had INFORMIX On-Line v4 running on that box. 4 MB of memory! I got tired of loading HIMEM.SYS and EMM386.SYS, and 386/ix was such a sweet improvement in the quality of my life. Thanks for the nostalgic moment, suitti:-)
[Interactive was a very nice UNIX - talk about small footprint. It ran on Intel, and loaded in under 1 little MB of RAM.]
I'm not surprised that there was no community development process. Sorry to hear that you dedicated time & effort to bug-fixing and it went for nought.
I wonder what other OS vendors had the same experience? It would explain to a certain degree the common problems I experienced in all those different variants...and will cause me to give OS vendors a bit more slack, henceforth. Of course, now I'm left saying AT&T was evil:-D
Of course, I wish we had/. back then, when we could rise up and smite the apathetic...
My biggest problem with info - and the reason I've totally given it up - is that it's not symmetrical.
When you reach a node, and hit , and then try to go to "previous", you are taken somewhere other than "previous" - you get the previous node at the same level. There is no way to retrace your steps, that I was able to discover.
I tried, I took it as a challenge (though it was probably the designers of 'info' that were ????-challenged), and I must admit I quit before winning the battle.
The shortcut to pipe info's output - for the whole subtree of nodes - into less is one I'll treasure. I have an autoloaded function now, and it works quite nicely.
After dozens of hours over a period of years, I can now make info work - it works when you use it like man. Kind of ironic, that...
What the other UNIXes -- Solaris, Irix, MacOS X, etc. -- have is dedicated
programmers who are paid to pour over the code to create improvements and nice
custom little routines to make it all run nice.
Strongly disagree here. For years, as I became a
guru-who-knew-all-the-UNIX-variants (from Interactive 386/ix to Xenix to
System V/386 v3.2.3 to SVR4 to Texas Instruments to Bull to Motorola SysV/68
and SysV/88 to DG/UX R5.4.x...and many more) I came to be painfully aware of
the commonalities between them.
'awk' as released by AT&T was carried forth, for many generations of UNIX
versions, and every vendor of every variant invariably failed to fix any of
the common bugs.
I applauded the arrival of 'nawk', where you could put as many comments as you
wished in an AWK script without 'awk' crashing. And, as I've implied, this
was the case on every UNIX I used.
At least my shell scripts were "portable". Bugs on one platform were bugs
everywhere.
Those UNIXes also are written to work on specific hardware.
Now here you (and others before you in this thread) have hit the nail on the
head.
From IRIX to DG/UX to AIX to Dynix (well, ok, let's skip Dynix, that's another
soapbox), the vendors turned out an absolutely marvelous level of hardware
control.
I was able to, on an NCR 4550 (12 processors) detect when a failed processor
board (paired CPU's) had been "dead-LEDed" and taken out of service. With a
50-line C program.
On DG/UX, the logical volume manager - a system interface to not software RAID
but to actual RAID hardware (c/o CLARiiON, thank you very much) is still
unmatched by any other implementation I've seen. Amazing.
I'd submit that OS vendors know (read: think they know) where the money lies: in the synergy between
OS and hardware.
<rant>
Almost any UNIX variant, when installed on some other vendor's hardware,
would be no more than regurgitated AT&T SVR4.
Many, if not most, of these variants no longer exist. I'm among the last of the
dying breed of those who can claim to have lived through them all - and made
them work, despite, not because of, vendor practices:-)
Yes, the Detroit system was $20M last count, and it's basically a flashing billboard system. None of the time estimates are "real", they are calculated based on someone sitting with a (AAA?) map and a calculator:-)
Worse, the estimates are way off - a 70-MPH zone shows "15 minutes" but you get there in 6. It's as if they didn't recalculate since the speed limit was 55...!
It's a big joke, but I understand it was going to be the hallmark of "The Motor City" (20 years ago...or whenever they had the Eureka thought).
Again, dotters (and dotties) miss the central issue - this is a rep for a BIOS vendor. NOT ms. NOT darpa.
It took this long in the thread for someone to ask a question about the BIOS?
If I were the gent in question, I'd ignore all the posts above this one.
"TCP is to Palladium as hardware is to software"
Here's another question:
If AMI BIOS is TCPA-compliant, and the secure mode is "enabled", and I receive a CD-ROM (bootable) from a vendor with "the latest OS", and I boot from that CD, will it incorporate a public key, or more likely a certificate signed by VeriSign, that will be "loadable" into the memory space of the BIOS? I'm assuming the cert isn't available to the BIOS yet - pretend it's 3 years from now, and my "old" TCPA-v1.1 computer is where I want to run this "new OS".
Will I have to flash the BIOS to update the certs?
Ancillary question: If there will be such a storage area, will it be addressable in software? How large do you predict it might be?
And "thanks" for volunteering to run the gauntlet.
Now let's see how many other on-topic posts there are in this thread....
His name is Fred Kowalksii
He lives at 933 S. Coral Gables Drive, in a suburb of Atlanta called Meadow Lake (though I found it as two words, and as only one).
He doesn't appear to have a phone. He has a tabby cat named "Linx".
Oh - and he appears to like Anchovies (blech) - or he (or someone at this address) did last Thursday at 8:23pm.
I grew up very nearby, 20 minutes away. I used to go three times a year - in the 70's, when it was under ten bucks to go.
It was great then, it's still great now. The mantis isn't the biggest anything but getting tunnel vision is simply the coolest sensation you can ask for out of a roller coaster 8-^)
But, what good would it do to stand on them? All the secretaries, and possibly a few teachers, students, and visitors, would be on you in seconds.
Now, you really have to admit, that standing on a principal (not to mention more than one) will make it harder, not easier, to kick yourself in the nuts.
SO, you see, the slashdot crowd isn't as stupid as you think we are!
I'm a bird with the same feathers - but when an enterprise-class machine goes down, sometimes the 30-hour marathon is required. I've done it a few times.
One good one was the "stiction problem" with IBM drives, in, oh, '95 or '96. We had an NCR/AT&T monster, a 4850, with 40 GB in 4 LUNs - 5 2-GB SCSI disks in each RAID-5 LUN. Two AT&T guys were on-site with 6 or 8 of us, as we swapped out drives, & waited for the new ones to rebuild.
It would have been simple and not taken as long --- but AT&T could only get 4-GB drives as *free* replacements --- and of course, we couldn't let that extra 40GB just sit, so we re-made all the LUNs:-) This took all weekend, but that system absolutely had to run during the week.
It's a rare case, yes, but **it does happen:-)
[I remember it more fondly now than when I finished, having gotten 2 hours sleep on Fri night and the same on Sat night, on the floor with someone's discarded flannel shirt rolled up into a pillow!
But it was a great experience, one of those where you *do* get recognition, in a company-wide publication. I was legend after this & a few other high-visibility "scenarios"... 8-]
Rational's latest sexy tools, unfortunately, are win32-based. At an XDE dog and pony show with IBM, the Rational tech at the podium answered my question regarding *nix support with silence...when pressed, he said there were no plans for ports "as far as he was aware".
The older tools are a generation distanced from where the world is headed; XDE has been described to me as part of Rational's "showcase product line".
No, my friend, *you* are Joe Public. [Before you reflexively slap me, that's not an insult:-]
250,000/500,000/1,000,000 - what do you think the total is for Slashdot and Wired, who saw that story?
Joe Public != John Q. Public.
This was fantastic exposure. We need MORE of this. Just not enough to convert it to background noise.
I personally used the JMU web pages in a Notes message to a long list of colleagues & clients in which I succumb to my twice-yearly bout of "active scripting" bashing 8^)
I have sprint, Samsung 3500 multi-mode. At home, it uses cellular ("analog roam"), on the road it uses Sprint where it can, cellular otherwise.
Calls come through at nearly 100% rate. I just don't have Sprint's PCS services when in analog mode.
Compare this to my wife - she has Verizon, straight-up cellular, this is her "home" area, but calls have lots of static, and trying to call her fails 50% of the time, even if she has her phone on (one of the motorola star-tac series, little bitty flip-phone). She gets full bars - strongest signal possible - most of the time. This means nothing, of course.
The only complaints I have about PCS are a) sometimes voice mail doesn't get to me for *hours* (notification, that is!), and b) buildings (a few specific ones, mostly, that don't seem cell-phone friendly, as AT&T and Nextel service is flaky there too).
Slashdot Mirror
The problem's between the keyboard and the chair...
HUGE vulnerability - you can root yourself :-)
All the OpenSSL developers need to do is check between each calculation, and wait until a slashdot article is moderated at "insightful"....NOT :-D
("funny", now, would operate like a geiger counter somewhere in the western region of the former U.S.S.R...and would probably overload the servers of the world; there would quite simply be no delays in any SSL engine on the planet.)
Not that I'm trying to add to the noise, mind you...
Wish I had some mod points left. This was very funny! Quite nicely turned, I must say.... :-)
Now let's compare the turning radius of a Mitsubishi-Fuso step-van and a Lmborghini Contach. At. oh, 40 mph or 4 Gees, whichever comes first <8^)
I read this book in college.
I think more highly of it than minix, or his position regarding that peculiar OS. I wonder what his minix position is now????
'Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce minix as mee-nucks'
Well, looks like "My Very Excited Mother Just Sat Upon Nine Porcupines" will no longer work.
Something more, um, "topical" may be chosen, now that we'll have the opportunity --- like "Osama Bin Laden Just Sat Upon Nine Porcupines and Must Die, Die, Die".
Or not.
I think you're the only person who perceieved it as a joke.
I need to work on my patter, I suppose. I thought there were enough clues...I think that's my first 0 posting!
Look, it's the spirit of the thing, y'know?
Go ahead and block slashdot ads if you want. I'd like to think slashdot isn't evil, like x10.com.
If you don't want to subscribe, don't. But I don't think it's virtuous to not subscribe, to kill ads, *and* to post saying "I'm bright - and you can be, too!".
Do the first two, and you're fine. The last makes you an anti-slashdot fanatic and you'll no doubt be visited by the proper authorities any time now (knock, knock...).
Just my $0.02. Very much tongue-in-cheek. CmdrTaco will be sending me the usual check for $0.02 at the end of this month...
1 cm = 2.54 in
3.8 * 2.54 = 9.652 inches != 12 inches
Silly Rabbit.
You've hit on something.
Much like eBay, if this "core offering" proves to have a solid business foundation, then one or a dozen satellite services will surely spring up.
It would be great to have a music-oriented variant to ResellerRatings.com but for music - songs, groups, venues, etc etc.
Or how about a "song of the day" service, where you got a random song from your chosen list of genres, once per day, and you could hear 1 minute of a song. If I had a link to click to spend $0.99US on a single song that caught my fancy, I'd spend $100 every year, without blinking.
But it'd better not be "just for Mac users" as the article states. It'd better be MP3 without any "encumbrances".
Ah, 386/ix. My first at-home UNIX! I had a Northgate 386/25 (a DX, thankyouverymuch :-)
I'd work 10-12 hours a day, fresh out of college, and go home and hack on that box for another 4 hours.
I had INFORMIX On-Line v4 running on that box. 4 MB of memory! I got tired of loading HIMEM.SYS and EMM386.SYS, and 386/ix was such a sweet improvement in the quality of my life. Thanks for the nostalgic moment, suitti :-)
[Interactive was a very nice UNIX - talk about small footprint. It ran on Intel, and loaded in under 1 little MB of RAM.]
I'm not surprised that there was no community development process. Sorry to hear that you dedicated time & effort to bug-fixing and it went for nought.
I wonder what other OS vendors had the same experience? It would explain to a certain degree the common problems I experienced in all those different variants...and will cause me to give OS vendors a bit more slack, henceforth. Of course, now I'm left saying AT&T was evil :-D
My biggest problem with info - and the reason I've totally given it up - is that it's not symmetrical.
When you reach a node, and hit , and then try to go to "previous", you are taken somewhere other than "previous" - you get the previous node at the same level. There is no way to retrace your steps, that I was able to discover.
I tried, I took it as a challenge (though it was probably the designers of 'info' that were ????-challenged), and I must admit I quit before winning the battle.
The shortcut to pipe info's output - for the whole subtree of nodes - into less is one I'll treasure. I have an autoloaded function now, and it works quite nicely.
After dozens of hours over a period of years, I can now make info work - it works when you use it like man. Kind of ironic, that...
What the other UNIXes -- Solaris, Irix, MacOS X, etc. -- have is dedicated programmers who are paid to pour over the code to create improvements and nice custom little routines to make it all run nice.
Strongly disagree here. For years, as I became a guru-who-knew-all-the-UNIX-variants (from Interactive 386/ix to Xenix to System V/386 v3.2.3 to SVR4 to Texas Instruments to Bull to Motorola SysV/68 and SysV/88 to DG/UX R5.4.x...and many more) I came to be painfully aware of the commonalities between them.
'awk' as released by AT&T was carried forth, for many generations of UNIX versions, and every vendor of every variant invariably failed to fix any of the common bugs.
I applauded the arrival of 'nawk', where you could put as many comments as you wished in an AWK script without 'awk' crashing. And, as I've implied, this was the case on every UNIX I used.
At least my shell scripts were "portable". Bugs on one platform were bugs everywhere.
Those UNIXes also are written to work on specific hardware.
Now here you (and others before you in this thread) have hit the nail on the head.
From IRIX to DG/UX to AIX to Dynix (well, ok, let's skip Dynix, that's another soapbox), the vendors turned out an absolutely marvelous level of hardware control.
I was able to, on an NCR 4550 (12 processors) detect when a failed processor board (paired CPU's) had been "dead-LEDed" and taken out of service. With a 50-line C program.
On DG/UX, the logical volume manager - a system interface to not software RAID but to actual RAID hardware (c/o CLARiiON, thank you very much) is still unmatched by any other implementation I've seen. Amazing.
I'd submit that OS vendors know (read: think they know) where the money lies: in the synergy between OS and hardware.
<rant>
Almost any UNIX variant, when installed on some other vendor's hardware, would be no more than regurgitated AT&T SVR4.
Many, if not most, of these variants no longer exist. I'm among the last of the dying breed of those who can claim to have lived through them all - and made them work, despite, not because of, vendor practices :-)
</end rant>
Thanks for letting me vent :-)
Um, hey folks, I'm out of mod points. This is actually a *joke*.
C'mon, mod it up...
LOL!
Yes, the Detroit system was $20M last count, and it's basically a flashing billboard system. None of the time estimates are "real", they are calculated based on someone sitting with a (AAA?) map and a calculator :-)
Worse, the estimates are way off - a 70-MPH zone shows "15 minutes" but you get there in 6. It's as if they didn't recalculate since the speed limit was 55...!
It's a big joke, but I understand it was going to be the hallmark of "The Motor City" (20 years ago...or whenever they had the Eureka thought).
FINALLY!
Again, dotters (and dotties) miss the central issue - this is a rep for a BIOS vendor. NOT ms. NOT darpa.
It took this long in the thread for someone to ask a question about the BIOS?
If I were the gent in question, I'd ignore all the posts above this one.
"TCP is to Palladium as hardware is to software"
Here's another question: If AMI BIOS is TCPA-compliant, and the secure mode is "enabled", and I receive a CD-ROM (bootable) from a vendor with "the latest OS", and I boot from that CD, will it incorporate a public key, or more likely a certificate signed by VeriSign, that will be "loadable" into the memory space of the BIOS? I'm assuming the cert isn't available to the BIOS yet - pretend it's 3 years from now, and my "old" TCPA-v1.1 computer is where I want to run this "new OS".
Will I have to flash the BIOS to update the certs?
Ancillary question: If there will be such a storage area, will it be addressable in software? How large do you predict it might be?
And "thanks" for volunteering to run the gauntlet.
Now let's see how many other on-topic posts there are in this thread....
His name is Fred Kowalksii He lives at 933 S. Coral Gables Drive, in a suburb of Atlanta called Meadow Lake (though I found it as two words, and as only one). He doesn't appear to have a phone. He has a tabby cat named "Linx". Oh - and he appears to like Anchovies (blech) - or he (or someone at this address) did last Thursday at 8:23pm.
Oddly enough, according to the language, you can't even reprint the snippet you posted :-)
It's "Sandusky."
I grew up very nearby, 20 minutes away. I used to go three times a year - in the 70's, when it was under ten bucks to go.
It was great then, it's still great now. The mantis isn't the biggest anything but getting tunnel vision is simply the coolest sensation you can ask for out of a roller coaster 8-^)
I've heard of guns being used on principals.
But, what good would it do to stand on them? All the secretaries, and possibly a few teachers, students, and visitors, would be on you in seconds.
Now, you really have to admit, that standing on a principal (not to mention more than one) will make it harder, not easier, to kick yourself in the nuts.
SO, you see, the slashdot crowd isn't as stupid as you think we are!
I'm a bird with the same feathers - but when an enterprise-class machine goes down, sometimes the 30-hour marathon is required. I've done it a few times.
One good one was the "stiction problem" with IBM drives, in, oh, '95 or '96. We had an NCR/AT&T monster, a 4850, with 40 GB in 4 LUNs - 5 2-GB SCSI disks in each RAID-5 LUN. Two AT&T guys were on-site with 6 or 8 of us, as we swapped out drives, & waited for the new ones to rebuild.
It would have been simple and not taken as long --- but AT&T could only get 4-GB drives as *free* replacements --- and of course, we couldn't let that extra 40GB just sit, so we re-made all the LUNs :-) This took all weekend, but that system absolutely had to run during the week.
It's a rare case, yes, but **it does happen :-)
[I remember it more fondly now than when I finished, having gotten 2 hours sleep on Fri night and the same on Sat night, on the floor with someone's discarded flannel shirt rolled up into a pillow!
But it was a great experience, one of those where you *do* get recognition, in a company-wide publication. I was legend after this & a few other high-visibility "scenarios"... 8-]
Rational's latest sexy tools, unfortunately, are win32-based. At an XDE dog and pony show with IBM, the Rational tech at the podium answered my question regarding *nix support with silence...when pressed, he said there were no plans for ports "as far as he was aware".
The older tools are a generation distanced from where the world is headed; XDE has been described to me as part of Rational's "showcase product line".
This reminded me of a joke:
Did you hear about the dyslexic monk? He stays up all night praying to his dog...
No, my friend, *you* are Joe Public. [Before you reflexively slap me, that's not an insult :-]
250,000/500,000/1,000,000 - what do you think the total is for Slashdot and Wired, who saw that story?
Joe Public != John Q. Public.
This was fantastic exposure. We need MORE of this. Just not enough to convert it to background noise.
I personally used the JMU web pages in a Notes message to a long list of colleagues & clients in which I succumb to my twice-yearly bout of "active scripting" bashing 8^)
You didn't mention the stream-of-consciousness blob of text. Paragraphs are easy, use <p> in your post...
I firmly believe there would be no humans with crossed-eyes if no one tried to emulate the great russian authors :
I live in rural Ohio.
I have sprint, Samsung 3500 multi-mode. At home, it uses cellular ("analog roam"), on the road it uses Sprint where it can, cellular otherwise.
Calls come through at nearly 100% rate. I just don't have Sprint's PCS services when in analog mode.
Compare this to my wife - she has Verizon, straight-up cellular, this is her "home" area, but calls have lots of static, and trying to call her fails 50% of the time, even if she has her phone on (one of the motorola star-tac series, little bitty flip-phone). She gets full bars - strongest signal possible - most of the time. This means nothing, of course.
The only complaints I have about PCS are a) sometimes voice mail doesn't get to me for *hours* (notification, that is!), and b) buildings (a few specific ones, mostly, that don't seem cell-phone friendly, as AT&T and Nextel service is flaky there too).
YMMV.