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Sun Works to Converge Linux and Solaris
Jucius Maximus writes "A new change has appeared in Sun's strategy as reported by CNET. Instead of dismissing Linux as inferior, it is now trying to integrate elements of Linux into Solaris for easier porting of applications. This looks like a step in the right direction for Linux acceptance in the professional server market."
I'm sure Sun's lawyers have been over this with a fine tooth comb, but if they integrate GPL code fron Linux into their OS, doesn't that mean they have to release the source for their whole kernel? Or is it just libraries?
What I would like is for FreeBSD to include Sun binary compatibility in 5.0, so I can run my Linux apps inside a Solaris VM under FreeBSD! ;^)
Sun is trying to put Solaris features into linux.
This strikes me as a very bad move. Why would you improve "competing" products. Now addmitedly it will help them sell more solaris machines but given the open source nature of linux wouldnt this mean the improvements could be relatively ported to intel...effectively shooting themselves in the foot.
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"linux is where solaris was 5 or 10 years ago"
says the current Linux evangelist at Sun.
I really think solaris is way way behind linux
now. What parts of solaris are more advanced than
the simplest parts of linux?
Look at iptables, ipvs, filesystem support,
memory support, multi-cpu support.
I think it's an odd thing for their expert to
be so out to lunch, and say something so unsupported by facts.
You can always tell a company is on it's way down when it announces a major push to embrace Linux. Usually it means its products are not selling and it has to do something *anything* to keep afloat. This is not a good sign for Sun.
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While it is better than nothing, it sounds like duplication of effort — why keeping improving a proprietary piece of software if eventually GNU/Linux and the Hurd are bound to overcome whatever advantage it currently has?
OTOH, this could be trying to give Solaris a lease of life while they prepare a real migration plan to GNU software.
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I thought about possible names to give this porting project/hybrid... Lolasis (sounds too suggestive...) Sinux (sounds like the devil's OS... wait a minute thats M$-Windows, sorry) After my experience trying to install it on an x86 machine... SolarisSUX But wait I digress; what impact will this have on their SPARC chips...
Accentuate the positive, don't waste your mod points on the negative.
Why would Sun go and ruin a good thing like Solaris by even considering such a poorly designed and useless excuse called Linux?
So they did the logical step. Looked in what is Linux better and try to incorporate these things in Solaris. I say, way to go. But its not to increase Linux's acceptance, really :)
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IBM's AIX 5L has Linux integration...available now.
The "L" stands for Linux Affinity.
The one that automatically whines in response to other peoples posts. Let's call it "bitchbot". ;)
This is at least as much about Linux as it is about competing with IBM and HP. IBM released AIX 5L where the L stands for Linux - they tried to re-implement as much of the linux environment as possible in the AIX kernel and include a bunch of GPL utilities. HP has got a linux porting environment or something like that which is mostly a port of glibc and headers plus utilities to HP-UX 11i. All three vendors have the same goal, to keep their proprietary unix from being completely replaced by linux.
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perhaps they have found that porting GNOME to solaris was more difficult than it could be and have decided to intigrate features of the GNU/Linux OS into Solaris in the spots that made it tough.
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IBM did this with AIX a year or so ago, for 5L. You can (theoretically) compile any Linux application on AIX without any source code modification, and 5L ships with tons of Linux/GNU tools now, a lot of which are installed by default. Linux is suddenly (and rather quickly) becoming more than just a buzzword in the Real World (i.e. not just Internet companies.)
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This is like saying that MacOSX has opened doors for *BSD in the graphics art niche. Technically, it has but most of the people using it don't care and see it as 'Mac'. Same thing here. 90% of their customers will just upgrade to the new rev of Solaris and the fact that it has something to do with Linux will be almost completely ignored. No more than 1 bullet in the sales pamphlet.
As a first step, they might make their system calls and programs have the same interface (parameters) than Linux.
should stick to Java. I mean their ultra sparc processors and hardware are all great. I would love to have an ultra 80 or a sunblade. But Solaris really blows. I mean, it's fast, and stable. They run it in th cs department here. But CDE is crummy. ease of use is horrible. linux may be crappier under the hood, but its shinier on the surface.
Sun should stick to making Java. Besides their horrendously expensive hardware its the only other good thing they make.
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I have already had the idea to combine Linux and BSD to create LSD. This sounds similar.
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For instance, if you have installed OpenSSH on Solaris, you will have been forced to look into the various methods for getting /dev/urandom or a suitable replacement. After I brought this issue up and reminded Sun that they were trying to get to a Linux-compatible API, they backported their Solaris 9 /dev/urandom to Solaris 8 with patch 112438-01. Imagine my shock that Sun actually implemented one of my RFE's.
Here's the configuration for our largest server:
HOSTNAME: grande, OS: SOLARIS 5.8, MACHINE TYPE: E6500 , USER: Server
MEMORY: 28GB, SWAP: 9GB, PROCESSORS: 28 400MHZ, DISK: Fibre Channel Raid 136GB
Linux can't come close to this kind of setup, and I doubt it will anywhere in the near future. Now admittedly, Linux is hurting Sun in a big way. Sun hardware is damn expensive. But we need that kind of hardware here in our shop, and Linux simply won't cut it.
Sun is doing this because Linux is hurting them on low end hardware, not because Linux is in any way better than Solaris for anything other than skinning your desktop.
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What about the x86 version of Solaris? Are there plans to implement this on that platform or is x86 Solaris dead? Also another point of interest, sence Microsoft has a version of IE for Solaris how long do you think it will be until IE is able to be run alone on linux?
I'd like to see User-Mode Linux ported to Solaris. Dozens (hundreds?) of Linux boxes running on a single Solaris machine... yum.
Is this actually feasible, or am I on crack?
if they integrate GPL code fron Linux into their OS
Instead of integrating Linux code into Solaris, what Sun needs to do, rather, is to implement some of the nicer features and interfaces of Solaris into the Linux kernel, making Linux look more like Solaris.
I mean, it already does in a lot of ways and, to be sure, they'll have to contend with differences of opinion from the benevolent dictators that control the Linux kernel (eg, POSIX threads debate), glibc, etc.
But it's in Sun's best interest to pave a smooth superhighway upgrade path from Linux to Solaris for users that grow beyond their x86 hardware.
Also, with their ownership of Cobalt, they could really make a pressing low end solution of Java on Linux/x86 to build flavored servers using open source interfaces without tying clients into a OurOneSizeFitsAllYourNeeds scheme. Then, customers wanting more complex business logic could opt for slicker building environment that Sun could sell.
The other hardware route that Sun could take is to build an x86 system with the hardware reliability that has been lacking, especially compared to SPARC systems. Linux gives you a UNIX OS with plenty of nines, there's no excuse for the hardware to crap out as much as it does, especially for servers.
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This is the sort of thing where the GNU/Linux distinction becomes significant. It isn't very clear about precisely what is being copied/encorporated, but if they want to easily run software from 'Linux', they will need pieces of both.
For anything remotely shellish, they will likely need the GNU file-utils and text-utils. This would, IMHO, greatly improve Solaris anyway. They already include bash, gcc, and emacs (though they do ship their own shell and compiler as default) and are already planning to include GNOME.
In short, Solaris already includes massive parts of GNU.
Now Linux is a somewhat different issue. Duplicating kernel APIs is pretty new (by Sun of Linux, that is). It shouldn't be that big a deal, though -- there is still POSIX underlying everything.
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This could be a very big boost for Linux. This could mean companies with Solaris start buying Linux softare which in turn means more Linux developers have jobs!!!!
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1) An "opensource" version of the Solaris
:)
kernel with the ability to have more kernel drivers (that will make it run also on my crappy hardware)
2) Compliance to the Linux File Hierarchy Standard
3) Apt-Get and DPKG as standard packaging structure
4) An installer that allows you a better set-up (it is soo anally retentive and has less options... even OpenBSD is easier to setup)
5) Phase out Csh for Bash
6) XFree as standard XWindow implementation
7) Kde 3.0 as standard desktop
8) NTSysV-style Init scripts
9) Solaris Manpages donated to LDP
10) See the author of Solaris Format utility walking on hot coals. (Unless he acknowledges to say here on Slashdot frontpage that there is nothing better than mk2efs+gnufdisk)
If you think that I would better use Debian for all the stuff, think twice: having Solaris TOO as an alternative Operating System/Kernel and community only enriches Unix and helps to stress better development practice (for portability) and research for alternate solution. That's why Unix still wins on Windows
Well the use KDE if you want. Or if you want Gnome. Nothing is limiting you from making it shiny on the surface but you lack of effort. Matter of fact on Solaris 9 Sun is dropping CDE iirc.
I know I will also take my lumps for this, but for big data centers solaris is ALOT better under the hood. It expodentially scales in perforamce up to 72 processors and then linerally up to 108. Sure you can make linux clusters and the like, but for rock solid stability on big iron you go with solaris.
Having said that having the linux apis available for solaris is a good thing. Hopefully this is better than the Linux Port kit sun released, that thing failed HARD.
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Danese Cooper (of Sun) Finally Answers by Roblimo with 175 comments on Thursday May 09, @02:00PM
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question number 8 addresses this.
"Shut up brain or ill stab you with a Q-tip" Homer Simpson
"Linux is where Solaris was five or 10 years ago."
You make your own cynical comment : )
What exactly is it about SysV cp, mv, tar, awk, ls et al that makes them so much more valuable than their GNU equivalents?
Sun has no idea how to address Linux. However, if Sun were to replace all possible SysV components in Solaris with their GNU equivalents, they would be much farther down the road towards a free OS than the Sun Community Source License ever got them. This would at least give them some short-term PR, plus cutting development costs.
I really don't understand why every UNIX distribution isn't making these moves. If I were to say that 90% of the GNU UNIX utilities could replace the proprietary components with no visible effect to the OS, would that be a conservtative estimate?
Sun could go even further by wrapping Red Hat Linux around the Solaris kernel, and scaling Red Hat onto an e15k.
And, if Sun were to take the step of open-sourcing the Solaris kernel, Sun could put an end to the question of enterprise UNIX on any Intel platform - Sun takes all.
Come on, guys, wake up! You're asleep at the wheel!
Note, it's their Linux guying talking. When McNeally gets up and says we're merging Solaris and Linux, then you can get up and pay attention. This is just another step in Sun's long, slow embrace of Linux on the x86 platform. So long as they make most of their money from SPARC boxes running Solaris, I don't expect you'll see Linux at their core. Running Linux programs in a compatibility mode, ala Caldera's OpenUnix, yes; running a Linux kernel on SPARC, as the recommended course, no.
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... trying to integrate elements of Linux into Solaris
I think this is the sort of situation in which Linux and open source in general will shine. Sure a lot of the open source code is crap, but some, lets say lots of it, is very clever and very useful. It comes in pieces, and each of these pieces is the expression of someone who has tackled this sort of problem before (especially in the linux-solaris case). I commend solaris on their humility in this affair, and hope others will follow suit.
>Or are you speaking from your ass?
No, I'm just really angry that IBM shouts about its collection of free software that it ships with AIX (making "AIX5L") as if it's some ground-breaking development in rocket science or brain surgery, when Sun did it first, and better (and still does) with the Solaris Freeware Companion CD, and you can download the packages here
So Sun is integrating bits of Linux into Solaris. That just proves how great Linux is. Now, if Sun were to return a favor and integrate some really cool parts of Solaris into the Linux kernel, e.g., excellent multiprocessor scalability, tried-and-true enterprise level performance, etc., etc., and make these features available in the mainstream releases...
then this might be possible. the fact is that while alot of the basic functionality of the unix commands remains the same, each unix vendor has their own switches and other happiness that makes porting associated applications very hard.
say sun has alot of scripts that use tar, awk, etc but these scripts use alot of the propritary extensions in sun_tar. the gnu equlivents wont just plug in where the old ones left off. this would require alot of testing that can become expensive.
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This looks like a step in the right direction for Linux acceptance in the professional server market.
Only somebody with zero Unix, and hardly any linux would say such a stament. The fact is that SUN doesn't give a damn about Linux, it jsut wants the exposer... Suns strategy is to Maintain Solaris 9 for the server environment, and deligate a Linux kernel for the desktop space. And don't let the word "Linux" fool you either... Linux is a kernel program, not an Operating Environment. So yes, Sun plans to sell Solaris 9 in the server space, and sell solaris with a linux kernel (possibly) for the Intel x86 systems on the network. It is possible SUn may make a distro of Sol9+linux for Sparc too, but who really cares. Most of the stuff that would make me want to use Linux on a Sparc box is now a default feature in Sol9.
The big mess Sun got into when they anounced they were dropping Solaris 9 for x86 ARCH wasn't such a suprise to me, considerign they have for a year now been say they are going to develop their own Linux distro to handle that segment of users. I wish people would wake up and pay attention. This is such old news!
It isn't a lie if you belive it.
The truth is that Linux is on its last gasp. Just look up RHAT stock price for the collective wisdom of the efficient market. According to the efficient market theory, *linux has no future.
I really hope that they do get to a better level of API compatability. We run Solaris here and on the server side they are perfectly stable. Still, I can understand why it hurts developers when you have to look at all the hooks for Solaris in the Apache build files. Not that this is odd for any platform--they all have hooks. Still, if Sun can make some progress in getting compiles more seamless between a Linux Intel box and a Solaris 9 Sparc box more power to them.
On the other hand, you have to wonder what this means for their desktop systems. I haven't had to have a Sun box on my desktop since I started doing Java development and could run javac just fine under Windows (business environ and all), but maybe they are looking to make Linux the default devel platform for things destined to run on Sun big iron. Any ideas?
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Generally however we've found that the cost of open sourcing code for a proprietary product is non-trivial. I know it seems counter-intuitive but consider this: the reality is you can't just toss code over the fence.
Open-Sourcing Solaris is non-trivial, she explain it in her answers. But working on already open-sourced coded is not. It benefit both Sun AND the Linux community because Sun's change will get back to the community and it benefit sun because they have a very solid base to work on.
Sun's position on Linux has long been friendly, since we see it as a commodity unix variant which has been very successful at growing the community of Unix users.
I wonder how much "has long been" really is, but it's not the point. I found it is rather honest on their part to say it that way. The first 8nix variant I saw was Mandrake 6.0 or somehing like that. I felt in love with it and since I had the chance to deploy aaplication on Solaris a couple of time. So the comment makes sense, Linux has a lot of visibility and it happens sometimes that it is what brings users to the realm of Unixes. So, even from a marketing point of view, it all make sense to adopt it. It gives them free publicity because of their implication with Linux. And afterward, it benefits them because they can either sell more Solaris or just more server, even with Linux on it instead of Solaris, they make te buck with thehardware.
All that being said, they had to previously (well, they have to) "support" both Linux AND Solaris and port appliation to both platform. By trying to standardise both, they keep the previous;y stated benefits, and they do a cut in the devellopment budget.
And in the end, it benefits us to. That's is the way I would like all business to work. Make your own business, cleanly, and work WITH the community. It can only do good, both for the business and to the consumer/user/geek/etc etc...
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...But Sun has also begun work to bring Solaris features to Linux, said Vivek Mehra, vice president and general manager of Sun's Cobalt group.
That's nothing; I heard Microsoft was porting BSoD and their instability daemon to Linux.
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SUN kicks the crap out of Linux for VM management
SUN kicks the crap out of Linux for filesystem support ( 3rd party as well )
SUN REALLY kicks the crap out of Linux for multi-CPU support.
Linux beats SUN hands down on cheap firewall functionality. Although with there free firewall its close now.
Solaris is one integrated product. Linux is 3000 products thrown together in a somewhat semi-cohesive distro.
I work with SUN and Linux and HP and SGI and DEC alot in a large way. Linux is still far behind Solaris in terms of the total package. SGI coulda been king, but they kept themselves to small and exclusive.
Now if only HPQ people would get off their duffs and do the same for HP-UX.
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Don't forget that graphics capabilities are still better on SUN. Hollywood is only a small % of the total high end graphics user. I will admit though that in the next 2 to 3 years this could change and probably will in favor of Linux if the kernel can better scale to handle more memory better vm and more cpu's.
Working that way is definitely not a "good" alternative in her opinion, but it's still preferable to death. Sun has a choice: Embrace Linux and its openness, lower cost, etc. ethic, or get killed by it.
If anything, I'm surprised that it took Sun this long to come to their senses.
This move is good for Linux, is good for Sun, its good for IBM it good for HP and it is Bad for Microsoft. When you try to talk to middle managment about using Unix systems they come up with the excuse that there is little software for that platform. And Comerical Developers will more likely program for MS Stuff becuase that is where the market share is, ms is reported to have between 30-45% Marketshare), Now Add the big UNIX guys Combined make up about 50% of the market share all start playing nice with each other, Sure they are compeating against each other but they try to make a better product the the other guy, And agreeing on a Linux format API. Why Linux because Linux is not owned by any company so you are not giving one company a head up on the other. With a simular API style it is easier for Comerical Programmer to make programs for the different platforms so say I made FooBar Server program on my Linux box that the source code can port super easy to a Solaris, HPUX, AIX box it a good thing because my FooBar Server can be accessed on 50% of the servers.
Consumers get the benefit because there are more and cheaper programs available for their Platform. And they can choos the type of *X platform they want to use.
The UNIX companies get extra insurence that there is a chance that they can get repeat business form there Customers. And have the advantage of more software for their platform.
Smaller Developers and Support personal get the advantage of easy comunication between the different Unix systems.
But it will hurt the following people.
Microsoft. Becuase they are being "more" seporated from the curent standards. And being shunned my more third party developers.
Windows only programers. But it is there fault for not following the real standards. And opening there mind into more cross platform development.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Linux is so great I'm surprised MS hasn't tried to use it. Novell, now Sun. Maybe MS is next, or would they just F it up like everything else they touch?? Once companies start realizing if they work with Linux, not against it, they may be spared once Linux takes over the world! Linux is so cool!!!
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Huh? Every couple of weeks, there is another story in the news of some big company dumping their Suns for x86 servers running Linux. Where did you get the idea that Linux is not already accepted in the "professional" server market?
In my opinion, if a problem or software design requires that much processing power and HD space in one unit, then something is wrong with the approach to the problem.
Very very few problems have only one approach to solve. Basically it comes down to getting it all in one package at a much greater price, or hiring some skilled technicians to rearrange the problem.
All in all it probably comes out even in the end - cheaper hardware and more expensive labor, or more expensive hardware, and less hassle.
Linux may not beable to match that in a single box, but it can get close, and when arranged in clusters, can probably solve the same problem with less expensive hardware.
That was really impressive examination of my grammar. Considering that English is only my third foreign language, its not bad, right? :)
If programs would be read like poetry, most programmers would be Vogons.
When I finish the installation of a Solaris box I spend many hours installing by hand things so it's
more like linux. So it's easier to work with.
We're lucky there are things like sunfreeware
Recently, one of my co-workers, who only had used linux, had to install a Solaris box. He couldn't believe it was so bare-bones. At last even the user of the host decided he prefered linux in the Sparc !
Sun's move is towards have these linux tools handy and should bring a more complete solaris installation.
Solaris' /proc is just like /proc has been on many systems. It's a filesystem designed to show you process information. Linux's /proc has always been an irritating thing for me. On Solaris, NetBSD, IRIX, etc... I can cd into /proc and see processes. That's all that's there, as one would expect by a filesystem named *procfs* and documented as ``process information pseudo-filesystem.''
/proc it's *separate*.
/proc and doing ``for i in *'' usually. I suppose I could assume that anything that starts with a number is a PID or whatever, but I just don't believe it makes sense to mix all that crap together, and then claim that Linux's is ``better'' than all the rest because they put a lot of incompatible crap in it.
NetBSD has kernfs which, while it doesn't have all of the info found in Linux's
For example, I often want to do something over a all processes in a Solaris machine (check for fd leaks or whatever). I do it by cding into
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Gee, adding Linux compatibility to a proprietary Unix. Isn't that exactly what Big Blue has done with AIX 5L?
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I'm running KDE on AIX (4.3.3 with Linux library extensions installed, not even running AIX 5L yet) and it works great on my RS6000/p660 (4GB memory, 182GB SSA array, quad 750MHz processors (copper, RS64-IV w/8MB cache each). I still run CDE at the system console, just because it's quick and simple, but all my user sessions run KDE for the desktop window manager.
That was an incredibly civil response to my juvenile posturing. Considering that my nick is "Pluralization Troll" I will attempt to elicit harsher responses in the future.
To me, grep -e "'s" is like Batman scanning Gotham's skyline for the Bat Signal.
Now please take your good SUN Solaris and open it up and stuf it into the Linux Community, why do you need an OS when you sell hardware, ditch the OS and sell Hardware.
I know this doesnt make any good sence, but never the less we need to work together to make a better world =P
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Sorry, but I think you Linux evangalists are plain wrong. I work for a company that supplies managed services to blue chip firms and the demand is still there for Sun boxes, due to the quality of the OS and hardware they ship. Linux may have the some features of Solaris, but it doesn't *yet* have the track record and enterprise level support that our clients require. The worrying thing is that whilst for smaller shops Linux is being used for low end web servers etc, for our customers they'd rather use W2K in the cases where they can't justify the cost of a Sun box : /bin/ls I like it, but of all the UNIX like platforms I've worked on Solaris is my favourite.
A few things I like from Solaris that Linux doesn't really have yet... Scalability, I know its not an issue for most of you guys, but Suns 106-way boxes are really quite neat. Technologies such as JumpStart, which make rolling out a new web cluster a breeze. Stable IPv6/IPSEC support. Comprehensive support, from *one* source. A top class architecture to run the damn thing on.
I like Linux, don't get me wrong, I personally have 2 Debs boxes and manage a Slack box in Slovenia, but I also have a FreeBSD box, Sparc running Solaris 8 and a HPUX powered PA-RISC machine.
My attitude is that if it has
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I think I just cracked my funny bone man! Stop!
This story is so funny I'm currently thinking of raising my filter to higher than 2 so I never have to read such lame crap again.
Winolaris. This is truly dull.
I cannot disagree more. Both with the contents of what you say and with the tone of your response (there is no need to say moron simply because you dissagree). The point is: DO YOU REALLY THINK Gnome and KDE are FRONT ENDS ?. This is not the case. The desktop environments are NOT front ends to the kernel. They run on top of it, which is a different thing. Some of the software distributed with in these environments could qualify as front-end (for example CD burners, which are mainly front ends to cdrecord), but please !.
( As for whoever moderated your message: someone insulting another poster should be modded as flamebait)
It is interesting to see that Linux and Unix will be joining forces. If you join that with the XServer license fees, quoted below for your convenience, it gets kinda scary for the expensive Microsoft server license deparment:
No per-user "taxes"
The only reason many businesses still use the buggy single user Win98 is because NT has very pricey licensing fees and is not as easy to use. Windows 2000 is changing that, but it still needs a lot of horsepower that companies can't afford yet. Just my 2 cents.
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I know this is completely offtopic, but I can't believe my eyes.
.NET on the slashdot page I see before me!
/.ers who are reading comments about Linux and Solaris?!
There is a banner ad for Microsoft Visual Studio
Does MS know that they are paying to be laughed at by thousands of
This stifles competition from other OEM shells when Bourne is the root shell.
Also Sun Micro is practically notifying Crackers and Cyber criminals about security issues in bug notices and regular updates.
Security bugs should be kept private until the Company deems it necessary to take action.
Thankfully the current political administration is sufficiently Luddite and will step in a correct these inequities.
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So, what is Sun actually going to do? Are they going to make their headers 100% identical to Linux? What other interfaces are they going to support? Is there going to be a /proc and a devfs?
And I was worried that you were losing your edge! You certainly have slipped from your previous level of performance on that analysis. Don't wory, there are many rooting for your comeback!
The new version of Solaris, 2.9, will have GNOME as the default GUI, that's why they've given so much code back to GNOME for useability, gloss, etc. recently. Due sometime this summer, IIRC.
Read the article. They're improving compatibility for native compilation, so the source code needs less work. While binary compatibility is not a bad thing, it's much more limited. Linux hasn't had much use for ELF lately, for example. Binary translation ages. Source code doesn't.
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Not bad at all really. I mean, it did stink. But so many natives stink worse. So not bad really.
" The new version of Solaris, 2.9, will have GNOME as the default GUI, that's why they've given so much code back to GNOME for useability, gloss, etc. recently. Due sometime this summer, IIRC."
It won't have GNOME as the default GUI initially, it will be CDE. GNOME 2 won't be included until it is ready, probably in the December time frame.
heh Tourettes Troll, classic
you should however not direct your profanity along the lines of your statement
to be a true Tourettes Troll your profanity should be a statement within itself FUCK ARSETITS
but you sure don't make a decent argument....
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> XSun is based on the X-server from X11 and thus contains all problems/bugs that one has.
you forget about all the problems you introduce by addapting the original code
> So if something is an open standard, it sucks by definition?
eeuhm that's not what the parent claimed. He just said that the hardware provided by sun ain't better than those from other manifactures because
the hardware is standarized.
> My main interest in Sun and Solaris is the nice technology Linux still cannot compare to. From the few things I've heared from the upcoming Solaris 9, it's going to be great
eeuh and now you state solaris is superior because all of the things
that will be in there in the next release
really if you try to make a point give some decent examples.
Actually, I'm quite curious -- what do you guys need that monster machine for. You don't have to give away everything, but I can't really imagine too many uses for something that heavy. (esp. that couldn't be done with a more distributed architecture)
there is no thing
what else could you want?
It's not only that Solaris supports (in general) bigger hardware than Linux.
What about high availability features in Linux? Does Linux support Sun's Service Processors on the Fire 15k? Dynamic domain reconfiguration?
What about ACL support? What about C2 Security, or even B1 Trusted Operating Systems like Trusted Solaris? Is there something equivalent on Linux?
Yes, Solaris *IS* superior in many things - it just depends on whether you need all these things or not.
Personally, I like Linux and it's really fine for small- and medium-size webservers, but sometimes it is a good idea to make use of ACL support, Role Based Access Control or even B1 security, especially when you have got credit card numbers or something like that on your disk.
I hate to nitpick, but http://news.google.com/news?q=linux is shorter, and therefore is all you need. In other words, you don't need "hl=en".
Yes most of the 2000 packages that come preinstalled with your Linux distro can be obtained or source compiled for Solaris, including the GUI stuff you prefer. But it's a lot of work. Why do the work when PC hardware is better for a desktop in the first place?