Spurred by the killing of a 9-year-old girl, Gov. Jeb Bush on Monday signed a law imposing tougher penalties on child molesters and requiring many of those released from prison to wear satellite tracking devices for the rest of their lives.
We aren't talking about sex offenders here. The article specifically says child molesters and I highly doubt you are unclear on what constitutes a child molester.
Spurred by the killing of a 9-year-old girl, Gov. Jeb Bush on Monday signed a law imposing tougher penalties on child molesters and requiring many of those released from prison to wear satellite tracking devices for the rest of their lives.
Is the readership of Slashdot actually getting dumber? Almost every post I've read has been some sort of incredulous statement about what defines a 'sex offender'. But the story isn't about sex offenders...its specifically about child molesters. So all of you "what if I stop off on the highway to pee" posters PLEASE RTFA.
There are arguments with merit for and against this law, but so far this discussion hasn't even been related to the actual topic.
I'd like to offer a new Slashdot acronym: Grow The Fuck Up.
Sure, because that would keep the CEO's out of your daughter or little sisters room.
Sex offenders aren't "white collar" criminals for a reason. They leave a kind of tragedy in their wake your obviously either not sensitive to or not familiar with.
Thanks, I've got a pretty solid understanding of this thing now. The RSS tie-in is good, but taking advantage of pre-existing technology. The shows themself aren't a lot different then the streamed shows and the bandwidth costs are essentially the same until someone ties the torrent and rss feed together (or something similar).
I read a good article about ASCAAP and their stance on protected recordings in podcasts, situationally its exactly the same as streaming broadcasts. Licensing fees, etc.
If podcasting continues to be as popular as it is (and I don't see any reason for that to change) you can expect music shows to start receiving legal threats and action.
Thanks for the response(es). The prepared radio shows I'll be doing weekly (mostly running a 24/7 rotation without all the extra sound production work a 'show' takes, not that my shows will include chatter...just a lot of extra sound editing) are essentially the same as a podcast, I'd just need to set up a rss feed and make them downloadable (not going to happen because of the copyrighted material and the extra hoops I have to jump through to get agreement from the smaller record labels to allow me to broadcast without paying royalties...there are specific requirements, such as be a continuous stream, etc so people can't easily copy tracks to their computer [as we all know isn't true...but it makes it much less likely for 99% of my listenership which is enough for the record labels).
I'll stick to streams for now, I spend entirely too much time on my computer anyway and shoutcast/icecast streams have worked great for me. Maybe a timeshifting tool for streams would be good for podders/listeners too, but I'm just waiting until wifi gets serious enough that we can leave all this nonsense behind and really take advantage of the technology. XM radio is a nice idea, but how is it better then having a shoutcast ready stereo (or live365 or whatever)? THAT would be what I'd like to see. Anyone with the will and a computer can cast and the music industry has a lock on the 'public' airwaves and is ignoring 95% of the artists. The public won't stand for this one way or the other.
Live365? I have to admit for a full fledged tech geek the pod-cast revolution has slipped right past me. Whats the difference between a podcast and a regular shoutcast/icecast/etc stream? Is it just that it downloads itself to a proprietary piece of hardware or is there really something different?
I ask this as someone about a month away from launching a full-fledged 24/7 net radio site.
I mean is it really as simple as the fact that the radio shows are pre-packaged and can be listened to at the users discretion? Indieradio.org used to have guest DJ's upload 60 minute spots, is that basically (assuming it was made downloadable) what a 'podcast' is?
The post right above your's addresses this exact issue. Diff is a pretty simply utillity and this would be a great idea if they were sending small patches. But Apple of dropping HUGE files and only periodically. Not only that but (if you read the article) their changes make calls to the OS X api's. Let see you diff that!:)
Its not the end of the world, but obviously Zack Rusin got tired of being called lazy or some other intollerable (read: typical) OSS user crap while Apple is snowballing their changes (but playing it like their all one big KDE/Apple family...because that makes us feel more warm and chewy about Apple).
Zack does mention that they are staying true to the letter of the LGPL license, so its not an 'at arms' issue. Just an issue he felt needed some clearing up.
David Saxton put a copy of his blog entry up if you'd like to read it: here.
All and all a good story. I'd been thinking that Apple was playing all kittenish too. Lol. But its business.
Now maybe MAPS has put the last nail in its own coffin. In the beginning I could see the reasoning (no better solution) but as time has passed so has their usefulness, and honestly their integrity (if they ever had any, I didn't follow it that closely).
Perhaps this is the most blantent display we've seen but does it make it any better when it happens in the back rooms of the DNC?
I think that exactly the point. Brazen. Sure this kind of thing happens in back room discussions all the time, I'd even go so far as to say that is American. I'm no silly idealist. But this administration is setting some dangerous precedents by showing that they believe it is ok to use outright intimidation tactics based on religion, politics, environmental science, etc.
In the past I'm sure both parties have resorted to such low tactics, but it would have been unthinkable to do it so publically.
Meanwhile we still beat our own gong about America the beautiful and the pride of the free. How is that Nokia employee free if he can't participate in an industry meeting based on political contributions he made?
And I agree with you about the third party system, I voted Nader. But unfortunately like the democrate alarmists were saying all along I may as well have been voting for Bush myself.
I suppose these issues can't be that new (after all we've had a two party system for quite some time) but when I start to see things like this happening in 'daylight' it simply doesn't line up with my American indoctrination all through grade-school (and well beyond).
Thats why I call it un-American. We pride ourselves on things, our system on things. I've never hear anything about it being American to dictate who goes to a industry meeting based on their support of lack of support for a political party. That smacks of something we'd hear about in a petty dictatorship as we sat smugly in our seats and thought about how good it was to be an American where we didn't have to suffer these kinds in injustices.
But thats just logistical semantics. Their choosing who attends based on party politics. They can't have voter records (at least not let it slip out publically) so they do the next best thing.
Why (in this instance) shouldn't this be directly tied to voting confidentiality? I mean I see your argument and I'm sure its the exact same one they'll use if this comes up, but its a facade. Their using personal politics *against* people. Thats not even remotely American and it goes against everything we've based our system on.
Isn't this just a barely hidden way to use confidential voter information to discriminate against people who supported a different party?
This administration has done some petty, dangerous and even flat-out weird things. But this sounds like a legal scandal in the waiting. I mean frankly, it sounds outright un-American.
Just out of curiosity, why not Mandrake? I've been using it for years and of all the 'RPM' based distro's I've used its always been the one that made RPM actually work.
Its obvious from your second paragraph you've used Mandrake (urpmi). I always thought of Mandrake as fairly bleeding edge (especially when you add PLF and THACS to your repository list).
Your mainly right so I'm not going to sit here and argue with you.
But its also important to note that the two terms sprang from the same pool.
Open source is a term coined by Erik Raymond a figure a nearly as ubiquitous as RMS himself in the GPL/Linux/etc community.
Here's a teaser for those of you to busy (or lazy) to read the linked article yourself:
Some might say that the Open Source Movement is as old as computing itself. During the first days of computing code was freely shared and modified. It wasn't until the late 60's and early 70's that proprietary software became the dominant model. In the mid-80's Richard Stallman left the MIT AI Lab and founded the Free Software Foundation. He and some other like minded programmers were trying to develop a Unix clone built entirely as Free Software. Although many important programs like GCC (GNU Cross Compiler) and EMACS (the world's greatest editor were developed, they never finished the GNU project. In October 91 a CIS student in Finland named Linus Torvalds posted to a Usenet group indicating that he was porting the Minix kernel to x86 hardware (post). With the creation of the World Wide Web, the release of Linux, the prior work of the GNU project, and with Microsoft's anti-competitive behavior picking up steam, the stage was set for the return to an early computer age style of collaboration. In the 7 years that followed what was called the Open Source Movement was still identified as the Free Software Movement. It wasn't until Erik Raymond coined the term Open Source in March of 1998 and popularized the concept with the release of the paper "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" which compared Open Source and Proprietary methods of software development.
Anyway, as I said I see your point. But its the kind of finer points that gets RMS in so much trouble. Its all a part of the big bazaar 'family' the GPL is largely responsible for creating. To you and me GLP != BSD (that goes pretty much with no arguments from either camps) but of course both are more broadly Open Source (so again, your points stand). But to try to get the media to stick to such a fine detail? Not likely. Even the ones that understand the difference have to take their readership into account. Open Source sounds better and is easier to digest for you average person...so you and RMS might be feeling a little (understandably) frustrated...but its the world we live in.
On the flip-side the mixed up semantics does nothing to truly take away from the work of RMS and the GPL and have probably helped it more then he'll ever be willing to admit. It provides a digestible entree into a complicated world of legal talk and high-minded ideals. And it does this while allowing the ideas to play "nice" with other licenses (in the long-run: providing more exposure).
Maybe its been updated more recently, but I've never even got it to install properly. I love different OS'es and the first thing I did when I heard about Zeta making a commercial (and polished) release of the BeOS I went immediately to their website.
Aside from the install issues I've had, is it just me or is the idea of playing money for a OS you cant test out first crazy? I mean *if* I had paid good money for the (beta 3 I believe at the time) and it didn't work I'd be pretty pissed.
I think its an interesting idea and some die-hard BeOS fans are happy about it, but their business models sucks. Make a live disk or something...
Personally I'd rather throw my money away on the Internet Urinal or something with tangible benefits. Zeta looks like an overpriced novelty (and I'm NOT saying it is, but from where I'm standing its hard to get a good look at it).
As a side note: how is this news? Zeta's been around for years now hasn't it? I mean if they'd finally released a demo THAT would be news. This is just free advertising for a dodgy products targeted apparently at die-hard BeOS fans (who would probably be using something like BeOS Max anyway).
Go figure. Wake me up when they have a demo copy I can test out on my system.
I couldn't have outlined what I'm talking about better myself.
AC, you miss the forest for the trees. Its *not* about supporting every single platform, that would simply be stupid.
What it is about is the lowest common denominator. Like it or (in your case maybe) not, thats what standards are for.
They push the resonsibility back on the software developers and we all know some try harder then others to play nicely.
And I'm sure your painfully aware: you can augment your W3C compiant code (hey, its the best you should be expected to do) with and IE specific hack if need be. As in:
Is the web developers. I've had some down-right nasty exchanges by developers who believe that because IE represents 95% of "their target market" that 'standards' don't matter.
A good example would be something along the lines of this (a response from an actual discussion I took part in, the funny thing was I wasn't trying to tell anyone anything about the W3C or the importance of standards, I just asked a question about a script that was acting strange in Firefox, my current platform of choice):
A group of nameless and faceless aHoles got together and declared to the world, this is the "standard." You have to "validate" your code or it's no good, because we say so.
And people like you, fall all over yourself, worshiping them.
In my opinion, only a damned fool let's someone else manipulate him, whether he can see him or not.
Those aHoles are meaningless to you, they are meaningless to your web site, but you are so weak and gullible, that you can't and will never understand that.
Admittedly this is an extreme example, but I believe it is representative of a broader belief that might makes right. Firefox/Mozilla/Opera/Safari are still a relatively small ripple and there are some stodgy people out there who at best, simply don't care if their code works on a minority browser.
Until it hits their pocket-books thats not going to change. The pressure needs to be put on businesses so that when say Bank AAA gets a site built that can't/doesn't support your browser (because of non-standard code created by people either too stubborn or too lazy to spend the extra 3 seconds to create/read about browser-friendly code) they hear about it. Maybe even lose some customers.
Then our friendly web-developer can come back and learn how to fix his/her code. If that happens enough they'll get tired of doing it the old way and maybe play nice from the get-go.
FTR, the code we were discussing in the the above quoted passaged did get fixed, by me and I have about 2 weeks of javascript programming under my belt (and if your wondering about the preceding conversation, no, I wasn't impolite or anything like that, I'm too old to pull that kind of crap).
Look at www.kde-look.org. Theres listening, in the haphazard sort of way (thats OLD school OSS, and its fine) and there's listening in the WE REALLY WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT way.
I think Gnome has continued to push old-school. If anything, it went from a slightly standard GUI/DE very similar to KDE/Explorer/ETC and started trying to do things differently.
Of course the catch is most of us don't want to relearn how to use something as basic as a desktop.
Your (not necessarily *you*) new save dialog is a good example of this. Its user encumbering. And this seems to be a trend.
Any way, my intention isn't to be insulting so I'm sorry if you feel that I am. I'm just making a slightly frustrated observation.
It wouldn't be an issue at all if some many good applications weren't tied directly to the toolset (same I'm sure with Gnome users and KDE/QT programs). But the fact is because I like a number of "Gnome" programs I'm stuck using an interface which I literally hate.
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There are arguments with merit for and against this law, but so far this discussion hasn't even been related to the actual topic.
I'd like to offer a new Slashdot acronym: Grow The Fuck Up.
Sure, because that would keep the CEO's out of your daughter or little sisters room.
Sex offenders aren't "white collar" criminals for a reason. They leave a kind of tragedy in their wake your obviously either not sensitive to or not familiar with.
Thanks, I've got a pretty solid understanding of this thing now. The RSS tie-in is good, but taking advantage of pre-existing technology. The shows themself aren't a lot different then the streamed shows and the bandwidth costs are essentially the same until someone ties the torrent and rss feed together (or something similar).
I read a good article about ASCAAP and their stance on protected recordings in podcasts, situationally its exactly the same as streaming broadcasts. Licensing fees, etc.
If podcasting continues to be as popular as it is (and I don't see any reason for that to change) you can expect music shows to start receiving legal threats and action.
Thanks for the response(es). The prepared radio shows I'll be doing weekly (mostly running a 24/7 rotation without all the extra sound production work a 'show' takes, not that my shows will include chatter...just a lot of extra sound editing) are essentially the same as a podcast, I'd just need to set up a rss feed and make them downloadable (not going to happen because of the copyrighted material and the extra hoops I have to jump through to get agreement from the smaller record labels to allow me to broadcast without paying royalties...there are specific requirements, such as be a continuous stream, etc so people can't easily copy tracks to their computer [as we all know isn't true...but it makes it much less likely for 99% of my listenership which is enough for the record labels).
I'll stick to streams for now, I spend entirely too much time on my computer anyway and shoutcast/icecast streams have worked great for me. Maybe a timeshifting tool for streams would be good for podders/listeners too, but I'm just waiting until wifi gets serious enough that we can leave all this nonsense behind and really take advantage of the technology. XM radio is a nice idea, but how is it better then having a shoutcast ready stereo (or live365 or whatever)? THAT would be what I'd like to see. Anyone with the will and a computer can cast and the music industry has a lock on the 'public' airwaves and is ignoring 95% of the artists. The public won't stand for this one way or the other.
Live365? I have to admit for a full fledged tech geek the pod-cast revolution has slipped right past me. Whats the difference between a podcast and a regular shoutcast/icecast/etc stream? Is it just that it downloads itself to a proprietary piece of hardware or is there really something different?
I ask this as someone about a month away from launching a full-fledged 24/7 net radio site.
I mean is it really as simple as the fact that the radio shows are pre-packaged and can be listened to at the users discretion? Indieradio.org used to have guest DJ's upload 60 minute spots, is that basically (assuming it was made downloadable) what a 'podcast' is?
The post right above your's addresses this exact issue. Diff is a pretty simply utillity and this would be a great idea if they were sending small patches. But Apple of dropping HUGE files and only periodically. Not only that but (if you read the article) their changes make calls to the OS X api's. Let see you diff that! :)
Its not the end of the world, but obviously Zack Rusin got tired of being called lazy or some other intollerable (read: typical) OSS user crap while Apple is snowballing their changes (but playing it like their all one big KDE/Apple family...because that makes us feel more warm and chewy about Apple).
Zack does mention that they are staying true to the letter of the LGPL license, so its not an 'at arms' issue. Just an issue he felt needed some clearing up.
David Saxton put a copy of his blog entry up if you'd like to read it: here.
All and all a good story. I'd been thinking that Apple was playing all kittenish too. Lol. But its business.
Now maybe MAPS has put the last nail in its own coffin. In the beginning I could see the reasoning (no better solution) but as time has passed so has their usefulness, and honestly their integrity (if they ever had any, I didn't follow it that closely).
Perhaps this is the most blantent display we've seen but does it make it any better when it happens in the back rooms of the DNC?
I think that exactly the point. Brazen. Sure this kind of thing happens in back room discussions all the time, I'd even go so far as to say that is American. I'm no silly idealist. But this administration is setting some dangerous precedents by showing that they believe it is ok to use outright intimidation tactics based on religion, politics, environmental science, etc.
In the past I'm sure both parties have resorted to such low tactics, but it would have been unthinkable to do it so publically.
Meanwhile we still beat our own gong about America the beautiful and the pride of the free. How is that Nokia employee free if he can't participate in an industry meeting based on political contributions he made?
And I agree with you about the third party system, I voted Nader. But unfortunately like the democrate alarmists were saying all along I may as well have been voting for Bush myself.
I suppose these issues can't be that new (after all we've had a two party system for quite some time) but when I start to see things like this happening in 'daylight' it simply doesn't line up with my American indoctrination all through grade-school (and well beyond).
Thats why I call it un-American. We pride ourselves on things, our system on things. I've never hear anything about it being American to dictate who goes to a industry meeting based on their support of lack of support for a political party. That smacks of something we'd hear about in a petty dictatorship as we sat smugly in our seats and thought about how good it was to be an American where we didn't have to suffer these kinds in injustices.
But thats just logistical semantics. Their choosing who attends based on party politics. They can't have voter records (at least not let it slip out publically) so they do the next best thing.
Why (in this instance) shouldn't this be directly tied to voting confidentiality? I mean I see your argument and I'm sure its the exact same one they'll use if this comes up, but its a facade. Their using personal politics *against* people. Thats not even remotely American and it goes against everything we've based our system on.
Isn't this just a barely hidden way to use confidential voter information to discriminate against people who supported a different party?
This administration has done some petty, dangerous and even flat-out weird things. But this sounds like a legal scandal in the waiting. I mean frankly, it sounds outright un-American.
Well worded. There certainly is enough room for all out tastes.
Just out of curiosity, why not Mandrake? I've been using it for years and of all the 'RPM' based distro's I've used its always been the one that made RPM actually work.
Its obvious from your second paragraph you've used Mandrake (urpmi). I always thought of Mandrake as fairly bleeding edge (especially when you add PLF and THACS to your repository list).
I thought the 2.4 series was supposed to be the stable series? Is all this complaining really about use a 'bleeding edge' kernel?
And there have never been a shotage of technical people in the warez/tunez scenes. Let the sell their bandaid, I'm sure they could use a buck or two.
But serious threat? No, just a request for a minor change in the model (or all BS marketing).
Its all semantics.
The fact of the matter Yellow Tab is blowing it by not making a live/demo/whatever version available.
I suspect the reason for this would be lack of hardware support, but either way it bodes poorly for Zeta.
Not only are they succeeding in limiting buzz to Beos community members but their discouraging developers from taking an interest too.
They need to do so marketing and get some community support/interest outside of the current in-breeding. I think its a damn shame.
You can get test version of Windows. We used Windows 2000 server disks that were timelimited at school.
Anyway, you know with the ubiquity your point is more philosophical then logical.
And I should have said Yellow Tab, their release is called Zeta.
Have you tried it?
Lol.
Fair enough.
They talked a lot about it in Revolution OS, but I couldn't remember all the details, so I plugged in the first website I could find.
But its also important to note that the two terms sprang from the same pool.
Open source is a term coined by Erik Raymond a figure a nearly as ubiquitous as RMS himself in the GPL/Linux/etc community.
Here's a teaser for those of you to busy (or lazy) to read the linked article yourself: Anyway, as I said I see your point. But its the kind of finer points that gets RMS in so much trouble. Its all a part of the big bazaar 'family' the GPL is largely responsible for creating. To you and me GLP != BSD (that goes pretty much with no arguments from either camps) but of course both are more broadly Open Source (so again, your points stand). But to try to get the media to stick to such a fine detail? Not likely. Even the ones that understand the difference have to take their readership into account. Open Source sounds better and is easier to digest for you average person...so you and RMS might be feeling a little (understandably) frustrated...but its the world we live in.
On the flip-side the mixed up semantics does nothing to truly take away from the work of RMS and the GPL and have probably helped it more then he'll ever be willing to admit. It provides a digestible entree into a complicated world of legal talk and high-minded ideals. And it does this while allowing the ideas to play "nice" with other licenses (in the long-run: providing more exposure).
Maybe its been updated more recently, but I've never even got it to install properly. I love different OS'es and the first thing I did when I heard about Zeta making a commercial (and polished) release of the BeOS I went immediately to their website.
Aside from the install issues I've had, is it just me or is the idea of playing money for a OS you cant test out first crazy? I mean *if* I had paid good money for the (beta 3 I believe at the time) and it didn't work I'd be pretty pissed.
I think its an interesting idea and some die-hard BeOS fans are happy about it, but their business models sucks. Make a live disk or something...
Personally I'd rather throw my money away on the Internet Urinal or something with tangible benefits. Zeta looks like an overpriced novelty (and I'm NOT saying it is, but from where I'm standing its hard to get a good look at it).
As a side note: how is this news? Zeta's been around for years now hasn't it? I mean if they'd finally released a demo THAT would be news. This is just free advertising for a dodgy products targeted apparently at die-hard BeOS fans (who would probably be using something like BeOS Max anyway).
Go figure. Wake me up when they have a demo copy I can test out on my system.
Love the updated notice? Slashdot, you care to update yours to refelect this minor detail or do you just like playing along?
OK, I do speak english and that should have said build. I have not excuse!
Beautiful CSS. www.csszengarden.com
I mean honestly, there comes a point..
AC, you miss the forest for the trees. Its *not* about supporting every single platform, that would simply be stupid.
What it is about is the lowest common denominator. Like it or (in your case maybe) not, thats what standards are for.
They push the resonsibility back on the software developers and we all know some try harder then others to play nicely.
And I'm sure your painfully aware: you can augment your W3C compiant code (hey, its the best you should be expected to do) with and IE specific hack if need be. As in: A rather random example of something I'm sure you already know.
A good example would be something along the lines of this (a response from an actual discussion I took part in, the funny thing was I wasn't trying to tell anyone anything about the W3C or the importance of standards, I just asked a question about a script that was acting strange in Firefox, my current platform of choice): Admittedly this is an extreme example, but I believe it is representative of a broader belief that might makes right. Firefox/Mozilla/Opera/Safari are still a relatively small ripple and there are some stodgy people out there who at best, simply don't care if their code works on a minority browser.
Until it hits their pocket-books thats not going to change. The pressure needs to be put on businesses so that when say Bank AAA gets a site built that can't/doesn't support your browser (because of non-standard code created by people either too stubborn or too lazy to spend the extra 3 seconds to create/read about browser-friendly code) they hear about it. Maybe even lose some customers.
Then our friendly web-developer can come back and learn how to fix his/her code. If that happens enough they'll get tired of doing it the old way and maybe play nice from the get-go.
FTR, the code we were discussing in the the above quoted passaged did get fixed, by me and I have about 2 weeks of javascript programming under my belt (and if your wondering about the preceding conversation, no, I wasn't impolite or anything like that, I'm too old to pull that kind of crap).
I've said this a million times:
Look at www.kde-look.org. Theres listening, in the haphazard sort of way (thats OLD school OSS, and its fine) and there's listening in the WE REALLY WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT way.
I think Gnome has continued to push old-school. If anything, it went from a slightly standard GUI/DE very similar to KDE/Explorer/ETC and started trying to do things differently.
Of course the catch is most of us don't want to relearn how to use something as basic as a desktop.
Your (not necessarily *you*) new save dialog is a good example of this. Its user encumbering. And this seems to be a trend.
Any way, my intention isn't to be insulting so I'm sorry if you feel that I am. I'm just making a slightly frustrated observation.
It wouldn't be an issue at all if some many good applications weren't tied directly to the toolset (same I'm sure with Gnome users and KDE/QT programs). But the fact is because I like a number of "Gnome" programs I'm stuck using an interface which I literally hate.