Thanks, I'm 66 and notice the same trends. I've worked in the industry since about 1976 and (like you, probably) was around when email was 12334^7ds@somethingobscure.tld and the web had just about started
So the population has changed from the technical and well-educated to 'everyone'. Nothing wrong with that either, potentially there are great benefits. However, we need to have a serious set of discussions and reflections about civility of discourse and free speech. For example David Graeber, one of our most interesting Brit economists, here: https://twitter.com/davidgraeb...
@CrispinSartwell clearly many forms of speech ("pay me 10% of your profits or I'll burn your store down") are not & should not be protected
That's an obvious example, but makes the point. Discussion can be robust without being vulgar too, I actually feel sorry for people whose sole means of expression of **** ****$! (OK when hitting thumb with hammer, of course) etc., they probably have quite unhappy and emotionally poor lives.
As to remedies, I think it's clear from the simple example about that some forms of speech are not protected, so I am in favour of channel 'kicks', timeouts, invisibility markers and other suppression tools used judiciously by moderators. I also believe that, as part of school, we should be taught about debate as a core subject, it's the thing that keeps us from braining each other with rocks when we disagree.
A typical fart is composed of about 59 percent nitrogen, 21 percent hydrogen, 9 percent carbon dioxide, 7 percent methane and 4 percent oxygen. Only about one percent of a fart contains hydrogen sulfide gas and mercaptans, which contain sulfur, and the sulfur is what makes farts stink.
So, really only about 16% of that is AGW sensitive. It'll have to be a big one. Cows are another matter. Even though I'm a Brit, I'm not going to start on the Holy Grail French castle dialogue either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Yes agree. We should certainly ban these tentaculous, slimy, terroristical, atmosphere stealing Selenites from travelling to the US. The ban can, of course, be rescinded when Melania cuts the tape on Trump Tycho, the greatest, cratierist hotel ever.
As they are clowns, they have a clown car, there are probably about 20 of them in the car, total IQ of about 1/2 a person.
Actually that's a lie, Boris is quite bright and, in my opinion, sociopathic: https://www.theguardian.com/co... see last few paragraphs, an evil clown therefore. Trump, don't know, but I fear the worst.
Agree. I'm from the 60's so I remember the hippies. OK, a lot of that was very naive but also positive, humane and generous. We need (badly) to bring that spirit back.
As an old Brit, I admire many of our Victorian philanthropists, some in this list for example: http://londonist.com/2011/10/t... who did a great deal of good.
However the modern version always seems to have some catch, supporting stock prices or products, acquiring (more) big data etc. I'm waiting for simple altruism to come back into fashion. I'll certainly be dead before that, though. All these folks could go down about about $50m and live pretty comfortably too.
I agree, but (as someone who is pretty radical) one can (should?) make it a design objective to minimise this kind of danger. That's a good reason for choosing open source projects that have good community, high and recent levels of activity for example, even if not technically the best thing. Standing on the shoulders of healthy giants and/or helping them become healthy.
The rest is more difficult, that is persuading non-technical or less-technical folks that open API is not open source. Especially when disingenuous firms try to blur the distinction every single day. This is part of what I call 'open season', it's a relation of giving young people (usually males) pizza and beer then co-opting their ideas because it's a hackathon.
I'm not sure that this really happened. However, in the 1980s we (myself and son) were messing around with Covox voice synthesis and input: http://nerdlypleasures.blogspo... of course, we did speculate about this. It was easily within the (rather limited) capabilities of the Covox products. Maybe this was the company?
Off-topic, we used it to read endless directory listings in a monotonous robotic voice. Those long winter evenings just flew by.
So agree. In an earlier discussion, I posted this: https://slashdot.org/comments...., basically abandon the 2016 intertubes to commerce, and start somewhere else, ad-free, data-harvest-free, corporation-free. Someone in the same thread suggested Freenet, I'm not mad about that, because of Java, but it's an idea.
I've lived through 40 years of computing, no (green, even) screens, no email and, for example, modems a rare and amazing wonder attached to a remote batch station. Something much simpler would be practical, lower cost, lighter on compute and do pretty much the same job. We waste an enormous amount of energy, water and physical resources with constant and unnecessary hardware upgrades. With some of the complexity bled out, it would probably be more resilient too. I'm actually appalled, when I commute now, that people are watching videos + ads on their tiny phones. They are enslaved.
Thanks. I agree, I'm 66, been in computing for 40 years and 'apps' must be short for 'appalling'. Most of my younger friends and family think this is 'old person' stuff, but they will probably live to regret it.
I don't have Facebook, LinkedIn or a smartphone at the moment. I dislike Android too, am waiting for a Linux phone.
Actually they can be taught about sudo, apt-get etc. That's part of 'helping' open source along too. The opposite is part of a contempt culture meme, illustrated here about PHP vs other languages: http://blog.aurynn.com/contemp...
So decide that people can learn command line stuff and find ways to teach them. I usually explain super-user as a wizard, great powers but capacity for destruction too and therefore how sudo is usually 'safer'. In the same vein, apt-get is just an install and often it's more trouble free than an MSI, too.
Hi, thanks, over Christmas when I have more time, I'll bite the bullet and move all the cables over. Some of them are even labelled. I have a guitar with a Roland Midi pickup, which makes my life a little more complex than a keyboardist.
Can't help very much, I'm afraid. My main problem (and I haven't tried recently) has been a) drivers for Avid M-Box which have improved now b) specific plugins that I use with Pro-Tools c) Laziness, since I have a lot of hardware hooked up in one place.
I use Audacity on both now, but that's a lot simpler than Ardour.
I've used Linux Mint as a desktop for about four years. I still have one Windows 7 system because of Pro Tools, waiting for the day when I can swap to Linux for 'music'. Recently I've introduced my ex (in another country, support more difficult) and a local friend to Mint. There was a little spike in support in the first couple of weeks and now nothing. I used to get several calls per week when they used Windows, so my 'upgrade' was somewhat self-interested.
At the start of this, I needed convincing, quite happy now, not missing Windows at all. I think my desktop 'tank' is about 7/8 years old too. My feeling is, just try, create an extra guest login on one of your machines to show people, show don't tell.
Agree. I'm semi-retired now but still do a little freelance. A while ago, I worked for BBC, UK Amazon offshoot etc. all of whom were big Perl shops. It's 'unusual' probably because of Larry Wall's background but natural (Do what I mean) and concise but readable (unlike APL, for example). Those that complain that it's 'line noise' need to write comments (remember those?) use use perltidy more often. Meanwhile CPAN, if one is selective, gives a lot of extra productivity.
I went to the London Perl Workshop yesterday: http://act.yapc.eu/lpw2016/ great day out, good community and, as usual I learnt a lot. Will try Perl 6 for something small this year too. I understand that it looks alien and takes some getting used to, but it's a great language.
Not as in 0s and 1s, but as in razors, if you buy Gillette, you have to buy specific blades, until you are tired of the razor. Or as in ink cartridges, especially HP, and Tassimmo drink capsules etc. etc. I've also been supplied with a TV remote that has a specific button for the cable supplier's 'store' so I can easily get more digital stuff.
Of course, usually there's some kind of intellectual property lock that prevents others entering the supply market. I use non-HP in my printer but it complains that they are 'counterfeit', something that's fine by me but may scare non-tech consumers.
Actually this goes as far back as Hobbes, you give up your freedom to a sovereign in return for 'protection'. I'm a Brit, old, and reasonably fed up with this shit. Whilst I know that I can't shut Theresa May's (now being called the Pry Minister on Twitter) government out, I can create (and encourage others to create) a great deal of friction dropping gmail for a German privacy-enhanced mail service, starting to use VPN, and being more active with my public key (not that people use it much, but it's symbolic protest as well).
I'd encourage others to do the same, though it means spending a little more. I haven't anything much to hide, but as the famous placard in the doctors strike said I am really rather fed up with this. Here, these are fighting words.
I started in the industry in about 1976, can't remember exactly, too old.
However, ever since my entry (and probably before) the whole industry has been trend and hype driven. Death of goto and spaghetti (haha alive and well), thin clients (no alternative when there were just VT100s), then thick clients (PC), then thinnish clients (PCs without a lot of power), HIPO (instead of flowcharts), various design methods (Jackson, structured etc), waterfall , spiral, pair, agile, peer, client-server, objects-bad (things that modelled data and code in the same 'space' considered bad), objects-good, object-Stalinism (everything is an object, if you really push on it), functional and we're about up to 'now'.
Then, of course, succession of languages, Cobol, PL/1, Filetab, C, C++, Python, Perl, Ruby, Javascript and now frameworks, Ruby on Rails being the frothiest in living memory. Not forgetting Codasyl, Relational, NoSQL and Graph (Neo4j etc.) until the next thing.
An optimistic view would be that all this is 'progress', but (call me old and cynical, I am) one can make a mess with any methodology, architecture, framework, and language, however ancient, however modern. That said, I'm against most of the agile school because I constantly see quickly added, ill-considered, unnecessary, architecture challenging, and undocumented features being added because "we're in a sprint", this is the current version of 'make a mess faster'.
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So the population has changed from the technical and well-educated to 'everyone'. Nothing wrong with that either, potentially there are great benefits. However, we need to have a serious set of discussions and reflections about civility of discourse and free speech. For example David Graeber, one of our most interesting Brit economists, here: https://twitter.com/davidgraeb...
That's an obvious example, but makes the point. Discussion can be robust without being vulgar too, I actually feel sorry for people whose sole means of expression of **** ****$! (OK when hitting thumb with hammer, of course) etc., they probably have quite unhappy and emotionally poor lives.
As to remedies, I think it's clear from the simple example about that some forms of speech are not protected, so I am in favour of channel 'kicks', timeouts, invisibility markers and other suppression tools used judiciously by moderators. I also believe that, as part of school, we should be taught about debate as a core subject, it's the thing that keeps us from braining each other with rocks when we disagree.
So, really only about 16% of that is AGW sensitive. It'll have to be a big one. Cows are another matter. Even though I'm a Brit, I'm not going to start on the Holy Grail French castle dialogue either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Or even people who elicit the use of illicit drugs. But I've milked it to death now, haven't I? Not a drop left.
how about people who use illicit drugs?
Yes agree. We should certainly ban these tentaculous, slimy, terroristical, atmosphere stealing Selenites from travelling to the US. The ban can, of course, be rescinded when Melania cuts the tape on Trump Tycho, the greatest, cratierist hotel ever.
Yes, exactly. Also, less technical people have difficulties with the different between 'open source' (or para-synonym) and 'open api'.
Well done, me too, three years ago and LinkedIn more recently. These monstrous things are worth nothing without 'we, the product'.
Who on earth wants to conduct room temperature? We want to conduct electricity. Electricity, yes.
As they are clowns, they have a clown car, there are probably about 20 of them in the car, total IQ of about 1/2 a person.
Actually that's a lie, Boris is quite bright and, in my opinion, sociopathic: https://www.theguardian.com/co... see last few paragraphs, an evil clown therefore. Trump, don't know, but I fear the worst.
Agree. I'm from the 60's so I remember the hippies. OK, a lot of that was very naive but also positive, humane and generous. We need (badly) to bring that spirit back.
As an old Brit, I admire many of our Victorian philanthropists, some in this list for example: http://londonist.com/2011/10/t... who did a great deal of good.
However the modern version always seems to have some catch, supporting stock prices or products, acquiring (more) big data etc. I'm waiting for simple altruism to come back into fashion. I'll certainly be dead before that, though. All these folks could go down about about $50m and live pretty comfortably too.
I agree, but (as someone who is pretty radical) one can (should?) make it a design objective to minimise this kind of danger. That's a good reason for choosing open source projects that have good community, high and recent levels of activity for example, even if not technically the best thing. Standing on the shoulders of healthy giants and/or helping them become healthy.
The rest is more difficult, that is persuading non-technical or less-technical folks that open API is not open source. Especially when disingenuous firms try to blur the distinction every single day. This is part of what I call 'open season', it's a relation of giving young people (usually males) pizza and beer then co-opting their ideas because it's a hackathon.
I'm not sure that this really happened. However, in the 1980s we (myself and son) were messing around with Covox voice synthesis and input: http://nerdlypleasures.blogspo... of course, we did speculate about this. It was easily within the (rather limited) capabilities of the Covox products. Maybe this was the company?
Off-topic, we used it to read endless directory listings in a monotonous robotic voice. Those long winter evenings just flew by.
So agree. In an earlier discussion, I posted this: https://slashdot.org/comments...., basically abandon the 2016 intertubes to commerce, and start somewhere else, ad-free, data-harvest-free, corporation-free. Someone in the same thread suggested Freenet, I'm not mad about that, because of Java, but it's an idea.
I've lived through 40 years of computing, no (green, even) screens, no email and, for example, modems a rare and amazing wonder attached to a remote batch station. Something much simpler would be practical, lower cost, lighter on compute and do pretty much the same job. We waste an enormous amount of energy, water and physical resources with constant and unnecessary hardware upgrades. With some of the complexity bled out, it would probably be more resilient too. I'm actually appalled, when I commute now, that people are watching videos + ads on their tiny phones. They are enslaved.
Thanks for the heads-up, I'll take a look.
Thanks. I agree, I'm 66, been in computing for 40 years and 'apps' must be short for 'appalling'. Most of my younger friends and family think this is 'old person' stuff, but they will probably live to regret it.
I don't have Facebook, LinkedIn or a smartphone at the moment. I dislike Android too, am waiting for a Linux phone.
Nope, that was 10-20 years ago in the time of peak neckbeard, in my opinion they've caused a lot of collateral damage.
Actually they can be taught about sudo, apt-get etc. That's part of 'helping' open source along too. The opposite is part of a contempt culture meme, illustrated here about PHP vs other languages: http://blog.aurynn.com/contemp...
So decide that people can learn command line stuff and find ways to teach them. I usually explain super-user as a wizard, great powers but capacity for destruction too and therefore how sudo is usually 'safer'. In the same vein, apt-get is just an install and often it's more trouble free than an MSI, too.
Hi, thanks, over Christmas when I have more time, I'll bite the bullet and move all the cables over. Some of them are even labelled. I have a guitar with a Roland Midi pickup, which makes my life a little more complex than a keyboardist.
Can't help very much, I'm afraid. My main problem (and I haven't tried recently) has been a) drivers for Avid M-Box which have improved now b) specific plugins that I use with Pro-Tools c) Laziness, since I have a lot of hardware hooked up in one place.
I use Audacity on both now, but that's a lot simpler than Ardour.
Incidentally, off-topic, I always enjoy riffling through this: http://linux-sound.org/
I've used Linux Mint as a desktop for about four years. I still have one Windows 7 system because of Pro Tools, waiting for the day when I can swap to Linux for 'music'. Recently I've introduced my ex (in another country, support more difficult) and a local friend to Mint. There was a little spike in support in the first couple of weeks and now nothing. I used to get several calls per week when they used Windows, so my 'upgrade' was somewhat self-interested.
At the start of this, I needed convincing, quite happy now, not missing Windows at all. I think my desktop 'tank' is about 7/8 years old too. My feeling is, just try, create an extra guest login on one of your machines to show people, show don't tell.
Agree. I'm semi-retired now but still do a little freelance. A while ago, I worked for BBC, UK Amazon offshoot etc. all of whom were big Perl shops. It's 'unusual' probably because of Larry Wall's background but natural (Do what I mean) and concise but readable (unlike APL, for example). Those that complain that it's 'line noise' need to write comments (remember those?) use use perltidy more often. Meanwhile CPAN, if one is selective, gives a lot of extra productivity.
I went to the London Perl Workshop yesterday: http://act.yapc.eu/lpw2016/ great day out, good community and, as usual I learnt a lot. Will try Perl 6 for something small this year too. I understand that it looks alien and takes some getting used to, but it's a great language.
Not as in 0s and 1s, but as in razors, if you buy Gillette, you have to buy specific blades, until you are tired of the razor. Or as in ink cartridges, especially HP, and Tassimmo drink capsules etc. etc. I've also been supplied with a TV remote that has a specific button for the cable supplier's 'store' so I can easily get more digital stuff.
Of course, usually there's some kind of intellectual property lock that prevents others entering the supply market. I use non-HP in my printer but it complains that they are 'counterfeit', something that's fine by me but may scare non-tech consumers.
Actually this goes as far back as Hobbes, you give up your freedom to a sovereign in return for 'protection'. I'm a Brit, old, and reasonably fed up with this shit. Whilst I know that I can't shut Theresa May's (now being called the Pry Minister on Twitter) government out, I can create (and encourage others to create) a great deal of friction dropping gmail for a German privacy-enhanced mail service, starting to use VPN, and being more active with my public key (not that people use it much, but it's symbolic protest as well).
I'd encourage others to do the same, though it means spending a little more. I haven't anything much to hide, but as the famous placard in the doctors strike said I am really rather fed up with this. Here, these are fighting words.
I started in the industry in about 1976, can't remember exactly, too old.
However, ever since my entry (and probably before) the whole industry has been trend and hype driven. Death of goto and spaghetti (haha alive and well), thin clients (no alternative when there were just VT100s), then thick clients (PC), then thinnish clients (PCs without a lot of power), HIPO (instead of flowcharts), various design methods (Jackson, structured etc), waterfall , spiral, pair, agile, peer, client-server, objects-bad (things that modelled data and code in the same 'space' considered bad), objects-good, object-Stalinism (everything is an object, if you really push on it), functional and we're about up to 'now'.
Then, of course, succession of languages, Cobol, PL/1, Filetab, C, C++, Python, Perl, Ruby, Javascript and now frameworks, Ruby on Rails being the frothiest in living memory. Not forgetting Codasyl, Relational, NoSQL and Graph (Neo4j etc.) until the next thing.
An optimistic view would be that all this is 'progress', but (call me old and cynical, I am) one can make a mess with any methodology, architecture, framework, and language, however ancient, however modern. That said, I'm against most of the agile school because I constantly see quickly added, ill-considered, unnecessary, architecture challenging, and undocumented features being added because "we're in a sprint", this is the current version of 'make a mess faster'.