Planet 8? I think I'm gonna shop for a thick coat first.
Don't know about you but these books have made a huge impression on me. As well as a lot of her other work. I hope mrs Lessing gets the Man Booker prize!
You were misquoting. The phrase "Ubuntu's sister project" links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe, which indeed is Ubuntu's sister project of Debian's "goodbye-microsoft.com".
You turned Debian itself into Ubuntu's sister, which simply is not true.
You put on a dealers defence: blame the user. I am not a user, yet you keep pushing. What's that about?
You knowingly violate me, you admit to it. The point of marketing is to influence me and possibly set my mind to doing what the marketer wants, whether I want it or not.
That is what I protest to, and that you call melodrama. But you are supposedly 'insightful' and I a 'troll'. I suppose the trade is doing well, or do you do your modding yourself?
User choice has nothing to do with it. Heck, the marketer doesn't want you to have a choice to view the message or not, because you might choose not to.
And so you deny me my Free Will. You uncool immoral insensitive clod.
Guess who's standing next to the lawyers against the wall after the revolution?
It actually seems quite selfish to me to insist on only organically grown crops when organically grown crops could not possibly support the entire world.
And it is not selfish to destroy crops to keep the prices up because there is overproduction?
And is it not selfish to force 3rd world countries to produce fodder instead of food? And thereby destroying their local markets?
And since when is GM-food a good cause? And if it is that, wouldn't labeling it as such be a boon to the industry?
I can't sell the offspring of my copy of Bessy because only the patent holder has the ability to do that.
What do you mean offspring? Surely Bessy will be equipped with a killer gene so she cannot produce viable offspring. The production of new lifestock will be patented and solely in the hands of a few corporations.
There is nothing in these practices that has any other purpose than making more profit, and exerting control over the entire industry.
Why can I not choose to avoid GMO-food altogether? Why will I not be able to not buy cloned meat?
If not for anything else, THIS would be a prime reason to seriously doubt what's going on here: no matter what my objections are, they will not allow me the choise, instead they ram it down our collective throats, no question asked.
Even if the corporative collective would have had a great record of always choosing safety, humanity and a sense of balance with their environment, I would still want that choice. But they do not have said record. They have proven time and time again that they do not care for anything but profit, damn the consequences.
This is not about providing enough food for the growing population. There already is plenty and we should start consuming less anyway.
The willingness of people to indiscriminately kill innocent people cannot be separated from the influence of fundamentalist religious belief.
This is nonsensical. People, provided with the proper incentive and brainwipe, have and are always willing to "indiscriminately kill innocent people". While the motivation may very well be religion, it is not at all exclusive to it; certainly not exclusive to the islamic faith.
some of those people are willing to follow [religious] leaders who place no value on the lives of people who don't share their beliefs.
Who are you describing here? The herds that followed Bush into Irak? Or those who defend Israel bombing Lebanon back into the middle ages? The wørd: sanctimonious.
Are you sure that when talking about terrorists and innocent people, you can accurately point out who is who? I am not. But I do know that the western world has been engaging in very dirty games all over the world throughout history. We have engaged in, and incited others to engage in terrorism many, many times. And we certainly don't give a rat's ass about whatever peoples' freedoms if there is some money to be made.
The western world, including the US, have done their fair share in making sure that moderate parties have lost time and time again from religious fundamentalism. I mean, look at the US itself: It won't be long before the world is flat all over again.
If you assume "genetically modified" is always better than naturally existing, you are... an idiot. That is provably false assumption. Yet, many people share your nutty idea that genetically modified==better.
What is it with the supporters of GM-food? Why do you want to shove it down everyone's throat, even though they explicitly state they don't want it. There is hardly another way more effective in raising doubts about your agenda.
"Internal documents made public by a lawsuit reveal that the FDA's own scientists warned that GM foods could lead to unpredictable toxins, allergies, and new diseases," Smith said. "They insisted that each GM food be subject to long term safety testing before it was approved." http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/sep2003/2003-09-04 -10.asp
Because it provokes the same "oh, well then" reaction as "think about the children" and "why don't you support the troops".
You are not supposed to argue with reason about such matters, it might show the one and only reason for designer foods: to make more money regardless of the consequenses.
In principle I wouldn't be against some limited testing, provided there will be no cross-contamination, no escape into the wild, so to say. But Monsanto has already proven they don't give a fsck about this: their IP in the wild only gives them more people to sue, and more farmers and fields to own.
It won't be long before we can no longer do the "you plant the seed, nature grows the seed, you eat the food" thing anymore because some company owns the IP to the seed, which may or, more likely not, be able to produce viable 2nd generation seed.
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [intégrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
Please read this for more background:
URL:http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/ Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html
"...whether or not it comes with a Distro on CD-ROM...[NOT]which is a shame, as it would seem the perfect vehicle for distributing a copy of DemoLinux or Knoppix."
I agree vehemently. Knoppix and the likes are an excellent way of introducing ppl to Linux.
Just pop in in the cd and boot into an impressive desktop. Lots of apps, lots of games.
No install, no fear of destroying data and broken windows. This has convinced my mom into trying it in her own time. After a few weeks she asked me to install linux as well.
Knoppix should be handed out everywhere.
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The old shit is great shit. We don't want no new shit.
Planet 8? I think I'm gonna shop for a thick coat first.
Don't know about you but these books have made a huge impression on me. As well as a lot of her other work. I hope mrs Lessing gets the Man Booker prize!
Johor, is that you? Please ask the administration to get me out of here. I can't stand it anymore on this horrible, horrible planet. Taufiq
You were misquoting. The phrase "Ubuntu's sister project" links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe, which indeed is Ubuntu's sister project of Debian's "goodbye-microsoft.com".
You turned Debian itself into Ubuntu's sister, which simply is not true.
Sister project? Is that what you call your mother?
You put on a dealers defence: blame the user. I am not a user, yet you keep pushing. What's that about?
You knowingly violate me, you admit to it. The point of marketing is to influence me and possibly set my mind to doing what the marketer wants, whether I want it or not.
That is what I protest to, and that you call melodrama. But you are supposedly 'insightful' and I a 'troll'. I suppose the trade is doing well, or do you do your modding yourself?
And so you deny me my Free Will. You uncool immoral insensitive clod.
Guess who's standing next to the lawyers against the wall after the revolution?
And it is not selfish to destroy crops to keep the prices up because there is overproduction?
And is it not selfish to force 3rd world countries to produce fodder instead of food? And thereby destroying their local markets?
And since when is GM-food a good cause? And if it is that, wouldn't labeling it as such be a boon to the industry?
There is nothing in these practices that has any other purpose than making more profit, and exerting control over the entire industry.
Why can I not choose to avoid GMO-food altogether? Why will I not be able to not buy cloned meat?
If not for anything else, THIS would be a prime reason to seriously doubt what's going on here: no matter what my objections are, they will not allow me the choise, instead they ram it down our collective throats, no question asked.
Even if the corporative collective would have had a great record of always choosing safety, humanity and a sense of balance with their environment, I would still want that choice. But they do not have said record. They have proven time and time again that they do not care for anything but profit, damn the consequences.
This is not about providing enough food for the growing population. There already is plenty and we should start consuming less anyway.
You are misquoting and changing the meaning. It is:
No, his mind is not for rent
To any God or government.
Who are you describing here? The herds that followed Bush into Irak? Or those who defend Israel bombing Lebanon back into the middle ages? The wørd: sanctimonious.
Are you sure that when talking about terrorists and innocent people, you can accurately point out who is who? I am not. But I do know that the western world has been engaging in very dirty games all over the world throughout history. We have engaged in, and incited others to engage in terrorism many, many times. And we certainly don't give a rat's ass about whatever peoples' freedoms if there is some money to be made.
The western world, including the US, have done their fair share in making sure that moderate parties have lost time and time again from religious fundamentalism. I mean, look at the US itself: It won't be long before the world is flat all over again.
No, you are right. It's called the Terminator Gene
This type of greed-driven technology is an offense to nature and humanity.
If you assume "genetically modified" is always better than naturally existing, you are... an idiot. That is provably false assumption. Yet, many people share your nutty idea that genetically modified==better.
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What is it with the supporters of GM-food? Why do you want to shove it down everyone's throat, even though they explicitly state they don't want it. There is hardly another way more effective in raising doubts about your agenda.
"Internal documents made public by a lawsuit reveal that the FDA's own scientists warned that GM foods could lead to unpredictable toxins, allergies, and new diseases," Smith said. "They insisted that each GM food be subject to long term safety testing before it was approved." http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/sep2003/2003-09-0
Because it provokes the same "oh, well then" reaction as "think about the children" and "why don't you support the troops".
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Their goal is what? To provide for the world's hugry?
You are not supposed to argue with reason about such matters, it might show the one and only reason for designer foods: to make more money regardless of the consequenses.
In principle I wouldn't be against some limited testing, provided there will be no cross-contamination, no escape into the wild, so to say.
But Monsanto has already proven they don't give a fsck about this: their IP in the wild only gives them more people to sue, and more farmers and fields to own.
It won't be long before we can no longer do the "you plant the seed, nature grows the seed, you eat the food" thing anymore because some company owns the IP to the seed, which may or, more likely not, be able to produce viable 2nd generation seed.
Monsanto is pretty close to being a monopoly in the world of seed. http://www.banterminator.org/news_updates/news_up
Like the war on drugs, and the war on terrorism, the war on hunger is newspeak.
Caveat Emptor!
For your amusement:
http://www.rrojasdatabank.org/agfrank/interview_o
INTERVIEW OF ZBIGNIEW BREZINSKI
National Security Adviser in the Carter Administration
from Le Nouvel Observateur (France), Jan 15-21, 1998
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [intégrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
Please read this for more background:
URL:http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan
So you would have applauded IBM 70 years ago? What would you call that? A keen eye for business?
Somebody can recommend a good NC Windows clone?
Windows Commander? http://www.ghisler.com/picture.htm
"...whether or not it comes with a Distro on CD-ROM...[NOT]which is a shame, as it would seem the perfect vehicle for distributing a copy of DemoLinux or Knoppix."
I agree vehemently. Knoppix and the likes are an excellent way of introducing ppl to Linux. Just pop in in the cd and boot into an impressive desktop. Lots of apps, lots of games. No install, no fear of destroying data and broken windows. This has convinced my mom into trying it in her own time. After a few weeks she asked me to install linux as well. Knoppix should be handed out everywhere.