"I see no reason why the internet businesses, whose existence came in because of long investments by the government in R&D and infrastructure, now denounce the government."
You mean, just like every other business lately? Because they *all* utilize the infrastructure, *most* of them are a legal fiction which can only exist at the whim of the government, and they *all* denounce the taxes that fund the society which created them.
Nope, wrong. Individually they each have the right to vote, to donate, to have a voice. All those good things. They could all just happen to vote the same way, etc. but the effect is the same. Why should they get to double-dip?
Also, if corporations were really behaving like collections of people then we wouldn't need the Lanham act.
Wrong. (I can't believe I'm replying to an AC)
Think about it: Barnes and Noble called them out on it *and won* since they have a good argument for the Doctrine of Laches (regarding the NDA's). Which estopped MS from collecting anything on the patents in question. Barnes and Noble were able to do this because they don't offer any other MS products.
Samsung et al *do* offer other products with MS, and to call them out may have impacted their other licensing agreements in an unfavorable way. Hence they folded to the racket.
Barnes and Noble told them to stuff their NDA and guess what? Barnes and Noble no longer has to put up with MS bluffing. See, it depends on the skill of the lawyers. That is what Foxconn is lacking. Which is understandable since the USA isn't exactly in their jurdistiction.
Microsoft loses nothing because they are collecting for these patents. Likely they are trying to collect enough that even if they lose them in court, their court costs are covered by the patent fees. Meanwhile they have effectively sown a cloud of trouble over Android even though they (microsoft) don't even have anything competitive in this market.
Tl;dr -- it galls me, the chutzpah of these assholes!
Of course, the economic collapse and recession are due to those *eeeeeevil federal regulators forcing banks to make bad loans and not freeing the market to correct itself...
It almost makes you wonder how we lived back in 1970. Hint: we pulled the fuck over and got out the map. Or asked one of the locals. Believe it or not, life went on *just fine*.
When you are on the road you should be doing only *one* thing, and that is driving: *all* of your attention should be on the road and the traffic around you no exceptions. Yes I got my license before cellphones were invented, and yes I'm pretty sure my insurance is *much* lower than yours ($60/month for 50/100 full comp-collision glass and towing)
Sure it does. The full force of the industrial revolution was delayed by 25 years due to patents on the crankshaft. Back when James Watt was developing his improves steam engine. No kidding, its a matter of historical fact. So yes, it does hamstring human progress.
"Don't blame the patent trolls, blame the laws that make patent trolls an inevitable outcome."
Bullshit, thats a cop-out. Nobody stuck a gun to their heads and *made* them act like assholes. Not patent trolls, nor anyone else in business. Its just like in poliitics, nobody has the balls or the maturity to be honest and own up to their own actions.
Not necessarily. The old 'scope only goes up to a few megahertz. New electronics is in the GHz range. The old scope is therefore only good for AM radio and audio work anymore.
The equipment I have is from before Agilent. I never had any respect for them, compared to the old HP. And yes it still works just fine. Getting harder to find tho.
Does anyone else remember when HP was run by engineers? I do. Back then, people wanted to buy their products and wanted to buy their stock. This is a direct hint to HP.
Wish I had kept some of my old test gear, HP-201 audio generator, a spectrum analyzer, etc etc... still have the Tektronix scope tho. 50 years later and it still works fine. (used to do a lot of audio work)
I call BS. States that recieve federal funds for things like medicaid have to adhere to the federal income guidelines for eligibility. Which is why In NY I can make 20K before taxes and still not be eligible for food, utilities, *or* medicaid.
Yeah, I know... see my comment above. Can't wait till it all implodes. I'm actually about 400 miles from NYC thank ghod. Did you know that NY sends more money to the Feds than it gets back? About 30% more. The feds give that money to the red states... you know, the ones that are lifting themselves up by the bootstraps.
Yeah, I know. Dumbest thing I ever did was move back here. Thing is I got family in the area and that's not about to change. I actually hope and pray to ghod that NYC has an earthquake or somethig because the rest of us, in the rest of the state, are sick and tired of paying for their asses.
AMEN and I *hope* somebody mods you up. You would have had all my points if I had them.
I would only add, that "excuses" sound like somebody is trying to dodge their personal responsibility for their actions. Which is exactly what they are doing, and it should not be tolerated in any part of society. Its what got us into the economic collapse, various wars, etc.
I don't know if it's hilarious or frightening that they did this with default words. I *do* wonder if they;re going to get into some trouble for doing this tho. You could make some serious money off a botnet like that.
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"I see no reason why the internet businesses, whose existence came in because of long investments by the government in R&D and infrastructure, now denounce the government."
You mean, just like every other business lately? Because they *all* utilize the infrastructure, *most* of them are a legal fiction which can only exist at the whim of the government, and they *all* denounce the taxes that fund the society which created them.
Ingrates.
Nope, wrong. Individually they each have the right to vote, to donate, to have a voice. All those good things. They could all just happen to vote the same way, etc. but the effect is the same. Why should they get to double-dip?
Also, if corporations were really behaving like collections of people then we wouldn't need the Lanham act.
Wrong. (I can't believe I'm replying to an AC) Think about it: Barnes and Noble called them out on it *and won* since they have a good argument for the Doctrine of Laches (regarding the NDA's). Which estopped MS from collecting anything on the patents in question. Barnes and Noble were able to do this because they don't offer any other MS products. Samsung et al *do* offer other products with MS, and to call them out may have impacted their other licensing agreements in an unfavorable way. Hence they folded to the racket.
Wait, what the FUCK...
Since when does the Defense Dept. need another source of funding? Don't they have their *own* research capability via DARPA?
Also_ this clown needs to be gotten OUT of politics ASAP. Well actually that would be a beginniong.
Barnes and Noble told them to stuff their NDA and guess what? Barnes and Noble no longer has to put up with MS bluffing. See, it depends on the skill of the lawyers. That is what Foxconn is lacking. Which is understandable since the USA isn't exactly in their jurdistiction.
It's called "the free market" and MS lost that one. However hard they worked actually doesn't mean shit.
My observation is that most companies *love* the free market as long as they own it. Its when they don't own it that they start to act like assclowns.
Welp, too bad you can't have everything.
Microsoft loses nothing because they are collecting for these patents. Likely they are trying to collect enough that even if they lose them in court, their court costs are covered by the patent fees. Meanwhile they have effectively sown a cloud of trouble over Android even though they (microsoft) don't even have anything competitive in this market.
Tl;dr -- it galls me, the chutzpah of these assholes!
Of course, the economic collapse and recession are due to those *eeeeeevil federal regulators forcing banks to make bad loans and not freeing the market to correct itself...
You can show them goatse in your will. That is a form of data, and they will genuinely grieve after seeing it.
You call it Bing. We call it Bung.
They hate the taxes so much, and now they have to root for the "liberal" ACLU actually doing something to the IRS....
It almost makes you wonder how we lived back in 1970. Hint: we pulled the fuck over and got out the map. Or asked one of the locals. Believe it or not, life went on *just fine*.
When you are on the road you should be doing only *one* thing, and that is driving: *all* of your attention should be on the road and the traffic around you no exceptions. Yes I got my license before cellphones were invented, and yes I'm pretty sure my insurance is *much* lower than yours ($60 /month for 50/100 full comp-collision glass and towing)
Sure it does. The full force of the industrial revolution was delayed by 25 years due to patents on the crankshaft. Back when James Watt was developing his improves steam engine. No kidding, its a matter of historical fact. So yes, it does hamstring human progress.
"Don't blame the patent trolls, blame the laws that make patent trolls an inevitable outcome."
Bullshit, thats a cop-out. Nobody stuck a gun to their heads and *made* them act like assholes. Not patent trolls, nor anyone else in business. Its just like in poliitics, nobody has the balls or the maturity to be honest and own up to their own actions.
Not necessarily. The old 'scope only goes up to a few megahertz. New electronics is in the GHz range. The old scope is therefore only good for AM radio and audio work anymore.
The equipment I have is from before Agilent. I never had any respect for them, compared to the old HP. And yes it still works just fine. Getting harder to find tho.
Does anyone else remember when HP was run by engineers? I do. Back then, people wanted to buy their products and wanted to buy their stock. This is a direct hint to HP.
Wish I had kept some of my old test gear, HP-201 audio generator, a spectrum analyzer, etc etc... still have the Tektronix scope tho. 50 years later and it still works fine. (used to do a lot of audio work)
I call BS. States that recieve federal funds for things like medicaid have to adhere to the federal income guidelines for eligibility. Which is why In NY I can make 20K before taxes and still not be eligible for food, utilities, *or* medicaid.
Yeah, I know... see my comment above. Can't wait till it all implodes. I'm actually about 400 miles from NYC thank ghod. Did you know that NY sends more money to the Feds than it gets back? About 30% more. The feds give that money to the red states... you know, the ones that are lifting themselves up by the bootstraps.
Yeah, I know. Dumbest thing I ever did was move back here. Thing is I got family in the area and that's not about to change. I actually hope and pray to ghod that NYC has an earthquake or somethig because the rest of us, in the rest of the state, are sick and tired of paying for their asses.
Ahhh shit I don't have any mod points for ya, maybe next time... meanwhile I copy-pasted that and printed it.
I *wish* my taxes were that low. The last year I worked, I paid $3500 on a gross of $21K, in New York state. Lived on the remainder.
AMEN and I *hope* somebody mods you up. You would have had all my points if I had them.
I would only add, that "excuses" sound like somebody is trying to dodge their personal responsibility for their actions. Which is exactly what they are doing, and it should not be tolerated in any part of society. Its what got us into the economic collapse, various wars, etc.
The groklaw article wasn't written by PJ, it was written by Mark Webbink. RTFA. MW was Redhat's lead lawyer for *years* and he may still be.
I don't know if it's hilarious or frightening that they did this with default words. I *do* wonder if they;re going to get into some trouble for doing this tho. You could make some serious money off a botnet like that.