For example, free speech doesn't allow one to walk into a crowded stadium and shout fire over the tannoy system. Likewise, free speech shouldn't give one the right to incite hatred of others. What about the right of the others not to live in fear of hate? Legislation of this type is a balancing act, and as a European, as long as it's used to go after hardcore bigots, it gets my seal of approval.
I don't get why slashdot geeks are giving this the thumbs down. At the end of the day, it's one more choice for a hardened geek and as such can only be a good thing.
In addition to the choice angle, Solaris on x86 is there for 3 key reasons:
1) A proportion of us that opposed its death would be quite happy to offer payment to continue its existance - there are a reasonable number of developers & admins with time and money already invested in Solaris on x86 for one reason or another.
2) There will be those who take Solaris on x86 as a chance to learn before they jump in to the world of Solaris on Sparc - For example, it may be better than investing in a Sparc just to pass your exams.
3) For those who want to push Solaris on Sparc, it may be an easy way to prove to management that Solaris does have the advantages, again without buying the Sparc kit - hell you could even sneak it in in just the same way BSD and Linux advocates do, under the radar.
Sure, Solaris on x86 isn't perfect and certainly doesn't perform as well as on the Sparc architecture but is this any great surprise - Sun are trying to hit a moving target when it comes to modern PC hardware - if you stick to whats supported you should be fine.
The other criticism is that you need to install additional tools, but isn't this the case with any OS. These days, Solaris is supplied with most of the key open source tools. Additionally, resources like Rutgers RPM archive + apt-get bootstrap kit along with SunFreeware
make getting a Solaris box up easy.
As I see it, this news has 4 (i/c the aspect of choice) positive points and 0 negative. Having said that, the news is moot to me, I run Sparc:>
Works for me, although to be fair I did hack about with it a bit. I'm guessing you had problems with Rutgers boot strap code? Give us a shout if you're serious and I'll see if I can help you get it working...
Context sensative menus, ooh, RISC OS had that since approx 1988 - come to think of it, it had most of the Win95+ interface since then too - if it hadn't been British it would have ruled the world.
*snip* And yet this is the same Nominet who is riding rough shod over user's objections [nominet-no.co.uk] to showing full addresses and phone numbers on whois on all of.uk (including.me.uk - supposed to be for individuals)ey transparent. *snip*
On the other hand, some of us WANT this information to be made available, for reasons of tracking abusive users. ~90% of NIC publish this info, IMO its good that Nominet is following suit.
I don't mind if Nominet have a big pot of cash, as long as they don't use it for abusive purposes which I don't believe they have.
Finally, I've never had a problem with them - I do contract work for a company that manages thousands of.uk domains.
IMO, Nominet rocks, and is a standard by which other NIC should be judged!
On a similar subject I find it a real pain that Slashdot doesn't support w3m. This is the only site I use that requires me to keep a copy of lynx installed.
Bull, if your admins can't script and expect GUI interfaces then you've obviously done a shit job interviewing for them.
I'm 23 and I work for a managed services company in UK looking after blue chip companies as an admin playing with big iron Sun and IBM boxes. We script every thing we possibly can - its quicker to write a script once than repeat the same laborious commands again and again and possibly make mistakes.
I personally have a bin directory with about 50 scripts in it, ranging from Bourne to TCL to PHP to SQL to perl and I know the rest of my team do too. Using scripts give me the time I need to play NetHack and DopeWars:>.
If these 4 companies play their cards right they'll pretty much own the market outside of the States, and since the States is smaller than the Europe/Far East/South America, United Linux has the potential to be far bigger than RedHat... then maybe we'll see a turf war develop over North America.
As an aside, I think its good for OSS that it has a strong development presence outside the States, makes it harder for it to be affected by the likes of Disney/Microsoft/DMCA etc.
Finally, anyone else notice the lack of Gnome in the key components list... I wish Sun would drop Gnome, I want an environment, not some half assed kludge.
Umm, just the other week I was offered a job working for a UK bank and last summer I was interviewed for a position in Frankfurt, which was a wee bit far to commute and I doidn't want to move. The point is in both cases they wanted Solaris admins, they also wanted HPUX guys and AIX guys, but no Linux... maybe 5 years down the line *when* Linux has caught up they will. But in my experience Linux boxes aren't being used in production environments yet.
ROFL... having an interest in UNIX is not diametrically opposed to having a social life (I go out every night of the week and still find time to play with UNIX at work), I don't as it happens have a girlfriend atm, but thats not due to my UNIX interests but more the fact that I've recently moved to the other end of the country and started a new job.
Sorry, but I think you Linux evangalists are plain wrong. I work for a company that supplies managed services to blue chip firms and the demand is still there for Sun boxes, due to the quality of the OS and hardware they ship. Linux may have the some features of Solaris, but it doesn't *yet* have the track record and enterprise level support that our clients require. The worrying thing is that whilst for smaller shops Linux is being used for low end web servers etc, for our customers they'd rather use W2K in the cases where they can't justify the cost of a Sun box: A few things I like from Solaris that Linux doesn't really have yet... Scalability, I know its not an issue for most of you guys, but Suns 106-way boxes are really quite neat. Technologies such as JumpStart, which make rolling out a new web cluster a breeze. Stable IPv6/IPSEC support. Comprehensive support, from *one* source. A top class architecture to run the damn thing on. I like Linux, don't get me wrong, I personally have 2 Debs boxes and manage a Slack box in Slovenia, but I also have a FreeBSD box, Sparc running Solaris 8 and a HPUX powered PA-RISC machine. My attitude is that if it has/bin/ls I like it, but of all the UNIX like platforms I've worked on Solaris is my favourite.
A few years back when I was at university I got talking to some kid whilst playing chess, the kid concerned claimed to be 18 and we exchanged a few emails whilst we played and then, a few days later I got a pretty heavy email from their father informing me that they were in fact a good few years younger.
I wasn't happy with taking the blame for their offspring, so I sent an email appologising and explaining that their kid that had lied on their profile.
Later that day, I got another email from the concerned parent informing me that the kid had admitted the truth and thanking me, telling me I was a credit to my parents.
I guess what this highlights is the fact that despite the need to protect children, we shouldn't forget to build in some checks and balances.
Typical Yanks thinking they own the internet *again*. What I'd like to see is.mil/.gov folded into.us. I'd also undelegate.info etc, since they really aren't required and just add to the confusion.
Also at the momemnt, companies just go out an register a new.com for each advertising campaign. This plain sucks, DNS is a hierarchy, and companies should be using slogan.company.tld or whatever.
In short I'd like domains to stop being used like trade marks, and revert to their intended use which is more akin to that of telephone numbers. Doubt it will happen, but it would be nice.
The Sun BSM is pretty cool, think truss (strace for the Linux kids) to log file for all processes run by any user. And those kids think that ln -s/dev/null.bash_history (etc) will stop me watching them:> Muhahaha!
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For example, free speech doesn't allow one to walk into a crowded stadium and shout fire over the tannoy system. Likewise, free speech shouldn't give one the right to incite hatred of others. What about the right of the others not to live in fear of hate? Legislation of this type is a balancing act, and as a European, as long as it's used to go after hardcore bigots, it gets my seal of approval.
Hrm.... no packet sniffer?
/usr/sbin/snoop
[root@localhost]$ whatis snoop
snoop snoop (1m) - capture and inspect network packets
[root@localhost]$ which snoop
And thats been there since at least Solaris 7.
Try checking your facts...
I don't get why slashdot geeks are giving this the thumbs down. At the end of the day, it's one more choice for a hardened geek and as such can only be a good thing.
:>
In addition to the choice angle, Solaris on x86 is there for 3 key reasons:
1) A proportion of us that opposed its death would be quite happy to offer payment to continue its existance - there are a reasonable number of developers & admins with time and money already invested in Solaris on x86 for one reason or another.
2) There will be those who take Solaris on x86 as a chance to learn before they jump in to the world of Solaris on Sparc - For example, it may be better than investing in a Sparc just to pass your exams.
3) For those who want to push Solaris on Sparc, it may be an easy way to prove to management that Solaris does have the advantages, again without buying the Sparc kit - hell you could even sneak it in in just the same way BSD and Linux advocates do, under the radar.
Sure, Solaris on x86 isn't perfect and certainly doesn't perform as well as on the Sparc architecture but is this any great surprise - Sun are trying to hit a moving target when it comes to modern PC hardware - if you stick to whats supported you should be fine.
The other criticism is that you need to install additional tools, but isn't this the case with any OS. These days, Solaris is supplied with most of the key open source tools. Additionally, resources like Rutgers RPM archive + apt-get bootstrap kit along with SunFreeware make getting a Solaris box up easy.
As I see it, this news has 4 (i/c the aspect of choice) positive points and 0 negative. Having said that, the news is moot to me, I run Sparc
Works for me, although to be fair I did hack about with it a bit. I'm guessing you had problems with Rutgers boot strap code? Give us a shout if you're serious and I'll see if I can help you get it working...
Context sensative menus, ooh, RISC OS had that since approx 1988 - come to think of it, it had most of the Win95+ interface since then too - if it hadn't been British it would have ruled the world.
*snip* And yet this is the same Nominet who is riding rough shod over user's objections [nominet-no.co.uk] to showing full addresses and phone numbers on whois on all of .uk (including .me.uk - supposed to be for individuals)ey transparent. *snip*
.uk domains.
On the other hand, some of us WANT this information to be made available, for reasons of tracking abusive users. ~90% of NIC publish this info, IMO its good that Nominet is following suit.
I don't mind if Nominet have a big pot of cash, as long as they don't use it for abusive purposes which I don't believe they have.
Finally, I've never had a problem with them - I do contract work for a company that manages thousands of
IMO, Nominet rocks, and is a standard by which other NIC should be judged!
On a similar subject I find it a real pain that Slashdot doesn't support w3m. This is the only site I use that requires me to keep a copy of lynx installed.
Bull, if your admins can't script and expect GUI interfaces then you've obviously done a shit job interviewing for them.
:>.
I'm 23 and I work for a managed services company in UK looking after blue chip companies as an admin playing with big iron Sun and IBM boxes. We script every thing we possibly can - its quicker to write a script once than repeat the same laborious commands again and again and possibly make mistakes.
I personally have a bin directory with about 50 scripts in it, ranging from Bourne to TCL to PHP to SQL to perl and I know the rest of my team do too. Using scripts give me the time I need to play NetHack and DopeWars
If these 4 companies play their cards right they'll pretty much own the market outside of the States, and since the States is smaller than the Europe/Far East/South America, United Linux has the potential to be far bigger than RedHat... then maybe we'll see a turf war develop over North America. As an aside, I think its good for OSS that it has a strong development presence outside the States, makes it harder for it to be affected by the likes of Disney/Microsoft/DMCA etc. Finally, anyone else notice the lack of Gnome in the key components list... I wish Sun would drop Gnome, I want an environment, not some half assed kludge.
Umm, just the other week I was offered a job working for a UK bank and last summer I was interviewed for a position in Frankfurt, which was a wee bit far to commute and I doidn't want to move. The point is in both cases they wanted Solaris admins, they also wanted HPUX guys and AIX guys, but no Linux... maybe 5 years down the line *when* Linux has caught up they will. But in my experience Linux boxes aren't being used in production environments yet.
ROFL... having an interest in UNIX is not diametrically opposed to having a social life (I go out every night of the week and still find time to play with UNIX at work), I don't as it happens have a girlfriend atm, but thats not due to my UNIX interests but more the fact that I've recently moved to the other end of the country and started a new job.
Sorry, but I think you Linux evangalists are plain wrong. I work for a company that supplies managed services to blue chip firms and the demand is still there for Sun boxes, due to the quality of the OS and hardware they ship. Linux may have the some features of Solaris, but it doesn't *yet* have the track record and enterprise level support that our clients require. The worrying thing is that whilst for smaller shops Linux is being used for low end web servers etc, for our customers they'd rather use W2K in the cases where they can't justify the cost of a Sun box : /bin/ls I like it, but of all the UNIX like platforms I've worked on Solaris is my favourite.
A few things I like from Solaris that Linux doesn't really have yet... Scalability, I know its not an issue for most of you guys, but Suns 106-way boxes are really quite neat. Technologies such as JumpStart, which make rolling out a new web cluster a breeze. Stable IPv6/IPSEC support. Comprehensive support, from *one* source. A top class architecture to run the damn thing on.
I like Linux, don't get me wrong, I personally have 2 Debs boxes and manage a Slack box in Slovenia, but I also have a FreeBSD box, Sparc running Solaris 8 and a HPUX powered PA-RISC machine.
My attitude is that if it has
A few years back when I was at university I got talking to some kid whilst playing chess, the kid concerned claimed to be 18 and we exchanged a few emails whilst we played and then, a few days later I got a pretty heavy email from their father informing me that they were in fact a good few years younger.
I wasn't happy with taking the blame for their offspring, so I sent an email appologising and explaining that their kid that had lied on their profile.
Later that day, I got another email from the concerned parent informing me that the kid had admitted the truth and thanking me, telling me I was a credit to my parents.
I guess what this highlights is the fact that despite the need to protect children, we shouldn't forget to build in some checks and balances.
Typical Yanks thinking they own the internet *again*. What I'd like to see is .mil/.gov folded into .us. I'd also undelegate .info etc, since they really aren't required and just add to the confusion.
.com for each advertising campaign. This plain sucks, DNS is a hierarchy, and companies should be using slogan.company.tld or whatever.
Also at the momemnt, companies just go out an register a new
In short I'd like domains to stop being used like trade marks, and revert to their intended use which is more akin to that of telephone numbers. Doubt it will happen, but it would be nice.
The Sun BSM is pretty cool, think truss (strace for the Linux kids) to log file for all processes run by any user. And those kids think that /dev/null .bash_history (etc) :> Muhahaha!
ln -s
will stop me watching them