Well, is that you Milton Friedman, when we all believed (hoped) you were dead? Actually education is a 'public good' and that is the 'profit' from it. It's the benefit (or potential benefit) to a society so that it is not full of near-cave-people with ill-considered opinions and semi-automatic weapons. Oh, wait...
Well done. I did that on the first day of the Microsoft announcement. Do some fun math (maths if you're a Brit, I am), it will cost Microsoft $26 billion and, if everyone deletes their account, it wil be worth nothing, nada, zilch. Even a partial decline change its (highly inflated) value.
Agree somewhat. But you probably only have a sample of all the possible datasets, extreme events will upset the apple cart. That and the lack of explanatory power are both a worry. To some extent, I hope we don't have to find out the hard way. Incidentally, it's worth watching the depiction (human factors in) a control room emergency in this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... old film, but still rather relevant.
I'm old, spent 40 years sweating over a hot computer. That said, this is worrying. As other commentators on this thread have said, this is predictable and useful in many ways. In the 1980s I worked with SYSTRAN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... which worked (works?) on pairs and the EU Commission, which has a huge translation burden was looking for pivots, even then.
However, consider this, a neural net that takes care of business in an oil refinery (or worse, nuclear installation) 'decides' that it can knock up a much more efficient control language. That's rational and perhaps beneficial, but, at that stage, there's also a creeping loss of control/comprehension in a system that controls actuators: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... Also from 1983, a much cited paper that is also is debated in the fly-by-wire community (pdf alert!): https://www.ise.ncsu.edu/nsf_i...
So, long story short, I'm not at all sure about surrendering control, somewhat unconsciously as a by-product of optimisation, itself (perhaps) a by-product of economics and 'cost effectiveness'. Also, when we deal with neural nets, we deal with the sub-symbolic, a system that is not going to 'explain', just say I did that because of 42. Don't mistake me, I'm not a Luddite, I love a good computer and have plenty at home, but this 'gives pause'.
As far as I'm concerned Android is a sticky layer of ugliness, spyiness, syrupiness and general insecurity attached with sticky tape onto the top of a Linux kernel. Most of this shit is written in Java, the COBOL of the 1990s with it's murky license and endless lines of code, to do one little thing.
Secondly as I've said here: https://slashdot.org/comments.... I hate apps, now a more influential commentator has followed this line of thought, this week: https://medium.com/javascript-... They break the philosophy and freedom of the web, as if Facebook etc. hadn't done that already (as a friend said, I used to surf but now I visit 'sites').
All in all, my old friend William of Ockham: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... is spinning in his grave right now and dreaming of a non-Android, non 'apps', non-commercially tied future. Like John Lennon, I'm probably dreaming, but just 'imagine'...
I love Microsoft, their senior executives, their products, their stock price and everything. And now, with their exemplary friends and open source 'enthusiasts' D-Link they are going to help these poor folk get the straw out of their hair and embrace modernity without exterior motive.
If there is anyone on the planet that is so good, I would be very, very surprised. I love them.
I'm not actually really or deeply a conspiracist, but I like something that Susan George: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fate-... wrote a while ago. Simply put, if a set of agendas converge, there may not be a conspiracy but the outcome may be roughly the same.
In this case, a general undifferentiated thirst for 'data' and 'big data' as the new oil and competitive advantage. To hell with privacy, discretion etc., until there's a data breach, of course.
The second part of this is that I hate apps, they mean fragmented and conflicting architectures and 'no-choice' relationships with your local or global data thief in exchange for some eye candy and special offers or a stupid game. Even if they aren't actively nefarious, they are badly written with some of all (this is an example/sample) turned on: READ_CALENDAR, WRITE_CALENDAR, CAMERA, READ_CONTACTS, WRITE_CONTACTS, GET_ACCOUNTS, ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION, ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION, RECORD_AUDIO, READ_PHONE_STATE, CALL_PHONE, READ_CALL_LOG, WRITE_CALL_LOG, BODY_SENSORS. That's apart from all the documented problems with Android, I'm not sure about the others.
Bottom line for me, this is the same as 'loyalty cards', it's not a very good bargain and one in which I choose not to participate.
Agree, but, for example, methane (MOO!) is a more potent greenhouse gas and (another poster has partially said it) we're pumping all kinds of random shit into the air all the time.
So my feeling is that we need to 'clean up our act' very generally as a philosophy, rather than concentrate only on C02. And yes, cheap solar/wind is turning out to be very important. But we need car-free cities as well.
Agree, abandon port 80 (already done to some extent), abandon 443 and build something more most that doesn't 'contain' Facebook, Google and all the other large commercial players. OK, that's a bit of a pipe dream, but it's good to dream.
The problem with this is that it successfully manages to degrade the value of all the sensible stuff in any thread. I think that is probably the intention. Also, I'm reluctant, for example, to tweet any thread that contains this trash. Again, a win for 'them'.
Personally I'm not bothered, there are stupid and/or hate-filled people in the world everywhere. I love the quote from the sidekick in Rambo 3, 'God must love idiots. he created so many of them'. Before something kicks off about that, no, I'm not religious either. just like the quote. But, yes, I believe they should just be removed.
Actually, just to answer myself and respond to some valid criticisms below, I shouldn't have said 'low carbon', a better description might have been 'less polluted', which would have included 'low carbon'. Politicians tend to fix on and sell one or very few things, they are value monists: http://plato.stanford.edu/entr... whereas it's probably more useful to use a basket of measures, be pluralistic.
This is my favourite cartoon concerning this subject: http://scienceblogs.com/starts... concerning a game-theoretic (if one wants to be pompous, and one does) aspect of this. That is, a low carbon, breathable air, greener world is a better world anyway, so we are right to start down this road, with or without AGW.
Thanks! Actually ethics (at least) is very, very relevant to current trends in computer science at the moment anyway, so it's nearly a 'logical' choice. For example, privacy and big data, marginalisation of minority groups via machine intelligence (AKA optimisation, it's often not really 'intelligence') and, of course, AIs/consciousness the most 'obvious' one.
I had my 66th birthday, a week ago. So, officially in the UK, I'm retired.
However, I still program and still learn new stuff, at the moment a lot of technology around the Raspberry Pi. I'm also a philosophy undergraduate and, as such, I have to do formal (propositional and predicate) logic, so I'm refreshing my Prolog a little, because we're going to do a workshop for some of the other students.
I don't consider myself to be particularly bright, but I do enjoy technology (and learning, in general) so I'm self-motivated by curiosity. My feeling is that motivation will probably matter more than age, if the person isn't somewhat engaged, they probably are not going to learn. It's one of the big dangers of doing something just because it's well-paid. I've been lucky, working at something I like and it's pretty well-paid as well.
Thanks, this lovely song sums it up: https://youtu.be/26Iibcz2lE0 Kirsty McColl in 1991. It's not that far. Maybe the guy who 'leaves it everyone else' needs to think about that?
Well done. My friend and I (we're both 'old') have constant debates about this. We live in London, where there's (obviously) quite a lot of begging. Both our families have also been affected by addiction problems. So we tend to give/buy food rather than give cash, when we do. One regular likes sausage rolls, really unhealthy, but on the street one needs carbs etc. Very often, people also just like to be acknowledged as fellow human beings, eye-contact, good morning.
But, of course, there are also scammers and begging 'organisations', so the only guide is intuition. Better to be sometimes wrong than do nothing though.
Watchbird by Robert Sheckley: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebook... these are autonomous and finally capable of killing. But, everything proceeds via a frog-boiling process, step by step.
I'm a 65 year old Brit and the rot seemed to start when the police were removed from the street (and stuck into Q-cars) because it was 'more efficient'. A person in a remote control room does not have the local knowledge to know that the 'threat' is someone is eccentric but harmless and has a heart problem. Result is judicial manslaughter.
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Well, is that you Milton Friedman, when we all believed (hoped) you were dead? Actually education is a 'public good' and that is the 'profit' from it. It's the benefit (or potential benefit) to a society so that it is not full of near-cave-people with ill-considered opinions and semi-automatic weapons. Oh, wait...
Well done. I did that on the first day of the Microsoft announcement. Do some fun math (maths if you're a Brit, I am), it will cost Microsoft $26 billion and, if everyone deletes their account, it wil be worth nothing, nada, zilch. Even a partial decline change its (highly inflated) value.
Agree somewhat. But you probably only have a sample of all the possible datasets, extreme events will upset the apple cart. That and the lack of explanatory power are both a worry. To some extent, I hope we don't have to find out the hard way. Incidentally, it's worth watching the depiction (human factors in) a control room emergency in this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... old film, but still rather relevant.
I'm old, spent 40 years sweating over a hot computer. That said, this is worrying. As other commentators on this thread have said, this is predictable and useful in many ways. In the 1980s I worked with SYSTRAN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... which worked (works?) on pairs and the EU Commission, which has a huge translation burden was looking for pivots, even then.
However, consider this, a neural net that takes care of business in an oil refinery (or worse, nuclear installation) 'decides' that it can knock up a much more efficient control language. That's rational and perhaps beneficial, but, at that stage, there's also a creeping loss of control/comprehension in a system that controls actuators: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... Also from 1983, a much cited paper that is also is debated in the fly-by-wire community (pdf alert!): https://www.ise.ncsu.edu/nsf_i...
So, long story short, I'm not at all sure about surrendering control, somewhat unconsciously as a by-product of optimisation, itself (perhaps) a by-product of economics and 'cost effectiveness'. Also, when we deal with neural nets, we deal with the sub-symbolic, a system that is not going to 'explain', just say I did that because of 42. Don't mistake me, I'm not a Luddite, I love a good computer and have plenty at home, but this 'gives pause'.
I said I hate them, but you are quite welcome to them my friendly Anonymous Coward. Be well and prosper, as they say!
As far as I'm concerned Android is a sticky layer of ugliness, spyiness, syrupiness and general insecurity attached with sticky tape onto the top of a Linux kernel. Most of this shit is written in Java, the COBOL of the 1990s with it's murky license and endless lines of code, to do one little thing.
Secondly as I've said here: https://slashdot.org/comments.... I hate apps, now a more influential commentator has followed this line of thought, this week: https://medium.com/javascript-... They break the philosophy and freedom of the web, as if Facebook etc. hadn't done that already (as a friend said, I used to surf but now I visit 'sites').
All in all, my old friend William of Ockham: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... is spinning in his grave right now and dreaming of a non-Android, non 'apps', non-commercially tied future. Like John Lennon, I'm probably dreaming, but just 'imagine'...
Thanks, I love minilove too, is that meta-love?
I love Microsoft, their senior executives, their products, their stock price and everything. And now, with their exemplary friends and open source 'enthusiasts' D-Link they are going to help these poor folk get the straw out of their hair and embrace modernity without exterior motive.
If there is anyone on the planet that is so good, I would be very, very surprised. I love them.
I'm not actually really or deeply a conspiracist, but I like something that Susan George: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fate-... wrote a while ago. Simply put, if a set of agendas converge, there may not be a conspiracy but the outcome may be roughly the same. In this case, a general undifferentiated thirst for 'data' and 'big data' as the new oil and competitive advantage. To hell with privacy, discretion etc., until there's a data breach, of course.
The second part of this is that I hate apps, they mean fragmented and conflicting architectures and 'no-choice' relationships with your local or global data thief in exchange for some eye candy and special offers or a stupid game. Even if they aren't actively nefarious, they are badly written with some of all (this is an example/sample) turned on: READ_CALENDAR, WRITE_CALENDAR, CAMERA, READ_CONTACTS, WRITE_CONTACTS, GET_ACCOUNTS, ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION, ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION, RECORD_AUDIO, READ_PHONE_STATE, CALL_PHONE, READ_CALL_LOG, WRITE_CALL_LOG, BODY_SENSORS. That's apart from all the documented problems with Android, I'm not sure about the others.
Bottom line for me, this is the same as 'loyalty cards', it's not a very good bargain and one in which I choose not to participate.
Agree, but, for example, methane (MOO!) is a more potent greenhouse gas and (another poster has partially said it) we're pumping all kinds of random shit into the air all the time.
So my feeling is that we need to 'clean up our act' very generally as a philosophy, rather than concentrate only on C02. And yes, cheap solar/wind is turning out to be very important. But we need car-free cities as well.
Sh** I forgot to complain about Slashdot editors. Total fail as cluster-whinge, as opposed to cluster-****.
Absolutely. Graph theory rules!
OK, I hate SJWs who use Windows 10. They are the worst, not only do they kill kittens but they eat them too. Is that OK?
Yes, for example, Fidonet, something else that's relatively unpolluted but (maybe) a little steampunk.
Agree, abandon port 80 (already done to some extent), abandon 443 and build something more most that doesn't 'contain' Facebook, Google and all the other large commercial players. OK, that's a bit of a pipe dream, but it's good to dream.
The problem with this is that it successfully manages to degrade the value of all the sensible stuff in any thread. I think that is probably the intention. Also, I'm reluctant, for example, to tweet any thread that contains this trash. Again, a win for 'them'.
Personally I'm not bothered, there are stupid and/or hate-filled people in the world everywhere. I love the quote from the sidekick in Rambo 3, 'God must love idiots. he created so many of them'. Before something kicks off about that, no, I'm not religious either. just like the quote. But, yes, I believe they should just be removed.
Just askin' as they're getting thinner and thinner.
Actually, just to answer myself and respond to some valid criticisms below, I shouldn't have said 'low carbon', a better description might have been 'less polluted', which would have included 'low carbon'. Politicians tend to fix on and sell one or very few things, they are value monists: http://plato.stanford.edu/entr... whereas it's probably more useful to use a basket of measures, be pluralistic.
This is my favourite cartoon concerning this subject: http://scienceblogs.com/starts... concerning a game-theoretic (if one wants to be pompous, and one does) aspect of this. That is, a low carbon, breathable air, greener world is a better world anyway, so we are right to start down this road, with or without AGW.
Thanks! Actually ethics (at least) is very, very relevant to current trends in computer science at the moment anyway, so it's nearly a 'logical' choice. For example, privacy and big data, marginalisation of minority groups via machine intelligence (AKA optimisation, it's often not really 'intelligence') and, of course, AIs/consciousness the most 'obvious' one.
I had my 66th birthday, a week ago. So, officially in the UK, I'm retired.
However, I still program and still learn new stuff, at the moment a lot of technology around the Raspberry Pi. I'm also a philosophy undergraduate and, as such, I have to do formal (propositional and predicate) logic, so I'm refreshing my Prolog a little, because we're going to do a workshop for some of the other students.
I don't consider myself to be particularly bright, but I do enjoy technology (and learning, in general) so I'm self-motivated by curiosity. My feeling is that motivation will probably matter more than age, if the person isn't somewhat engaged, they probably are not going to learn. It's one of the big dangers of doing something just because it's well-paid. I've been lucky, working at something I like and it's pretty well-paid as well.
Thanks, this lovely song sums it up: https://youtu.be/26Iibcz2lE0 Kirsty McColl in 1991. It's not that far. Maybe the guy who 'leaves it everyone else' needs to think about that?
Well done. My friend and I (we're both 'old') have constant debates about this. We live in London, where there's (obviously) quite a lot of begging. Both our families have also been affected by addiction problems. So we tend to give/buy food rather than give cash, when we do. One regular likes sausage rolls, really unhealthy, but on the street one needs carbs etc. Very often, people also just like to be acknowledged as fellow human beings, eye-contact, good morning.
But, of course, there are also scammers and begging 'organisations', so the only guide is intuition. Better to be sometimes wrong than do nothing though.
Watchbird by Robert Sheckley: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebook... these are autonomous and finally capable of killing. But, everything proceeds via a frog-boiling process, step by step.
I'm a 65 year old Brit and the rot seemed to start when the police were removed from the street (and stuck into Q-cars) because it was 'more efficient'. A person in a remote control room does not have the local knowledge to know that the 'threat' is someone is eccentric but harmless and has a heart problem. Result is judicial manslaughter.
No, not necessarily, but I don't agree with seeing them in the middle of this particular project. Commercial enterprise, just fine.