According to the granparent commen, what's 'right' for one person is seperate from what's 'right' for another person. I thought we were saying "it's all relative, dood."
To be 'civil disobedience' downloading of music would have to involve public, open, defiant downloading, with the expectation of being arrested, to be an example and force the change of the law. That's how 'civil disobedience' works, for those who've never studied it. I haven't yet heard of an example of this. Most music downloaders are simply being thuggish.
You can make all kinds of speculations about wether they would arrest you or not, but you need to show some examples of significant numbers of regular people being arrested for singing a song for their own amusement. I suspect you won't be able to cite a single instance. Don't forget that it should be an instance that regular people can relate to, not someone 'busted' for singing covers on a stage.
So, you can all go downtown with picket signs and shake your fist at a building somewhere when your ISP throws you offline.
All 35 demonstrators in each metropolitan area will be lucky if you make the news in 10% of the news market, ya know. Nobody else will show up for the rally. They're all downloading free tunes because they're cheap and lazy, ya know....
No. It will just become illegal to distribute said code. Furthermore, if SCO gets the legal standing they're after, it will be a violation of the GPL for said code to continue to be part of the work. The FSF doesn't want their code base corrupted, ya know.
No, you're wrong. An artist can not exert that kind of a control over their work. They would have to trespass to break into my house and hear me singing the song in the shower.
Furthermore, they'd be laughed out of court.
Don't make such ridiculous assertions. You risk your credibility in doing so.
Cool. We can all listen to the marvelous 'techno' music downloadable for free on mp3.com. I think my nephew has some there. We're subjected to it every time we visit. For a few minutes.
BTW, you're full of shit regarding 'intellectual property being a total fiction of law.' But it's not worth arguing if you're lame enough to make such an absurd assertion. We'll just let you play in the street and hope the mess when that copyright lawyer's SUV hits you doesn't make too big a mark on the pavement.
You just said 'Fuck You' to the FSF and the GPL, by the way, though you'll not understand....
You should get 'I am waiting for the singularity' tattoed on your abdomen right now, dude, so when the attendant in the old folks home is changing your diaper, s/he has something more than your sagging paunch to laugh at.
I don't believe it is immoral to break an unjust law.
However, society decides which laws are just and unjust. You'd better get convincing society. And that's not just you and your subculture of nihilistic twerps.
I hope you don't run into someone with a different value system than yours and a trench knife the next time you're on your way to your car from the night club from a night of dancing. You'll be shit out of luck. You listened to some cool music for free while you were alive, though.
I think what he's getting at is in the fairyland where this 'automobile copying system' exists, the single original automobile could be hand crafted by skilled artisans the way a Steinway Piano is made.
It's such a stupid idea, this 'automobile copying system' that we've probably wasted enough time dwelling on it. We're nerds, tho, eh?
Sadly, we can only duplicate recorded performances of artists performing 'beautiful works.'
And sadly, the studio time to record said artist's performances is not free, nor does food magically appear in said artist's kitchen each evening when s/he is asleep.
It's really annoying when people get all philosophical and abstract about their right to the labor of others.
If the task so easy that a bunch of full time civil-service-duff programmers could be thrown together and code a replacement for Autocad (and let's be real- that wasn't necessarily the program I had in mind....), it would have already happened. Someone would have already done it and put Autodesk out of business. I think the market has proven it won't happen.
It's typical to think 'we can just throw gummint money at the problem....' but that doesn't make it so.
I can remember a time when they'd stand out in front of a Sherman Tank with their Amiga, because it was so big-n-tuff-n-powerful that it would NEVER be run over.
Furthermore, I'm starting to figure out the how and why of the more rabid subsection of the 'Linux community' on Slashdot. I've wondered for some time about the irrational hate and rabid attitudes. It's the former Amiga zealots who've shown up (apparently in about 1996) who've ruined it.
Can't you guy find somewhere else to take your attitude. Linux used to be cool, and about tech.
Name one thing that propriatory software does that free software does not besides interoperate with propriatory software.
You've clearly never worked in an engineering field. Sure, as long as you're just wanting to browse the web, and edit some light duty documents in a word processor, your claims are probably true.
We're in a shitload of trouble if some bureaucrat makes the 'feel-good' decision that all civil engineers have to start solely using XFig for their drawings.
They testify that releasing the code to their competitors would constitute a clear and present danger to national security then give the source 3 months later to a communist country.
So you're advocating a 'security through obscurity' process? It puts the software at risk when the source code is 'given' to a communist country? What were you meaning to imply in the above?
The fact of the matter is, whenever the government spends money, they tax it out of the private economy and skim off some for the kind of parasites that grows on slow moving things like governments.
No, there are a few other things that TAR is capable of. I used to use it with a QIC drive to do backups under Linux. Back before the days of affordable CDR media I used TAR tapes to maintain my archives of software. I still have CDR disks with Tape1, Tape2, etc. main directories mirroring the tapes they were streamed off of.
If you're going to start pulling in other chips, you need to do the same with Intel. And all the other vendors. And then Motorola is gonna be involved, too, and probably will win the compeition. Especially if the count is limited to microprocessors and microcontrollers. There are a hell of a lot of 6805 chips out there. Multiples of them in every automobile. And there's a PIC chip in most mice. etc. etc. etc.
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Hello, segregation. Hello, prohibition.
So, you're still living in the 1950's, I see. Most of the rest of us have moved on. Tell us exactly what it is you don't like about the popular vote.
According to the granparent commen, what's 'right' for one person is seperate from what's 'right' for another person. I thought we were saying "it's all relative, dood."
To be 'civil disobedience' downloading of music would have to involve public, open, defiant downloading, with the expectation of being arrested, to be an example and force the change of the law. That's how 'civil disobedience' works, for those who've never studied it. I haven't yet heard of an example of this. Most music downloaders are simply being thuggish.
You can make all kinds of speculations about wether they would arrest you or not, but you need to show some examples of significant numbers of regular people being arrested for singing a song for their own amusement. I suspect you won't be able to cite a single instance. Don't forget that it should be an instance that regular people can relate to, not someone 'busted' for singing covers on a stage.
So, you can all go downtown with picket signs and shake your fist at a building somewhere when your ISP throws you offline.
All 35 demonstrators in each metropolitan area will be lucky if you make the news in 10% of the news market, ya know. Nobody else will show up for the rally. They're all downloading free tunes because they're cheap and lazy, ya know....
No. It will just become illegal to distribute said code. Furthermore, if SCO gets the legal standing they're after, it will be a violation of the GPL for said code to continue to be part of the work. The FSF doesn't want their code base corrupted, ya know.
No, you're wrong. An artist can not exert that kind of a control over their work. They would have to trespass to break into my house and hear me singing the song in the shower.
Furthermore, they'd be laughed out of court.
Don't make such ridiculous assertions. You risk your credibility in doing so.
Cool. We can all listen to the marvelous 'techno' music downloadable for free on mp3.com. I think my nephew has some there. We're subjected to it every time we visit. For a few minutes.
BTW, you're full of shit regarding 'intellectual property being a total fiction of law.' But it's not worth arguing if you're lame enough to make such an absurd assertion. We'll just let you play in the street and hope the mess when that copyright lawyer's SUV hits you doesn't make too big a mark on the pavement.
You just said 'Fuck You' to the FSF and the GPL, by the way, though you'll not understand....
You should get 'I am waiting for the singularity' tattoed on your abdomen right now, dude, so when the attendant in the old folks home is changing your diaper, s/he has something more than your sagging paunch to laugh at.
A similar problem to the GPL actually.
Clearly you haven't read the word of ESR, dude.
And if you try, and Raymond still doesn't make any fucking sense, try sniffing some glue. That usually helps.
I don't believe it is immoral to break an unjust law.
However, society decides which laws are just and unjust. You'd better get convincing society. And that's not just you and your subculture of nihilistic twerps.
I hope you don't run into someone with a different value system than yours and a trench knife the next time you're on your way to your car from the night club from a night of dancing. You'll be shit out of luck. You listened to some cool music for free while you were alive, though.
It's time for someone to wander into the thread and start ranting about the risks of a 'monoculture' of all cars exactly alike.
I think what he's getting at is in the fairyland where this 'automobile copying system' exists, the single original automobile could be hand crafted by skilled artisans the way a Steinway Piano is made.
It's such a stupid idea, this 'automobile copying system' that we've probably wasted enough time dwelling on it. We're nerds, tho, eh?
Sadly, we can only duplicate recorded performances of artists performing 'beautiful works.'
And sadly, the studio time to record said artist's performances is not free, nor does food magically appear in said artist's kitchen each evening when s/he is asleep.
It's really annoying when people get all philosophical and abstract about their right to the labor of others.
That loot comes off a money tree, and it's delivered each morning by elves.
It is a zero-sum deal, and when scofflaws take advantage of it, we all pay more.
If the task so easy that a bunch of full time civil-service-duff programmers could be thrown together and code a replacement for Autocad (and let's be real- that wasn't necessarily the program I had in mind....), it would have already happened. Someone would have already done it and put Autodesk out of business. I think the market has proven it won't happen.
It's typical to think 'we can just throw gummint money at the problem....' but that doesn't make it so.
That's just the way Amiga zealots think.
I can remember a time when they'd stand out in front of a Sherman Tank with their Amiga, because it was so big-n-tuff-n-powerful that it would NEVER be run over.
Furthermore, I'm starting to figure out the how and why of the more rabid subsection of the 'Linux community' on Slashdot. I've wondered for some time about the irrational hate and rabid attitudes. It's the former Amiga zealots who've shown up (apparently in about 1996) who've ruined it.
Can't you guy find somewhere else to take your attitude. Linux used to be cool, and about tech.
No, that was under KDE. Under GNOME it takes 48 minutes to load. Even with FVWM2 it takes 16 minutes.
Name one thing that propriatory software does that free software does not besides interoperate with propriatory software.
You've clearly never worked in an engineering field. Sure, as long as you're just wanting to browse the web, and edit some light duty documents in a word processor, your claims are probably true.
We're in a shitload of trouble if some bureaucrat makes the 'feel-good' decision that all civil engineers have to start solely using XFig for their drawings.
Since when is Corel Office an open standard?
Or were you just engaging in an anything-but-Microsoft rant.
They testify that releasing the code to their competitors would constitute a clear and present danger to national security then give the source 3 months later to a communist country.
So you're advocating a 'security through obscurity' process? It puts the software at risk when the source code is 'given' to a communist country? What were you meaning to imply in the above?
The fact of the matter is, whenever the government spends money, they tax it out of the private economy and skim off some for the kind of parasites that grows on slow moving things like governments.
No, there are a few other things that TAR is capable of. I used to use it with a QIC drive to do backups under Linux. Back before the days of affordable CDR media I used TAR tapes to maintain my archives of software. I still have CDR disks with Tape1, Tape2, etc. main directories mirroring the tapes they were streamed off of.
All I know is I paid about $600 for the first 486DX-33 chip that I ever owned. And that was a good price at the time. The motherboard was extra, too.
If you're going to start pulling in other chips, you need to do the same with Intel. And all the other vendors. And then Motorola is gonna be involved, too, and probably will win the compeition. Especially if the count is limited to microprocessors and microcontrollers. There are a hell of a lot of 6805 chips out there. Multiples of them in every automobile. And there's a PIC chip in most mice. etc. etc. etc.
Siemens produced a lot of early Intel x86 processors, too.
Where the hell are the Siemens Fanboys when we need them?